• 'moshiach' does not tarry, saying so is basically 'evil speech'

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 17 20:57:40 2024
    title: When the Heck Does the Jewish Messiah Arrive?
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e6cX4blIA0
    source: Kabbalah Secret

    Comment:


    When will the Jewish people *repent* from the *prozbul.*

    By the way, speaking about slander: I feel that, quote: “I believe with complete faith in the coming of Mashiach. *Though he tarry,* nonetheless
    I await him every day, that he will come.”, this is slander. Klal
    Yisroel are accusing 'moshiach' of _tarrying_ even though there is no
    source for it.

    There is a thing which says "wait for it", and there is a thing which says
    "in its time I will hurry him", if I recall. However this does not mean
    that the moshiach is tarrying, but people blame the moshiach for tarrying
    every day all the time, because klal Yisroel repeat this prayer non stop.

    Let's say there is a tree, and it gives fruit in autumn, as is normal at
    least in our area. Will you kick the tree if there is no fruit in early
    spring yet, will it upset you, the tree is tarrying, it's a lazy tree
    ? I hope not. If the tree gives fruit early in the autumn, sooner than
    the other trees, that makes it a fast tree. In its time, it hurried,
    but you have to wait for it. The tree was not tarrying, but you have to
    wait for it, and it was hurried, this can all be true at the same time,
    even regarding a tree. Right ?

    What source in the Tanach is there that moshiach will tarry, what source anywhere even. It says "will hurry", so the moshiach is hurried, and
    that's all we know. People say "he tarry" or "he may tarry". This is
    Loshon Hara, because the Redemption is the end of so much violence, and
    then they put it on the moshiach that _he_ is to blame for the violence
    to continue. Not Israel is to blame, despite all what we know from the prophets, but no, let's blame moshiach.

    This has consequences, and you already see it happening. People start
    to literally _blame_ moshiach, I read things like: _moshiach takes its
    sweet time,_ and all like that, it became a joke already. This has in
    my view been created by this phony prayer, which was created in the
    exile and I don't know any source in the Tanach for it. Loshon Hara,
    evil speech, this is how people are greeting their moshiach !

    Well, not only, there is also a lot of love of course, but you know,
    truth is truth. Blaming 'moshiach' for tarrying can cause damage to the Redemption, because once you blame the 'moshiach' while it was your own
    fault it took this long, and bad things happen like the second holocaust, people start blaming the 'moshiach' _"he was just feeling like tarrying
    while we where dying"_ and this can lead to demoralization and anger,
    turning away from the Torah. Right ?

    You should have structured the prayer not in a form of Loshon Hara
    (evil speech), but say something like Israel is failing the Torah and
    that delays the Redemption. Children will read and repeat that, and
    it gives them a reason to do the Torah. Sorry to go on about it. You
    can kind of make a reverse logic about it all: 'moshiach' is then
    'the camp' but everyone the entire klal Yisroel, is exiled from that
    camp for Loshon Hara, and that makes the 'moshiach' be all alone. Well,
    it's a random thought. Have a good day ! I know you didn't make up that
    prayer mentioned above, it's not your fault.

    There is also an effect that when _everyone_ is wrong, and one person
    points it out by saying the truth, he is the one creating division. If
    creating division is bad, then you are guilty of causing trouble ? By the
    way, I didn't hear you talk about that 'moshiach' is hurt for the sins
    of Israel, specifically, and that this damage healed Israel ? Doesn't
    that mean that the leprosy / sickness of the moshiach, is really the
    Loshon Hora of the Jewish people, if that is what causes this illness
    ? That he is carrying the damage ?

    I could see it this way, that if 'moshiach' is hurt and sitting alone,
    he has a lot of time to think about things, and may come to some truths
    which have been forgotten, even though that was the job of Israel to do themselves, but they did not ? So you have then a real (not magical)
    meaning to this: hurt becomes wisdom, wisdom Redeems Israel ? I like
    that at least a lot better than the stories of the western idolators,
    who seem to make absolutely zero sense to me. Sorry for rambling on like
    this ;-). Have a good day.

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