• Re: UA

    From Lazarus Cain@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue Mar 15 10:53:12 2022
    On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:26:13 PM UTC-5, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    The videos below are from the Ukraine's cities/towns/settlements that
    are currently under the Russian occupation. They show life of regular
    locals there. Also you can get some info from the comments. I looked
    at the videos history of every of these Youtube accounts to be sure
    they aren't somehow linked with an activism or propaganda of any kind.
    From the propaganda, activism sources, one can get very crazy claims
    in the current situation. Passions are hot.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0azcILvCCh0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36FshvuUWiA> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEa9EeHFJL0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_YiM_cT6I> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFPfzZ2l0B0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_pMaRFYd0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRuRIpW465c> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdQ_dbEzoo> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6d0FLRsRGM>

    From various accounts, it looks like things happen so that as soon as
    the Russian troops approach a city or a settlement, they invite local authorities for a talk, where they tell them they aren't going to
    interfere into the local administration, but they ask them for a
    coordination with the Russian military command.

    If there's no Kiev military units (or some militias seeking for fight)
    there, then the Russian military set some checkpoints near the
    settlement and continue to move further. The military often even don't
    enter inside such settlements. If there are some militants willing to
    fight, then the settlement becomes encircled and the command decides
    whether to fight them or to set it in a siege, while moving the major
    troops further.

    So far, it apparently fits to the Kremlin's declarations stating that
    the troops are sent after the radical nationalist militant formations,
    not after the Ukrainians/Ukraine as such.

    In large enough cities/towns the military set checkpoints within urban
    areas, and the Russian soldiers don't prevent local pro-Kiev activists
    from protesting, as long as their protest is peaceful. One can easily
    find many videos showing such protesters. Some angry folks are brave
    enough to stand next to the armed sodiers and curse/insult them boldly.
    The soldiers do not touch such folks. Kiev propaganda seeks to promote
    such videos under "Ukrainians don't give up" slogan. Although it does
    not look like a big percentage of the residents is taking part in such protest activities.

    Given that the invasion disrupted certain supply chains, the military
    brings "humanitarian aid" to the locals <https://youtu.be/pw8YsxVuTKA>
    One can find videos showing a queue of locals for the aid and as well
    there also may be activists there cursing their fellow countrymen for
    the fact that they're willing to take this aid. There are some videos
    where Russian soldiers prevent such angry activists from attacking the
    people standing in the queue.

    There were reports that the Russian military switch off Kiev's TV
    channels in the occupied areas and instead switch on Russian TV there. However, the Russian military do not seem to seek to destroy internet
    and mobile communications. That's why the people in the occupied areas
    can upload their videos etc.

    For example, description of this video <https://youtu.be/-gtOjgnJVzs>
    claims this man is the city mayor of Kherson being interviewed for the America's CNN. Kherson is quite a big city under Russian occupation,
    and it had been taken with some fights. The mayor tells in the video
    that there should be no doubt the city remains Ukrainian and his administration tries its best to maintain normal life for the people,
    even despite some destructions occurred during the sturm of the city.

    The tactics of the Kiev's military is so that they typically avoid to
    meet the Russian troops in an open field but rather take up defensive positions within important cities and towns. So, if there's a combat,
    it's often accompanied with some destructions of urban infrastructure
    and collateral casualties among civilians. That's the most dire part. "Humanitarian corridors" to evacuate civilians are organized, but not everyone can or wants to evacuate. Also, Kiev military often prevent
    the civilians from evacuation to Russian-held areas. Zelensky has
    issued death threats to anyone who would contact with the Russians.

    Presently, the most fierce fighting is going on near and within the
    city of Mariupol. It's a strategically important city of the Ukraine's south-east. Numerous Kiev troops have entrenched within the city, and
    it's known that a large part of them are hardcore neo-Nazi units. This
    is why the fights are especially fierce there. Besides Mariupol, there
    are several other places where combats are or were hot, which led to
    urban destructions and collateral casualties.

    * * *

    The prerequisites that led to this dire situation were as follows.

    Since autumn 2021, many expected that Kiev troops will likely try to
    attack Donbas soon. What did give reasons for such expectations? The
    Kiev's obvious unwillingness to implement the Minsk-2 agreement.

    In the international scene, there were repeated claims that "Minsk-2 agreement is the only way". Russian top officials said so, the Kiev
    top officials said so, and the Atlanticist top officials said so. But
    within the Kiev regime, there was a clear attitude "we aren't going to implement it", and some functionaries spoke it out openly.

    Besides, for about eight years since the 2014 coup, the Atlanticist
    powers supplied Kiev with modern weapons, their military instructors
    trained the regime's military. The Kiev troops became much stronger
    against what was in 2014/15, when the fights in Donbas were hot. So it contributed to the expectations that one day Kiev will certainly try
    to attack the Donbas militias with its much strengthened and renoved
    army.

