El domingo, 28 de noviembre de 1999, 9:00:00 (UTC+1), PYRSOS escribió:
Now not only the Bulgarians are claiming a piece of Greek glory but the Albo-Turks too!
"Similar problems arise regarding the the peoples of ancient Epirus, now divided between Greece and Albania. Against a widespread view that that they {Epirotes} spoke a form of Greek the Albanians argue that the Epirotes were one with the rest of the Illyrians."
John Wilkes, "The Illyrians", Blacwell Publications, Cambridge, 1992
The author does not include Epirus as part of Illyria anywhere in his book and clearly says that the rest of the historians consider the Epeirots as Greeks with the exception of the Albanian "historians".
Now, let's see other views.
"Epirus was a land of milk and animal products...The social unit was a small tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and Chaonians...We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes
were speaking the Greek language (in a West-Greek dialect)."
NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Duckworth, London, 1994
"Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias, came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus."
David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995
"Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks."
Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", Penguin Publ., 1996
"The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most
easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their
monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots."
Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California University Press, 1990.
"The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia...."
Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge
University Press, 1997
Both Alexander's parents were ethnic Greeks you laughable Albanian clown!
The evidence is overwhelming.
PYRSOS
Albasoul wrote in message <3840A4FF.F8873C77@home.com>...
Leka i Madh
Sir William Woodthorpe Tarn, of the British Academy, regarded worldwide
as having written the definitive work on Alexander the Great, states
in the
opening paragraph of his book Alexander the Great that "Alexander
certainly
had from his father (Philip II) and probably from his mother (Olymbia)
Illyrian, i.e.
Albanian, blood!"*
During Rose Wilder Lane's visit to Albania in 1921 resulting in the publication in1923 of her book Peaks of Shala, she heard the
following rather extraordinary rendition of Albanian oral history about
Alexander the Great from an Albanian elder:
"There was at that time two capitals of the united kingdom of
Macedonia.
There was Pela, between Salonika and Manastir, and there was
Emadhija**,
the old capital, lying in the valley which is now Mati (a high,
fertile plateau
north of Shkodra, near the coast of northern Albania - ED).
"Alexander's father, Filip the Second had great houses in both Pela and
Emadhija, and before Lec i Madhe was born, his mother left Pela and
came back to the original capital, Emadhija. It was there that Lec i
Madhe
was born, and there he lived until he was out of the cradle and rode
on a
horse when he first went down into Pela to see his father who came
from
the city to meet and see his son for the first time.
"Filip the Second was very proud of his son, and his pride led him to
the one great foolishness of a good and wise king. He said
that he would make Lec i Madhe king of the world, and that was well
enough, but he thought to be king of the world a man must be more
learned than he himself. Whereas all old men who have watched the
ways of the world know that to be strong and ruthless will make a man powerful, but to be learned makes a man full of dreams and
hesitations.
"In his pride and blindness, Filip the Second sent to Greece for an Albanian who had learned the ways of the ancien Greeks,
and to that man he gave the boy, to be taught books. (The Albanian's)
name was Aristotle, and he came from a family of the
tribe of Ajeropi, his father having gone to a village in Macedonia and became a merchant there. Being rich, he sent his son, who
was fond of thought rather than of action, to learn the ancient Greek
ways of thinking. And it was this man who was brought by
Filip the Second to teach his son."***
P 1, ALEXANDER THE GREAT, W.W. Tarn, Beacon Press, Boston, 1956
"Emadhija" means in Albanian "the great city"
PP 184, 186, 187, PEAKS OF SHALA, Rose Wilder Lane.Harper Brothers & Publishers, New York & London, 1923
Other nationalities , of course, have long laid claim to Alexander the Great as one of their own - most notably the Macedonians and the
Greeks.
However, as cited so authoritatively in the opening paragraph of
Tarn's book,
Alexander the Great can be rightfully identified as an Albanian.
Also Alvanitica is a Greek dialect. the only trouble is that it is a dialect that only Albanians from anywhere (even Arbresh of Italy) would understand. the new greeks don't make sense a single word of it. So, it would make a little more sense if you
would replace "Greek/Greece" for "Albanian" in your text.
As for the new Greeks, they are all a historical and anthropological manipulation. Millions of Arvanitas and not a single school around them to teach the language. They don't even dare and speak it in the open as they would be humiliated. most of them
brainwashed, others would loose their job if they held an office.
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