Matthew 23
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean
the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion
and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the
cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto
whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

* * *

You have denied Satan the Devil, recognised One God as Creator,
and the Lord Jesus Christ as you Saviour. Good job! But sadly, not enough ... Or fortunately, not enough, or the spiritual way would be very scarce
and depleted!

OK, you say: "I am spiritual by myself and by my spiritual ancestry,
I need no Holy Bible, no Qur'an, no Bhagavad Gita, no Vedas, no
ancient scrolls from the Dead Sea ... I will simply go on and do my
best, if I make a mistake, I will learn from my error and become a
better person. I need no greedy priest, rabbi, imam or guru. I know
better than them, because I am not greedy at all!"

However, learning from errors has several drawbacks. Simply, trying out
all the limitless combinations takes too long, and life is too short.
The wrong choices outnumber the good ones - there are dozens
of ways more to do the wrong thing than the right thing, whenever
we are in the position to choose!

Trying some combinations end up badly and irreversible: i.e. some
girls want to model, but end up selling their virginity for a video.
Even if not, the temptations for a "material girl" are way too many,
and most of them end up as a concubine to some oligarch or
person in power who wants such beauty for himself, and in power
of his money.

Another obvious mistake we cannot correct is a murder or - abortion.
No girl or woman can rectify this mistake and bring an aborted
child back to life! Therefore this is a deadly, mortal mistake (sin).

I feel like I'm losing you now, but Jesus spoke of the Pharisees
as of white-painted sepulchres. This is the image of the modern
girl with beautiful clothes and perfect makeup, but in her heart she
hides the number of boys she betrayed ever since her youth and
the number of little dead corpses that were an unwanted byproduct
of her yearned unlimited sexual freedom.

Trial and error won't fix that!

We are defenceless against our crimes of the past, and the Universe
(Cosmos) condemns us justly!

Woe to us! Woe to those pretty beauties on catwalks!

But before your past creeps up on you, and it will, in this life or in the next,
for all debts will be accounted for ... there was a Man who loved Mary Magdalene and would go on the cross of Golgotha for her alone.

But we have to accept him as our personal Saviour to give him
legitimate permission to do that.

We also have to confess our faults. The good news is that murder
can be forgiven if we repent and hold fast never to repeat it, like
Moses, David and Paul had. But their repentance was expensive:
none of them got two Hail Marys as the penance. David describes
unbelievers "eating his flesh" (David conspired to murder by proxy
of the Amonites of his best soldier Uriah Hittite to get hold of his
beautiful wife Bat Sheba).

As a consequence and by his own verdict, and over time David had
lost four sons as a consequence of his sinful deed: the child
conceived with Bat Sheba, his firstborn who defiled the sister of
his other son Absolom, Absolom himself in a rebellion and finally
Adoniah, who was executed during the conflict for succession
of the Israel's throne.

But he remained the elected king and the promise of Messiah coming
from his bloodline was irrevocable - only the threat of the sword was
never removed from his offspring, even the very just ones as Josiah who
died at the battlefield of Megiddo (2 Chronicles 35).

One of the most notable errors that cannot be corrected on our own
is allowing a certain weapon that seems like a more heavy and effective armour-piercing shell because its radioactive half-life is 4.5 billion
years, but its other ways of toxicity on the (non-combatant)
pregnant women and infants in the womb proved teratogenic, gruesome,
and disastrous.

However, God promised to cleanse us from all consequences of our
errors - and that includes rape, murder and abortion.

As it is written:

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may
be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and
to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 32:5
I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said,
I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD;
and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin.

Psalm 51
2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight:
that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest,
and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts:
and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean:
wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness;
that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways;
and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation:
and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it:
thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. 19 Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness,
with burnt offering and whole burnt offering:
then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar.

CONCLUSION

What can be learned from this Psalm 51?

1. God doesn't want any sacrifice for murder or abortion: donation
to the church or religious institution will not help.

2. The walls of Zion were torn down - this signified that Israel had
lost favour in the battlefield against her enemies because of David's
sin. The security of the land is not in its weapons or piled-up nuclear weapons, but in its righteousness! (This seems awkward and
unbelievable now, but it is completely based on the Holy Bible!)