    The Kremlin's order to concentrate Russian troops near the Ukraine's
    border was seen by many, including myself, as a warning sign intended
    to turn Kiev away from the temptation to attack Donbas. In turn, the Atlanticist mainstream media started their vocal campaign "Russia is
    going to invade Ukraine", and, under this vocalism, the Westerners significantly intensified their supply of weapons to Kiev. In addition,
    Kiev functionaries intensified rhetorics about joining NATO, and the Atlanticist official rhetorics also were promising about it. Zelensky
    ordered military registration of women and recruitment of male
    reservists. Troops near Donbas and in other areas were put on higher readiness. In February, at the Munich Conference, Zelensky said he
    now considers the Ukraine's non-nuclear status "in doubt", which was understood as a hint that the regime might try to make nukes. It's in
    no way unrealistic, given that since the Soviet time, there are many engineers in the Ukraine who were familiar with the Soviet techniques.

    The prospect to have a 40-million neighboring nation which is heavily militarized, which mainstream propaganda heavily indoctrinates,
    "zombifies" regular people with hateful anti-Russian ideologies, which government is going to produce nuclear weapons, would be of course
    dangerous and highly undesirable from the Russian perspective.

    In addition to that, the Kremlins did not get a meaningful answer to
    their "security guarantees" proposals addressed to the US and NATO,
    and, under American pressure, Germany did put Nord Stream 2 on hold indefinitely, which likely contributed to the Kremlin feelings "there
    is nothing to lose anyway".

    Did the Kremlin have a beforehand plan to invade the Ukraine? Doubts.
    Was it well-calculated? It might be that the decision was made on the
    basis of the very recent developments. I can't know for sure and it's difficult to analyze it right now. One may notice, what I've written
    above it not really an analysis but rather a set of related facts.

    * * *

    Bonus link: about the Ukraine history <https://tinyurl.com/yh33mena>

    * * *

    For China - and other Asian powers, - this situation is mostly
    beneficial. It weakens Europe and the whole West. Some European big
    factories have already been stopped because the Ukraine-related
    developments disrupted their supplies. It weakens Russia, of course.
    China emerges relatively more strong against all this mess.
    Well, it is nice to know that Russian command at lest knows the right thing to do.
    How well this is actually being done might be subject to dispute without better proof.

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  • From Lazarus Cain@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Tue Mar 15 10:55:21 2022
    On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:26:13 PM UTC-5, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    The videos below are from the Ukraine's cities/towns/settlements that
    are currently under the Russian occupation. They show life of regular
    locals there. Also you can get some info from the comments. I looked
    at the videos history of every of these Youtube accounts to be sure
    they aren't somehow linked with an activism or propaganda of any kind.
    From the propaganda, activism sources, one can get very crazy claims
    in the current situation. Passions are hot.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0azcILvCCh0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36FshvuUWiA> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEa9EeHFJL0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_YiM_cT6I> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFPfzZ2l0B0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_pMaRFYd0> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRuRIpW465c> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdQ_dbEzoo> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6d0FLRsRGM>

    From various accounts, it looks like things happen so that as soon as
    the Russian troops approach a city or a settlement, they invite local authorities for a talk, where they tell them they aren't going to
    interfere into the local administration, but they ask them for a
    coordination with the Russian military command.

    If there's no Kiev military units (or some militias seeking for fight)
    there, then the Russian military set some checkpoints near the
    settlement and continue to move further. The military often even don't
    enter inside such settlements. If there are some militants willing to
    fight, then the settlement becomes encircled and the command decides
    whether to fight them or to set it in a siege, while moving the major
    troops further.

    So far, it apparently fits to the Kremlin's declarations stating that
    the troops are sent after the radical nationalist militant formations,
    not after the Ukrainians/Ukraine as such.

    In large enough cities/towns the military set checkpoints within urban
    areas, and the Russian soldiers don't prevent local pro-Kiev activists
    from protesting, as long as their protest is peaceful. One can easily
    find many videos showing such protesters. Some angry folks are brave
    enough to stand next to the armed sodiers and curse/insult them boldly.
    The soldiers do not touch such folks. Kiev propaganda seeks to promote
    such videos under "Ukrainians don't give up" slogan. Although it does
    not look like a big percentage of the residents is taking part in such protest activities.

    Given that the invasion disrupted certain supply chains, the military
    brings "humanitarian aid" to the locals <https://youtu.be/pw8YsxVuTKA>
    One can find videos showing a queue of locals for the aid and as well
    there also may be activists there cursing their fellow countrymen for
    the fact that they're willing to take this aid. There are some videos
    where Russian soldiers prevent such angry activists from attacking the
    people standing in the queue.

    There were reports that the Russian military switch off Kiev's TV
    channels in the occupied areas and instead switch on Russian TV there. However, the Russian military do not seem to seek to destroy internet
    and mobile communications. That's why the people in the occupied areas
    can upload their videos etc.

    For example, description of this video <https://youtu.be/-gtOjgnJVzs>
    claims this man is the city mayor of Kherson being interviewed for the America's CNN. Kherson is quite a big city under Russian occupation,
    and it had been taken with some fights. The mayor tells in the video
    that there should be no doubt the city remains Ukrainian and his administration tries its best to maintain normal life for the people,
    even despite some destructions occurred during the sturm of the city.

