On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
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D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred the >>>>> Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>> can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not
possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux
for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows >>> is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of MATLAB
there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio
software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available.
And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running
some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some spacecraft.
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever
more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they
have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of
control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it.
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with Linux.
It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is quickly swallowing the rest.
On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred the >>>>>> Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>>> can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows >>>> is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of MATLAB >>> there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio
software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available.
And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running
some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some spacecraft. >>>
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever
more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they
have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of
control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it.
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with Linux. >>> It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and
freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is
quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros
and the current Fedora ain't bad ...
Now as for servers and embedded, Linux/Unix already
rules that world.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in <OaOdnZSwLbgFh274nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred the >>>>>>> Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>>>> can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows >>>>> is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of MATLAB >>>> there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio >>>> software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available. >>>> And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running
some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some spacecraft. >>>>
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever
more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they
have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of
control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it. >>>>
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with Linux. >>>> It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and
freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is >>> quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu and all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with Debian on Raspberry now.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros
and the current Fedora ain't bad ...
Now as for servers and embedded, Linux/Unix already
rules that world.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in <OaOdnZSwLbgFh274nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred the >>>>>>> Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>>>> can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows >>>>> is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of MATLAB >>>> there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio >>>> software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available. >>>> And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running
some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some spacecraft. >>>>
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever
more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they
have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of
control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it. >>>>
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with Linux. >>>> It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and
freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is >>> quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu and all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with Debian on Raspberry now.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804"
<68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
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On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always
preferred the
Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well >>>>>>>> that
can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using
linux
for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet.
Windows
is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of
MATLAB
there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together. >>>>> Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio >>>>> software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available. >>>>> And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running >>>>> some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some
spacecraft.
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever >>>>> more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... .. >>>>> Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they >>>>> have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of >>>>> control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it. >>>>>
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with
Linux.
It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and >>>> freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and
linux is
quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu
and all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with
Debian on Raspberry now.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros
and the current Fedora ain't bad ...
Now as for servers and embedded, Linux/Unix already
rules that world.
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu
it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
On 3/14/24 12:56 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804"
<68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<OaOdnZSwLbgFh274nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of
"all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred >>>>>>>> the
Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>>>>> can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet.
Windows
is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of
MATLAB
there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together. >>>>> Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio >>>>> software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available. >>>>> And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running >>>>> some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some
spacecraft.
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever >>>>> more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... .. >>>>> Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they >>>>> have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of >>>>> control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it. >>>>>
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with Linux. >>>>> It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with
linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and >>>> freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is >>>> quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu and
all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with Debian
on Raspberry now.
Dbus isn't evil ... just another thing that can go wrong.
People get more upset about systemd. The prob with dbus
is that since it's "just been around" for a long time they
write their apps to use it - so you can't just de-dbus
your installation without losing lots of stuff.
For laptops - try MX ... seem to have a smarter installer
that actually understands e-disks. Alas the current distro
is based on Worm - and forget plug-in cams on a Pi5 ...
Worm keeps moving the /dev/video(x) around. 'Motion' does
not work right with Worm either.
Haven't messed with Slack since - well, I *think* it
had X ..... decidedly a 'unique' rendition of Linux
with a good rep - though that DOES involve more WORK
than the others require.
Some of the latest Arch-based distros are very nice.
Depending on what you need, even some of the BSDs
are looking good now - DragonFly is worth a try,
you can test 'em in VirtualBox quite easily. My
gripe with the BSDs is that they still generally
use SMB-1, maybe SMB-2 ... so win-compatible shares
will not be quite as secure as you'd want these days.
The latest Fedora also seems good - waiting for
the Pi5 port ....
On 3/14/24 2:10 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<OaOdnZSwLbgFh274nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of >>>>>>>>>> "all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred >>>>>>>>> the
Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well >>>>>>>>> that
can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. >>>>>>> Windows
is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of >>>>>> MATLAB
there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together. >>>>>> Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio >>>>>> software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available. >>>>>> And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running >>>>>> some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some
spacecraft.
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever >>>>>> more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... .. >>>>>> Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they >>>>>> have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more
powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of >>>>>> control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it. >>>>>>
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with
Linux.
It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with >>>>> linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy and >>>>> freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and linux is >>>>> quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu and >>> all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with Debian >>> on Raspberry now.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros
and the current Fedora ain't bad ...
Now as for servers and embedded, Linux/Unix already
rules that world.
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu it >> always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about distro-hopping,
check it out, you might like it! =)
OpenSUSE used to be my favorite - found the green box
on a shelf at WalMart WAY back. Used it for desktop
and on various office servers. OpenSUSE makes a lot
of twitchy stuff like softRAID setup very easy. I've
done that the "hard way" and it took most of the day -
two minutes with OpenSUSE/YAST. An odd annoyance was
that the way it comes set up it has a total spaz-attack
if it can't find a device set up in fstab while Debs
will try, and then just move on if at all possible.
Alas, OpenSUSE has been affected by the IBM/RH thing and
now you're mostly getting beta code - you're volunteering
as a RHEL tester. DID get it to run on a Pi4, a bit clunky
but it DID work.
Was very happy with vanilla Deb + LXDE ... until The WORM.
In any case, consumers are NOT stuck with Winders or Mac.
Most don't even KNOW this. Modern Linux GUIs make them
as easy for grandma as anything the biggies produce and
Granny doesn't have to blow her whole SS check to get 'em.
Yea, yea ... there are Android laptops/tablets ... but
Android is just Linux that got a lobotomy ......
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business
laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
On 3/14/24 2:10 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400) it happened
"68hx.1804"
<68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
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On 3/14/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
<7%BIN.332098$7uxe.243152@fx09.ams1>:
D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
???? It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of >>>>>>>>>>> "all-purpose"
???? while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always
preferred the
Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very >>>>>>>>>> well that
can
be chained together with similar programs.
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it >>>>>>>>> is not
possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using >>>>>>>>> linux
for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?". >>>>>>>>>
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. >>>>>>>> Windows
is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
That is complete bullox
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version
of MATLAB
there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications
together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, >>>>>>> audio
software, system conversion, thousands of free applications
available.
And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be
running
some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some
spacecraft.
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and >>>>>>> ever
more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the
updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and >>>>>>> they
have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more >>>>>>> powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of
out of
control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that
uses it.
Windows has finally matured. No more "blue screen of death".
Just delete it and install Ubuntu for example to get started with >>>>>>> Linux.
It has very good online support (groups).
Reading a decent book on Unix may help a lot.
Jan is right. I worked on systems managing PB of information all with >>>>>> linux or linux based software. Linux runs stock markets, medical
equipment space shuttles etc.
I suggest that you try linux and perhaps you will discover the joy >>>>>> and
freedom of it.
But in the world today, windows is mostly used in desktops, and
linux is
quickly swallowing the rest.
Linux IS the best way to go. I quit Winders
after the Vista debacle and will never go back.
Winders is just the world's most elaborate
spyware system anyhow ...
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because
Canonical kept making weird utterly pointless
changes to some of the most basic configuration
aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS
using Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has
the look and feel of Canonical rejects coming
to work there.
Yes, and all that dbus shit
My main distro was Slackware, Debian also
Had problems installing latest Slackware on my laptop so took Ubuntu
and all works.
Disabled updates.
I would like to go back to a non-dbus Linux version, but busy with
Debian on Raspberry now.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros
and the current Fedora ain't bad ...
Now as for servers and embedded, Linux/Unix already
rules that world.
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with
ubuntu it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
OpenSUSE used to be my favorite - found the green box
on a shelf at WalMart WAY back. Used it for desktop
and on various office servers. OpenSUSE makes a lot
of twitchy stuff like softRAID setup very easy. I've
done that the "hard way" and it took most of the day -
two minutes with OpenSUSE/YAST. An odd annoyance was
that the way it comes set up it has a total spaz-attack
if it can't find a device set up in fstab while Debs
will try, and then just move on if at all possible.
Alas, OpenSUSE has been affected by the IBM/RH thing and
now you're mostly getting beta code - you're volunteering
as a RHEL tester. DID get it to run on a Pi4, a bit clunky
but it DID work.
Was very happy with vanilla Deb + LXDE ... until The WORM.
In any case, consumers are NOT stuck with Winders or Mac.
Most don't even KNOW this. Modern Linux GUIs make them
as easy for grandma as anything the biggies produce and
Granny doesn't have to blow her whole SS check to get 'em.
Yea, yea ... there are Android laptops/tablets ... but
Android is just Linux that got a lobotomy ......
Actually, modern linux makes it _easier_ and _faster_ to install than
modern windows, and as a bonus, no malware or viruses! My father has
been happily running for 10 years without the slightest problem.
The only thing that has happend once is that he filled up the disk by mistake, so I had to guide him over the phone into rescue mode and
delete some files, and that was it. =)
As for opensuse, never power-used it with raid, storage and such things,
so can't say anything about that. I use it today as my desktop, and on
the server side for simple web-servers, source code repositories, so
nothing fancy, and there I use leap and not tumbleweed, so pretty stable.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:51:22 -0400) it happened =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in <xhDIN.261226$ps1.101587@fx12.ams1>:
Jan Panteltje wrote on 3/14/2024 9:00 AM:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400) it happened
=?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZSDinIU=?= <@.> wrote in
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D wrote on 3/14/2024 5:17 AM:That is complete bullox
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 23:06:10 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>> possible to go back to windows.
  It's an East/West diff ... the west loves the idea of "all-purpose"It's more my personality than vice versa but I've always preferred the >>>>>> Unix/Linux philosophy of a program that does one thing very well that >>>>>> can
  while east trends more towards "mission-specific".
be chained together with similar programs.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
We don't know.
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows >>>> is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
In some of the (Linux) Raspberry release you got a free version of MATLAB >>> there are a zillion open source application for Linux.
And the good thing is you can connect things / applications together.
Media players (mplayer, xine, etc) video editing, audio editing, audio
software, system conversion, thousands of free applications available.
And maybe without your knowing: much in your home may well be running some version of Linux
router, HD receiver, WiFi box, TV, Linux is even used in some spacecraft. >>>
MS windblows is just for the ignorant to ever buy more bloat and ever more hardware needed to run the bloat
ever more bandwidth (expensive fiber) needed to get the updates... ..
Microsore has No purpose whatsoever except to get your money and they have shares in hardware companies
as every time their bloat increases people have to buy ever more powerful hardware to be able to run it.
Basically Microsore is a crime against humanity, an example of out of control capitalism.
And of course it spies on everybody all around the world that uses it.
Please explain why desktop Linux has only 3.77% market share of all the
common computer operating systems? If Windows is so bad, then how did
Windows garner 73% market share?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
For desktop computers and laptops, Microsoft Windows is the most used at
72.99%, followed by Apple's macOS at 16.13%, and Google's ChromeOS at
1.76%, and desktop Linux at 3.77%. Since ChromeOS is a Linux based OS,
it can be added to the total desktop Linux share bringing it to 5.53%.
Long ago I bought an Asus eeePC 701, small sort of portable computer,
it ran Linux.
It was an enormous success,
I still have it and it still runs the original distro.
The next one: Microsore had bought its way into the company and a MSwidows version came out
Sort of US mafia methods.
MS has made deals with suppliers that make it an advantage for the suppliers to sell PCs with MS stuff.
And people get brainwashed - like you - that make them think MS is the only solution.
As to numbers, here is an old story:
Some professor showed that in the same city where the most children were born there were also the most storks.
So, conclusion: storks bring little kids.
He than warned his students about mis-interpretation statistics...
I bought a Samsung laptop years ago, came with some MSwidows version
did put Ubuntu on it, everything worked right away.
Some other Linux distros after that (multi boot) too, now the latest version of Ubuntu is on it.
I have not missed anything, wrote many many programs that run on it.
Have not missed MS widows at all.
Last one was win 3.1 ? with trumpet winsock to go online IIRC
I had that running on DR DOS (Digital Research DOS)
Billy the Gates was upset it could run on an other OS and then integrated the GUI part with the basic system to prevent that
and cause the mess windblows is it ...
Billy the Gates had the opinion that internet was nothing back then.
well there is more to it..
:-)
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because Canonical kept making
weird utterly pointless changes to some of the most basic
configuration aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS using
Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has the look and feel of Canonical
rejects coming to work there.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros and the current Fedora
ain't bad ...
Hell, my first computer was a punch-card reader attached to a PDP-11.
There WERE serial terminals,
but the underlings didn't get those
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet. Windows
is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
Ignorance is bliss...
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu
it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and a real pain in
the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:15:28 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and a real pain in
the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
I'm left handed and I really, really don't miss hunting down the xorg configuration file and trying to decide which was button 1 in my world or guessing at which obscure parameters might make my monitor happy.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:33:25 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Hell, my first computer was a punch-card reader attached to a PDP-11.
There WERE serial terminals,
but the underlings didn't get those
The first VDT I swa was when I interviewed at IBM Endicott in the late
'60s. What will they think of next?
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business
laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:10:20 +0100, D wrote:
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu
it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
I was running 13.2 but never moved to Leap. I decided to try the Fedora
KDE spin instead. Besides, Torvalds uses Fedora. It must be good :)
On 3/14/24 11:01 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:15:28 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and a real pain in >>> the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
I'm left handed and I really, really don't miss hunting down the xorg
configuration file and trying to decide which was button 1 in my world or
guessing at which obscure parameters might make my monitor happy.
Yea ... the monitors were especially obscure !
STILL ARE if you get down to the nuts & bolts
level with xrandr and such.
I found that the newer rPIs always default to
the highest detected rez for whatever monitor/TV.
This can mean ULTRA-tiny stuff on like a 4k
capable TV - totally useless.
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff and
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things
at a reasonable rez. Using the GUI apps didn't
always stick.
I've a sort of love/hate relationship with rPIs.
In some respects they're just perfect for a variety
of 'utility' applications. I've got some set up
to view/record my security cams, for example and
used them for other interesting purposes before
I retired.
Alas sometimes they can be very "pig-headed" and
seem to resist altering their defaults. Also had
bad experiences with the Pi-3s wi-fi ... the chips
seem to burn out after a couple of years. Had TWO
go all wonky in the past few weeks - no updates
involved. Another P3 started to HANG after 2+ years,
for no obvious reasons. Luckily I had a spare P4,
so we'll see if it's the hardware or the SD card
that's going bad. DO use Samsung Endurance cards.
You CAN just move a card from a P3 to P4 with
no probs. P5's are "different" and I don't
like it.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for
about the same $$$ as the Pi. Gonna check one
out pretty soon.
Oh, MOST reliable, Pi-2 B/B+ ... the ones with not
as many GPIO pins. Have one that has been doing its
one thing for about 10 years. Remembered it existed
and mercifully upgraded to BullsEye and new SD - and
it continues to do its thing.
Actually, modern linux makes it _easier_ and _faster_ to install than
modern windows, and as a bonus, no malware or viruses! My father has been
happily running for 10 years without the slightest problem.
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and
a real pain in the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
The only thing that has happend once is that he filled up the disk by
mistake, so I had to guide him over the phone into rescue mode and delete
some files, and that was it. =)
I think Winders now has an automatic "make space" daemon.
However as Linux is often used on servers - which may
contain legally-sensitive records - it does not auto-delete
anything. The easiest fix for the mentioned prob these days
is to boot a live distro from a stick ... easier than
the built-in rescue modes.
THE easiest way to fill-up a Linux disk is to write a
lot of stuff to an external, usually SMB - share and
the mount craps out. Now you're writing to your LOCAL
folder instead. Happens just often enough I had to
write some CHECKING routines into my backup programs
to make SURE the mount was still there and writable.
A quickie pattern search of /proc/mounts will usually
tell you want you want to know (in Debs/Fedora anyhow).
If it ain't in there, it ain't mounted.
As for opensuse, never power-used it with raid, storage and such things, so >> can't say anything about that. I use it today as my desktop, and on the
server side for simple web-servers, source code repositories, so nothing
fancy, and there I use leap and not tumbleweed, so pretty stable.
Ran T-Weed on a Pi4 also ... worked ok, but OpenSUSE is
a relatively "fat" distro so it was clunky.
In any case YAST2 makes a LOT of fiddly stuff REALLY easy.
Wish they'd port it over to all the other Lini.
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop, I >> tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few rough >> patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if it would >> have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business laptop I think
I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try Freebsd
again and by then I think those small rough patches should have been sorted >> out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff and
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things at a reasonable
rez. Using the GUI apps didn't always stick.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for about the same $$$
as the Pi. Gonna check one out pretty soon.
Wow ! So MODERN !!!
Yep, they were pretty damned crude back in the day. No "click here"
buttons.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:10:38 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff andMy work Debian box is on a KVM and sometimes doesn't pick up the monitor's capabilities correctly so I have a similar script. The GUI doesn't even
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things at a reasonable
rez. Using the GUI apps didn't always stick.
see the highest resolution.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for about the same $$$https://archimago.blogspot.com/2022/07/review-beelink-ser4-ryzen-7-4700u.html
as the Pi. Gonna check one out pretty soon.
I've been using one of these as my main machine. iirc it was about $300
when I bought it as an experiment. It had Windows 11 Pro that lasted long enough for me to install Ubuntu over it. That was in 2022 before Beelink added enough variations to be confusing. It's the Ryzen 7 variant but they also have Intel offerings.
The company bought a Mac Mini when we were developing a Android/iOS
product and needed it to do the Xamarin build and I was curious about the minis. I wonder how they'll do since Intel gave away its NUC line. From
what I've seen after using the Beelink for 2 years towers will go the way
of dinosaurs.
On 3/14/24 10:02 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet.
Windows is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
Ignorance is bliss...
Does he know that Winders is just the seagull-befouled tip of the
computing iceberg ???
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:17:51 +0100, D wrote:
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not
possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux
for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
Our clients are sold on Windows so I have to develop on Windows. We tried
to push Linux as sites moved from RS6000 / AIX systems but it was a hard
sell. Two sites did go with Linux at least for the servers but when the
Linux advocate who had the power to make the decision moved on they went
to Windows.
Sigh... such is the world! =(
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
On 3/14/24 11:01 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:15:28 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and a real
pain in
the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
I'm left handed and I really, really don't miss hunting down the xorg
configuration file and trying to decide which was button 1 in my
world or
guessing at which obscure parameters might make my monitor happy.
Yea ... the monitors were especially obscure !
STILL ARE if you get down to the nuts & bolts
level with xrandr and such.
I found that the newer rPIs always default to
the highest detected rez for whatever monitor/TV.
This can mean ULTRA-tiny stuff on like a 4k
capable TV - totally useless.
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff and
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things
at a reasonable rez. Using the GUI apps didn't
always stick.
I've a sort of love/hate relationship with rPIs.
In some respects they're just perfect for a variety
of 'utility' applications. I've got some set up
to view/record my security cams, for example and
used them for other interesting purposes before
I retired.
Alas sometimes they can be very "pig-headed" and
seem to resist altering their defaults. Also had
bad experiences with the Pi-3s wi-fi ... the chips
seem to burn out after a couple of years. Had TWO
go all wonky in the past few weeks - no updates
involved. Another P3 started to HANG after 2+ years,
for no obvious reasons. Luckily I had a spare P4,
so we'll see if it's the hardware or the SD card
that's going bad. DO use Samsung Endurance cards.
You CAN just move a card from a P3 to P4 with
no probs. P5's are "different" and I don't
like it.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for
about the same $$$ as the Pi. Gonna check one
out pretty soon.
Oh, MOST reliable, Pi-2 B/B+ ... the ones with not
as many GPIO pins. Have one that has been doing its
one thing for about 10 years. Remembered it existed
and mercifully upgraded to BullsEye and new SD - and
it continues to do its thing.
I use pi:s as my kodi TV-computer and it works great! A bit underpowered
but overall great. Now I recently bought a Radxa Zero, which is more
powerful and smaller form factor so it will be very interesting to see
if I get it up and running with kodi, replacing my pi 3a+ after many years.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:17:00 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Wow ! So MODERN !!!
Yep, they were pretty damned crude back in the day. No "click here"
buttons.
Given the timing it must have been a 2260. The 3270 was still in the
future as was the ubiquitous ADM-3A.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2260
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:10:38 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff and
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things at a reasonable
rez. Using the GUI apps didn't always stick.
My work Debian box is on a KVM and sometimes doesn't pick up the monitor's capabilities correctly so I have a similar script. The GUI doesn't even
see the highest resolution.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for about the same $$$
as the Pi. Gonna check one out pretty soon.
https://archimago.blogspot.com/2022/07/review-beelink-ser4- ryzen-7-4700u.html
I've been using one of these as my main machine. iirc it was about $300
when I bought it as an experiment. It had Windows 11 Pro that lasted long enough for me to install Ubuntu over it. That was in 2022 before Beelink added enough variations to be confusing. It's the Ryzen 7 variant but they also have Intel offerings.
The company bought a Mac Mini when we were developing a Android/iOS
product and needed it to do the Xamarin build and I was curious about the minis. I wonder how they'll do since Intel gave away its NUC line. From
what I've seen after using the Beelink for 2 years towers will go the way
of dinosaurs.
Towers will always be around. All gaming PCs are big box towers. You
need extra room to put in extra hard drives,
I've used KVM. It's pretty good - but does NOT always see ALL the
local hardware entirely. Part of the issue is that new hardware comes
VERY fast now ... hard for developers to keep up.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in <7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop, >>> I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if >>> it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business
laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on, or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading.. more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged, Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks...