3: God is justified when we confess that we have transgressed,
and not Him. This is the purpose of the confession of sin, mistake or fault.

4. God does not execute us for admitting our fault, but He allows us to
teach other transgressors of His ways.

5. When we say: "I have sinned and I have already been conceived in sin",
we allow God to put our sin at the cross of the Calvary (Golgotha).

The ways of karma yoga and paying for sins with our own suffering
are impractical for this age of discord, and we tend to be entangled
and commit more sins than we repent or pay for. Therefore we need
the help of other, more spiritual people and the Holy Scriptures.
Trial and error won't work this time, simply because of the number of
wrong steps outnumbering the correct solutions for our problems.
And because of the majority taking wrong turns or bad shortcuts.

We must watch to whom we confess our sin: some preachers will
say that it is not so hard (false prophets), and that we can trust in
the grace and continue.

However, if we want to achieve anything of value in physical (sport),
mental (science) or spiritual (salvation of the soul) realm, we must
drop the unworthy ways which are also so comfortable and soothing
(alcohol, promiscuity, pornography, drugs and narcotics, etc.)

The inclination by itself will not go by confessing to a person himself
in sin: it might even help from erring more, or ease the pressure of guilt,
but it won't i.e. stop from more "ab's" if the girl confides to another girl, woman or elder who also had ab's, and/or approves them "for the greater
good".

But we see that young women abort the children of the poor guys,
and strive at all cost to beget the children of the wealthy and successful ones. To the female elders, it seems OK and right.

But any patriarch with the just sense of what is godly will disallow
this shameful disgrace.

Whatever the fault, mistake or sin was there is a way back through
confession of sin (if you do not think that rape, prostitution, murder or abortion is wrong, this may mean that God's Spirit had stopped trying on you).

Matthew 12
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of
man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

in the name of the LORD God Merciful, Almighty
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Abortion is mentioned in the Bible--book of Job and no assertion that it is wrong is made

Raskolynikov <andronicus451@gmail.com> wrote:
abortion is wrong.

in the name of the LORD God Merciful, Almighty
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Dana nedjelja, 10. rujna 2023. u 20:16:54 UTC+2 korisnik dolf napisao je:

Abortion is mentioned in the Bible--book of Job and no assertion that it is wrong is made

Did you mean these verses:

Job 3
3 “May the day of my birth perish,
and the night it was said, ‘A boy is conceived.’
4 If only that day had turned to darkness!
May God above disregard it; may no light shine upon it.
5 May darkness and gloom reclaim it,
and a cloud settle over it; may the blackness of the day overwhelm it.
6 If only darkness had taken that night away!
May it not appear among the days of the year;
may it never be entered in any of the months.
7 Behold, may that night be barren;
may no joyful voice come into it.

8 May it be cursed by those who curse the day —
those prepared to rouse Leviathan.
9 May its morning stars grow dark;
may it wait in vain for daylight;
may it not see the breaking of dawn.

10 For that night did not shut the doors of the womb
to hide the sorrow from my eyes.
11 Why did I not perish at birth;
why did I not die as I came from the womb?
12 Why were there knees to receive me,
and breasts that I should be nursed?

13 For now I would be lying down in peace;
I would be asleep and at rest
14 with kings and counselors of the earth,
who built for themselves cities now in ruins,
15 or with princes who had gold,
who filled their houses with silver.

16 Or why was I not hidden like a stillborn child,
like an infant who never sees daylight?

17 There the wicked cease from raging,
and there the weary find rest.
18 The captives enjoy their ease;
they do not hear the voice of the oppressor.
19 Both small and great are there,
and the slave is freed from his master.

Those are very wise verses, but I do not see a justification for the murder
of the unborn children "as a human right" anywhere here. Can you "enlighten" me?

It is, however, true that most of the cities and lands we now fight for will be "cities kings and counselors built for themselves, now in ruins" as Job noted in
the spirit long ago ...

