• Vukovar and "the International Community"

    From gjurkica@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 08:53:24 2017
    To all interested in Vukovar bloodbath: inhuman horrors Serbs made in Vukovar - I am not talking about all Serbs, because many Serbs were defending Vukovar from attackers and were later treated horribly by Serbs - you won't find in Haag, because people
    who survived this horrors and were willing to testify what Serbs were really doing to citizens - were killed on their way to Haag by secret police. "Traffic accident", "suicide" - anything to shut eyes that saw and lips willing to speak. I'll just say:
    ritual sacrifice of innocent people in black mass made to satisfy Satan's dirtiest desires can't be that disgustingly vile. Imagine worst you've seen by now and multiply it many times to reach the level of EVIL done on Vukovar people. Compared to this
    Serbs Vlad Drakul is a little baby.

    I know all that firsthand.

    P.S.
    How can some small percentage of people of some minority be excuse for massacring majority?! Only in sick heads. Especially because Serbs from Croatia lived BETTER before war - they lived better then Croats in Croatia, because Serbs were privileged caste
    in Croatia. Every single accusation is proven serbian war propaganda (read "Operation Opera", or instructions to Serbian people "How to Lie" named "Memorandum 1 and 2 etc). Since Serbia is made in Berlin in 1878 it constantly makes wars including WW1 and
    WW2 without intention to stop. As two of Serbian presidents openly stated: "Whatever we gained, we got it on plane LIES". Wars for exterminating Croats, Bosnians, Albanians etc. was 100 % made in SANU (Serbian Academy of Science and Art) whose "academics"
    were creating LIES and FORGERIES that were spread by media, books, speaces etc. around Serbia and whole world. Westerners still can't believe that one whole nation can unanimously LIE about everything, but Serbs are doing just that: from Serbian
    President to the last retard. Serbs are extremely PROUD of their ability to LIE and to twist facts in order to accuse their victims for their crimes. Since 1991. Serbs shout: "Help! Croats/Bosnians/Albanians are attacking us!" while they attack innocent
    helpless and - thanks to their godfathers British royals and NATO - unarmed victims.

    Again: there's a lot of good Serbs. Extremely good Serbs. Great, honest, truth-loving Serbs. Good to the core. But infectious sickness called Greater Serbia somehow sticks on some of them and turn them into ravaging monsters, and those evil ones are
    protected by world powers.

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  • From gjurkica@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Mir Harven on Sun Oct 8 08:55:12 2017
    On Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 3:43:41 PM UTC+2, Mir Harven wrote:
    http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020811-24444994.htm