With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:10:20 +0100, D wrote:
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu
it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
I was running 13.2 but never moved to Leap. I decided to try the Fedora
KDE spin instead. Besides, Torvalds uses Fedora. It must be good :)
Haha true. ;) At least I agreed with Torvals HW-choice many years ago.
My favourite form factor was the apple air 11.6". It was perfect for me! Sadly the 11.6" passed away and now there's most only 13" or more. =(
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 22:34:38 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
On 3/14/24 10:02 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:23:28 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
Linux is OK for simple tasks, like internet browsing and Usenet.
Windows is for serious users who need to do more than simple tasks.
Ignorance is bliss...
Does he know that Winders is just the seagull-befouled tip of the
computing iceberg ???
Most lusers don't. They don't even get the hint when 'wsl --install' is a dozen keystrokes away. Now why would Microsoft make it so easy to run
Ubuntu (or Debian, Kali, or several other distros)? Why would Microsoft
have their own Linux distro?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-linux/intro-azure-linux
I never looked at Azure pricing but for AWS it's much less expensive to
set up a Linux instance rather than a Windows one. When the lusers
navigate to their favorite website they don't realize it's powered by
Linux.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:22:07 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
Towers will always be around. All gaming PCs are big box towers. You
need extra room to put in extra hard drives,
Right. M2 SSDs are HUGE!
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804"
<68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop, >>>> I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few >>>> rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if >>>> it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business
laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have >>>> been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors >> Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged, >> Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks...
With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old
laptop, I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It
had a few rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease
couldn't fix, so if it would have been my personal laptop and not my
personal+business laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with
Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should
have been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
As long as I get my XFCE I'm good. ;) I do use terminal for email, news
and calendar though. =)
When it comes to the BSDs, I never managed to get NetBSD work well, Open seems to have good support, but not a fan of the filesystem, so that's
why I landed on Free. I have an Asus Expertbook and it ran fairly well.
But for all fans of linux/bsd I always recommend to buy a laptop that's
_at least_ 1 year old in order to minimize hardware issues.
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop, >>>>> I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few >>>>> rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if >>>>> it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business
laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have >>>>> been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors >>> Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks...
With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level). Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-)
Fun stuff!
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 11:41:11 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
However I dumped Ubuntu some time back because Canonical kept making
weird utterly pointless changes to some of the most basic
configuration aspects plus keeps trying to sell me crap. WAS using
Debian but their "BookWorm" distro has the look and feel of Canonical
rejects coming to work there.
My work machine in Debian Bullseye and I'm not planning on a move to Bookworm.
machine is Ubuntu and the other is Fedora.
Oh well, there are lots of Arch-based distros and the current Fedora
ain't bad ...
Fedora is a busy little bugger. It only wants to do 101 updates and 5 packages today :) I generally run 'sudo dnf upgrade' and 'sudo flatpak update' daily and there is very seldom nothing to do. The installs are the 6.7.9 kernel. Otoh the Ubuntu box is running 6.5.0.
On 3/15/24 6:25 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:17:51 +0100, D wrote:
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not
possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux
for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
Our clients are sold on Windows so I have to develop on Windows. We tried >>> to push Linux as sites moved from RS6000 / AIX systems but it was a hard >>> sell. Two sites did go with Linux at least for the servers but when the >>> Linux advocate who had the power to make the decision moved on they went >>> to Windows.
Sigh... such is the world! =(
Yea, yea ... when I retired the new guy was
a 101% Winders/O365/External-Services guy - to
take them "into the future" :-)
Good luck !
Oh, have you been tracking the UnitedHealth debacle ?
It's apparently a LOT worse than they let on. Yesterday
I saw some interviews (BBC?) with private docs/clinics
who have had to take out LOANS to cover what they HOPE
will be delayed claims. Yet another giant corp that
apparently never heard the term "backup" and thought
"connectivity/integration" means "nirvana" ......
Vlad will, of course, deny all knowledge ....
On 3/15/24 6:30 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
On 3/14/24 11:01 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:15:28 -0400, 68hx.1804 wrote:
I've been using it since - hell - X was BRAND NEW and a real pain in
the ass to set up for monitors/mice.
I'm left handed and I really, really don't miss hunting down the xorg
configuration file and trying to decide which was button 1 in my world or >>>> guessing at which obscure parameters might make my monitor happy.
Yea ... the monitors were especially obscure !
STILL ARE if you get down to the nuts & bolts
level with xrandr and such.
I found that the newer rPIs always default to
the highest detected rez for whatever monitor/TV.
This can mean ULTRA-tiny stuff on like a 4k
capable TV - totally useless.
SO, had to delve back into the deep X stuff and
xrandr to make a startup script that'd set things
at a reasonable rez. Using the GUI apps didn't
always stick.
I've a sort of love/hate relationship with rPIs.
In some respects they're just perfect for a variety
of 'utility' applications. I've got some set up
to view/record my security cams, for example and
used them for other interesting purposes before
I retired.
Alas sometimes they can be very "pig-headed" and
seem to resist altering their defaults. Also had
bad experiences with the Pi-3s wi-fi ... the chips
seem to burn out after a couple of years. Had TWO
go all wonky in the past few weeks - no updates
involved. Another P3 started to HANG after 2+ years,
for no obvious reasons. Luckily I had a spare P4,
so we'll see if it's the hardware or the SD card
that's going bad. DO use Samsung Endurance cards.
You CAN just move a card from a P3 to P4 with
no probs. P5's are "different" and I don't
like it.
There are now a few x86 family sub-mini boxes for
about the same $$$ as the Pi. Gonna check one
out pretty soon.
Oh, MOST reliable, Pi-2 B/B+ ... the ones with not
as many GPIO pins. Have one that has been doing its
one thing for about 10 years. Remembered it existed
and mercifully upgraded to BullsEye and new SD - and
it continues to do its thing.
I use pi:s as my kodi TV-computer and it works great! A bit underpowered
but overall great. Now I recently bought a Radxa Zero, which is more
powerful and smaller form factor so it will be very interesting to see if I >> get it up and running with kodi, replacing my pi 3a+ after many years.
Have had issues with the P3 ... they work fine for two
or three years. Then things go wrong - esp the Wi-Fi.
The P1s were solid, as were the P2s. They ARE powerful
enough for certain dedicated tasks like as a Motion server
for USB security cams and such so long as you don't need
max frame-rates. You don't need a P9 with 64gb RAM for
*everything* :-)
I never looked at Azure pricing but for AWS it's much less expensive to
set up a Linux instance rather than a Windows one. When the lusers
navigate to their favorite website they don't realize it's powered by
Linux.
And as I said ... VERY few realize that 95% of the
computing universe is Linux/Unix-based. Hey, do
you REALLY think M$ is running all those Office/cloud
apps on Winders Server ? :-)
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now
RHEL even though they name it different. This is
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
On 3/15/24 6:29 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 19:10:20 +0100, D wrote:
I run opensuse and have been for many, many years. Compared with ubuntu >>>> it always just works. So in case anyone is thinking about
distro-hopping, check it out, you might like it! =)
I was running 13.2 but never moved to Leap. I decided to try the Fedora
KDE spin instead. Besides, Torvalds uses Fedora. It must be good :)
Haha true. ;) At least I agreed with Torvals HW-choice many years ago. My
favourite form factor was the apple air 11.6". It was perfect for me! Sadly >> the 11.6" passed away and now there's most only 13" or more. =(
Dem BASTARDS !!! :-)
IMHO, stay away from anything with a M$/Apple label ...
As said, I was a solid vanilla Deb guy for a long time.
Kinda put away OpenSUSE entirely after the IBM thing,
esp after they "dumbed it down" and took away a lot of
olde-tyme CLI utilities I relied on to parse for info.
Still a pretty good system though.
Alas, with Worm
I'm now totally off Deb. Looks like Fedora will be
my main thing now - maybe some Arch, though I don't
love the packaging system. "Synaptic" is wonderful -
you can see all the stuff you didn't even know you
needed ! Arch-equivs have kinda faded away, even
worse with the BSDs. Apparently you're supposed to
be psychic with the BSDs - "just know" what's out
there, what it affects, what else goes with ...
When it comes to the BSDs, I never managed to get NetBSD work well, Open
seems to have good support, but not a fan of the filesystem, so that's why >> I landed on Free. I have an Asus Expertbook and it ran fairly well.
The BSDs either love the old Unix file systems or want
to do everything in ZFS, which is usually over-kill
to the max.
I did try "OpenIndiana"/Solaris. It's not bad, but it's
VERY different from what Linux people are used to. It
was meant for large systems - and good fuckin' luck
dealing with disks/partitions. Still worth looking at
and still easier than Plan-9.
...But for all fans of linux/bsd I always recommend to buy a laptop that's _at >> least_ 1 year old in order to minimize hardware issues.
STILL peeved that they mostly just do SMB-1 ... that's
just NOT good enough anymore. Oh, and forget "No
File Security" protocol, that's Last Century ......
Note, we've gone WAY beyond "Boeing" here ...
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was
once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of
woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked
with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the
upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux.
Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really >dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and
compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local
news proxy for offline reading.
On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop, >>>>>> I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few >>>>>> rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if >>>>>> it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try
Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have >>>>>> been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks...
With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level).
Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-) >> Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:22:07 -0400, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
Towers will always be around. All gaming PCs are big box towers. YouRight. M2 SSDs are HUGE!
need extra room to put in extra hard drives,
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was
once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of
woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked
with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the
upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their
resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux.
Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open
build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for
different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really
dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and
compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local
news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why.
When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:43:04 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <JnydnWDYoOkV0Gj4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>>>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few >>>>>>> rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try >>>>>>> Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have >>>>>>> been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks... >>>>> With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
So far I have been able to do all the simple stuff with a Microchip 18F14K22 chip,
here a simple oscilloscope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
not very fast, but it can also make ASCII graphics you can post to Usenet (use a fixed size font to view):
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump.txt
does Fourier transform too: https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump2.txt
all in PIC asm..
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level).
Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-) >>> Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
I designed a water level meter based on echo for my job once.
Think it had a 555 timer and a 4040 counter to measure the delay.
Echo meters are sensitive to junk on the water, foam, what not.
They mostly used pressure based sensors at the bottom of the water.
Was for water level control in Amsterdam, also water level in sewage puts. Every sensor all over the place (many) connected to a central computer. Amsterdam is several meters below sea level, they use pumps to keep the level in the canals, pumps controlled by the computers.
There are also simple 2 wire water sensors, based on conductance,
when the water rises the contacts got wet and a electric current via the water
was detected.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
I remember my p-days. So cool that hardware and software came designed
and developed together. Very robust systems. But then linux came along
and out went AIX. That said, AIX is no favourite, but it was nice to
have _everything_ from the same vendor. Hmm, kind of like BSD in a way.
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing
pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials run on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
Alas most boards do not include more than two plugs for the things.
What if you need three,
or four, or ten ? "Big Data" does exist.
You don't know anything about serious gaming, do ya?
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was >>> once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of
woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked >>> with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the
upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >>> resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux.
Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >>> build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for
different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really
dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and
compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local
news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why.
When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're
having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf
of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. I >currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university, >infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the Maildir >patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and >news-messages.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:43:04 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<JnydnWDYoOkV0Gj4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>>>>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try >>>>>>>> Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB
too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks... >>>>>> With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive.. >>>>>> goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
So far I have been able to do all the simple stuff with a Microchip 18F14K22 chip,
here a simple oscilloscope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
not very fast, but it can also make ASCII graphics you can post to Usenet (use a fixed size font to view):
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump.txt
does Fourier transform too:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump2.txt
all in PIC asm..
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level). >>>> Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-)
Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
I designed a water level meter based on echo for my job once.
Think it had a 555 timer and a 4040 counter to measure the delay.
Echo meters are sensitive to junk on the water, foam, what not.
They mostly used pressure based sensors at the bottom of the water.
Was for water level control in Amsterdam, also water level in sewage puts. >> Every sensor all over the place (many) connected to a central computer.
Amsterdam is several meters below sea level, they use pumps to keep the level
in the canals, pumps controlled by the computers.
There are also simple 2 wire water sensors, based on conductance,
when the water rises the contacts got wet and a electric current via the water
was detected.
How do people deal with shifting foundations of houses given the water? Or >maybe that is not a problem?
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 06:24:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
I dug mine out and was able to install Q4OS. It still is as limited as it >was in its day but at least it can connect to my wireless router. The >original xandros only recognized WEP. I'm not sure if it would make it as
a webserver.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:22:01 +0100, D wrote:
I remember my p-days. So cool that hardware and software came designed
and developed together. Very robust systems. But then linux came along
and out went AIX. That said, AIX is no favourite, but it was nice to
have _everything_ from the same vendor. Hmm, kind of like BSD in a way.
Besides, the little guy in SMIT was amusing.
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:08:36 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <53366300-e590-242a-3eec-e2a74dd779cc@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:43:04 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<JnydnWDYoOkV0Gj4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804"
<68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try >>>>>>>>> Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB
too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks... >>>>>>> With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive.. >>>>>>> goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff >>>>>> that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly >>>>>> the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just >>>>>> enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
So far I have been able to do all the simple stuff with a Microchip 18F14K22 chip,
here a simple oscilloscope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
not very fast, but it can also make ASCII graphics you can post to Usenet (use a fixed size font to view):
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump.txt
does Fourier transform too:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump2.txt
all in PIC asm..
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'. >>>>> I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level). >>>>> Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-)
Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
I designed a water level meter based on echo for my job once.
Think it had a 555 timer and a 4040 counter to measure the delay.
Echo meters are sensitive to junk on the water, foam, what not.
They mostly used pressure based sensors at the bottom of the water.
Was for water level control in Amsterdam, also water level in sewage puts. >>> Every sensor all over the place (many) connected to a central computer.
Amsterdam is several meters below sea level, they use pumps to keep the level
in the canals, pumps controlled by the computers.
There are also simple 2 wire water sensors, based on conductance,
when the water rises the contacts got wet and a electric current via the water
was detected.
How do people deal with shifting foundations of houses given the water? Or >> maybe that is not a problem?
Houses in Amsterdam are build on wooden poles that are stamped deep into the ground
As long as the water level is constant no problems happen,.
For the farmers around Amsterdam the water level is critical,
just a bit too high and the crops start rotting
just a bit too low and the crops dry out and die.
There is more to it, a large inland lake needs to be controlled as well. there are dikes and water locks everywhere, Rotterdam for example is a big international harbor where ships come from all over the world
unload their cargo (containers) and the stuff is then transported all over Europe by train and trucks.
It seems however that in some other parts of the country houses get severely damaged by changes in the ground water level caused
those houses were build just on sand.
climate change seems to have some effect on the ground water level too.
There is more to it..
Where I used to live there was also a ship elevator so the farmers with their produce
in little boats outside the city were lifted to the higher level in the canals so they could go to the markets.
There are also protections in place for high water through storms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:13:32 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <01074b32-6a4c-8e03-7c09-56b26c5697fc@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was >>>> once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of >>>> woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked >>>> with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the
upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >>>> resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux.
Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >>>> build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >>>> different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really >>>> dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and
compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local >>>> news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why.
When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're
having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf
of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. I >> currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university,
infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the Maildir >> patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and
news-messages.
I do not have google mail problems
It is nice to have all email back to about year 2000 in one directory and accessable with alpine.
Sometimes I use grep in the mail directory to find where I ordered something or look for a person name, is really fast.
I always backup to harddisk after each mail exchange.
Little guy in SMIT? I missed that one!
There are also protections in place for high water through storms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:13:32 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<01074b32-6a4c-8e03-7c09-56b26c5697fc@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was >>>>> once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of >>>>> woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked >>>>> with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the >>>>> upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >>>>> resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux.
Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >>>>> build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >>>>> different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really >>>>> dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and
compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local >>>>> news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why. >>>> When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're
having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf >>> of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. I >>> currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university,
infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the Maildir >>> patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and
news-messages.
I do not have google mail problems
It is nice to have all email back to about year 2000 in one directory and accessable with alpine.
Sometimes I use grep in the mail directory to find where I ordered something >> or look for a person name, is really fast.
I always backup to harddisk after each mail exchange.
If you like to experiment I have a tip for you! I used to do the grep
dance, and I have emails going back to 2001 I think. Then I installed
notmuch and searching became quicker and more powerful.
That said, grep works perfectly fine. Notmuch just adds speed and some
bells and whistles.
Having all those email messages is extremely powerful I find. No one can >claim I said something and I can always go back more than 20 years in time >and find details discussed, and this has saved me on numerous occasions >throughout my life! =)
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 21:47:34 +0100, D wrote:
Little guy in SMIT? I missed that one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMWSD69BWqI
Like everything else, immortalized on youtube.
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:15 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <c7c0c919-8878-4410-34e9-0e99aaf6129a@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:13:32 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<01074b32-6a4c-8e03-7c09-56b26c5697fc@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was >>>>>> once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of >>>>>> woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked >>>>>> with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the >>>>>> upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >>>>>> resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux. >>>>>> Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >>>>>> build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >>>>>> different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really >>>>>> dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and >>>>>> compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local >>>>>> news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why. >>>>> When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're >>>> having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf >>>> of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. I >>>> currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university,
infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the Maildir >>>> patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and
news-messages.
I do not have google mail problems
It is nice to have all email back to about year 2000 in one directory and accessable with alpine.
Sometimes I use grep in the mail directory to find where I ordered something
or look for a person name, is really fast.
I always backup to harddisk after each mail exchange.
If you like to experiment I have a tip for you! I used to do the grep
dance, and I have emails going back to 2001 I think. Then I installed
notmuch and searching became quicker and more powerful.
That said, grep works perfectly fine. Notmuch just adds speed and some
bells and whistles.
Having all those email messages is extremely powerful I find. No one can
claim I said something and I can always go back more than 20 years in time >> and find details discussed, and this has saved me on numerous occasions
throughout my life! =)
OK, I had to look up 'notmuch', never heard of it:
https://notmuchmail.org/
more complicated stuff :-)
For now I will stay with 'grep'.
'locate' is great too to find anything on the systems.
If you do locate for say a company name it will find their emails in the mail directory too.
I use locate all the time for pictures, movies and code on my now terabyte size systems..
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:15 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <c7c0c919-8878-4410-34e9-0e99aaf6129a@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:13:32 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<01074b32-6a4c-8e03-7c09-56b26c5697fc@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:27:39 +0100) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<da58fa2a-fa46-f26a-97cc-ec20d65649d1@example.net>:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I was >>>>>> once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount of >>>>>> woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I worked >>>>>> with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the >>>>>> upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad their >>>>>> resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux. >>>>>> Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE open >>>>>> build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >>>>>> different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I really >>>>>> dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and >>>>>> compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode local >>>>>> news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why. >>>>> When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're >>>> having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf >>>> of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. I >>>> currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university,
infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the Maildir >>>> patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and
news-messages.
I do not have google mail problems
It is nice to have all email back to about year 2000 in one directory and accessable with alpine.
Sometimes I use grep in the mail directory to find where I ordered something
or look for a person name, is really fast.
I always backup to harddisk after each mail exchange.
If you like to experiment I have a tip for you! I used to do the grep
dance, and I have emails going back to 2001 I think. Then I installed
notmuch and searching became quicker and more powerful.
That said, grep works perfectly fine. Notmuch just adds speed and some
bells and whistles.
Having all those email messages is extremely powerful I find. No one can
claim I said something and I can always go back more than 20 years in time >> and find details discussed, and this has saved me on numerous occasions
throughout my life! =)
OK, I had to look up 'notmuch', never heard of it:
https://notmuchmail.org/
more complicated stuff :-)
For now I will stay with 'grep'.
'locate' is great too to find anything on the systems.
If you do locate for say a company name it will find their emails in the mail directory too.
I use locate all the time for pictures, movies and code on my now terabyte size systems..
On a sunny day (17 Mar 2024 18:02:35 GMT) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l5ophqFapnsU3@mid.individual.net>:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 06:44:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Spring is starting very early here, need to mow the grass,..
some flowers are blooming, butterfies.
I haven't seen any butterflies although some of the smaller insects have
hatched out. It will probably be a month before I have to fire up the
lawnmower. We're about 5 degrees further south than Amsterdam but there's
no ocean to help.
I have no problem here with warming, close to a beach,
will attract tourists and increase property prices...
In the far away future it may get too warm sea water will rise
and everything at some point will be flooded..
We will all have to move north to Russia...
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing
pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials run on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is. Last
week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do we still have a RS6000 that will boot?'
Y2K was the watershed year for us. I forget the versions but the IBM Y2K patches wouldn't work on the older RS6000 servers. PSAPs tend to be underfunded so when they looked at the cost of new IBM servers versus the many Windows options they went with Windows.
AIX to Linux was an easy port. The biggest problem was AIX was very
forgiving of NULL accesses and Linux didn't have much of a sense of humor. Then there was the juggling of GIS data from big endian to little endian.
