• Dumpster fire

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 04:21:45 2020
    XPost: alt.english.usage, alt.usage.english, za.politics

    I saw the following question on Quora:

    --- quoted text ---
    How did the ANC (African National Congress) become a dumpster fire?

    Steve Hayes, Studied history and theology, retired English editor
    Answered 1m ago
    I’m not sure that I fully understand the metaphor of a “dumpster
    fire”. I thought it was used mainly for a flame war on social media,
    and the in-fighting in the ANC goes a long way beyond a mere war of
    words.
    --- end quoted text ---

    Can anyone help expand my understanding of the metaophor of a
    "dumpster fire"?

    In South Africa we don't have "dumpsters", and when I see the word
    dumpster I picture a skip. Skips are usually used to collect building
    rubble, but people sometimes hire them for putting their other junk
    in, but I've been told that American dumpsters, while used for similar purposes, are constructed differently.

    So is "dumpster fire" (used metaphorically) used for anything other
    than a flame war in Facebook comments, and what would it mean in the
    context of the question?

    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.kh
  • From Tony Cooper@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Tue Feb 25 22:23:46 2020
    XPost: alt.english.usage, alt.usage.english, za.politics

    On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 04:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    I saw the following question on Quora:

    --- quoted text ---
    How did the ANC (African National Congress) become a dumpster fire?

    Steve Hayes, Studied history and theology, retired English editor
    Answered 1m ago
    Im not sure that I fully understand the metaphor of a dumpster
    fire. I thought it was used mainly for a flame war on social media,
    and the in-fighting in the ANC goes a long way beyond a mere war of
    words.
    --- end quoted text ---

    Can anyone help expand my understanding of the metaophor of a
    "dumpster fire"?

    In South Africa we don't have "dumpsters", and when I see the word
    dumpster I picture a skip. Skips are usually used to collect building
    rubble, but people sometimes hire them for putting their other junk
    in, but I've been told that American dumpsters, while used for similar >purposes, are constructed differently.

    So is "dumpster fire" (used metaphorically) used for anything other
    than a flame war in Facebook comments, and what would it mean in the
    context of the question?

    Yes, "dumpster" is the US term for a "skip". The name comes from
    George Dempster, the former Mayor of Knoxville TN who owned a
    construction company. He developed and patented a container in 1935
    to be used for construction and other debris. The container could be
    picked up by a truck designed for that purpose. It was originally
    known as the Dempsey Dumpmaster. "Dumpster" has now become the
    generic word for what you call a skip.

    Dunno about the construction differences since I don't know what a SA
    skip looks like. There are several designs and sizes of them used in
    the US.

    The metaphor is that a crisis that gets out of hand is like a fire in
    a dumpster...no one knows when it started or why because it burns out
    of sight until it gets out of hand.

    No social media origins, but it can be applied to what can happen in
    social media.


    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to tonycooper214@invalid.com on Wed Feb 26 09:16:27 2020
    XPost: alt.english.usage, alt.usage.english, za.politics

    On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 22:23:46 -0500, Tony Cooper
    <tonycooper214@invalid.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 04:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    So is "dumpster fire" (used metaphorically) used for anything other
    than a flame war in Facebook comments, and what would it mean in the >>context of the question?

    Dunno about the construction differences since I don't know what a SA
    skip looks like. There are several designs and sizes of them used in
    the US.

    An SA skip looks like this:

    <http://skiphiregroup.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Mini-Skip-Hire-1.jpeg>

    The metaphor is that a crisis that gets out of hand is like a fire in
    a dumpster...no one knows when it started or why because it burns out
    of sight until it gets out of hand.

    No social media origins, but it can be applied to what can happen in
    social media.

    I've only seen the metaphorical "dumpster fire" used used in the
    context of comments on Facebook.

    So my mental picture doesn't include "out of hand", but since it is in
    a confined and relatively isolated space, unlikely to spread --
    similar in a way to a storm in a tea cup.

    In relation to the ANC, which for the last 10 years has been consumed
    by internal dissension, and is almost equally split between those
    opposed to corruption who turned off the tap, and those who are
    struggling to get hold of the tap to turn it on again, the metaphor
    seemed appropriate to the war of words that has been going on, but in
    some cases it has been going beyond words - hit men being hired to
    take out rival candidates for the committees of party branches and
    things like that.



    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to Tony Cooper on Wed Feb 26 09:38:15 2020
    XPost: alt.english.usage, alt.usage.english, za.politics

    On 2020-02-26, Tony Cooper wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 04:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    I saw the following question on Quora:

    --- quoted text ---
    How did the ANC (African National Congress) become a dumpster fire?

    Steve Hayes, Studied history and theology, retired English editor
    Answered 1m ago
    I’m not sure that I fully understand the metaphor of a “dumpster
    fire”. I thought it was used mainly for a flame war on social media,
    and the in-fighting in the ANC goes a long way beyond a mere war of
    words.
    --- end quoted text ---

    Can anyone help expand my understanding of the metaophor of a
    "dumpster fire"?

    In South Africa we don't have "dumpsters", and when I see the word
    dumpster I picture a skip. Skips are usually used to collect building >>rubble, but people sometimes hire them for putting their other junk
    in, but I've been told that American dumpsters, while used for similar >>purposes, are constructed differently.

    So is "dumpster fire" (used metaphorically) used for anything other
    than a flame war in Facebook comments, and what would it mean in the >>context of the question?

    Yes, "dumpster" is the US term for a "skip". The name comes from
    George Dempster, the former Mayor of Knoxville TN who owned a
    construction company. He developed and patented a container in 1935
    to be used for construction and other debris. The container could be
    picked up by a truck designed for that purpose. It was originally
    known as the Dempsey Dumpmaster. "Dumpster" has now become the
    generic word for what you call a skip.

    Interesting, thanks --- I'd always assumed it was just because you
    dump stuff in it plus a mildly amusing suffix.


    Dunno about the construction differences since I don't know what a SA
    skip looks like. There are several designs and sizes of them used in
    the US.

    The metaphor is that a crisis that gets out of hand is like a fire in
    a dumpster...no one knows when it started or why because it burns out
    of sight until it gets out of hand.

    But a fire in a (steel) dumpster is easier to contain than one in a
    barn, a large building, etc.



    No social media origins, but it can be applied to what can happen in
    social media.




    --
    Mrs CJ and I avoid clichés like the plague.

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  • From ZaBodie@21:1/5 to Steve Hayes on Wed Oct 21 21:29:27 2020
    XPost: alt.english.usage, alt.usage.english, za.politics

    On 2/26/2020 4:21 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
    I saw the following question on Quora:

    --- quoted text ---
    How did the ANC (African National Congress) become a dumpster fire?

    Steve Hayes, Studied history and theology, retired English editor
    Answered 1m ago
    I’m not sure that I fully understand the metaphor of a “dumpster
    fire”. I thought it was used mainly for a flame war on social media,
    and the in-fighting in the ANC goes a long way beyond a mere war of
    words.
    --- end quoted text ---

    Can anyone help expand my understanding of the metaophor of a
    "dumpster fire"?

    In South Africa we don't have "dumpsters", and when I see the word
    dumpster I picture a skip. Skips are usually used to collect building
    rubble, but people sometimes hire them for putting their other junk
    in, but I've been told that American dumpsters, while used for similar purposes, are constructed differently.

    So is "dumpster fire" (used metaphorically) used for anything other
    than a flame war in Facebook comments, and what would it mean in the
    context of the question?

    It means, Mrs Hayes, that the cANCer is spiraling out of control,
    burning within it's petty, so-called structural walls.

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