Vanitas vanitaorum.
Vanity over vanities, everything is vanity ...

in the LORD
Amen

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"Or as an hidden untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 I had not been; as infants
which never saw light." [Job 3:16]

"As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
[Psalm 58:8]

"If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the
days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and
also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely-H5309 birth-H5309
is better than he." [Ecclesiastes 6:3]

<http://www.grapple369.com/?lexicon:H5309>

#160 as [#50 - VASTNESS / WASTING, #80 - LABOURING, #30 - BOLD
RESOLUTION] = nephel (H5309): 1) *ABORTION*, miscarriage;

Very ancient by nature since it has conformity to a TRIPARTITE NUMBER metakosmeo worldview rather than SKY FATHER (AMUN: 365 - LUO SHU SQUARE)
/ EARTH MOTHER (MUT: 364) PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY as BIPARTITE NUMBER ...

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#65 - GAAGES CONTROLLER / SOLDIER
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#17 - FIRE
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On 11/9/2023 07:34, Raskolynikov wrote:

Dana nedjelja, 10. rujna 2023. u 20:16:54 UTC+2 korisnik dolf napisao je:

Abortion is mentioned in the Bible--book of Job and no assertion that it is >> wrong is made

Did you mean these verses:

Job 3
3 “May the day of my birth perish,
and the night it was said, ‘A boy is conceived.’
4 If only that day had turned to darkness!
May God above disregard it; may no light shine upon it.
5 May darkness and gloom reclaim it,
and a cloud settle over it; may the blackness of the day overwhelm it.
6 If only darkness had taken that night away!
May it not appear among the days of the year;
may it never be entered in any of the months.
7 Behold, may that night be barren;
may no joyful voice come into it.

8 May it be cursed by those who curse the day —
those prepared to rouse Leviathan.
9 May its morning stars grow dark;
may it wait in vain for daylight;
may it not see the breaking of dawn.

10 For that night did not shut the doors of the womb
to hide the sorrow from my eyes.
11 Why did I not perish at birth;
why did I not die as I came from the womb?
12 Why were there knees to receive me,
and breasts that I should be nursed?

13 For now I would be lying down in peace;
I would be asleep and at rest
14 with kings and counselors of the earth,
who built for themselves cities now in ruins,
15 or with princes who had gold,
who filled their houses with silver.

16 Or why was I not hidden like a stillborn child,
like an infant who never sees daylight?

17 There the wicked cease from raging,
and there the weary find rest.
18 The captives enjoy their ease;
they do not hear the voice of the oppressor.
19 Both small and great are there,
and the slave is freed from his master.

Those are very wise verses, but I do not see a justification for the murder of the unborn children "as a human right" anywhere here. Can you "enlighten" me?

It is, however, true that most of the cities and lands we now fight for will be
"cities kings and counselors built for themselves, now in ruins" as Job noted in
the spirit long ago ...

Vanitas vanitaorum.
Vanity over vanities, everything is vanity ...

in the LORD
Amen

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Dana ponedjeljak, 11. rujna 2023. u 01:50:20 UTC+2 korisnik dolf napisao je:

"Or as an hidden untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 I had not been; as infants
which never saw light." [Job 3:16]

"As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
[Psalm 58:8]

"If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the
days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and
also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely-H5309 birth-H5309
is better than he." [Ecclesiastes 6:3]

Please note that the Hebrew word "nephel" used here in all these three verses is also translated as "stillborn child" or a "miscarriage".

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5309.htm

This was probably more common in the days of David and Solomon than having witches preparing potions for induced miscarriage ...

Even then, all three verses depict the destiny of a "nephel" child as very grim, and
compare the misfortune with them, not a Heaven or Paradise they should go to
as "not having yet done good or evil" (Romans 9:11).

in the LORD
Amen

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The point I made was that it is inclusive of abortion -- It is stated twice
as emphatic, that you must distinguish your PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY from having an equivalent pagan foundation to fascism and don't pretend that religious abhorrence to abortion isn't actually a form of holocaust denial.