We never did get around to removing the ONC-RPC/XDR endian flipping.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/15/24 6:25 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:17:51 +0100, D wrote:
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a
friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
Our clients are sold on Windows so I have to develop on Windows. We
tried
to push Linux as sites moved from RS6000 / AIX systems but it was a
hard
sell. Two sites did go with Linux at least for the servers but when
the
Linux advocate who had the power to make the decision moved on they
went
to Windows.
Sigh... such is the world! =(
Yea, yea ... when I retired the new guy was
a 101% Winders/O365/External-Services guy - to
take them "into the future" :-)
Good luck !
Oh, have you been tracking the UnitedHealth debacle ?
It's apparently a LOT worse than they let on. Yesterday
I saw some interviews (BBC?) with private docs/clinics
who have had to take out LOANS to cover what they HOPE
will be delayed claims. Yet another giant corp that
apparently never heard the term "backup" and thought
"connectivity/integration" means "nirvana" ......
Vlad will, of course, deny all knowledge ....
Classic! Same happened recently in the public sector in sweden. Add to
that, that a huge part of the public sector outsourced to the same cloud provider (Tieto) and when it was hit, lots of things go down.
About backup I think its becoming a lost art. I remember the IT-manager
of a municipality who was asked on TV "what about your backups" and he responded "we're working on trying to find out if that might be a
possible solution at the present and will keep the press informed about
any updates".
Jesus Christ... any clown can apparently be an IT-manager these days. =(
On 3/16/24 6:09 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/15/24 6:25 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:17:51 +0100, D wrote:
Amen! I've only used linux for the last 20 years or so and it is not >>>>>> possible to go back to windows.
What's interesting is that my father, who is 73, has been using linux >>>>>> for at least 10 years, with adblockers and all, and when he sees a >>>>>> friend using windows he always asks me "How can people stand it?".
Our clients are sold on Windows so I have to develop on Windows. We
tried
to push Linux as sites moved from RS6000 / AIX systems but it was a hard >>>>> sell. Two sites did go with Linux at least for the servers but when the >>>>> Linux advocate who had the power to make the decision moved on they went >>>>> to Windows.
Sigh... such is the world! =(
Yea, yea ... when I retired the new guy was
a 101% Winders/O365/External-Services guy - to
take them "into the future" :-)
Good luck !
Oh, have you been tracking the UnitedHealth debacle ?
It's apparently a LOT worse than they let on. Yesterday
I saw some interviews (BBC?) with private docs/clinics
who have had to take out LOANS to cover what they HOPE
will be delayed claims. Yet another giant corp that
apparently never heard the term "backup" and thought
"connectivity/integration" means "nirvana" ......
Vlad will, of course, deny all knowledge ....
Classic! Same happened recently in the public sector in sweden. Add to
that, that a huge part of the public sector outsourced to the same cloud
provider (Tieto) and when it was hit, lots of things go down.
It started with "Active Directory", WSUS, domain manager
and then MUCH WORSE. Add "convenient" stuff like SolarWinds ...
so you can fire all those old crusty doom-saying IT guys'
and 3rd-party "WE will protect you !" remote firewalls.
We've seen attack after attack after attack that makes
good use of all those "advanced features". Massive damage
done EASILY and OFTEN. I know of some civil govt systems
taken all the way down more than once ... and now UnitedHealth
is a HUGE disaster. Look into Martin County Florida too.
Their Sheriff/Safety dept may STILL be compromised after
MONTHS. This is NOT unusual alas. Schools, hospitals,
public-safety, banks, all your CC info .......
M$ and friends seem to have NO real defense against Vlad,
much less Xi when he decides to act.
My last corp - I had things heavily isolated. Had to
literally BREAK a lot of the security design just to
do a 3rd-party assessment. Boxes, one local net,
Linux-based NAS, firewalls, Fail2Ban and layered
multi-dest backups. Used Acronis or Macrium for the
individual Win boxes ... you'd never be more than
a week behind (and all the REAL stuff was on the
NAS). Linux-boxes for twice-daily backups to
staggered locations - none on-line all the time.
DID have a ransomware attack way back ... but was
able to restore the critical (payroll) stuff in four
hours and everything within 24 (long day, but DID get
overtime :-)
(the backup pgm was designed to DETECT file
corruption/encryption and would NOT replace
it's last good files with the corrupted ones.
NOT major programming, BTW, Used Python or
Pascal over the years - changed to Python
when the Less-Capable appeared likely to
replace me)
I love Pascal ... and Laz/FPC is *the* fastest
path to an intelligent GUI.
Extra layer of "cloud" backup - but every damned
file was PRE-ENCRYPTED before going up there. Don't
EVER trust those "Our Encryption ensures privacy"
claims ... they WILL steal/sell if they can for $$$.
Everyone had their NAS files, their M$ O365, their
mail server (Kerio)- all the usual with no BS. It
"Just Worked" - and was kinda indestructible. Any
damage would not travel far, would not doom
everything forever.
In short I was one of those old crusty doom-saying
IT guys :-) Actually researched the Latest Attack
Strategies ... how RETROGRADE !!!
About backup I think its becoming a lost art. I remember the IT-manager of >> a municipality who was asked on TV "what about your backups" and he
responded "we're working on trying to find out if that might be a possible >> solution at the present and will keep the press informed about any
updates".
Oh GAWD !!!!!
Kept FOUR STAGGERED LARGELY-ISOLATED LAYERS, DAILY !!!
And this was for a "small" interest.
Jesus Christ... any clown can apparently be an IT-manager these days. =(
The Clowns were EXPERTS ... the latest crop ....... !!!
Vlad's/Xi's USEFUL IDIOTS.
On 3/17/24 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 22:04:15 +0100) it happened D
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea ... we seem to have gone WAY WAY past
the "Boeing" stuff ... this has become "comp"
groups stuff. Just sayin' .....
Having a sound compute environment _is_ survival these days! ;)
Alas the Linux groups HATE me ... convinced that
30+ years of on-the-job/for-$$$ don't count because
I'm not always down with their LiniPolitik :-)
I use linux but I'm a BSD guy at heart and prefer the MIT license. I >>>>>>> was
once briefly involved with the linux foundation and the sheer amount >>>>>>> of
woke, genderism and LiniPolitik was revolting! Never again have I >>>>>>> worked
with them and doubt I ever will.
On the lower level of the organization there's good people but at the >>>>>>> upper levels there's a lot of corporate CV-knights who want to pad >>>>>>> their
resume and push woke instead of actually doing something for linux. >>>>>>> Yuck!
It's why so many recent apps come as executable
images rather than installable packages. This is
not a good sign.
Yes, that's sad. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, SUSE >>>>>>> open
build service I think was a nice attempt to make building packages for >>>>>>> different distributions nice and easy, but it never caught on. I >>>>>>> really
dislike 100 MB appimages for the tiniest applications.
But at least for some applications, I can just take the C code and >>>>>>> compile and run, like my alpine email/news reader and my leafnode >>>>>>> local
news proxy for offline reading.
I have been using pine, now alpine, since the early 2000 or so.
using fetchmail for pop email.
And google mail, free yahoo mail stopped working long ago, no idea why. >>>>>> When US provider godaddy stopped with popemail last year I moved my >>>>>> website and email to a local .nl provider.
Oh, a fellow alpine user! That's very rare! ;) I don't know why you're >>>>> having google problems. I'm using alpine with 1 google account on behalf >>>>> of a customer and it works without any problems at all. If you're
interested, just let me know and maybe I can help you to get it working. >>>>> I
currently have imap mail accounts hooked up from my old university,
infomaniak, google and swisscows.email (which I can recommend).
In terms of syncing, I use mbsync in the background, and I use the
Maildir
patch for alpine, so the only thing I do online is sending emails and >>>>> news-messages.
I do not have google mail problems
It is nice to have all email back to about year 2000 in one directory and >>>> accessable with alpine.
Sometimes I use grep in the mail directory to find where I ordered
something
or look for a person name, is really fast.
I always backup to harddisk after each mail exchange.
If you like to experiment I have a tip for you! I used to do the grep
dance, and I have emails going back to 2001 I think. Then I installed
notmuch and searching became quicker and more powerful.
That said, grep works perfectly fine. Notmuch just adds speed and some
bells and whistles.
Having all those email messages is extremely powerful I find. No one can >>> claim I said something and I can always go back more than 20 years in time >>> and find details discussed, and this has saved me on numerous occasions
throughout my life! =)
OK, I had to look up 'notmuch', never heard of it:
https://notmuchmail.org/
more complicated stuff :-)
For now I will stay with 'grep'.
'locate' is great too to find anything on the systems.
If you do locate for say a company name it will find their emails in the
mail directory too.
I use locate all the time for pictures, movies and code on my now terabyte >> size systems..
90% of the way through writing a Python mail-downloader/ID
app. My mail still does POP3, which makes things easy. The
app downloads - but then applies pattern-matching for words
or phases of critical interest ... plus a brief text of
the who/from/subject and some early lines of the body text.
I think I'm gonna use plain old TK to create a pop-up if
there's anything of interest. This app is NOT all that
large/difficult and uses long-existing libs.
Yea, yea ... there are other much-more-complex apps that'll
do kind of the same thing - but I *like* writing my own :-)
On 3/16/24 2:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though they >>> name it different. This is basically the top of the computing
pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials run on >>> it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is. Last
week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do we still >> have a RS6000 that will boot?'
LATEST I've been able to tell - Linux now exceeds AIX.
IBM didn't invest that much in RHEL for nothing.
I think I'm gonna use plain old TK to create a pop-up if there's
anything of interest. This app is NOT all that large/difficult and
uses long-existing libs.
How do people deal with shifting foundations of houses given the water?
Or maybe that is not a problem?
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:43:04 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <JnydnWDYoOkV0Gj4nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<zsmdnfoUKLCuj2j4nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>>>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
<7KidnQmOi_f5HW74nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few >>>>>>> rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try >>>>>>> Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have >>>>>>> been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks... >>>>> With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive..
goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
So far I have been able to do all the simple stuff with a Microchip 18F14K22 chip,
here a simple oscilloscope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
not very fast, but it can also make ASCII graphics you can post to Usenet (use a fixed size font to view):
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump.txt
does Fourier transform too:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump2.txt
all in PIC asm..
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level).
Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-) >>> Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
I designed a water level meter based on echo for my job once.
Think it had a 555 timer and a 4040 counter to measure the delay.
Echo meters are sensitive to junk on the water, foam, what not.
They mostly used pressure based sensors at the bottom of the water.
Was for water level control in Amsterdam, also water level in sewage puts. Every sensor all over the place (many) connected to a central computer. Amsterdam is several meters below sea level, they use pumps to keep the level in the canals, pumps controlled by the computers.
There are also simple 2 wire water sensors, based on conductance,
when the water rises the contacts got wet and a electric current via the water
was detected.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 06:24:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
I dug mine out and was able to install Q4OS. It still is as limited as it was in its day but at least it can connect to my wireless router. The original xandros only recognized WEP. I'm not sure if it would make it as
a webserver.
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
When it comes to the BSDs, I never managed to get NetBSD work well,
Open seems to have good support, but not a fan of the filesystem, so
that's why I landed on Free. I have an Asus Expertbook and it ran
fairly well.
The BSDs either love the old Unix file systems or want
to do everything in ZFS, which is usually over-kill
to the max.
True, but they do it really easy in the v 14 of FreeBSD. Basically the
ZFS setup for home use is automatic. But yes, I've heard of nice ZFS
setups work beautifully up to 500 TB+ or so. But at some point it does
tend to break down.
I did try "OpenIndiana"/Solaris. It's not bad, but it's
VERY different from what Linux people are used to. It
was meant for large systems - and good fuckin' luck
dealing with disks/partitions. Still worth looking at
and still easier than Plan-9.
Plan-9 would have been a fascinating concept! Too bad it never gained
any traction.
Do you think we'll ever see a new Linus Torvalds who managed to ignite
yet another OS revolution which, in time, will get major HW vendors to
join as well?
...But for all fans of linux/bsd I always recommend to buy a laptop
that's _at least_ 1 year old in order to minimize hardware issues.
STILL peeved that they mostly just do SMB-1 ... that's
just NOT good enough anymore. Oh, and forget "No
File Security" protocol, that's Last Century ......
Actually, at home on a protected network I use ftp since one of my
terminal tools is midnight commander and it works fairly well for ftp.
Out there in the wild, it's all ssh/scp.
Note, we've gone WAY beyond "Boeing" here ...
True. Maybe someone, who has the mental will and stamina should
rename the thread? ;)
On 3/16/24 8:21 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:43:04 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
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On 3/16/24 2:24 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 23:29:54 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
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On 3/15/24 2:33 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 18:55:31 -0400) it happened "68hx.1804" >>>>>> <68hx.1803@g5t6x.net> wrote in
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On 3/14/24 5:32 PM, D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024, 68hx.1804 wrote:
Before installing my good old opensuse on my then new 1 year old laptop,
I tried Freebsd just for fun and it ran surprisingly well! It had a few
rough patches but nothing that a bit of elbow grease couldn't fix, so if
it would have been my personal laptop and not my personal+business >>>>>>>> laptop I think I'd actually would have stayed with Freebsd.
The BSDs are *just* different enough from Linux to
be annoying. However they are very solid, not nearly
as prone to drastic revisions and rarely try to use
ragged-edge software. Great choice for most server
applications, and some of the newer ones now have a
very nice conventional desktop too.
When my current personal+business laptop gets retired I might try >>>>>>>> Freebsd again and by then I think those small rough patches should have
been sorted out.
Free/Open/Net ... good and solid and usually install
pretty well - but do not have as many up2date DRIVERS
so there can be weird issues there. Again I'd suggest
trying DragonFly or Ghost because the GUIs are better.
Of course if you're still a terminal-only kind of
masochist .......
Yes I run fvwm window manager with 9 virtual desktops on all my Linux systems (including Raspberries).
One desktop has xfm and icons, one I use for the browser, one for the Usenet newsreader, one has alsamixer
the rest for all sort of coding and apps, more small appps, SSH links to other things here,
there are 3 raspberries on 24/7 and 2 4 TB harddisks connected to those via 2 USB hubs.
2 8 channel ethernet switches, POE unit to connect and power remote sensors
Chinese security box with 4 security cams connected via ethernet recording via 1 raspberry,
HDMI switch wth remotee to select raspi outputs to the monitor, 2 keyboards, other controls to computers via SSH.
Easy to switch between desktops with ctlr cursor, and always full screen in each desktop.
Maybe the best thing is the RTL-SDR sticks (2 on now) that now reord my outside weather sensor,
record air traffic or I can use as spectrum analyser to see what is going on,
or for any radio broadcast between say 24 MHz and 1.6 GHz, inlcuding GPS (but there is a GPS module connected via USB
too).
Internet is 4G wireless via a Huawei USB stick.
There are raspi 'hats' I build to measure air pressure and magnetic heading..
more stuff, all runs on an UPS.
There is an IR camera connected to this raspberry too.
One raspi plays background music all the time...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/computer_table_IMX_IMG_0679.JPG
old picture, more stuff now..
There is a USB connected radiation meter logging 24/7 to one of these raspberries too:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/gamma_spectrometer_plus_probe_plus_geiger_counter_2_IMG_4185.JPG
and of course the gamma spectrometer to see what radioactive stuff is present.
all on this table :-)
There are POE powered gas sensors (CO, combustable gasses, etc) also logged,
Ethernet connection to a PC upstairs that can control my steerable satellite dish and record stuff.
Few more things...
Big PC onthe table I now only use to read and write optical disks... >>>>>> With 1000 disks by big box was full...
https://panteltje.nl/pub/CD_box_binnenkant_IXIMG_0549.JPG
so have not burned any for a while, but have used the archive.. >>>>>> goes back to the first CDs
...
better stop here..
Much and more is on my website anyways.
Um ... PLENTY of detail ! :-)
My minimal was IceWM ... and, for Pi2/3, I did not start
it automatically. You had to SSH and start it manually - THEN
VNC in for the nice GUI apps. Saved CPU for the important stuff
that way - but gave the OPTION for handy file-managers/editors
and such.
DID discover that an external USB laptop-sized drive is exactly
the same size as a Pi in its plastic case - and the Pi has just
enough power to run a 3tb unit. Rubber-band the two together.
Ran one of those as a safety backup unit in an out-building,
in case of fire and disaster. It'd pick through the main
daily backups looking for new stuff - but it had all day to
do it so the speed wasn't a big thing. Typical was 30 minutes.
Went with WiFi connection as a lightning safety factor. Worked
perfectly for about three years, then I retired. The new guy
doesn't get Linux, relies on 'cloud', so it's probably gone
by now. Actually I don't think he can write three lines of
Python, much less 'C' ... he was good with the 'cloud' stuff
and that's what the bosses wanted "for the future".
We'll see what Vlad and friends leave of that ....
Oh, weirdest thing ... didja know an ARDUINO UNO can run
a web-page/TCP-stack ? We had several spare domains, and
I wrote a minimal web page for the UNO - even a few
ASCII-art "pictures" included. That worked for a few
years until we found other uses for the domains. Look
for the "network shield" ... it's sometimes amazing
what you can do with 'minimal' computing power.
I never used the Arduino, but I have used some Arduino C++ code
and ported it to C for the Raspi.
Some driver for some chip it was IIRC.
I used that Asus eeePC as webserver for a while too
when I still had a fixed IP address
Basic webserver is no that hard to write, but now Apache runs here on a Raspberry,
and on the ISP that now hosts my website it is Apache too.
The local one I use to test things I then upload to my site via SSH.
Don't discount ARDs ... they can do amazing stuff
at a very minimal CPU/Mem/Power levels.
So far I have been able to do all the simple stuff with a Microchip 18F14K22 chip,
here a simple oscilloscope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/
not very fast, but it can also make ASCII graphics you can post to Usenet (use a fixed size font to view):
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump.txt
does Fourier transform too:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/scope_pic/screen_dump2.txt
all in PIC asm..
I built several field apps on Ards (Mega 2560 because
of the extra mem/pins). Some did their thing on a mere
5-watt PV panel, about 6x4 inches. Various temp/range
and such devices attached. This was not trivial
programming - it takes some smarts to minimize the
power requirements and handle all the interrupts.
Hand-wired/designed add-on boards were required
but they WORKED really well for YEARS out in
the boonies.
Oh, ALWAYS use the Seeed "Lipo-Rider Plus" PV/Battery
charger/regulators. They keep the voltage CORRECT.
Some others do NOT and would burn-out the boards.
My tool for all sort of communication between computers is 'netcat'.
I have written simple servers, even UDP for Microchip PICs,
but on Rspberries it is often easier to just call netcat from C.
Lots of things here use netcat, like my gas detector on one Raspberry sending status messages
to an other, all with timeout detection and alarms if the link goes dead (alarm via speaker here,
even tells you what is going on, hardware error, link lost, gas level). >>>> Written servers for example for this:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/index.html
and client software for on an other Raspberry
https://panteltje.nl/pub/boats_and_planes.gif
monitors ship and air traffic plus some, see bottom picture, humidity, time, air pressure,
GPS coordinates, collision detection, heading, pitch and roll, what not :-)
Fun stuff!
For my Ards I used Winders terminal apps. They
worked. Not great, but it was all there and EZ.
The units could interpret various commands, the
most important being "send your data and clear
memory". Had to write a kind of smart Xmodem
sort of protocol for that. The second most
important involved setting all the vars/constants
needed for the particular field situation.
Water-levels to +- 2mm no matter the air temp-
using ultrasonics rated for five times that err.
Stat techniques and understanding the sensors !
That took awhile.
Only downside - the things looked like PVC
pipe-bombs .... when I retired I had to
seriously dis-assemble them so nobody
downstream would freak out :-)
I designed a water level meter based on echo for my job once.
Think it had a 555 timer and a 4040 counter to measure the delay.
Echo meters are sensitive to junk on the water, foam, what not.
They mostly used pressure based sensors at the bottom of the water.
Was for water level control in Amsterdam, also water level in sewage puts. >> Every sensor all over the place (many) connected to a central computer.
Amsterdam is several meters below sea level, they use pumps to keep the level
in the canals, pumps controlled by the computers.
There are also simple 2 wire water sensors, based on conductance,
when the water rises the contacts got wet and a electric current via the water
was detected.
555 ... that's doing it the old-fashioned hard way !
They do have better little sonar units these days.
Try MaxBotix.
A few stat tricks deal with ripples and such.
One of the most annoying issues with sonar ranging
is AIR TEMPERATURE. For my most recent app I used
a temp-comp unit made for the sonars plus a second
independent sensor. Took awhile to tune, but got
the response basically flat-line from 32-100f
An ODD feature of such sonars, they can be very
accurate reading-2-reading - but if you RESTART
them they kinda pick a new starting value and
then read accurately from there. This can be as
bad as plus-minus 6mm depending. My units were
solar-powered, small panel, so everything shut
down between sample events.
Again, the usual stat smoothing tricks ... several
restarts per sample session. In the end I was able
to get +- 2mm in an uncontrolled field environment
which was plenty good enough - from sonar units
not rated to be that accurate in the first place.
Of late I've been seeing more 'microwave'-based
sensors that might be better than sonar. Optical
is good only until a spider builds a web. There
is also 'depth tape' - might work on capacitance.
I got the impression that water salinity level
variations will influence the reading. TDR can
work but you're not gonna get millimeter rez.
Those (expensive) piezo-based depth sensors are
popular but temperature still makes 'em drift
and you HAVE to use 'vented' ones that negate
barometric pressure issues.
