El domingo, 28 de noviembre de 1999, 9:00:00 (UTC+1), PYRSOS escribió:
Albasoul wrote in message <3840C7E0.879BB3EF@home.com>...
Hey!
Albanians don't need another NATIONAL HERO because we already have one, >GJERGJ KASTRIOT - SKENDERBEU. This guy was is still is a myth because
the world has not seen such a warrior, not now not ever.
Skanderberg was indeed a brave warrior, but his Albanian descendants are gutless cowards. More than 2/3 of Albanians converted to Islam after the Ottoman conquest and adopted the ways of the Muslim Turks and as a result, intermarried with them excessively, thus creating a mongrelized race which
is more Turkic in character than Illyrian.
The modern Albanians who I repeat have very little in common with the now extinct Illyrians, have never won a war on their own. They sided with the Italians in WW2 and they both lost by the Greeks. Half a century later,
those "brave" Albanians (Albo-Turks to be more accurate) were having their asses kicked in Kossovo by the Serbs and were saved from extinction at the 11th hour by NATO! Always hiding under someone else's skirt.....
I shit on your coward race of pigs. The only thing you are good at is murdering, looting, stealing, raping, destroying and vandalizing. Albanians are the scum of the earth.
PYRSOS
He fought the ottomans for 25 years and not with an army of some hundried >thousands as Alexander did, but only with 5000 fighter. Not to mention that the
ottoman army had some 150 000 fighters and tried to envade Arberia(modern >Albania)
not once but two times. Sulltan Murat himself vowed to kill our HERO himself,
but he
had to die in despair because of the defeat he faced, and not only him, but his
son
MEHMET as well.
Only after 25 years of resistence Skenderbeu died and not by a sword but by a
natural
causes. Ten years after his death, the ottomans envaded Arberia, and killed most
of the
men, and taking every single child to Istanbul.
Where wer the greeks, serbs, bullgars at the time?
No where to be seen!
When you talk about HEROS in that part of the world, don't go any further >because
all the HEORES had some Albanian Blood in their veins.
Keep that in mind!
As for Alexander the Great, Greece like to call him GREEK, because they are so
ashamed
of the truth that GREEKS HAVE NO NATIONAL HERO!
NONE WHATSOEVER!
If Alexander the great was greek, why he had to fight to unite the greeks and
rule them like
any other nation? WHY?
GREEKS ARE GOOD AT ONLY ONE THING, LYING!
NEVER TRUST A GREEK!
and that's what really counts.
PYRSOS wrote:
Now not only the Bulgarians are claiming a piece of Greek glory but the
Albo-Turks too!
"Similar problems arise regarding the the peoples of ancient Epirus, now >> divided between Greece and Albania. Against a widespread view that that they
{Epirotes} spoke a form of Greek the Albanians argue that the Epirotes were
one with the rest of the Illyrians."
John Wilkes, "The Illyrians", Blacwell Publications, Cambridge, 1992
The author does not include Epirus as part of Illyria anywhere in his
book
and clearly says that the rest of the historians consider the Epeirots as >> Greeks with the exception of the Albanian "historians".
Now, let's see other views.
"Epirus was a land of milk and animal products...The social unit was a small
tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these
tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large >> tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and
Chaonians...We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes >> were speaking the Greek language (in a West-Greek dialect)."
NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Duckworth, London, 1994
"Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias,
came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus."
David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995
"Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but
in
the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and
Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians
spoke a
dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their
territory, they were essentially Greeks."
Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", Penguin >> Publ., 1996
"The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most
easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like
Macedonia
but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their
monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, >> suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in >> principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to
tackle
the Illyrian problem at its roots."
Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California University Press, >> 1990.
"The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the
northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia...."
Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge
University Press, 1997
Both Alexander's parents were ethnic Greeks you laughable Albanian clown! >> The evidence is overwhelming.
PYRSOS
Albasoul wrote in message <3840A4FF.F8873C77@home.com>...
Leka i Madh
Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide >> >
as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states
in the
opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander
certainly
had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia) >> >Illyrian, i.e.
Albanian, blood!"*
During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the
publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the
following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about >> >
Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:
"There was at that time two capitals of the united kingdom of
Macedonia.
There was Pela, between Salonika and Manastir, and there was
Emadhija**,
the old capital, lying in the valley which is now Mati (a high,
fertile plateau
north of Shkodra, near the coast of northern Albania - ED).
"Alexander's father, Filip the Second had great houses in both Pela and >> >
Emadhija, and before Lec i Madhe was born, his mother left Pela and
came back to the original capital, Emadhija. It was there that Lec i
Madhe
was born, and there he lived until he was out of the cradle and rode
on a
horse when he first went down into Pela to see his father who came
from
the city to meet and see his son for the first time.
"Filip the Second was very proud of his son, and his pride led him to
the one great foolishness of a good and wise king. He said
that he would make Lec i Madhe king of the world, and that was well
enough, but he thought to be king of the world a man must be more
learned than he himself. Whereas all old men who have watched the
ways of the world know that to be strong and ruthless will make a man >> > powerful, but to be learned makes a man full of dreams and
hesitations.
"In his pride and blindness, Filip the Second sent to Greece for an
Albanian who had learned the ways of the ancien Greeks,
and to that man he gave the boy, to be taught books. (The Albanian's)
name was Aristotle, and he came from a family of the
tribe of Ajeropi, his father having gone to a village in Macedonia and >> > became a merchant there. Being rich, he sent his son, who
was fond of thought rather than of action, to learn the ancient Greek
ways of thinking. And it was this man who was brought by
Filip the Second to teach his son."***
P 1, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, W.W. Tarn, Beacon Press, Boston, 1956
"Emadhija" means in Albanian "the great city"
PP 184, 186, 187, PEAKS OF SHALA, Rose Wilder Lane.Harper Brothers &
Publishers, New York & London, 1923
Other nationalities , of course, have long laid claim to Alexander the >> > Great as one of their own - most notably the Macedonians and the
Greeks.
However, as cited so authoritatively in the opening paragraph of
Tarn's book,
Alexander the Great can be rightfully identified as an Albanian.
2/3 of Albanians converted to islam in Albania. 100% of Albanians in the newly formed greek state from the romantics of the renaissance converted to greek. did they do so just to be safe from Osman oppression? maybe, but that does not give them the
right to claim that they are a different seed from the past.
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