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    Noam Chomsky Discusses Azeri Aggression on Artsakh

    October 10, 2020 at 8:07 pm David Barsamian Community, Interviews 20


    Noam Chomsky, by any measure, has led a most extraordinary life. In
    one index he is ranked as the eighth most cited person in history,
    right up there with Aristotle, Shakespeare, Marx, Plato and Freud. The legendary MIT professor practically invented modern linguistics. In
    addition to his pioneering work in that field, he has been a leading
    voice for peace and social justice for many decades. Chris Hedges says
    he is “America’s greatest intellectual” who “makes the powerful, as well as their liberal apologists, deeply uncomfortable.” He is
    Institute Professor Emeritus in the Department of Linguistics and
    Philosophy at MIT and Laureate Professor of Linguistics and Haury
    Chair in the Program in Environment and Social Justice at the
    University of Arizona. At 91, he is still active, writing and giving
    interviews to the media all over the world. He is the author of scores
    of books, including Propaganda & the Public Mind, How the World Works,
    Power Systems and Global Discontents with David Barsamian of
    Alternative Radio.

    On October 9, 2020, Barsamian spoke with Noam Chomsky about the war on
    Artsakh, its imperial roots and the role of “malevolent actors” like Turkey’s Erdogan. The Armenian Weekly thanks Barsamian for permission
    to publish the transcript of the interview below.

    David Barsamian—The fighting in the Southern Caucasus might be an
    example of what Edward Said called “unresolved geographies.” A legacy
    of imperial cartographers. Stalin as commissar of minorities in 1920,
    to placate Turkey, gave Nagorno Karabakh, which Armenians call
    Artsakh, and Nakhichevan, both Armenian majority areas, to Azerbaijan.
    Then with the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, fighting
    breaks out, resulting in Armenian forces taking Nagorno Karabakh.
    There have been skirmishes, so-called incidents, on and off since
    then, but the attack by Azerbaijan that began on Sept. 27th, no doubt
    in coordination with Turkey, represents a major escalation. The
    reporting here [in the U.S.], the little that there is, is without
    historical background or context. Fighting “erupts,” there are ancient enemies, etc.

    What are the roots of this conflict?

    Noam Chomsky—You’re right that Stalin drew the borders, but remember,
    he was not the only one to draw borders. The entire Middle East was
    carved up by French, British imperialists, drawing lines where they
    wanted, which were to their benefit, taking no account of the needs
    and interests of the populations. That’s a large part of the cause for
    the bitter, violent conflicts raging through the region.

    Take, say, Iraq. The British drew the borders around Iraq so that
    Britain, not Turkey, the former Ottoman Empire, would have control
    over rich oil resources in the north. That brought together Kurds and
    Arabs who had nothing to do with each other. The British furthermore
    wanted to make sure that the new creation they were imposing would not
    be independent, would not have free easy access to the Gulf, so they
    carved up the principality of Kuwait, which the British would control,
    to prevent Iraq from having easy access to the Gulf. Syria, Lebanon,
    Palestine, same thing. Lines drawn by French, British imperialism for
    their interests. All over Africa, you see straight lines. Why? The
    imperial powers were destroying Africa for their interests. Hideous
    atrocities. We don’t have to go through it. Still showing up with the
    people dying in the Mediterranean, fleeing from the horrors that were
    created. So it’s not just Stalin; all the imperial powers.

    Well in the case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, there’s a long history.
    Can’t go through it, but the immediate crisis came when Azerbaijan,
    surely with Turkish backing, Israeli arms pouring in. Ben Gurion
    airport in Israel, Ilyushin planes coming in and out, while no other
    planes are flying [into Baku], sending Israeli arms to Azerbaijan so
    they can kill people, Armenians in Nagorno Karabakh. So yes, this is
    an escalation. International. Russia is on both sides, Iran is
    supporting Armenia, very strange relations. It’s horrible for the
    people there. It’s a very dangerous situation. It’s time for
    international diplomacy, for negotiations to take place to try to
    dampen in down.

    The actors are not the nicest people in the world, to put it mildly.
    Erdogan in Turkey is basically trying to create something like the
    Ottoman Caliphate, with him as caliph, supreme leader, throwing his
    weight around all over the place, and destroying the remnants of
    democracy in Turkey at the same time.

    Israel is interested only in selling arms. They’ll sell them to
    everybody no matter who they’re killing. That’s the mainstay of their economy: security and arms. Even right here where I live, the border
    not far from where I live is being fortified with the crucial
    assistance of Israeli so-called security forces and corporations.
    That’s their job. Elbit [Systems], in this case.

    There’s plenty of malevolent forces involved, and we can only hope
    that there will be some kind of international effort to dampen down
    the atrocities and the aggression before it really explodes into
    massive massacres on the scene and, possibly, international war,
    because many powerful international forces are involved.

    D.B.: Turkey is also shuttling ISIS jihadi fighters from Syria, and
    paying their salaries to go fight with the Azerbaijanis against the

    N.C.: That’s apparently true. Turkey’s probably doing the same in
    Libya, one of the other places where Erdogan is trying to show his
    power. Yes, that’s reported in Azerbaijan.

    D.B.: Armenia in 2018 had a peaceful democratic revolution led by
    Nikol Pashinyan overthrowing the ruling oligarchy. This is one of the
    few instances where there was a peaceful revolution replacing an
    autocratic regime in the post-Soviet states. It wasn’t well-reported
    on here in the U.S.

    N.C.: As far as I know, there was essentially no interest in the
    United States. If there was, I failed to detect it. Yes it was, for
    once, apparently a real democratic revolution. What has happened
    beyond that, I don’t really know the details.

    D.B.: You know my background is Armenian and I’ve been to the Republic
    of Armenia. It’s a relatively poor country, landlocked, has a small population of three million. I went to some villages, and I noticed
    that there were no young or middle-aged men in the village, so I asked
    around: where is everybody? And they said all the menfolk had gone to
    Russia because there is no work here. So Armenia is in a kind of
    desperate situation.

    N.C.: All the more reason why there should be some major international
    effort to terminate the current aggression, and to try to find some
    way to resolve the convoluted problem of Nagorno Karabakh, where
    there’s an Armenian population inside an Azerbaijani controlled area.
    It’s not an easy one to resolve, but through reasonable negotiations
    that could be an outcome that is possible.

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