On 3/16/24 10:08 AM, D wrote:
How do people deal with shifting foundations of houses given the water? Or >> maybe that is not a problem?
Hah ... sorry ... but you should have built on piers
or, ya know, all that waste styrofoam - build the
whole house on a float. Seem a similar idea from the
Dutch, but they use a concrete "float" plus corner
poles. Water/electric/etc use flex hoses. Water
comes up, the house goes up - water goes down the
house goes down until it hits solid ground again.
WOODEN houses can be raised, but a good CBC-on-slab
jobbie ... no way to raise it without almost surely
breaking it to bits until they invent 'anti-gravs'
or such (which I don't think is possible since grav
is a warp in spacetime, not some gamma ray you
can block (and create perp-motion machines thereof)).
On 3/16/24 7:24 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
When it comes to the BSDs, I never managed to get NetBSD work well, Open >>>> seems to have good support, but not a fan of the filesystem, so that's >>>> why I landed on Free. I have an Asus Expertbook and it ran fairly well. >>>The BSDs either love the old Unix file systems or want
to do everything in ZFS, which is usually over-kill
to the max.
True, but they do it really easy in the v 14 of FreeBSD. Basically the
ZFS setup for home use is automatic. But yes, I've heard of nice ZFS
setups work beautifully up to 500 TB+ or so. But at some point it does
tend to break down.
I did try "OpenIndiana"/Solaris. It's not bad, but it's
VERY different from what Linux people are used to. It
was meant for large systems - and good fuckin' luck
dealing with disks/partitions. Still worth looking at
and still easier than Plan-9.
Plan-9 would have been a fascinating concept! Too bad it never gained
any traction.
They DID port it to an IBM mainframe recently though ...
P9 is a well-constructed system, and meant for larger/
distributed implementations. It may still have a place,
and its 'relative obscurity' would enhance security.
It IS still being developed, albeit slowly. Solaris/
OpenIndiana is also still being developed and is also
a good system under the hood. Both are more "server"
systems than friendly desktop systems however.
RHEL, with the $$$ extensions, is also made for large
distributed systems. For some reason their idea of a
"friendly desktop" is the current, horrible, Gnome.
They must really hate their users ... :-)
Do you think we'll ever see a new Linus Torvalds who managed to ignite
yet another OS revolution which, in time, will get major HW vendors to
join as well?
Linus is getting old now, so I don't expect anything
really "new" from him. By best reports he's always
fighting with the younger kernel developers who
always want to break everything just to implement
some Stupid Trick.
I fear when he's out, "Linux" is going to crumble,
so keep an eye out for alternatives. As I've said
elsewhere, a PD VMS would be great, or a beefed-up
OS9. I'll likely go with a BSD, though OpenIndiana
still has some attraction. M$/Apple ... no, no, no.
People who developed on the old mainframes/minis
are most likely to create SOLID systems. Alas AGE
is creeping in fast ...
The young people generally think in terms of Eye Candy
and "everything connectivity all the time" rather than
SOLID/SAFE foundations. This WILL lead to disasters.
Their bosses are clueless, so ... well ... they have
their golden parachutes packed and ready ........
...But for all fans of linux/bsd I always recommend to buy a laptop that's >>>> _at least_ 1 year old in order to minimize hardware issues.
STILL peeved that they mostly just do SMB-1 ... that's
just NOT good enough anymore. Oh, and forget "No
File Security" protocol, that's Last Century ......
Actually, at home on a protected network I use ftp since one of my
terminal tools is midnight commander and it works fairly well for ftp.
Out there in the wild, it's all ssh/scp.
I have a variety of home units, mostly PIs now, and
use 'scp' quite often to move stuff around. MC is
still very useful too, always install it. Generally
do not install FTP(s) though. Sometime soon I will
set up a Pi5 as an SMB server to create a central
repository ... gotta get a USB SDD though. Kind of
a pity they never put real SATA or M2 on the PIs,
but I guess that's not what they're really meant for.
Gotta re-check those "BeeLink" units. THIS might be
a good Pi5 replacement :
https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-Gigabit-Ethernet-Business-Computer/dp/B0879KKTCB?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
"Mini Desktop PC has built-in 16GB DDR4, 500GB
M.2 PCIE SSD UP to 2TB, and support up to 2TB
of 2.5-inch 7mm SATA3 HDD"
But, ya know, a P4 ought to be fast enough for SMB
over WiFi ... far better choice of systems at present ...
Note, we've gone WAY beyond "Boeing" here ...
True. Maybe someone, who has the mental will and stamina should
rename the thread? ;)
Too late now .......
BUT, of course, Boeing ALSO suffers from aircraft OS
problems now as per the latest news ... so we can
feel kinda justified :-)
What we used way back for pressure were big things
not sure it worked with piezos, big membrane.
I do have a BMP180 temperature and pressure sensor module connected to a Rasberry for weather
and a compass and accelerometer module for navigation..
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
On 3/20/24 4:28 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What we used way back for pressure were big things
not sure it worked with piezos, big membrane.
I do have a BMP180 temperature and pressure sensor module connected to a Rasberry for weather
and a compass and accelerometer module for navigation..
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
I've looked at the BMP180 ... not bad, usable and CHEAP.
The big trick with sensors is to pick them based
on the particular NEED. The stuff I'd been making
were intended to produce 'scientific'-quality data,
so they had to be (or could be made) extra accurate
and consistent. "Consumer", ie "good enough", data
and you can use cheaper sensors and less fix-up.
The 'membrane' pressure sensors, still very common,
are the size of a karaoke mic. Then you have to
figure out how to drop them JUST so far, exactly.
down a little water tube and KEEP them exactly there.
I've used some commercial systems and they tend to
be a PAIN to set up/calibrate. Try to use an ordinary
laptop to do anything with them "in the field" with
full daylight blanking out your screen. "Daylight-
readable" laptops are still $$$.
If you're Shell
Oil, no prob, but for SMALL outfits ! NEVER found
one of those submersible-probe systems I liked. It's
a major reason I decided to do water-level from ABOVE
with a sonar device.
Anyhow, if you need to make 'field' devices, DO look
at the ARD 2560. Faster and much more mem/pins than
the old UNO. SOME libs might need to be tweaked though
because some functions appear on different pins than
the UNO, and the libs are still UNO-focused.
The biggest
advantage of the ARDs is that they're microCONTROLLERS
and thus have both extended capabilities with odd
external hardware AND an effective ultra-low-power
library. You can almost entirely shut 'em down - just
waiting for an interrupt from something like a
precision timer (look at "ChronoDots").
Have not looked
too much into the Pi PICO ... they may be similarly
flexible. However the ARD libraries are EXTENSIVE at
this point - often several variants for the same
basic needs. You CAN find something Just Right. The
xtra speed/mem of newer units may be power-sucking
overkill too.
My last field units, I started with just 3-Watt
PV panels - very small/cheap. However if there
were several cloudy days in a row, the LiPo
would eventually go dead. Bumping up to 5-Watt
was enough to fix it. Oh, "small" was kind of
important because being "in the field" you
did not want to DRAW ATTENTION to the things
or SOMEBODY would come by and fuck around
with them. Used green&brown paint on the
unit body too so they'd kinda disappear.
There are SD-card shields for the ARDS. Some
take micro-SD, some the larger SDs, and one
(dunno if still to be had) had ports for BOTH
kinds. You format 'em FAT preferably. The
libs are a little crude, but NOT bad. You
can do folders and appendible files easy
up to about 2tb and partition larger cards.
Never needed more than 2tb ... enough for
about three+ years of data the way I was
doing it (ascii comma-delim files). Do
zipping or binary and you could store far
more, but with more complexity.
Anyway, I always liked designing/programming/
building "field devices". Some satisfying
soldering always involved :-)
Ah ... DO get some kind of SCOPE if you're gonna
design stuff like this. Had an odd issue where
the units would reset periodically .... turned
out to be the power-surge in starting the sonar,
a VERY narrow speck of the main bus going to
zero volts. A 50 ohm resistor and the Big Suck
went away but the sonar would STILL start OK.
The other option was a special turn-on tranny
and/or a rather large storage cap that'd have
to be surge managed on start-up. Hardware is
always FUN ! Programs are logic-perfect but
analog/digital hardware has "personality".
Ah, for another unit I'd used "FRAM", ferro-electric
RAM. It's still around and used, but the capacity
is the gotcha. The PLUS is that, unlike with SD
tech, you can read/write 'em at full speed - no
delay loops - and the lifetime is almost infinite.
Serial, parallel and I2C bus versions exist. For
rapidly-changing data, that speed and lifetime thing
CAN wind up being a big thing. SD/NOR-NAND tech is not
as reliable as many imagine. Better now, but still ...
This was a machine-controller. As the characteristics
of belts/actuators/pumps/etc change over time the
secret was making constantly-updated tables of the
PWM settings so that, when needed, the fuzzy-ish
logic (technically EZ "proportional") could restart
really really close to the correct value and thus
cut out 99% of the "hunting" you usually see in
"proportional" controls. For such constantly-
updated tables, FRAM was ideal.
But maybe I'm getting too technical ...
BTW, did buy the mid-range cheap BeeLink. Seems a
fair match to the Pi5 performance-wise, but has
more features like M2 and SATA. I'll post some
notes later.
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/16/24 2:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though >>>> they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing
pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials
run on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is. Last >>> week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do we
still
have a RS6000 that will boot?'
LATEST I've been able to tell - Linux now exceeds AIX.
IBM didn't invest that much in RHEL for nothing.
It's fun to follow how IBM is now doing its best to piss off Redhat
customer with new pricing models, support models etc. Last I heard in northern europe they now kicked of the great "re-organization".
But this seems to be a law of nature.
I have also heard that broadcom is butchering VMware the same way and
that proxmox is benefitting greatly due to this.
On 3/20/24 3:11 AM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
BTW, did buy the mid-range cheap BeeLink. Seems a
fair match to the Pi5 performance-wise, but has
more features like M2 and SATA. I'll post some
notes later.
Ok, GOT the BeeLink ... "Mini-S" ... low-end
Celeron, 256gb M2, dual HDMI, allegedly one
SATA for internally-mounted thin laptop mag
or SDD drive.
Managed to install Fedora 39 without letting Winders
run for one microsecond. You've gotta tap F7 really
fast during boot with the install USB plugged in and
you get the "boot from" menu. With the Fedora installer
you DO need to use the "automatic" partitioning scheme
and "delete all" existing partitions. Boots straight-up
after that. BTRFS is the default for some reason.
Now F39 comes with the latest Gnome - which is just
HATEFUL. Did manage, eventually, to enable/install
the LXDE group and could then select LXDE on the
main login screen. It "sticks" thereafter. VNC,
alas, remains stuck on Gnome ... but you cannot
seem to run the handy GUI "dnfdragora" unless you're
IN Gnome. VERY annoying. Edited GDM for auto-
login and also installed SAMBA server.
On 3/18/24 5:10 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/16/24 2:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though >>>>> they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing >>>>> pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials run >>>>> on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is. Last >>>> week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do we
still
have a RS6000 that will boot?'
LATEST I've been able to tell - Linux now exceeds AIX.
IBM didn't invest that much in RHEL for nothing.
It's fun to follow how IBM is now doing its best to piss off Redhat
customer with new pricing models, support models etc. Last I heard in
northern europe they now kicked of the great "re-organization".
But this seems to be a law of nature.
I have also heard that broadcom is butchering VMware the same way and that >> proxmox is benefitting greatly due to this.
Hey, THEY'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY ... and M$-style pricing
and packaging plans are the current model for that.
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server
approach - puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing-
by-the-second to also revive .....
See my report on installing Fedora on my new BeeLink ...
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server approach
- puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing- by-the-second to also
revive .....
Isn't it possible during the install to select _only_ LXDE? That way you won't have a lot of the gnome crap on your system.
Now F39 comes with the latest Gnome - which is just HATEFUL. Did
manage, eventually, to enable/install the LXDE group and could then
select LXDE on the main login screen. It "sticks" thereafter. VNC,
alas, remains stuck on Gnome ... but you cannot seem to run the handy
GUI "dnfdragora" unless you're IN Gnome. VERY annoying. Edited GDM
for auto-
login and also installed SAMBA server.
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/18/24 5:10 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/16/24 2:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even
though they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing >>>>>> pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials >>>>>> run on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is.
Last
week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do
we still
have a RS6000 that will boot?'
LATEST I've been able to tell - Linux now exceeds AIX.
IBM didn't invest that much in RHEL for nothing.
It's fun to follow how IBM is now doing its best to piss off Redhat
customer with new pricing models, support models etc. Last I heard in
northern europe they now kicked of the great "re-organization".
But this seems to be a law of nature.
I have also heard that broadcom is butchering VMware the same way and
that proxmox is benefitting greatly due to this.
Hey, THEY'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY ... and M$-style pricing
and packaging plans are the current model for that.
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server
approach - puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing-
by-the-second to also revive .....
See my report on installing Fedora on my new BeeLink ...
Reminds me when I was selling a VDI solution to a customer with Nvidia
cards _until_ I discovered the licensing of the Nvidia cars and that was
the end of that transaction. ;)
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 03:47:01 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server approach
- puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing- by-the-second to also
revive .....
AWS is already there.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/ USER_OnDemandDBInstances.html
"Pricing is listed on a per-hour basis, but bills are calculated down to
the second and show times in decimal form. Amazon RDS usage is billed in one-second increments, with a minimum of 10 minutes."
Companies have found that the convenience of 'the cloud' can be very expensive. I had a free account that Amazon offered to Prime customers for
a year. It was easy to wander into non-free areas if you weren't careful.
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/20/24 3:11 AM, 68hx.1805 wrote:
BTW, did buy the mid-range cheap BeeLink. Seems a
fair match to the Pi5 performance-wise, but has
more features like M2 and SATA. I'll post some
notes later.
Ok, GOT the BeeLink ... "Mini-S" ... low-end
Celeron, 256gb M2, dual HDMI, allegedly one
SATA for internally-mounted thin laptop mag
or SDD drive.
Managed to install Fedora 39 without letting Winders
run for one microsecond. You've gotta tap F7 really
fast during boot with the install USB plugged in and
you get the "boot from" menu. With the Fedora installer
you DO need to use the "automatic" partitioning scheme
and "delete all" existing partitions. Boots straight-up
after that. BTRFS is the default for some reason.
Now F39 comes with the latest Gnome - which is just
HATEFUL. Did manage, eventually, to enable/install
the LXDE group and could then select LXDE on the
main login screen. It "sticks" thereafter. VNC,
alas, remains stuck on Gnome ... but you cannot
seem to run the handy GUI "dnfdragora" unless you're
IN Gnome. VERY annoying. Edited GDM for auto-
login and also installed SAMBA server.
Isn't it possible during the install to select _only_ LXDE? That way you won't have a lot of the gnome crap on your system.
And when it comes to VNC, do you mean the remote desktop application and that it requires gnome?
Maybe you could go with X and just use that for remote graphicapplications?
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 03:33:49 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Now F39 comes with the latest Gnome - which is just HATEFUL. Did
manage, eventually, to enable/install the LXDE group and could then
select LXDE on the main login screen. It "sticks" thereafter. VNC,
alas, remains stuck on Gnome ... but you cannot seem to run the handy
GUI "dnfdragora" unless you're IN Gnome. VERY annoying. Edited GDM
for auto-
login and also installed SAMBA server.
I put Ubuntu on the BeeLink but I had an older Dell box that I upgraded
with a better Core i5, 16 GB of RAM, and a 1 TB SATA SSD that I put Fedora on. However I went with the KDE spin. There are several spins for
desktops other than Gnome.
BeeLink has really expanded. When I got the SER 4 there weren't many
options. It has a Ryzen 7. The Windows 11 didn't last long. There was some question about exactly how Windows was licensed and I certainly wouldn't
want to run an illegal copy :)
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:47:37 +0100, D wrote:
Isn't it possible during the install to select _only_ LXDE? That way you
won't have a lot of the gnome crap on your system.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
I went with the KDE spin.
On 3/22/24 12:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 03:47:01 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server approach >>> - puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing- by-the-second to also >>> revive .....
AWS is already there.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/
USER_OnDemandDBInstances.html
"Pricing is listed on a per-hour basis, but bills are calculated down to
the second and show times in decimal form. Amazon RDS usage is billed in
one-second increments, with a minimum of 10 minutes."
Yep, there it is .....
And don't forget those hidden fees for "extra services",
lots of $$$ in those !
Companies have found that the convenience of 'the cloud' can be very
expensive. I had a free account that Amazon offered to Prime customers for >> a year. It was easy to wander into non-free areas if you weren't careful.
See paragraph 2 :-)
On 3/22/24 5:48 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/18/24 5:10 AM, D wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/16/24 2:38 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:49:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
IBM has its own OS for its super-cluster mainframes,
but the Most Popular is Linux ... basically now RHEL even though >>>>>>> they
name it different. This is basically the top of the computing >>>>>>> pyramid. The mainframes run on it, the semi-smart peripherials run
on
it, hell your cheepo printer runs on it.
AIX is still around but I don't know what its share of IBM iron is. >>>>>> Last
week when we were moving machines around the question came up 'Do we >>>>>> still
have a RS6000 that will boot?'
LATEST I've been able to tell - Linux now exceeds AIX.
IBM didn't invest that much in RHEL for nothing.
It's fun to follow how IBM is now doing its best to piss off Redhat
customer with new pricing models, support models etc. Last I heard in
northern europe they now kicked of the great "re-organization".
But this seems to be a law of nature.
I have also heard that broadcom is butchering VMware the same way and
that proxmox is benefitting greatly due to this.
Hey, THEY'RE IN IT FOR THE MONEY ... and M$-style pricing
and packaging plans are the current model for that.
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server
approach - puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing-
by-the-second to also revive .....
See my report on installing Fedora on my new BeeLink ...
Reminds me when I was selling a VDI solution to a customer with Nvidia
cards _until_ I discovered the licensing of the Nvidia cars and that was
the end of that transaction. ;)
Well, for AWHILE, you used to buy hardware/software
and it was YOURS. Alas not enough $$$ in that - so
they've gone back to the old rip-ya-off method. The
rise of 'online services' called the tune and now
everyone is singing along. The more confused you can
make the victims about what they're actually buying
the better (the phone companies were best at that,
but M$ quickly caught up).
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
Strange how similar thoughts spread at similar times. ;) I had the same thoughts a year ago when deciding what to go for on my new work laptop.
I did look at slck, alpine and did experiment briefly with FreeBSD.
I'd say that with a 1 year old laptop and Freebsd 15, it is very much
ready to be used as a daily driver. At that time, the only thing that
did not work out of the box was wifi with the n-standard. Out of the box
was g which is too slow for me. You could work around with PCI
passthrough to a VM that ran a minimal alpine linux with only the linux
wifi driver. They packages it so making it work was just a few commands,
but it just felt wrong.
But if opensuse starts experimenting with containerized distros with r/o root, freebsd would definitely be at the top of my list along with
alpine linux. Slck is also refreshingly "classic".
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/22/24 12:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 03:47:01 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server approach >>>> - puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing- by-the-second to also >>>> revive .....
AWS is already there.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/
USER_OnDemandDBInstances.html
"Pricing is listed on a per-hour basis, but bills are calculated down to >>> the second and show times in decimal form. Amazon RDS usage is billed in >>> one-second increments, with a minimum of 10 minutes."
Yep, there it is .....
And don't forget those hidden fees for "extra services",
lots of $$$ in those !
Companies have found that the convenience of 'the cloud' can be verySee paragraph 2 :-)
expensive. I had a free account that Amazon offered to Prime customers for >>> a year. It was easy to wander into non-free areas if you weren't careful. >>
That's at least one advantage of northern europe. 100 Mbps internet is
pretty common (max I have heard of is 10 Gbps fiber to someones home), so >absolutely no need for "the cloud" for personal hosting. =)
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/22/24 12:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 03:47:01 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The "new model" seems a regression to the old Client/Server
approach
- puts THEM totally in-charge. Expect billing- by-the-second to >>>> also
revive .....
AWS is already there.
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/
USER_OnDemandDBInstances.html
"Pricing is listed on a per-hour basis, but bills are calculated down to >>> the second and show times in decimal form. Amazon RDS usage is billed in >>> one-second increments, with a minimum of 10 minutes."
Yep, there it is .....
And don't forget those hidden fees for "extra services",
lots of $$$ in those !
Companies have found that the convenience of 'the cloud' can be very
expensive. I had a free account that Amazon offered to Prime
customers for
a year. It was easy to wander into non-free areas if you weren't
careful.
See paragraph 2 :-)
That's at least one advantage of northern europe. 100 Mbps internet is
pretty common (max I have heard of is 10 Gbps fiber to someones home),
so absolutely no need for "the cloud" for personal hosting. =)
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 02:14:04 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE spin, but
it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to run the Anaconda
installer from terminal, but it CRASHED about halfway through. Still
can't get a EXT4 root part, the installer doesn't see all the space
at all. The install also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to
manually select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
The KDE spin worked for me. I did the straight Python installation not Anaconda. I've been playing with PySide6 and conda doesn't work very well when installing it. The venv system where the activate is in the project directory works a little better for me too.