    quoted without permission

    August 11, 2002

    U.N. intervention too late

    By Georgie Anne Geyer

    SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES



    VUKOVAR, Croatia — The exquisite old baroque Danubian city of
    Vukovar seemed almost too perfect for the neighborhood.
    It developed centuries ago in a very unusual and delicate manner
    for a small city in the Balkans, when traders from the north of Europe
    plied the Danube River southward, carrying not only goods to trade on
    these unknown peripheries of Europe but carrying the refined music of "Europe," its arts and architecture to the "wild" southern Serbs.
    Vukovar was an outpost — a plains' Salzburg, a little Prague, a
    faraway Tallinn. Even two centuries ago, its exquisite Baroque streets
    were lined with the best shops, with an impressive opera house and
    with a legendary hotel acclaimed across a Europe that always sniffed
    at "the Balkans."
    In fact, Vukovar was too perfect for the Balkans — and when the
    Serbs turned away from the other cities they had left in ruins after
    the first four months of the war they began in June 1991, they turned
    on this lovely Croatian Roman Catholic city with a special destructive vehemence.
    It was the same vengeance they would wreak on Bosnian Muslim
    Sarajevo, another Balkans jewel that, to them, didn't "belong." It was
    the special vengeance of the mountain people of the Dinaric Alps,
    united under Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic against the
    cultured and tolerant "European" elites of the valleys and plains.
    Later, historians would define Vukovar that terrible fall as
    "Croatia's Stalingrad." The pattern of attack on the Danubian prize
    was the common one that the Serbs had been employing in their march
    across Bosnia and Croatia and their unsuccessful attempt to take
    Slovenia at the beginning of the war.
    The Yugoslav army provided the heavy weapons and infantry support
    to local Serb paramilitaries and the local Serbs, almost all of whom immediately turned on their neighbors in what they now grotesquely
    called "self-cleaning."
    The horrors seemed to grow as the Serbs took town after town,
    with no resistance from the unarmed and terrified local populations —
    and surely with hardly an outcry from the world, whose representative spokesmen were flocking sheepishly to conference after conference,
    begging the Serbs to tell them what they really wanted in order to
    stop fighting — and saying over and over in world forums that the Serb forces were too strong for them to fight.
    In Vukovar, the Serbs offered safe transit to hundreds of Croats
    who had, in their terror, taken refuge in a hospital. When on Nov. 9,
    1991, the Yugoslav army entered the hospital (after promising U.N. representatives that they would not) and the Croats emerged, almost
    all were murdered or taken away to be executed in quonset huts that
    still stand today.
    But this is a story about another fall day in Vukovar, this one
    eight years later in 1999. This story carries the entire saga of international governance still a step further, to the morning after
    and to what happens to an already victimized people once the war is
    over and they supposedly had been "saved."
    That beautiful fall day, a small group of foreign journalists had
    been driven by bus to the former museum building of Vukovar, courtesy
    of the office of the late Croatian President Franjo Tudjman.
    Five local officials, four men and one woman, sat at a long
    table in a lovely salon of the museum, which was itself filled with
    photos of the diabolical destruction of the town that lay in the snow
    just outside the windows.
    "In 1997, the Croatian government adopted a national
    reconciliation program," began Vladimir Stengl, a handsome,
    grey-haired man with a perpetually sorrowful look who was Vukovar's
    Croatian mayor, "and its main task is to establish trust and
    confidence."
    But soon the journalists' questions turned to talk of justice for
    the thousands of victims there, many of them still buried in
    undiscovered mass graves; and at this point, the mayor added sadly, "Unfortunately, the butchers of Vukovar are walking free on the
    streets of Yugoslavia — [Bosnian Serb military commander Ratko]
    Mladic, [Bosnian Serb political leader Radovan] Karadjic — because
    they are out of our control and the international community is unable
    to arrest them."
    The leading Serb official at the table, Milos Voinovich, a little
    man with darting black eyes, immediately and coldly objected to the discourse. He did not want any words like "butchers" or "war
    criminals" to be used.
    "I am a lawyer," he proclaimed to the group, "a member of the judiciary. That is why I avoid using such words. This must be proven
    by a court."
    Since in the ferocity of the siege, more explosive devices fell
    on Vukovar in three months than during the entire Second World War —
    and since so many of the defenders of the historic city were young
    boys and girls, who fought as young people do, heroically — most of
    the city lay by then in shards and pieces. But one plot of land was
    spanking clean and neat: the Serb cemetery built by the attackers for
    their fallen. The monuments of marble graves have atop them, in stone,
    the hats of the hated World War II Serb Chetnik fighters.
    But despite the Serb destruction and despite the fact that the
    Serbs blew up a group of Croat houses to build the cemetery, the
    Croats, who won the area back in 1995, were not permitted to remove
    the monuments.
    In that same spirit, the Serbs changed the name of one of
    Vukovar's lovely old avenues from the name of a Croatian leader to the
    name of his assassin. That could not be changed, either, because the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe declared it could
    not. The OSCE had immediately decreed that nothing should be changed
    for at least five years because it would hurt the Serbs' pride and
    might damage the reconciliation process they so insisted upon.
    Later, back in Zagreb, I discovered that one of the reasons for
    the considerable tension that bleak day in the museum was because the
    Serb official so offended by talk of "war criminals" was indeed a
    lawyer. In fact, he was the head of the Supreme Court in Vukovar, and
    it was he, during the siege, who was first in charge of choosing those
    to be taken to concentration camps and those to be killed.
    The international organizations would not even allow the Croats
    to look for the lost bodies of those still-missing young men and women
    — that would set back the process of "reconciliation" because telling
    the truth about the war would "remind the Serbs of the war" and make
    them more recalcitrant about "reconciling."
    "Two thousand people killed in Vukovar," a top aide to President
    Tudjman said afterwards, sadly, voicing typically what many Croats
    felt, "and you are faced with huge emotions growing up from the
    graves. And nobody's punished. How can I reconcile people when we do
    not have the satisfaction that somebody is punished for it all?"
    But this new free-floating international mentality prided itself
    on being, above all, "non-judgmental," talking constantly of
    "reconciliation" instead of "justice," as though reconciliation were
    as simple as saying that everybody is guilty, so let's just get on
    with it and have the right thoughts.
    Thoughtful psychological analysts like Prof. Slavin Letica, the respected Croatian writer and intellectual, argued that these
    supposedly well-meaning foreigners, who were by then setting down the principles for international governance in foreign crises from Croatia
    to Indonesia to Rwanda, with their alphabet soup of organizations, had
    become "post-national" human beings, "ciphers with no emotions."
    To them, he went on, "people who still have emotions and who
    still talk in terms of right and wrong, good and evil, nation and
    patriotism" are "tribal."
    "Emotions and patriotism are [seen as] retrograde," he said.
    "Borders like these historically fearsome ones in the Balkans are unfashionable and simply must be changed, attitudes must be purified.
    These are the men and women of a borderless world."
    I personally remember, in 1992 in Zagreb, being told by the
    deputy Croatian defense minister, "If you take away a people's right
    to defend themselves, then you're morally responsible to defend them."
    But the international governance world did not feel this way, and
    neither did the European and American militaries, even though even the
    U.N. Charter's Article 51 guarantees every people the right to defend
    itself.
    Yet when the rebuilt and reinvigorated Croatian army struck out
    in the summer of 1995, stunning the world by retaking the
    Serb-occupied Krajina and then heading toward the north to retake East Slavonia, the first response from the United Nations and from
    virtually all the Western world capitals was that they could simply
    never do it.
    The Clinton administration, which had predicted the Krajina would
    not fall, stopped Croat forces from taking East Slavonia, which most
    probably would have successfully ended the war.
    "With hindsight," the author and historian William Shawcross
    writes, "Vukovar can be seen as the last moment at which NATO forces
    might have intervened to stop the fighting and to halt Yugoslavia's
    fall into the abyss. But — there was no political will to undertake
    such difficult action. Instead the paths of diplomacy and
    humanitarianism were followed."

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