    The tactics of the Kiev's military is so that they typically avoid to
    meet the Russian troops in an open field but rather take up defensive positions within important cities and towns. So, if there's a combat,
    it's often accompanied with some destructions of urban infrastructure
    and collateral casualties among civilians. That's the most dire part. "Humanitarian corridors" to evacuate civilians are organized, but not everyone can or wants to evacuate. Also, Kiev military often prevent
    the civilians from evacuation to Russian-held areas. Zelensky has
    issued death threats to anyone who would contact with the Russians.

    Presently, the most fierce fighting is going on near and within the
    city of Mariupol. It's a strategically important city of the Ukraine's south-east. Numerous Kiev troops have entrenched within the city, and
    it's known that a large part of them are hardcore neo-Nazi units. This
    is why the fights are especially fierce there. Besides Mariupol, there
    are several other places where combats are or were hot, which led to
    urban destructions and collateral casualties.

    * * *

    The prerequisites that led to this dire situation were as follows.

    Since autumn 2021, many expected that Kiev troops will likely try to
    attack Donbas soon. What did give reasons for such expectations? The
    Kiev's obvious unwillingness to implement the Minsk-2 agreement.

    In the international scene, there were repeated claims that "Minsk-2 agreement is the only way". Russian top officials said so, the Kiev
    top officials said so, and the Atlanticist top officials said so. But
    within the Kiev regime, there was a clear attitude "we aren't going to implement it", and some functionaries spoke it out openly.

    Besides, for about eight years since the 2014 coup, the Atlanticist
    powers supplied Kiev with modern weapons, their military instructors
    trained the regime's military. The Kiev troops became much stronger
    against what was in 2014/15, when the fights in Donbas were hot. So it contributed to the expectations that one day Kiev will certainly try
    to attack the Donbas militias with its much strengthened and renoved
    army.

    The Kremlin's order to concentrate Russian troops near the Ukraine's
    border was seen by many, including myself, as a warning sign intended
    to turn Kiev away from the temptation to attack Donbas. In turn, the Atlanticist mainstream media started their vocal campaign "Russia is
    going to invade Ukraine", and, under this vocalism, the Westerners significantly intensified their supply of weapons to Kiev. In addition,
    Kiev functionaries intensified rhetorics about joining NATO, and the Atlanticist official rhetorics also were promising about it. Zelensky
    ordered military registration of women and recruitment of male
    reservists. Troops near Donbas and in other areas were put on higher readiness. In February, at the Munich Conference, Zelensky said he
    now considers the Ukraine's non-nuclear status "in doubt", which was understood as a hint that the regime might try to make nukes. It's in
    no way unrealistic, given that since the Soviet time, there are many engineers in the Ukraine who were familiar with the Soviet techniques.

    The prospect to have a 40-million neighboring nation which is heavily militarized, which mainstream propaganda heavily indoctrinates,
    "zombifies" regular people with hateful anti-Russian ideologies, which government is going to produce nuclear weapons, would be of course
    dangerous and highly undesirable from the Russian perspective.

    In addition to that, the Kremlins did not get a meaningful answer to
    their "security guarantees" proposals addressed to the US and NATO,
    and, under American pressure, Germany did put Nord Stream 2 on hold indefinitely, which likely contributed to the Kremlin feelings "there
    is nothing to lose anyway".

    Did the Kremlin have a beforehand plan to invade the Ukraine? Doubts.
    Was it well-calculated? It might be that the decision was made on the
    basis of the very recent developments. I can't know for sure and it's difficult to analyze it right now. One may notice, what I've written
    above it not really an analysis but rather a set of related facts.

    * * *

    Bonus link: about the Ukraine history <https://tinyurl.com/yh33mena>

    * * *

    For China - and other Asian powers, - this situation is mostly
    beneficial. It weakens Europe and the whole West. Some European big
    factories have already been stopped because the Ukraine-related
    developments disrupted their supplies. It weakens Russia, of course.
    China emerges relatively more strong against all this mess.
    It is interesting to know also that Ukraine is declaring those who cooperate with Russia and are subject to imprisonment or even execution if cities regained by Ukrainians.

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  • From Raskolynikov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 18 15:30:53 2022
    I'm all for the holy Russian nation, but holiness is usually associated with peace
    and godliness.

    Worship of nuclear weapon power is more likely to be described by a term "Plutonium Cathedral", bowing the the god of Death.

    Mr. Putin should first address domestic problems IMHO.

    For example, his economy and the wealth of the nation are in the hands of very few
    people, while common Russian appears to have very little from oil an gas exports.
    Russian girls have no perspective and great number of them see no way to change their status but to engage in online prostitution.

    How is that about holy Russian nation?

    It should be primarily about godly offspring:

    Malachi 2:15
    And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one?
    That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none
    deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

    in Christ
    Amen

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