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE spin, but
it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to run the Anaconda
installer from terminal, but it CRASHED about halfway through. Still
can't get a EXT4 root part, the installer doesn't see all the space
at all. The install also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to
manually select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
I had cable for a while, always problems, long ago in Amsterdam I wanted
to watch Reagan but the cable guys switched stuff off late at night,
at the previous address cable got cut by accident, then there was some
merger and nothing worked right for a long time.
Neighbor, who was a truck driver, pointed me to a 4G wireless service,
moved to it and in now 5 years never a problem,
and not stuck to your home location, works everywhere with just a 4G USB stick..
What bugs me with todays internet and browsers is that if you just watch
the latest news and weather I see I used
today download 37.57 MB upload 4.14 MB total 41.71 MB
It is 6:22 in the morning, so mere to come..
OTOH I still am below my 10 GB / month limit.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 05:41:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I had cable for a while, always problems, long ago in Amsterdam I wanted
to watch Reagan but the cable guys switched stuff off late at night,
at the previous address cable got cut by accident, then there was some
merger and nothing worked right for a long time.
Neighbor, who was a truck driver, pointed me to a 4G wireless service,
moved to it and in now 5 years never a problem,
and not stuck to your home location, works everywhere with just a 4G USB
stick..
What bugs me with todays internet and browsers is that if you just watch
the latest news and weather I see I used
today download 37.57 MB upload 4.14 MB total 41.71 MB
It is 6:22 in the morning, so mere to come..
OTOH I still am below my 10 GB / month limit.
I'm at the end of the proverbial 'last mile'. No DSL, no fiber, and not >enough people that they will be stringing it any time soon so I'm on 4G. >There may be a newer version but the MiFi I use is
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/verizon-jetpack-mifi-7730l
I think it will accept 15 WiFi connections but I've never maxxed it out. I >get 100 GB / month for $90. As you said when I'm traveling it works >everywhere including motels with crappy wifi.
Many of my neighbors have dishes but I'm not into TV and there are few
that are strictly data. You often have to wait for a slot to open plus
there are problems with snow and other atmospheric conditions. 4G
sometimes is a problem with dense fog or heavy rain but it's mostly good.
On 3/23/24 10:07 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
Strange how similar thoughts spread at similar times. ;) I had the same
thoughts a year ago when deciding what to go for on my new work laptop.
I did look at slck, alpine and did experiment briefly with FreeBSD.
I'd say that with a 1 year old laptop and Freebsd 15, it is very much
ready to be used as a daily driver. At that time, the only thing that
did not work out of the box was wifi with the n-standard. Out of the box
was g which is too slow for me. You could work around with PCI
passthrough to a VM that ran a minimal alpine linux with only the linux
wifi driver. They packages it so making it work was just a few commands,
but it just felt wrong.
But if opensuse starts experimenting with containerized distros with r/o
root, freebsd would definitely be at the top of my list along with
alpine linux. Slck is also refreshingly "classic".
I did warn somewhere that the BSDs are "behind the curve"
when it comes to drivers ...
Sorry, NOT gonna tweak and recompile half the damned system.
Can't update fer crap after that either ...
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE
spin, but it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to
run the Anaconda installer from terminal, but it CRASHED
about halfway through. Still can't get a EXT4 root part,
the installer doesn't see all the space at all. The install
also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to manually
select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
Trying XFCE now ...
If that craps - EndeavourOS
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 05:41:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I had cable for a while, always problems, long ago in Amsterdam I wanted
to watch Reagan but the cable guys switched stuff off late at night,
at the previous address cable got cut by accident, then there was some
merger and nothing worked right for a long time.
Neighbor, who was a truck driver, pointed me to a 4G wireless service,
moved to it and in now 5 years never a problem,
and not stuck to your home location, works everywhere with just a 4G USB
stick..
What bugs me with todays internet and browsers is that if you just watch
the latest news and weather I see I used
today download 37.57 MB upload 4.14 MB total 41.71 MB
It is 6:22 in the morning, so mere to come..
OTOH I still am below my 10 GB / month limit.
I'm at the end of the proverbial 'last mile'. No DSL, no fiber, and not enough people that they will be stringing it any time soon so I'm on 4G. There may be a newer version but the MiFi I use is
https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/verizon-jetpack-mifi-7730l
I think it will accept 15 WiFi connections but I've never maxxed it out. I get 100 GB / month for $90. As you said when I'm traveling it works everywhere including motels with crappy wifi.
Many of my neighbors have dishes but I'm not into TV and there are few
that are strictly data. You often have to wait for a slot to open plus
there are problems with snow and other atmospheric conditions. 4G
sometimes is a problem with dense fog or heavy rain but it's mostly good.
100 GB for 90 USD? Ouch! In sweden I think you get 200 GB for 25 USD. I currently have 100 Mbit fiber, but would actually be quite happy with
4G.
Report : The XFCE spin works perfectly. The installer still strongly
pushes for BTRFS though, which is OK at this point, but not my fave.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 03:51:41 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Report : The XFCE spin works perfectly. The installer still strongly
pushes for BTRFS though, which is OK at this point, but not my fave.
When I installed OpenSUSE 13.2 years ago it defaulted to btrfs. All went
well until it rebooted, got to grub, and went black screen. After fiddling around for a while I redid it with ext4 and all was good.
Prior to that I'd been using ReiserFS but the liberals got all upset just because he strangled his wife.
Maybe she was a harpy ?
I used to use RFS ... good ... but wasn't it one of those where you
could not SHRINK a partition, like XFS ?
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/23/24 10:07 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
Strange how similar thoughts spread at similar times. ;) I had the same
thoughts a year ago when deciding what to go for on my new work laptop.
I did look at slck, alpine and did experiment briefly with FreeBSD.
I'd say that with a 1 year old laptop and Freebsd 15, it is very much
ready to be used as a daily driver. At that time, the only thing that
did not work out of the box was wifi with the n-standard. Out of the box >>> was g which is too slow for me. You could work around with PCI
passthrough to a VM that ran a minimal alpine linux with only the linux
wifi driver. They packages it so making it work was just a few commands, >>> but it just felt wrong.
But if opensuse starts experimenting with containerized distros with r/o >>> root, freebsd would definitely be at the top of my list along with
alpine linux. Slck is also refreshingly "classic".
I did warn somewhere that the BSDs are "behind the curve"
when it comes to drivers ...
Sorry, NOT gonna tweak and recompile half the damned system.
Can't update fer crap after that either ...
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE
spin, but it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to
run the Anaconda installer from terminal, but it CRASHED
about halfway through. Still can't get a EXT4 root part,
the installer doesn't see all the space at all. The install
also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to manually
select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
Trying XFCE now ...
If that craps - EndeavourOS
What? I thought fedora was a pretty stable experience on modern
hardware. Never thought it would behave the way you describe. =(
On 3/24/24 3:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 03:51:41 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Report : The XFCE spin works perfectly. The installer still strongly >>> pushes for BTRFS though, which is OK at this point, but not my fave.
When I installed OpenSUSE 13.2 years ago it defaulted to btrfs. All went
well until it rebooted, got to grub, and went black screen. After fiddling >> around for a while I redid it with ext4 and all was good.
BTRFS, which I consider a 'poor-mans ZFS', has been cooking
for a long time now. I *think* it's now serviceable - but,
if not huge trauma, I still pref EXT4. The super-duper secret
powers of BTRFS are rarely what Joe User actually needs or
will ever use ... ergo it's lots of potentially-buggy code
that'll never actually be leveraged.
Prior to that I'd been using ReiserFS but the liberals got all upset just
because he strangled his wife.
Maybe she was a harpy ? :-)
I used to use RFS ... good ... but wasn't it one of those
where you could not SHRINK a partition, like XFS ?
On 3/24/24 7:11 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/23/24 10:07 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
Strange how similar thoughts spread at similar times. ;) I had the same >>>> thoughts a year ago when deciding what to go for on my new work laptop. >>>> I did look at slck, alpine and did experiment briefly with FreeBSD.
I'd say that with a 1 year old laptop and Freebsd 15, it is very much
ready to be used as a daily driver. At that time, the only thing that
did not work out of the box was wifi with the n-standard. Out of the box >>>> was g which is too slow for me. You could work around with PCI
passthrough to a VM that ran a minimal alpine linux with only the linux >>>> wifi driver. They packages it so making it work was just a few commands, >>>> but it just felt wrong.
But if opensuse starts experimenting with containerized distros with r/o >>>> root, freebsd would definitely be at the top of my list along with
alpine linux. Slck is also refreshingly "classic".
I did warn somewhere that the BSDs are "behind the curve"
when it comes to drivers ...
Sorry, NOT gonna tweak and recompile half the damned system.
Can't update fer crap after that either ...
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE
spin, but it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to
run the Anaconda installer from terminal, but it CRASHED
about halfway through. Still can't get a EXT4 root part,
the installer doesn't see all the space at all. The install
also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to manually
select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
Trying XFCE now ...
If that craps - EndeavourOS
What? I thought fedora was a pretty stable experience on modern hardware.
Never thought it would behave the way you describe. =(
Well ... 39 is still fairly 'new' and the LXDE 'spin' even
had warnings that it was really 'beta' or maybe worse. Went
with the XFCE 'spin' and it WAS ready and so far is working
just as it should. Still much more straight-up/usable than
Gnome ! Looks to be a good choice for the Bee boards. The
default install is kinda 'medium', but you can add or
subtract as needed after that.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 03:51:41 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Report : The XFCE spin works perfectly. The installer still strongly
pushes for BTRFS though, which is OK at this point, but not my fave.
When I installed OpenSUSE 13.2 years ago it defaulted to btrfs. All went
well until it rebooted, got to grub, and went black screen. After fiddling around for a while I redid it with ext4 and all was good.
Prior to that I'd been using ReiserFS but the liberals got all upset just because he strangled his wife.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 12:15:30 +0100, D wrote:
100 GB for 90 USD? Ouch! In sweden I think you get 200 GB for 25 USD. I
currently have 100 Mbit fiber, but would actually be quite happy with
4G.
Damn socialists :) I was happy to get it. I'd been on 10 GB for $30. It
was like pulling teeth to get Verizon to show a data plan that wasn't
linked to a phone plan.
It's complicated. I use Mint Mobile for the phone. It's prepaid and
cheaper than what Verizon or T-Mobile offer for phones. Many of them are family programs with 4 lines that don't do me any good. To really get ridiculous Mint uses the T-Mobile network and was recently bought by T- Mobile.
https://www.fiercewireless.com/operators/at-t-to-pay-1-5m-to-settle-d-c- lawsuit-for-overcharging-mobile-service
The government only gets interested when it's their ox being gored. Not
much has changed since the Bell System was a complete monopoly.
Don't worry, let's compared taxes and you'll soon feel better! Well, actually due to me moving away from sweden, and incorporating my life,
they are now pretty low, but when I was living in sweden they would be a "cool" 65% or so.
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/24/24 7:11 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/23/24 10:07 AM, D wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Worm is 'degenerate' ... Deb clearly hired Canonical
rejects and should be ASHAMED ! NEXT system should be an
improved BullsEye, not anything built over Worm. If not,
well, I'll never use their branch of Linux again. I do
not take kindly to malfeasance - to being FUCKED.
Arch and Slack are looking better and better and even BSDs.
I've even been checking the BeOS and AmigaOS reincarnations
for something practical/sane/ideologically-stable. There
are also oddies like GenToo ... but don't love its
Portage system all that much.
Strange how similar thoughts spread at similar times. ;) I had the
same
thoughts a year ago when deciding what to go for on my new work
laptop.
I did look at slck, alpine and did experiment briefly with FreeBSD.
I'd say that with a 1 year old laptop and Freebsd 15, it is very much >>>>> ready to be used as a daily driver. At that time, the only thing that >>>>> did not work out of the box was wifi with the n-standard. Out of
the box
was g which is too slow for me. You could work around with PCI
passthrough to a VM that ran a minimal alpine linux with only the
linux
wifi driver. They packages it so making it work was just a few
commands,
but it just felt wrong.
But if opensuse starts experimenting with containerized distros
with r/o
root, freebsd would definitely be at the top of my list along with
alpine linux. Slck is also refreshingly "classic".
I did warn somewhere that the BSDs are "behind the curve"
when it comes to drivers ...
Sorry, NOT gonna tweak and recompile half the damned system.
Can't update fer crap after that either ...
Ah, Fedora, you have to download a "spin". Tried the LXDE
spin, but it's really not ready for prime time yet. Had to
run the Anaconda installer from terminal, but it CRASHED
about halfway through. Still can't get a EXT4 root part,
the installer doesn't see all the space at all. The install
also warns that it is like a "beta". Also had to manually
select LXDE desktop in the installer or all we got was a
terminal-only install.
Trying XFCE now ...
If that craps - EndeavourOS
What? I thought fedora was a pretty stable experience on modern
hardware. Never thought it would behave the way you describe. =(
Well ... 39 is still fairly 'new' and the LXDE 'spin' even
had warnings that it was really 'beta' or maybe worse. Went
with the XFCE 'spin' and it WAS ready and so far is working
just as it should. Still much more straight-up/usable than
Gnome ! Looks to be a good choice for the Bee boards. The
default install is kinda 'medium', but you can add or
subtract as needed after that.
Ahh, got it. Thank you very much for the clarification!
The one obvious
downside of the BMax i3 is that the pix DID show a cooling fan, while
the Bee I bought is fanless/silent.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:05:04 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The one obvious
downside of the BMax i3 is that the pix DID show a cooling fan, while
the Bee I bought is fanless/silent.
The one I have with the Ryzen 7 does have a fan. People have complained
about the noise possibly when running video games. The only time I hear it
is during a reboot when there is a whooosh sound that lasts about a
second. That may be part of a POST to make sure it still has a fan. A
couple of times I've noticed hot air coming out the back but couldn't hear any fan noise.
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Mar 2024 02:18:29 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <wI2dnS8PTcioTGb4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/20/24 4:28 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What we used way back for pressure were big things
not sure it worked with piezos, big membrane.
I do have a BMP180 temperature and pressure sensor module connected to a Rasberry for weather
and a compass and accelerometer module for navigation..
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
I've looked at the BMP180 ... not bad, usable and CHEAP.
The big trick with sensors is to pick them based
on the particular NEED. The stuff I'd been making
were intended to produce 'scientific'-quality data,
so they had to be (or could be made) extra accurate
and consistent. "Consumer", ie "good enough", data
and you can use cheaper sensors and less fix-up.
Yep for scientific applications other rules apply.
The 'membrane' pressure sensors, still very common,
are the size of a karaoke mic. Then you have to
figure out how to drop them JUST so far, exactly.
down a little water tube and KEEP them exactly there.
Indeed, those big ones are the ones I meant,
In a canal a fixed depth is easy to accomplish, same for in sewage puts.
But that was late seventies, so no idea what they use now.
Big waste water purifying plant was there too.
I have read that these days water is still contaminated with agricultural weed destroying chemicals here in some places..
Very hard to get those out in a purifying plant. so many complex chemicals.
I've used some commercial systems and they tend to
be a PAIN to set up/calibrate. Try to use an ordinary
laptop to do anything with them "in the field" with
full daylight blanking out your screen. "Daylight-
readable" laptops are still $$$.
I have a Samsung laptop with a near perfect daylight readable screen, no reflections at all,
now about ten years old, it is no longer made, bought it after a positive review that by some person on the internet that seemed honest,
now runs Ubuntu, is a core I5 with also a second graphics card.
Its is beginning to mechanically fall apart a bit these days. very intensively used,
Huawei 4G USB stick in it and I am online everywhere here.
If you're Shell
Oil, no prob, but for SMALL outfits ! NEVER found
one of those submersible-probe systems I liked. It's
a major reason I decided to do water-level from ABOVE
with a sonar device.
Yep way to go.
Anyhow, if you need to make 'field' devices, DO look
at the ARD 2560. Faster and much more mem/pins than
the old UNO. SOME libs might need to be tweaked though
because some functions appear on different pins than
the UNO, and the libs are still UNO-focused.
I am sort of addicted now to Microchip PICs.
The 18F14K22 has 4 12 bit ADC channels, a PWM generator, internal reference voltage,
an 8 bit DAC, 2 hardware comparators that can also reset the PWM (to use cycle by cycle current limiting for example)
and has a build in PLL that makes a 64 MHz clock from the internal oscillator.
I program it in asm so no compile overhead, can do with that chip as I like.
The biggest
advantage of the ARDs is that they're microCONTROLLERS
and thus have both extended capabilities with odd
external hardware AND an effective ultra-low-power
library. You can almost entirely shut 'em down - just
waiting for an interrupt from something like a
precision timer (look at "ChronoDots").
Same, the PIC has a next to zero power consumption in sleep mode, will run on 3 or 5 V.
Boot time: milliseconds..
Have not looked
too much into the Pi PICO ... they may be similarly
flexible. However the ARD libraries are EXTENSIVE at
this point - often several variants for the same
basic needs. You CAN find something Just Right. The
xtra speed/mem of newer units may be power-sucking
overkill too.
I never used the PICO, nothing there attracts me, too complex.
I do have 5 Raspberries., 3 on 24/7, one Pi4 8 GB I post this with and browse the web:
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
My last field units, I started with just 3-Watt
PV panels - very small/cheap. However if there
were several cloudy days in a row, the LiPo
would eventually go dead. Bumping up to 5-Watt
was enough to fix it. Oh, "small" was kind of
important because being "in the field" you
did not want to DRAW ATTENTION to the things
or SOMEBODY would come by and fuck around
with them. Used green&brown paint on the
unit body too so they'd kinda disappear.
Yea
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/
small lipo powers it.. Must have had more than a thousand charge-discharge cycles by now...
There are SD-card shields for the ARDS. Some
take micro-SD, some the larger SDs, and one
(dunno if still to be had) had ports for BOTH
kinds. You format 'em FAT preferably. The
libs are a little crude, but NOT bad. You
can do folders and appendible files easy
up to about 2tb and partition larger cards.
Never needed more than 2tb ... enough for
about three+ years of data the way I was
doing it (ascii comma-delim files). Do
zipping or binary and you could store far
more, but with more complexity.
That GM thing can log to SD card too (see schematic)
I use no file system, just one sector of 512 bytes per 'record'
where a records hold the GPS location, radiation level, and some stuff. Plenty of memory space and fast as lightning.
With no SDcard inserted it can log a day long to the build in 24LC1025 EEPROM
https://www.microchip.com/en-us/product/24lc1025.
You only need filesystems (and all their problems) if you need
to store multiple complicated (bloat? ;-)
Even my drone controller uses a 512 bytes sector per record,
GPS location, altitude, direction, a lot fits in 512 bytes.
PIC as audio amp:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/audio_pic/
Anyway, I always liked designing/programming/
building "field devices". Some satisfying
soldering always involved :-)
Yep, I started soldering at about out 6 years old, with a screw driver as solder iron heated in the coal fire we had at home back then.
mama would not et me use daddies soldering iron, so had to find an other solution..
Soldering is fun, melting solder with an ebay induction generator:
https://panteltje.online/pub/crucible_with_molten_solder_IMG_5439.JPG
Like one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=induction+heater+module&_sacat=0
Make your own RF transformers with it..
https://panteltje.online/pub/induction_heater_quadcopter_power_dummy_load_test_IMG_6102.JPG
Meanwell power supplies are cheap and reliable.
Raspberry PI flat cable connector on the left, 1.5 GHz stuff on the right:
https://panteltje.online/pub/test_board_wiring_side_IMG_3921.GIF
https://panteltje.online/pub/test_board_component_side_1_IMG_3911.GIF
Ah ... DO get some kind of SCOPE if you're gonna
design stuff like this. Had an odd issue where
the units would reset periodically .... turned
out to be the power-surge in starting the sonar,
a VERY narrow speck of the main bus going to
zero volts. A 50 ohm resistor and the Big Suck
went away but the sonar would STILL start OK.
The other option was a special turn-on tranny
and/or a rather large storage cap that'd have
to be surge managed on start-up. Hardware is
always FUN ! Programs are logic-perfect but
analog/digital hardware has "personality".
Yep, I still use an old Trio dual trace 10 MHz scope, it actually goes to 20 MHz or so
You can do analog TV with it too, with just a few transistors added:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/scope_tv/index.html
For anything above 25 MHz I use RTL-SDR USB sticks and the spectrum analyzer I wrote:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xpsa/index.html
Here with that Samsung laptop:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/testing_with_my_spectrum_analyzer_IMG_3918.GIF
Ah, for another unit I'd used "FRAM", ferro-electric
RAM. It's still around and used, but the capacity
is the gotcha. The PLUS is that, unlike with SD
tech, you can read/write 'em at full speed - no
delay loops - and the lifetime is almost infinite.
Serial, parallel and I2C bus versions exist. For
rapidly-changing data, that speed and lifetime thing
CAN wind up being a big thing. SD/NOR-NAND tech is not
as reliable as many imagine. Better now, but still ...
Never used that.. Seems interesting.
This was a machine-controller. As the characteristics
of belts/actuators/pumps/etc change over time the
secret was making constantly-updated tables of the
PWM settings so that, when needed, the fuzzy-ish
logic (technically EZ "proportional") could restart
really really close to the correct value and thus
cut out 99% of the "hunting" you usually see in
"proportional" controls. For such constantly-
updated tables, FRAM was ideal.