You are likely a depraved person...

#160 as [#50 - VASTNESS / WASTING, #80 - LABOURING, #30 - BOLD RESOLUTION]
= nephel (H5309): 1) *ABORTION*, miscarriage;

Very ancient by nature since it has conformity to a TRIPARTITE NUMBER metakosmeo worldview rather than SKY FATHER (AMUN: 365 - LUO SHU SQUARE) / EARTH MOTHER (MUT: 364) PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY as BIPARTITE NUMBER ...

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#65 - GAUGES CONTROLLER / SOLDIER
#41 - JUPITER PRINCIPLE
#17 - FIRE
#57 - #508 - MONGOLIAN PAPAL CHARADE / INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THEFT
#33 - METASCHEMA ON CHRISTOLOGY (*FIRSTBORN*)


Raskolynikov <andronicus451@gmail.com> wrote:

Dana ponedjeljak, 11. rujna 2023. u 01:50:20 UTC+2 korisnik dolf napisao je:

"Or as an hidden untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 I had not been; as infants
which never saw light." [Job 3:16]

"As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the
untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
[Psalm 58:8]

"If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the
days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and
also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely-H5309 birth-H5309
is better than he." [Ecclesiastes 6:3]

Please note that the Hebrew word "nephel" used here in all these three verses is also translated as "stillborn child" or a "miscarriage".

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5309.htm

This was probably more common in the days of David and Solomon than having witches preparing potions for induced miscarriage ...

Even then, all three verses depict the destiny of a "nephel" child as very grim, and
compare the misfortune with them, not a Heaven or Paradise they should go to as "not having yet done good or evil" (Romans 9:11).

in the LORD
Amen

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The Egyptians practiced infanticide or late term abortions (since the
umbilical cord was still attached) against male Jewish children before the exodus and giving of the 10 Commandments as everlasting covenant
foundations to belief ...

So PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY is likely associated to genocide.

dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

The point I made was that it is inclusive of abortion -- It is stated twice as emphatic, that you must distinguish your PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY from having an equivalent pagan foundation to fascism and don't pretend that religious abhorrence to abortion isn't actually a form of holocaust denial.

You are likely a depraved person...

#160 as [#50 - VASTNESS / WASTING, #80 - LABOURING, #30 - BOLD RESOLUTION]
= nephel (H5309): 1) *ABORTION*, miscarriage;

Very ancient by nature since it has conformity to a TRIPARTITE NUMBER metakosmeo worldview rather than SKY FATHER (AMUN: 365 - LUO SHU SQUARE) / EARTH MOTHER (MUT: 364) PARTHENOGENESIS IDOLATRY as BIPARTITE NUMBER ...

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#41 - JUPITER PRINCIPLE
#17 - FIRE
#57 - #508 - MONGOLIAN PAPAL CHARADE / INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THEFT
#33 - METASCHEMA ON CHRISTOLOGY (*FIRSTBORN*)

Raskolynikov <andronicus451@gmail.com> wrote:

Dana ponedjeljak, 11. rujna 2023. u 01:50:20 UTC+2 korisnik dolf napisao je: >>> "Or as an hidden untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 I had not been; as infants

which never saw light." [Job 3:16]

"As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the
untimely-H5309 birth-H5309 of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
[Psalm 58:8]

"If a man beget an hundred children, and live many years, so that the
days of his years be many, and his soul be not filled with good, and
also that he have no burial; I say, that an untimely-H5309 birth-H5309
is better than he." [Ecclesiastes 6:3]

Please note that the Hebrew word "nephel" used here in all these three verses
is also translated as "stillborn child" or a "miscarriage".

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5309.htm

This was probably more common in the days of David and Solomon than having >> witches preparing potions for induced miscarriage ...

Even then, all three verses depict the destiny of a "nephel" child as very grim, and
compare the misfortune with them, not a Heaven or Paradise they should go to >> as "not having yet done good or evil" (Romans 9:11).

in the LORD
Amen

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