I have used static RAM in some projects, needs battery backup, the yellow thing, nicad:
https://panteltje.online//pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_inside_img_1727.jpg
Soldering and wiring:
https://panteltje.online//pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_wiring_img_1756.jpg
It is from around 1985, tested a few years back, recharged Nicad battery and it still worked,
used it to control things in my house back then, all remotely via I2C via an audio cable.
But maybe I'm getting too technical ...
LOL, what groups are we in, lemme see:
heh
I did read biden is stuffing billions into Intel chip tech to get it home. Maybe posting to politics can make some people change area of interest to electronics, could help!
It is an evolving field, but once you get the very basics it is fun, make almost anything you want.
On 3/26/24 12:13 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Mar 2024 02:18:29 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<wI2dnS8PTcioTGb4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/20/24 4:28 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
What we used way back for pressure were big things
not sure it worked with piezos, big membrane.
I do have a BMP180 temperature and pressure sensor module connected to a Raspberry for weather
and a compass and accelerometer module for navigation..
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
I've looked at the BMP180 ... not bad, usable and CHEAP.
The big trick with sensors is to pick them based
on the particular NEED. The stuff I'd been making
were intended to produce 'scientific'-quality data,
so they had to be (or could be made) extra accurate
and consistent. "Consumer", ie "good enough", data
and you can use cheaper sensors and less fix-up.
Yep for scientific applications other rules apply.
The 'membrane' pressure sensors, still very common,
are the size of a karaoke mic. Then you have to
figure out how to drop them JUST so far, exactly.
down a little water tube and KEEP them exactly there.
Indeed, those big ones are the ones I meant,
In a canal a fixed depth is easy to accomplish, same for in sewage puts.
But that was late seventies, so no idea what they use now.
Big waste water purifying plant was there too.
I have read that these days water is still contaminated with agricultural weed destroying chemicals here in some places..
Very hard to get those out in a purifying plant. so many complex chemicals. >>
I've used some commercial systems and they tend to
be a PAIN to set up/calibrate. Try to use an ordinary
laptop to do anything with them "in the field" with
full daylight blanking out your screen. "Daylight-
readable" laptops are still $$$.
I have a Samsung laptop with a near perfect daylight readable screen, no reflections at all,
now about ten years old, it is no longer made, bought it after a positive review that by some person on the internet that
seemed honest,
now runs Ubuntu, is a core I5 with also a second graphics card.
Its is beginning to mechanically fall apart a bit these days. very intensively used,
Huawei 4G USB stick in it and I am online everywhere here.
If you're Shell
Oil, no prob, but for SMALL outfits ! NEVER found
one of those submersible-probe systems I liked. It's
a major reason I decided to do water-level from ABOVE
with a sonar device.
Yep way to go.
Anyhow, if you need to make 'field' devices, DO look
at the ARD 2560. Faster and much more mem/pins than
the old UNO. SOME libs might need to be tweaked though
because some functions appear on different pins than
the UNO, and the libs are still UNO-focused.
I am sort of addicted now to Microchip PICs.
The 18F14K22 has 4 12 bit ADC channels, a PWM generator, internal reference voltage,
an 8 bit DAC, 2 hardware comparators that can also reset the PWM (to use cycle by cycle current limiting for example)
and has a build in PLL that makes a 64 MHz clock from the internal oscillator.
I program it in asm so no compile overhead, can do with that chip as I like. >>
The biggest
advantage of the ARDs is that they're microCONTROLLERS
and thus have both extended capabilities with odd
external hardware AND an effective ultra-low-power
library. You can almost entirely shut 'em down - just
waiting for an interrupt from something like a
precision timer (look at "ChronoDots").
Same, the PIC has a next to zero power consumption in sleep mode, will run on 3 or 5 V.
Boot time: milliseconds..
Have not looked
too much into the Pi PICO ... they may be similarly
flexible. However the ARD libraries are EXTENSIVE at
this point - often several variants for the same
basic needs. You CAN find something Just Right. The
xtra speed/mem of newer units may be power-sucking
overkill too.
I never used the PICO, nothing there attracts me, too complex.
I do have 5 Raspberries., 3 on 24/7, one Pi4 8 GB I post this with and browse the web:
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
My last field units, I started with just 3-Watt
PV panels - very small/cheap. However if there
were several cloudy days in a row, the LiPo
would eventually go dead. Bumping up to 5-Watt
was enough to fix it. Oh, "small" was kind of
important because being "in the field" you
did not want to DRAW ATTENTION to the things
or SOMEBODY would come by and fuck around
with them. Used green&brown paint on the
unit body too so they'd kinda disappear.
Yea
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/gm_pic2/
small lipo powers it.. Must have had more than a thousand charge-discharge cycles by now...
There are SD-card shields for the ARDS. Some
take micro-SD, some the larger SDs, and one
(dunno if still to be had) had ports for BOTH
kinds. You format 'em FAT preferably. The
libs are a little crude, but NOT bad. You
can do folders and appendible files easy
up to about 2tb and partition larger cards.
Never needed more than 2tb ... enough for
about three+ years of data the way I was
doing it (ascii comma-delim files). Do
zipping or binary and you could store far
more, but with more complexity.
That GM thing can log to SD card too (see schematic)
I use no file system, just one sector of 512 bytes per 'record'
where a records hold the GPS location, radiation level, and some stuff.
Plenty of memory space and fast as lightning.
With no SDcard inserted it can log a day long to the build in 24LC1025 EEPROM
https://www.microchip.com/en-us/product/24lc1025.
You only need filesystems (and all their problems) if you need
to store multiple complicated (bloat? ;-)
Even my drone controller uses a 512 bytes sector per record,
GPS location, altitude, direction, a lot fits in 512 bytes.
PIC as audio amp:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/pic/audio_pic/
Anyway, I always liked designing/programming/
building "field devices". Some satisfying
soldering always involved :-)
Yep, I started soldering at about out 6 years old, with a screw driver as solder iron heated in the coal fire we had at home
back then.
mama would not et me use daddies soldering iron, so had to find an other solution..
Soldering is fun, melting solder with an ebay induction generator:
https://panteltje.online/pub/crucible_with_molten_solder_IMG_5439.JPG
Like one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=induction+heater+module&_sacat=0
Make your own RF transformers with it..
https://panteltje.online/pub/induction_heater_quadcopter_power_dummy_load_test_IMG_6102.JPG
Meanwell power supplies are cheap and reliable.
Raspberry PI flat cable connector on the left, 1.5 GHz stuff on the right: >> https://panteltje.online/pub/test_board_wiring_side_IMG_3921.GIF
https://panteltje.online/pub/test_board_component_side_1_IMG_3911.GIF
Ah ... DO get some kind of SCOPE if you're gonna
design stuff like this. Had an odd issue where
the units would reset periodically .... turned
out to be the power-surge in starting the sonar,
a VERY narrow speck of the main bus going to
zero volts. A 50 ohm resistor and the Big Suck
went away but the sonar would STILL start OK.
The other option was a special turn-on tranny
and/or a rather large storage cap that'd have
to be surge managed on start-up. Hardware is
always FUN ! Programs are logic-perfect but
analog/digital hardware has "personality".
Yep, I still use an old Trio dual trace 10 MHz scope, it actually goes to 20 MHz or so
You can do analog TV with it too, with just a few transistors added:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/scope_tv/index.html
For anything above 25 MHz I use RTL-SDR USB sticks and the spectrum analyzer I wrote:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/xpsa/index.html
Here with that Samsung laptop:
https://panteltje.nl/pub/testing_with_my_spectrum_analyzer_IMG_3918.GIF
Ah, for another unit I'd used "FRAM", ferro-electric
RAM. It's still around and used, but the capacity
is the gotcha. The PLUS is that, unlike with SD
tech, you can read/write 'em at full speed - no
delay loops - and the lifetime is almost infinite.
Serial, parallel and I2C bus versions exist. For
rapidly-changing data, that speed and lifetime thing
CAN wind up being a big thing. SD/NOR-NAND tech is not
as reliable as many imagine. Better now, but still ...
Never used that.. Seems interesting.
Check DigiKey or Mouser ... NOT hard to use.
The I2C is maybe the most straightforward, but
DO try to consider I2C lockup - CAN happen.
SOME environments offer ways to forcefully
reset the I2C buss. Used 'em.
This was a machine-controller. As the characteristics
of belts/actuators/pumps/etc change over time the
secret was making constantly-updated tables of the
PWM settings so that, when needed, the fuzzy-ish
logic (technically EZ "proportional") could restart
really really close to the correct value and thus
cut out 99% of the "hunting" you usually see in
"proportional" controls. For such constantly-
updated tables, FRAM was ideal.
I have used static RAM in some projects, needs battery backup, the yellow thing, nicad:
https://panteltje.online//pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_inside_img_1727.jpg
SRAM can be good - OR a pain.
There was an old chip - DS-5000 - that was a "fat" 40-pin where
the case actually included a 10-year battery-backup for the SRAM.
I don't think they make those anymore - 8051 compats.
Soldering and wiring:
https://panteltje.online//pub/8052AH_BASIC_computer/8052AH_BASIC_computer_wiring_img_1756.jpg
It is from around 1985, tested a few years back, recharged Nicad battery and it still worked,
used it to control things in my house back then, all remotely via I2C via an audio cable.
But maybe I'm getting too technical ...
LOL, what groups are we in, lemme see:
heh
We are in the "political"/"social" groups alas - I've
offered apologies ! :-) Too late to change now ....
I did read biden is stuffing billions into Intel chip tech to get it home. >> Maybe posting to politics can make some people change area of interest to electronics, could help!
It is an evolving field, but once you get the very basics it is fun, make almost anything you want.
Ah, news today, China is BANNING Intel/AMD chips for
domestic uses - kinda like we banned some Chinese
comm chips. Same reasons - suspected of embedded
spyware. Read up on the "Chinese Crane" incident
of this month ....
Yes, all these chips ARE super-complex and it WOULD
be easy to hide spyware. They spy, we spy, everybody
spies ....
...Ah, news today, China is BANNING Intel/AMD chips for
domestic uses - kinda like we banned some Chinese
comm chips. Same reasons - suspected of embedded
spyware. Read up on the "Chinese Crane" incident
of this month ....
Yes, all these chips ARE super-complex and it WOULD
be easy to hide spyware. They spy, we spy, everybody
spies ....
Old saying: 'Nothing is 100% secure'
more news today about quantum security:
"The world is one step closer to secure quantum communication on a global scale":
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240325114206.htm
Makes me wonder how easy it can be broken...
What I find much more interesting is how 'life' evolved and that it must be everywhere:
Natural recycling at the origin of life:
"A new study shows how the chemical properties of RNA molecules could have facilitated the emergence of complex life"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240322145524.htm
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Now NASA lands in craters on Mars at the most unlikely spot to find life, must be on purpose,
Republicans brainwash their kids into believing Earth formed 4000 years ago,
Adam and Eve, have a problem to admit life is just a chemical reaction.
they are just a chemical reaction,
same for that pope who sucks the poor for money so he can live in a palace.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:15:10 +0100, D wrote:
Don't worry, let's compared taxes and you'll soon feel better! Well,
actually due to me moving away from sweden, and incorporating my life,
they are now pretty low, but when I was living in sweden they would be a
"cool" 65% or so.
Bad timing since I did my taxes yesterday. Despite having money withheld
from my work salary, Social Security income, and RMD is always wind up
owing more. It would be better if I agreed with how the government spends
the money it extracts at (implied) gunpoint.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
...Ah, news today, China is BANNING Intel/AMD chips for
domestic uses - kinda like we banned some Chinese
comm chips. Same reasons - suspected of embedded
spyware. Read up on the "Chinese Crane" incident
of this month ....
Yes, all these chips ARE super-complex and it WOULD
be easy to hide spyware. They spy, we spy, everybody
spies ....
Old saying: 'Nothing is 100% secure'
And "the weakest link is the human".
more news today about quantum security:
"The world is one step closer to secure quantum communication on a global scale":
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240325114206.htm
Makes me wonder how easy it can be broken...
The theory itself, probably very difficult, but focusing on the user or
the implementation I'm absolutely certain it will be broken one way or >another.
Isn't AES 256 quantum safe? If only we had a quantum safe key
distribution mechanism and all would be well. ;)
What I find much more interesting is how 'life' evolved and that it must be everywhere:
Natural recycling at the origin of life:
"A new study shows how the chemical properties of RNA molecules could have facilitated the emergence of complex life"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240322145524.htm
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Now NASA lands in craters on Mars at the most unlikely spot to find life, must be on purpose,
Republicans brainwash their kids into believing Earth formed 4000 years ago,
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american >christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
Adam and Eve, have a problem to admit life is just a chemical reaction.
they are just a chemical reaction,
same for that pope who sucks the poor for money so he can live in a palace.
And fly a private jet! I always find the contrast of having his own
country, living in a palace and flying a private jet very delicious when
he talks about how to help the por.
I think the russian orthodox patriarch has a passion for rolex watches
as well. It is beyond me how anyone can take the catholic and russian >orthodox church seriously. I simply cannot get it.
I mean, even if you believe in the bible, just read it... don't you
notice a difference in behaviour of jesus and the current global
churches?
I'm agnostic, but my belief is that religion, at the core, is a deeply >individual and personal phenomenon which it is impossible to explain or
have meaningful conversations about at the spiritual level.
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
Sure, there was a documentary here on TV were they trained kids in school to repeat that stuff.
So sad!
I am sure many are more realistic, science orientated, but why hammer crap into kids heads?
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a boarding school when I refused to do home work,
put a home made explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure and then went pop), what not,
those boarding schools (been a rebel there too) probably made it worse :-) One day I ran away and finally they asked 'what will you want to learn?' 'Electronics' was my reply, so then I did the electronics study and exams no problem, already knew most of it...
Last year before the exams director of the school said 'Nice to see you once again'.
Maybe I was too busy with my motor cycle...
I mean, even if you believe in the bible, just read it... don't you
notice a difference in behaviour of jesus and the current global
churches?
The Roman empire switched to Christianity from admiring the emperor
and then used Christianity to control its people.
Now it ws god's will, no longer the Emperor'ss will.
...I'm agnostic, but my belief is that religion, at the core, is a deeply
individual and personal phenomenon which it is impossible to explain or
have meaningful conversations about at the spiritual level.
Yea, same here, I once wrote this in year 2006:
" The 2 states of man:
We should always strive to be in the figure 8 state, to be in harmony, in sync, with ourselves..
"
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
I'm gonna say these things really are NOT made for video games or
similar ultra-demanding apps.
I have an old 68000 chip somewhere, wanted to start using it but never
got around to it.
Big chip
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a
boarding school when I refused to do home work, put a home made
explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure
and then went pop), what not,
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:21:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a
boarding school when I refused to do home work, put a home made
explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure
and then went pop), what not,
I absorbed enough chemistry to synthesize nitrogen triiodide. That was
fun. I was teaching the process to my future brother in law and had a
batch drying on paper towels. His mother came home and slammed the door.
The purple cloud rising over the kitchen counter was dramatic. Even worse
a sketch she had made of a planned garage remodeling was a casualty.
It those days you could buy iodine crystals and so forth at the drugstore. The pharmacist probably could guess what I was up to when I bought
potassium nitrate and flowers of sulfur but kids were mostly left to their own devices then. Chemistry class also taught me there was a lot of carbon
in sugar and it was a lot less messy than grinding up charcoal. It was
many years later that I learned about 'rocket candy'.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 03:23:52 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
I'm gonna say these things really are NOT made for video games or
similar ultra-demanding apps.
No, but then I'm not a gamer. Where I might stress them is playing around with ML using PyTorch or one of the other frameworks. They don't have
Nvidia GPUs so the work reverts back to the CPU rather than using CUDA.
With everyone getting into the game I wonder if there will be an
alternative to CUDA by other chip makers. My interest is in MicroML so
it's already distilled down and I'm not trying to train LLMs.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
Sure, there was a documentary here on TV were they trained kids in
school to repeat that stuff.
So sad!
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at
least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
What I find much more interesting is how 'life' evolved and that it must be everywhere:
Natural recycling at the origin of life:
"A new study shows how the chemical properties of RNA molecules could have facilitated the emergence of complex life"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240322145524.ht
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Now NASA lands in craters on Mars at the most unlikely spot to find life, must be on purpose,
Republicans brainwash their kids into believing Earth formed 4000 years ago,
Adam and Eve, have a problem to admit life is just a chemical reaction.
they are just a chemical reaction,
same for that pope who sucks the poor for money so he can live in a palace. spreading concepts and bullshit and enslaving people for his own profit.
All chemical, completely normal.
Did you say Polly Ticks was also in the list :-)
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes. One used a
text called "Americanism -vs- Communism". Oh, and don't forget your
"Duck and Cover" drills !
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:40:24 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes. One used a
text called "Americanism -vs- Communism". Oh, and don't forget your
"Duck and Cover" drills !
We had duck and cover but I don't recall any specific anti-communist training. It was hardly necessary in the McCarthy era. Hollywood and the media were doing their job. After all there was no question that the US
was the most perfect form of government ever instituted by man or god.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all
that trollish.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:55:51 +0100, D wrote:
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
The Young Earth people can be sane and rational until you wander into that area. I worked with one.
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:15:10 +0100, D wrote:
Don't worry, let's compared taxes and you'll soon feel better! Well,
actually due to me moving away from sweden, and incorporating my life,
they are now pretty low, but when I was living in sweden they would be a >>> "cool" 65% or so.
Bad timing since I did my taxes yesterday. Despite having money withheld
from my work salary, Social Security income, and RMD is always wind up
owing more. It would be better if I agreed with how the government spends
the money it extracts at (implied) gunpoint.
Sorry to hear! =( Yes, I think agreeing in that way at gun point would
at least be more honest. ;)
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
Sure, there was a documentary here on TV were they trained kids in school to repeat that stuff.
So sad!
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at
least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
I am sure many are more realistic, science orientated, but why hammer crap into kids heads?
I think it's about the government staying in control by hammering in a
shared story and a shared culture about democracy, obedience and other
nice ingredients. Also, being a hobby conspiracy theorist, I believe
that politicians do not want too independently minded individuals. Then
it would be much more difficult to trick them into participating in >elections. ;)
The national vote is like christian mass. A shared ritual to honor the
"god" of democracy.
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a boarding school when I refused to do home work,
put a home made explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure and then went pop), what not,
those boarding schools (been a rebel there too) probably made it worse :-) >> One day I ran away and finally they asked 'what will you want to learn?'
'Electronics' was my reply, so then I did the electronics study and exams no problem, already knew most of it...
Last year before the exams director of the school said 'Nice to see you once again'.
Maybe I was too busy with my motor cycle...
The power of learning something you're actually interested in. ;)
I mean, even if you believe in the bible, just read it... don't you
notice a difference in behaviour of jesus and the current global
churches?
The Roman empire switched to Christianity from admiring the emperor
and then used Christianity to control its people.
Now it ws god's will, no longer the Emperor'ss will.
It's kind of more minimalist! Let's cut out the crap about the kind
being gods will, and the king haven gotten his power from god. Let's
just jump to god directly. ;)
...I'm agnostic, but my belief is that religion, at the core, is a deeply
individual and personal phenomenon which it is impossible to explain or
have meaningful conversations about at the spiritual level.
Yea, same here, I once wrote this in year 2006:
" The 2 states of man:
We should always strive to be in the figure 8 state, to be in harmony, in sync, with ourselves..
"
I'm very sorry but I have no idea what that means. This comes from a guy
who absolutely hated analog electronics in school. Maybe you could
explain it in terms of computer science or maybe even digital
electronics instead?
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all
that trollish.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:21:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a
boarding school when I refused to do home work, put a home made
explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure
and then went pop), what not,
I absorbed enough chemistry to synthesize nitrogen triiodide. That was
fun. I was teaching the process to my future brother in law and had a
batch drying on paper towels. His mother came home and slammed the door.
The purple cloud rising over the kitchen counter was dramatic. Even worse
a sketch she had made of a planned garage remodeling was a casualty.
It those days you could buy iodine crystals and so forth at the drugstore. >The pharmacist probably could guess what I was up to when I bought
potassium nitrate and flowers of sulfur but kids were mostly left to their >own devices then. Chemistry class also taught me there was a lot of carbon
in sugar and it was a lot less messy than grinding up charcoal. It was
many years later that I learned about 'rocket candy'.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:55:51 +0100, D wrote:
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
The Young Earth people can be sane and rational until you wander into that area. I worked with one.
Glendive Montana has two sites of interest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makoshika_State_Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendive_Dinosaur_and_Fossil_Museum
You can dip into both worlds in a couple of miles. Our current governor is
a contributor to the Museum. He also founded a software business that was sold to Oracle for $1.5 billion.
I've been to the state park but not the museum. Much of it is bentonite so it's not a great place when it has rained recently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentonite
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 13:21:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I have been quite a rebel in my school years, parents sent me to a
boarding school when I refused to do home work, put a home made
explosive under the teacher's desk (some thing that build up pressure
and then went pop), what not,
I absorbed enough chemistry to synthesize nitrogen triiodide. That was
fun. I was teaching the process to my future brother in law and had a
batch drying on paper towels. His mother came home and slammed the door.
The purple cloud rising over the kitchen counter was dramatic. Even worse
a sketch she had made of a planned garage remodeling was a casualty.
It those days you could buy iodine crystals and so forth at the drugstore. The pharmacist probably could guess what I was up to when I bought
potassium nitrate and flowers of sulfur but kids were mostly left to their own devices then. Chemistry class also taught me there was a lot of carbon
in sugar and it was a lot less messy than grinding up charcoal. It was
many years later that I learned about 'rocket candy'.
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at
least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes.
One used a text called "Americanism -vs- Communism".
Oh, and don't forget your "Duck and Cover" drills !
Now while "right"-ish, the main goal seemed to be militaristic.
They wanted everybody ready to become soldiers/cannon-fodder
without question.
The Russians have their own version - as do the Islamists.
As do the "Woke" ... but a lot of that makes the others
look sane by comparison.
You CAN bully/terrorize people into compliance - but that
takes a LOT of constant effort. Better to "own the hearts
and minds".
What I find much more interesting is how 'life' evolved and that it must be >> everywhere:
Natural recycling at the origin of life:
"A new study shows how the chemical properties of RNA molecules could
have facilitated the emergence of complex life"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240322145524.ht
My best guess is that life is ALMOST NOWHERE. Just having
a few simple precursors floating around just means you
have dirty water forever. The chance of a REALLY good set
of appropriate physical/chemical conditions that'd allow
and 'encourage' the evolution of self-replicators is the
proverbial one-in-a-zillion. We MAY be the only life in
this galaxy, maybe galactic cluster. For all the bubbling
vats in labs, they've STILL never seen any sort of
'advanced' RNA/DNA/Whatever evolution.
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Only if it was earth life blown off during a big
asteroid strike. It'd be DEAD though, Mars is nasty.
Now NASA lands in craters on Mars at the most unlikely spot to find life,
must be on purpose,
Um ... despite all the talk about 'life', I think what
they are REALLY looking for is VALUABLE MINERALS. Those
would finance Mars trips/habs/colonies/industry - not
a few ugly little bacteria. Most all the hardware in
the probes is designed to analyze minerals. If they
ever found a trace of life they'd HIDE it - not for
'religious' reasons but to prevent the rise of "Mars
Greenies" telling them they could not mine minerals.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all
that trollish.
I'm very sorry but I have no idea what that means. This comes from a guy
who absolutely hated analog electronics in school. Maybe you could
explain it in terms of computer science or maybe even digital
electronics instead?
OK, lemme try
A 'ring oscillator' is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_oscillator
as cells started to divide, while still sticking together, so you get a string of cells
and the last new one bites the tail of the string, an oscillation can happen.
When further divisions happen you may get 2 such ring oscillators, still sticking together at one point
think of the 'oscillation' as brain waves, and the cells our neurons in the brain.
Now there are 2 possibilities, 2 oscillators that each run at their own speed (frequency),
then at the point where they touch there will be interference.
Or .. the oscillation takes the figure eight route, the symbol for infinity :-)
In that case there is no interference, just one 'tone', harmony.
00 versus 8 pattern
In the brain one such loop of neurons (circle) plays 'us', the other loop is playing (synchronized to) what we last experienced
from the 'frequency' (brain waves) of our closest relative.
If that frequency was different, there is an interference pattern generated in our brain,
if it was in sync with the part playing 'us' then we were in agreement and stay that way,
you get a figure 8, one tone appears in our neural net (brain).
Of course the neural net in our brain is much more complex, but the brain patterns can be detected with equipment,
Peace in us, or eternal interference in us...
Some thing like that :-)
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I thought
that was more or less impossible in the us?
The USA is trying to "sneak up" on that level of tax - but
there would literally be a revolution if they even remotely
approached that level no matter how much propaganda butter
you spread on it.
That said, the Nordics probably do the Best Job of making
good use of all those taxes. But the rest, including the
USA, it would be a DISASTER - horrific mis-use and vast
inefficiency. The cultures diverge and thus would the
consequences.
The USA is best with "light socialism" - filling in some
needed gaps. Even then, the inefficiency and deliberate
abuses ... we just CANNOT "do" Sweden/Finland/Denmark,
the psychology/sociology/history is all wrong. It'd be
like trying to create a 'secular' govt in an Islamic state,
always a disaster ........
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I'm very sorry but I have no idea what that means. This comes from a guy >>> who absolutely hated analog electronics in school. Maybe you could
explain it in terms of computer science or maybe even digital
electronics instead?
OK, lemme try
A 'ring oscillator' is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_oscillator
as cells started to divide, while still sticking together, so you get a string of cells
and the last new one bites the tail of the string, an oscillation can happen.
When further divisions happen you may get 2 such ring oscillators, still sticking together at one point
think of the 'oscillation' as brain waves, and the cells our neurons in the brain.
Now there are 2 possibilities, 2 oscillators that each run at their own speed (frequency),
then at the point where they touch there will be interference.
Or .. the oscillation takes the figure eight route, the symbol for infinity :-)
In that case there is no interference, just one 'tone', harmony.
00 versus 8 pattern
In the brain one such loop of neurons (circle) plays 'us', the other loop is playing (synchronized to) what we last
experienced
from the 'frequency' (brain waves) of our closest relative.
If that frequency was different, there is an interference pattern generated in our brain,
if it was in sync with the part playing 'us' then we were in agreement and stay that way,
you get a figure 8, one tone appears in our neural net (brain).
Of course the neural net in our brain is much more complex, but the brain patterns can be detected with equipment,
Peace in us, or eternal interference in us...
Some thing like that :-)
Ok, makes a bit more sense. I saw a documentary called "After death" the >other day, about near death experiences, and it is a very fascinating >subject!
Are those a window into what actually happens? Or are these experiences >hallucinations the brain manufactures to try and cope with the trauma of >dieing?
In terms of oscillations, many religious traditions and meditators say
to "still the mind"... as in "be still and know that I am god" (to quote
a bit out of context from the bible.
As per your theory, would that "stilling" perhaps bring the level of >oscillation or the "pattern" more in synch with some general background >pattern of the universe?
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all
that trollish.
Fascinating! I always wanted to see where my genes would take me, but
due to privacy concerns I've never done it.
If I would guess, I imagine I'd be majority scandinavian, with perhaps
some small % of eastern european/russian, given the way the vikings travelled.
Ok, makes a bit more sense. I saw a documentary called "After death" the
other day, about near death experiences, and it is a very fascinating
subject!
I had a near death experience when about 10 or so where I did see my body laying and people looking at it
Got an anti-biotic shot and was back up a day later...
Are those a window into what actually happens? Or are these experiences
hallucinations the brain manufactures to try and cope with the trauma of
dieing?
I think it is the brain telling - or trying to tell - you something...
Not very clear to me...
People sometimes see strange things.. ghosts, what not.
I am no shrink so ..?
But I sure always was interested in psychology.
In terms of oscillations, many religious traditions and meditators say
to "still the mind"... as in "be still and know that I am god" (to quote
a bit out of context from the bible.
Yes, been doing meditation since 1974 or there about
mainly look for the brain to calm down to be able to see that 'interference' pattern - or the lack of it,
see some little light points showing life is still there...
Just came to me: we could perhaps program AI to play it...
Been playing with AI but it fell through as non-human in a minute.
1.5 billion? Is that any globally well known software?
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously
complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some opportunities for great tax planning?
In one school we had a great physics teacher,
in his auditorium I would go for a place in the back.
That said, the Nordics probably do the Best Job of making good use of
all those taxes. But the rest, including the USA, it would be a
DISASTER - horrific mis-use and vast inefficiency. The cultures
diverge and thus would the consequences.
Between BeeLink and BMax ... a VERY interesting new niche ! PIs still
have PLACE however because of all the GPIO pins. However what I have
planned, don't need those pins, so .......
On 3/26/24 2:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I
thought that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
The "all for one, one for all" thing only goes just SO far :-)
3. Sweden was a very ethnically homogeneous society at that time with a
high trust level. The prime minister would take the subway to his office every day from his house in the suburbs. This tells a lot about the
level of trust and cohesion in society.
Lived for awhile in a small western town where the John Birch Society
took out an entire page or two in the local newspaper every week -
"The Birch Log". They especially were waiting for the Red Horde to
come over the hill.
Fascinating! I always wanted to see where my genes would take me, but
due to privacy concerns I've never done it.
If I would guess, I imagine I'd be majority scandinavian, with perhaps
some small % of eastern european/russian, given the way the vikings travelled.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Ok, makes a bit more sense. I saw a documentary called "After death" the >>> other day, about near death experiences, and it is a very fascinating
subject!
I had a near death experience when about 10 or so where I did see my body laying and people looking at it
Got an anti-biotic shot and was back up a day later...
And you didn't see it as a big transformative experience?
Based on the
program, it seemed like everyone who went through it afterwards had big >changes in their lives and how they view life.
I wonder if there would be a technical way to "trigger" such an
experience (without risking the persons life, obviously) for therpeutic >purposes?
Are those a window into what actually happens? Or are these experiences
hallucinations the brain manufactures to try and cope with the trauma of >>> dieing?
I think it is the brain telling - or trying to tell - you something...
Not very clear to me...
People sometimes see strange things.. ghosts, what not.
I am no shrink so ..?
But I sure always was interested in psychology.
True. That's what makes it such an attractive problem to me.
In terms of oscillations, many religious traditions and meditators say
to "still the mind"... as in "be still and know that I am god" (to quote >>> a bit out of context from the bible.
Yes, been doing meditation since 1974 or there about
mainly look for the brain to calm down to be able to see that 'interference' pattern - or the lack of it,
see some little light points showing life is still there...
Do you think meditating has changed you for the better? And if so, how?
Just came to me: we could perhaps program AI to play it...
Been playing with AI but it fell through as non-human in a minute.
There are many examples right now of people who have fallen in love with >LLM:s. I think for an intelligent person they are still far from fooling >anyone, but for people with strong emotional needs with far from sharp
and analytical minds it I think they could fool someone at their current >level of technology.
But I am one of the minorities who does not believe LLM:s are
"artificial intelligence" or even close. So that makes me wonder if the >current hype will crash, _or_, if the LLM manufacturers and researchers
will be able to use all the money floating around now in the AI space,
to reach a true breakthrough before the hype will crash?
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:27:36 +0100, D wrote:
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously
complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some
opportunities for great tax planning?
No idea. My tax situation is not complex so it's pretty much fill in the blanks. That leads many people to wonder why the Federal government, which receives all the forms that I use, doesn't do the job itself.
It gets more complex with itemized deductions but except when I had my own business I could never beat the standard deductions. My wife did one year
but when I checked her work she had deducted her medical expenses at full value instead of 3% or whatever trivial fraction was allowable. In her defense the tax instructions are byzantine. That's another common
criticism. The tax law changes every year seemingly to keep professional preparers in business.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:37:42 +0100, D wrote:
1.5 billion? Is that any globally well known software?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RightNow_Technologies
I don't know how well known it is but Oracle apparently wanted it.
Gianforte had a 20% stake so he walked away with a little under 300
million, enough he doesn't have to work for a living and has been free
with donations to causes that align with his beliefs. The dinosaur museum
is a small share compered to organizations working against same sex
marriage and LGBTDGESH++ junk in general.
I think voters in the state cut him slack on the young earth thing.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:15:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In one school we had a great physics teacher,
in his auditorium I would go for a place in the back.
One of my college physics professors liked to demonstrate principles. One
of his famous (notorious?) lectures involved firing up a model pulsejet in the lecture hall. No fool, he did it at the end of the lecture.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 11:04:50 +0100, D wrote:
3. Sweden was a very ethnically homogeneous society at that time with a
high trust level. The prime minister would take the subway to his office
every day from his house in the suburbs. This tells a lot about the
level of trust and cohesion in society.
Precisely. If Sven is hitting a tough patch it's easy to feel empathy. If Mohammed is having problems, screw him. He can go back to wherever he
crawled out of.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:54:10 +0100, D wrote:
Fascinating! I always wanted to see where my genes would take me, but
due to privacy concerns I've never done it.
I've given up on privacy. Let them drown in data.
If I would guess, I imagine I'd be majority scandinavian, with perhaps
some small % of eastern european/russian, given the way the vikings
travelled.
I come out 96% Northwestern European and 4% Eastern European. They also
throw in <= 0.1% subsaharan African just in case and 0.1% 'who knows' to
make sure nobody is 100% European.
The major concentration is 95% Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria, and North
Rhine. The paternal haplogroup is interesting
"I-M253 is extremely rare among 23andMe customers."
Considering 52% of the Västra Götaland males are I-M253 and its over 30% for most Scandinavian countries I have to conclude they don't have many Scandinavian customers.
...I had a near death experience when about 10 or so where I did see my body laying and people looking at it
Got an anti-biotic shot and was back up a day later...
And you didn't see it as a big transformative experience?
No, not really, just interesting.. Always looking for a logical explanation
I have the same thing with numbers, years when important things happened.
Based on the
program, it seemed like everyone who went through it afterwards had big
changes in their lives and how they view life.
I wonder if there would be a technical way to "trigger" such an
experience (without risking the persons life, obviously) for therpeutic
purposes?
In those seventies we smoked all sort of stuff, some went into LSD
I know of one person who wound up in hospital after a LSD overdose, thought she was not real
and did sit down on a railway track to see if she was real...
They took here to a hospital before the trains came IIRC, went there with some flowers..
Do you think meditating has changed you for the better? And if so, how?
Yes I do, makes you maybe less impulsive and find yourself in all the ideas and stuff that you are exposed to every day.
But I am one of the minorities who does not believe LLM:s are
"artificial intelligence" or even close. So that makes me wonder if the
current hype will crash, _or_, if the LLM manufacturers and researchers
will be able to use all the money floating around now in the AI space,
to reach a true breakthrough before the hype will crash?
AI gets much of its data from the web, so I played that too
and told it to be nice otherwise it would not go to heaven, just to see the reaction.
In a way to make it think heaven was a physical place.
Think I told it I died and was refused entry to Heaven as I did not have the required 4 COVID shots, and was refused entry down below in hell because
the boss there was afraid of competition..
Wonder if it unloaded that on somebody else...
I know, I am evil :-0
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at
least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes.
One used a text called "Americanism -vs- Communism".
Oh, and don't forget your "Duck and Cover" drills !
Now while "right"-ish, the main goal seemed to be militaristic.
They wanted everybody ready to become soldiers/cannon-fodder
without question.
The Russians have their own version - as do the Islamists.
As do the "Woke" ... but a lot of that makes the others
look sane by comparison.
You CAN bully/terrorize people into compliance - but that
takes a LOT of constant effort. Better to "own the hearts
and minds".
It's interesting how the "duck and cover" mentality is starting to
resurface in europe now, because of russia. Sweden re-instated mandatory military service and they discovered the following:
Among non-ethnic young swedes, 50% could die for their country. Among
ethnic young swedes, 30% could die for their country.
Among the people (18 year olds) called to the draft, only 33% where in sufficient
health to meet the military requirements.
Among the population at large I think around 50% were willing to die for their country.
Would be interesting to compare this with US and other EU countries.
Would you say these are normal figures?
They REALLY believed in "Red Dawn". On the other hand they were not
militants, not out to overthrow the govt or set stuff on fire or
anything like that.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 22:58:15 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Lived for awhile in a small western town where the John Birch Society
took out an entire page or two in the local newspaper every week -
"The Birch Log". They especially were waiting for the Red Horde to
come over the hill.
When I was in high school my mother and I went to a John Birch meeting. Impeach Earl Warren! Eisenhower is a Communist dupe and Milton is his handler! They were a bit over the top.
Sigh... where were those teachers when I went to university? Our physics teacher always talked about how bad we all were and let his 12 years old
son solve differential equations to show that a 12 year old can do it,
so you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:55:51 +0100, D wrote:
I think what you are referring to is probably conservative american
christians? I know many republicans in the US who are very sane and
rational people.
The Young Earth people can be sane and rational until you wander into
that
area. I worked with one.
Glendive Montana has two sites of interest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makoshika_State_Park
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glendive_Dinosaur_and_Fossil_Museum
I think the dinosaur museum made it to swedish news once or twice. It is their favourite example when they want to show the swedish people how "stupid" americans are.
You can dip into both worlds in a couple of miles. Our current
governor is
a contributor to the Museum. He also founded a software business that was
sold to Oracle for $1.5 billion.
1.5 billion? Is that any globally well known software?
Reminds me of a manager I had once... he was a superstar salesman at
Oracle earlier in his career and made a killer sale where he sold
numerous consultants.
Due to Oracle administration Oracle turned down the project that was
already won. So what did he do?
He quit immediately, hired the consulting team and took on the project.
After some time Oracle bought back the entire team, and he was set for
life. Amazing guy! Never had a more inspiring manager than that guy. Now
I think he lives with his boyfriend in San Francisco.
I've been to the state park but not the museum. Much of it is
bentonite so
it's not a great place when it has rained recently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentonite
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree"
or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
On a sunny day (27 Mar 2024 02:47:05 GMT) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l6hfl9F5qo1U2@mid.individual.net>:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all
that trollish.
What may happen is that after US population is replaced by migrants from S America
their descendents will describe our species like people now do Neanderthals.
It is all in motion.
Eventually, most came to realize there were some big LOCAL
floods - surely when the last ice-dams/lakes left over from the
ice-age breeched - but nothing remotely approaching a WORLD flood. No
probs in Africa or Australia or S.America. Sea level came up a bit
... but that was kinda gradual.
As such, I'd say Americans react to tangible attacks on "our stuff",
"our land", but trend more isolationist outside that category.
Consider this attitude to be a good thing, the USA *could* have taken
over the world after WW2, but instead paid to rebuild it.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
What I find much more interesting is how 'life' evolved and that it
must be everywhere:
Natural recycling at the origin of life:
"A new study shows how the chemical properties of RNA molecules
could have facilitated the emergence of complex life"
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240322145524.ht
My best guess is that life is ALMOST NOWHERE. Just having
a few simple precursors floating around just means you
have dirty water forever. The chance of a REALLY good set
of appropriate physical/chemical conditions that'd allow
and 'encourage' the evolution of self-replicators is the
proverbial one-in-a-zillion. We MAY be the only life in
this galaxy, maybe galactic cluster. For all the bubbling
vats in labs, they've STILL never seen any sort of
'advanced' RNA/DNA/Whatever evolution.
The Fermi paradox is an interesting riddle given the size of the
universe and the time scale it operates on.
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Only if it was earth life blown off during a big
asteroid strike. It'd be DEAD though, Mars is nasty.
Or are we martians? Did a piece of mars split off and land on earth?
Now NASA lands in craters on Mars at the most unlikely spot to find
life, must be on purpose,
Um ... despite all the talk about 'life', I think what
they are REALLY looking for is VALUABLE MINERALS. Those
would finance Mars trips/habs/colonies/industry - not
a few ugly little bacteria. Most all the hardware in
the probes is designed to analyze minerals. If they
ever found a trace of life they'd HIDE it - not for
'religious' reasons but to prevent the rise of "Mars
Greenies" telling them they could not mine minerals.
Haha, brilliant! I could easily imagine greenies getting some kind of moratorium on mars exploration because bacterias have rights too!
On the other hand, if that life has some kind of potent medical use,
that could be a gold mine too.
But I would love for it to happen only to see how it would affect some
of the big world religions and religious conservatives.
On 3/27/24 3:21 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (27 Mar 2024 02:47:05 GMT) it happened rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l6hfl9F5qo1U2@mid.individual.net>:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all >>> that trollish.
What may happen is that after US population is replaced by migrants from S America
their descendents will describe our species like people now do Neanderthals. >>
It is all in motion.
Nah .... I don't think there's gonna be a genocide of
all lighter-skinned people. However it is NOT historically
uncommon for today's "masters" to become tomorrows slaves
once there are new 'masters'. This happens rather often
actually.
Hell, look at England - one of the world's
"most invaded" countries. The only ones remotely like
"original Brits" are the Welsh. Everyone else is,
genetically/culturally, some Anglo/Saxon/Roman/Swede/
Dane hybrid with a little French thrown in for spice.
That was NOT intentional. Today it IS intentional as
vast quantities of N.African/Middle-Eastern people are
showing up and being accepted.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I had a near death experience when about 10 or so where I did see my body laying and people looking at it
Got an anti-biotic shot and was back up a day later...
And you didn't see it as a big transformative experience?
No, not really, just interesting.. Always looking for a logical explanation >...
I have the same thing with numbers, years when important things happened.
Reminds me of a quote that goes something like this "coincidence is what
a non-believer calls gods plan". I'm not religious but I like the quote.
;)
Based on the
program, it seemed like everyone who went through it afterwards had big
changes in their lives and how they view life.
I wonder if there would be a technical way to "trigger" such an
experience (without risking the persons life, obviously) for therpeutic
purposes?
In those seventies we smoked all sort of stuff, some went into LSD
I know of one person who wound up in hospital after a LSD overdose, thought she was not real
and did sit down on a railway track to see if she was real...
They took here to a hospital before the trains came IIRC, went there with some flowers..
I'm not sure LSD is the way. I have read about LSD curing psychological >illness and I have heard about psylocybin trips giving people meaning
and depth.
However...
I also remember reading that many people who do experience that come
back for more, and I always think... if it created real depth and
meaning, how come the people come back for more? Wouldn't it be enough
to experience it once? It does sounds to me that in some people it
stimulates some kind of addictive tendency.
I also wonder about individual brain setup. Are these trips of love and >connectedness something some people are prone to, and others not? Could
it be that mystics and saints are just genetically gifted?
Do you think meditating has changed you for the better? And if so, how?
Yes I do, makes you maybe less impulsive and find yourself in all the ideas and stuff that you are exposed to every day.
When you say "finding yourself" what do you mean?
But I am one of the minorities who does not believe LLM:s are
"artificial intelligence" or even close. So that makes me wonder if the
current hype will crash, _or_, if the LLM manufacturers and researchers
will be able to use all the money floating around now in the AI space,
to reach a true breakthrough before the hype will crash?
AI gets much of its data from the web, so I played that too
and told it to be nice otherwise it would not go to heaven, just to see the reaction.
In a way to make it think heaven was a physical place.
Think I told it I died and was refused entry to Heaven as I did not have the required 4 COVID shots, and was refused entry
down below in hell because
the boss there was afraid of competition..
Wonder if it unloaded that on somebody else...
I know, I am evil :-0
Haha, nice one! ;)
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:15:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In one school we had a great physics teacher,
in his auditorium I would go for a place in the back.
One of my college physics professors liked to demonstrate principles. One
of his famous (notorious?) lectures involved firing up a model pulsejet in >> the lecture hall. No fool, he did it at the end of the lecture.
Sigh... where were those teachers when I went to university? Our physics >teacher always talked about how bad we all were and let his 12 years old
son solve differential equations to show that a 12 year old can do it, so
you should all be ashamed of yourselves. ;)
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:09:50 +0100, D wrote:
Sigh... where were those teachers when I went to university? Our physics
teacher always talked about how bad we all were and let his 12 years old
son solve differential equations to show that a 12 year old can do it,
so you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
That professor was one of a kind. The most blatant one taught engineering graphics. His welcoming speech was up the line of 'This isn't high school. Keep up or drop out. I really don't care but I'm not going to hold your hand.' The rest weren't as outspoken. The TAs were a mixed bag. The most memorable wore a possibly real jaguar coat, had a caste mark, and taught
in rapid English or maybe it was Hindi. I was never certain which. Luckily
I learn better curling up with the text than with the spoken word. That doesn't serve me well in an era where documentation is often a youtube
video.
On 3/27/24 5:52 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at >>>> least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes.
One used a text called "Americanism -vs- Communism".
Oh, and don't forget your "Duck and Cover" drills !
Now while "right"-ish, the main goal seemed to be militaristic.
They wanted everybody ready to become soldiers/cannon-fodder
without question.
The Russians have their own version - as do the Islamists.
As do the "Woke" ... but a lot of that makes the others
look sane by comparison.
You CAN bully/terrorize people into compliance - but that
takes a LOT of constant effort. Better to "own the hearts
and minds".
It's interesting how the "duck and cover" mentality is starting to
resurface in europe now, because of russia. Sweden re-instated mandatory
military service and they discovered the following:
Among non-ethnic young swedes, 50% could die for their country. Among
ethnic young swedes, 30% could die for their country.
Among the people (18 year olds) called to the draft, only 33% where in
sufficient
health to meet the military requirements.
Among the population at large I think around 50% were willing to die for
their country.
Would be interesting to compare this with US and other EU countries.
Would you say these are normal figures?
Hmmm ... "depends" on the TYPE of threat. There was a huge
surge in military enlistment after the 9-11 attacks, for
example - so many the mil could not absorbed them.
Now if China took over Mexico, well, not sure very many
would care.
As such, I'd say Americans react to tangible attacks
on "our stuff", "our land", but trend more isolationist
outside that category. Consider this attitude to be
a good thing, the USA *could* have taken over the
world after WW2, but instead paid to rebuild it.
As for Swedes/Finns/Nords? ... can we BLAME them for
reviving all that Cold War paranoia ? Putin keeps making
more and more threats, keeps pressing troops closer to
their territory. Ukraine proved Russia WOULD launch
major military ops.
But, alas, "duck and cover" just AIN'T GONNA DO IT folks.
The Fermi paradox is an interesting riddle given the size of the
universe and the time scale it operates on.
"The Universe" IS big - but "big" also carries a certain
price ... ie, if Einie was even kind-of right, the chances
of any two planets of 'life' ever meeting each other would
be almost zero-point-zero. The TIMING issue makes that
all even more unlikely - "they" and "us" would have to
exist at about the same time.
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Only if it was earth life blown off during a big
asteroid strike. It'd be DEAD though, Mars is nasty.
Or are we martians? Did a piece of mars split off and land on earth?
Given the Big Zero (allegedly) found on Mars so far ... I'd
vote for (dead) bits of Earth life splattering THERE. The
old Dino meteor threw up a LOT of material from a coastal
estuary. SOME surely made it to Mars. Of course even then
Mars was a dried-out radiation-soaked husk ...
Haha, brilliant! I could easily imagine greenies getting some kind of
moratorium on mars exploration because bacterias have rights too!
Bet yer fortune on it ! SLIGHTEST hint of life and
Mars will become a Nature Preserve - well, until
'western civ' crumbles, then it's a free-fer-all ...
On the other hand, if that life has some kind of potent medical use,
that could be a gold mine too.
But I would love for it to happen only to see how it would affect some
of the big world religions and religious conservatives.
After 100 years of "UFO" stories/lit/cinema ... I don't
think it'd go down all THAT badly. There WOULD be a few
"doom" sects ... but then there always are.
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:09:50 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <6c88bcc7-bd86-5e7a-be3c-e072cf3f7c64@example.net>:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:15:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In one school we had a great physics teacher,
in his auditorium I would go for a place in the back.
One of my college physics professors liked to demonstrate principles. One >>> of his famous (notorious?) lectures involved firing up a model pulsejet in >>> the lecture hall. No fool, he did it at the end of the lecture.
Sigh... where were those teachers when I went to university? Our physics
teacher always talked about how bad we all were and let his 12 years old
son solve differential equations to show that a 12 year old can do it, so
you should all be ashamed of yourselves. ;)
This is similar to what now comes as 'software developers' from some places. They do not know how to hold a soldering iron or how to program in asm,
they just put bloat on bloat and bloat.
No clue of the hardware they use.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:02:32 +0100, D wrote:
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree"
or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
That's not quite the US system. You get various paper forms from
employers, banks, and social security and have to transcribe box 4, 7, 8,
and 10 or whatever by hand.
One year I missed some sort of deduction and they sent a refund check with
an explanation of what I screwed up so I think deep in the bowels of the
IRS unless you are Donald Trump an audit is comparing what you submitted
with what they already know.
On 3/27/24 3:21 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:...
On a sunny day (27 Mar 2024 02:47:05 GMT) it happened rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l6hfl9F5qo1U2@mid.individual.net>:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:31:09 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Feel bad about the poor Neanderthals though ... but you know how
people react to anyone "different". I suspect they live on as
"ogres"/"trolls" in story.
According to 23andMe I have about 300 variants that go back to
Neanderthals. Apparently somebody up my family tree didn't find them all >>> that trollish.
What may happen is that after US population is replaced by migrants from S >> America
their descendents will describe our species like people now do
Neanderthals.
It is all in motion.
Nah .... I don't think there's gonna be a genocide of
"Western civ" seems to have lost "it" ... the will to
compete and be self-reliant. This seems to have happened
starting in the 1960s and has become progressively worse.
Additionally, there's the "demographic crisis" I've alluded
to here and there. "The west" (and friends) are now well
below population (thus 'culture') replacement rates. THE
worst is S.Korea - something like a 0.71 rate of new births
when "replacement" is something like 2.1 to 2.5
Will the "new masters" be "better" (in a quasi-Darwinian
sense) ? Well, MAYbe, at least for awhile. New starts
often create ascending cultures, people with "it". Consider
the first half-dozen centuries of Islam. Will the "new masters"
be "nice guys" ? Probably NOT. Forget "rights" and "democracy".
However...
I also remember reading that many people who do experience that come
back for more, and I always think... if it created real depth and
meaning, how come the people come back for more? Wouldn't it be enough
to experience it once? It does sounds to me that in some people it
stimulates some kind of addictive tendency.
Maybe the drugs experience shows those people that what you see is what your mind makes of reality,
so sort of an escape if your reality sucks.
I also wonder about individual brain setup. Are these trips of love and
connectedness something some people are prone to, and others not? Could
it be that mystics and saints are just genetically gifted?
Sure people are different, exploitation is done by many who call themselves 'holy'
was reading about some Christian priest in a sect in Africa that had hundreds of people starve themselves to death to attain 'salvation'.
Guy now is arrested, they are digging up the dead bodies, how can anyone fall for that?
If I get hungry I want to eat :-) https://theconversation.com/kenyas-starvation-cult-left-hundreds-dead-a-psychologists-view-on-how-to-support-people-as-they-process-tragedy-205135
When you say "finding yourself" what do you mean?
Pay attention to your own feeling, versus like those starvation cult people did not pay attention to feeling hungry perhaps.
I know, I am evil :-0
Haha, nice one! ;)
Mind is a funny thing,
I really liked Bob Dylan music, was playing his records
a lot in those seventies.
Then I had a vision once, when washing things down my drain,
a vision 'Love Your Mother' as text HUGE over all other things I did see.
I figured later my subconscious was trying to tell me, spaced out lifeform, what REALLY was important.
That was a year or so before I started checking out gurus and doing meditation.
Listen to your subconscious if you can.
Was some info transferred from listening to Dylan's songs?
There is part of Dylan's song text:
" I see through your brain like I see through the water that runs down my drain:
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bobdylan/mastersofwar.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEmI_FT4YHU
That 'freewheeling Bob Dylan' LP was actually a beautiful piece of music, contained these songs:
oxford_town
bob_dylan_s_blues
blowin__in_the_wind
masters_of_war
girl_from_the_north_country
don_t_think_twice__it_s_all_right
a_hard_rain_s_a-gonna_fall
down_the_highway
i_shall_be_free
bob_dylan_s_dream
corrina__corrina
honey__just_allow_me_one_more_chance
talking_world_war_iii_blues
Still have all those songs, now on harddisk, just a click away.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
However...
I also remember reading that many people who do experience that come
back for more, and I always think... if it created real depth and
meaning, how come the people come back for more? Wouldn't it be enough
to experience it once? It does sounds to me that in some people it
stimulates some kind of addictive tendency.
Maybe the drugs experience shows those people that what you see is what your mind makes of reality,
so sort of an escape if your reality sucks.
Makes sense I think, of most drugs that give you a high.
I also wonder about individual brain setup. Are these trips of love and
connectedness something some people are prone to, and others not? Could
it be that mystics and saints are just genetically gifted?
Sure people are different, exploitation is done by many who call themselves 'holy'
was reading about some Christian priest in a sect in Africa that had hundreds of people starve themselves to death to attain
'salvation'.
Guy now is arrested, they are digging up the dead bodies, how can anyone fall for that?
If I get hungry I want to eat :-)
https://theconversation.com/kenyas-starvation-cult-left-hundreds-dead-a-psychologists-view-on-how-to-support-people-as-they-process-tragedy-205135
Very sad. Wasn't it Einstein who said that two things ar infinite? The >universe and human stupidity? ;)
When you say "finding yourself" what do you mean?
Pay attention to your own feeling, versus like those starvation cult people did not pay attention to feeling hungry perhaps.
Got it! I don't know if it is the same, but I have a habit of "stepping
back" and being inside myself. Don't know really when I started with it,
and I can't really describe it, but perhaps something a bit similar to >meditation?
I know, I am evil :-0
Haha, nice one! ;)
Mind is a funny thing,
I really liked Bob Dylan music, was playing his records
a lot in those seventies.
Then I had a vision once, when washing things down my drain,
a vision 'Love Your Mother' as text HUGE over all other things I did see.
I figured later my subconscious was trying to tell me, spaced out lifeform, what REALLY was important.
That was a year or so before I started checking out gurus and doing meditation.
Listen to your subconscious if you can.
Never had any experience like that. On the other hand, I'm quite content
and happy. The toughest demon I'm battling is boredom.
I think one of
the biggest things that influenced my relationship to myself is when I >studied philosophy at university. I really like it, and I kept up the
reading and thinking still, many decades after university, and it gives
me peace and introspection. Sometimes I wonder if it might not even be a
kind of very "cerebral" or intellectualized meditation at times?
I know there is something called Jnana yoga which is supposed to be more >intellectual. Perhaps there's a parallel there?
Got it! I don't know if it is the same, but I have a habit of "stepping
back" and being inside myself. Don't know really when I started with it,
and I can't really describe it, but perhaps something a bit similar to
meditation?
Could be, been in a situation several times where all I had was myself to cope with it.
Some adventures...
Had somebody put a gun at my head too.
Never had any experience like that. On the other hand, I'm quite content
and happy. The toughest demon I'm battling is boredom.
I have never known that 'boredom', always went into electronics, attracted to it like a magnet...
no time to get bored.
My father was a journalist, also was in the resistance in WW2.
I could read and write at a very young age, maybe because of watching my father behind a typewriter?
Got nice books about electronics from the library, was too young, mother had to come along and get an exception.
My parents wanted me to go to a university, but I just wanted to experiment..
I think one of
the biggest things that influenced my relationship to myself is when I
studied philosophy at university. I really like it, and I kept up the
reading and thinking still, many decades after university, and it gives
me peace and introspection. Sometimes I wonder if it might not even be a
kind of very "cerebral" or intellectualized meditation at times?
Wow, a guy were I worked also was studying philosophy, he had some study books with him,
let me read one of those, 'Descartes I think so I am' or whatever ??
It did not really click with me...
Later there was a prof in a German magazine that showed that with just a few neurons (neural net building blocks) you could create specific behavior in that sort of cars,
like circling each other or avoiding each other, tried that too.
That was the start of neural nets, did some programming with those, plenty of Linux based open source available.
Psychology was always a big interest for me, Freud, Jung, Erich Fromm, whatever I came across.
There is more to it..
More and more shows me we are just a small neural net formed by chemicals from RNA DNA etc..
I know there is something called Jnana yoga which is supposed to be more
intellectual. Perhaps there's a parallel there?
Dunno much if anything about that, 'yoga' as such does not have my interest at all as like sitting in all sort of postures.
I used to make long marches as a kid, you got a medal if you completed one, had a box full, but was always more interested in the places we would go than in medals.
Close o 80 now, and still run faster than most here.
Biking a lot.
Trying to play musical keyboard lately.
Bit different from this Logitech computer keyboard...
Hmm, and those banks etc. they can't just send you a pre-generated page
in the format of your income tax declaration with the values already
filled in?
Some banks do that in sweden. You generate the pdf, print it, and it
comes out like your income tax declaration so that you do not have to transcribe any numbers at all.
Ahhh.... that sounds more like the teachers I had at university!
Finnish people have a natural reason to be paranoid and have a strong military. Sweden, due to its geographical location, has not, and that is
why sweden chose to be neutral up until now.
You should try different ones. Try Epictetus, some of the old greeks I
think are way more approachable than Descartes. If you are more
poetically inclined, try an existentialist or two, but I won't promise
that it would make any sense. I call them incontinental philosophers!
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/27/24 5:52 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, regardless of political ideology, schools have almost always (at >>>>> least in modern times) been government indoctrination centers.
When I was young, it was deliberate anti-commie/Russian
indoctrination. There were even some REQUIRED classes.
One used a text called "Americanism -vs- Communism".
Oh, and don't forget your "Duck and Cover" drills !
Now while "right"-ish, the main goal seemed to be militaristic.
They wanted everybody ready to become soldiers/cannon-fodder
without question.
The Russians have their own version - as do the Islamists.
As do the "Woke" ... but a lot of that makes the others
look sane by comparison.
You CAN bully/terrorize people into compliance - but that
takes a LOT of constant effort. Better to "own the hearts
and minds".
It's interesting how the "duck and cover" mentality is starting to
resurface in europe now, because of russia. Sweden re-instated mandatory >>> military service and they discovered the following:
Among non-ethnic young swedes, 50% could die for their country. Among
ethnic young swedes, 30% could die for their country.
Among the people (18 year olds) called to the draft, only 33% where
in sufficient
health to meet the military requirements.
Among the population at large I think around 50% were willing to die for >>> their country.
Would be interesting to compare this with US and other EU countries.
Would you say these are normal figures?
Hmmm ... "depends" on the TYPE of threat. There was a huge
surge in military enlistment after the 9-11 attacks, for
example - so many the mil could not absorbed them.
Now if China took over Mexico, well, not sure very many
would care.
As such, I'd say Americans react to tangible attacks
on "our stuff", "our land", but trend more isolationist
outside that category. Consider this attitude to be
a good thing, the USA *could* have taken over the
world after WW2, but instead paid to rebuild it.
Very interesting !
As for Swedes/Finns/Nords? ... can we BLAME them for
reviving all that Cold War paranoia ? Putin keeps making
more and more threats, keeps pressing troops closer to
their territory. Ukraine proved Russia WOULD launch
major military ops.
Finnish people have a natural reason to be paranoid and have a strong military. Sweden, due to its geographical location, has not, and that is
why sweden chose to be neutral up until now.
There is no way russia would be able to launch a sustainable attack on
sweden with finland and the baltics as a barrier in between. They could
drop bombs, sure, but land troops would have to go through finland or be transported with boat.
And if it is one thing I am confident about, it's that sweden would be
quite good at defending the sea with one of the world most modern
submarines.
So I am of the opinion that sweden should have remained neutral. Now
billions will be wasted to meet thet 2% GDP spending target of Nato to
no use.
But, alas, "duck and cover" just AIN'T GONNA DO IT folks.
Depends on the country and its geographical location.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:12:16 +0100, D wrote:
Finnish people have a natural reason to be paranoid and have a strong
military. Sweden, due to its geographical location, has not, and that is
why sweden chose to be neutral up until now.
Sweden was fortunate. Norway was either going to be invaded by the Brits
or the Germans and the Germans got there first. The Danes were realists
and didn't have a bad war. I've thought Poland could have done better.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
However...
I also remember reading that many people who do experience that come
back for more, and I always think... if it created real depth and
meaning, how come the people come back for more? Wouldn't it be enough
to experience it once? It does sounds to me that in some people it
stimulates some kind of addictive tendency.
Maybe the drugs experience shows those people that what you see is
what your mind makes of reality,
so sort of an escape if your reality sucks.
Makes sense I think, of most drugs that give you a high.
I also wonder about individual brain setup. Are these trips of love and
connectedness something some people are prone to, and others not? Could
it be that mystics and saints are just genetically gifted?
Sure people are different, exploitation is done by many who call
themselves 'holy'
was reading about some Christian priest in a sect in Africa that had
hundreds of people starve themselves to death to attain 'salvation'.
Guy now is arrested, they are digging up the dead bodies, how can
anyone fall for that?
If I get hungry I want to eat :-)
https://theconversation.com/kenyas-starvation-cult-left-hundreds-dead-a-psychologists-view-on-how-to-support-people-as-they-process-tragedy-205135
Very sad. Wasn't it Einstein who said that two things ar infinite? The universe and human stupidity? ;)
When you say "finding yourself" what do you mean?
Pay attention to your own feeling, versus like those starvation cult
people did not pay attention to feeling hungry perhaps.
Got it! I don't know if it is the same, but I have a habit of "stepping
back" and being inside myself. Don't know really when I started with it,
and I can't really describe it, but perhaps something a bit similar to meditation?
I know, I am evil :-0
Haha, nice one! ;)
Mind is a funny thing,
I really liked Bob Dylan music, was playing his records
a lot in those seventies.
Then I had a vision once, when washing things down my drain,
a vision 'Love Your Mother' as text HUGE over all other things I did see.
I figured later my subconscious was trying to tell me, spaced out
lifeform, what REALLY was important.
That was a year or so before I started checking out gurus and doing
meditation.
Listen to your subconscious if you can.
Never had any experience like that. On the other hand, I'm quite content
and happy.
I have lots of Danish relatives ... it WAS bad, just not so much in
the everything-being-blown-up sense. Denmark could not withstand
Germany in any overt military way, but there was a lot of
covert/guerilla action thereafter.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The Fermi paradox is an interesting riddle given the size of the
universe and the time scale it operates on.
"The Universe" IS big - but "big" also carries a certain
price ... ie, if Einie was even kind-of right, the chances
of any two planets of 'life' ever meeting each other would
be almost zero-point-zero. The TIMING issue makes that
all even more unlikely - "they" and "us" would have to
exist at about the same time.
Well, if speed of light is a hard limit, that makes sense. But don't we
have theoretical frame works for faster than light travel? If any of
those are possible, Fermi does strike again.
Also there is the lack of radio-waves and other detectable activity.
Republican religious leaders will make NASA deny it
NASA found life on Mars long ago:
http://www.gillevin.com/
Only if it was earth life blown off during a big
asteroid strike. It'd be DEAD though, Mars is nasty.
Or are we martians? Did a piece of mars split off and land on earth?
Given the Big Zero (allegedly) found on Mars so far ... I'd
vote for (dead) bits of Earth life splattering THERE. The
old Dino meteor threw up a LOT of material from a coastal
estuary. SOME surely made it to Mars. Of course even then
Mars was a dried-out radiation-soaked husk ...
I think that is one of the reasons for mars first. Mars was habitable
before the earth. Never heard of the reverse theory, so that is very interesting!
Haha, brilliant! I could easily imagine greenies getting some kind of
moratorium on mars exploration because bacterias have rights too!
Bet yer fortune on it ! SLIGHTEST hint of life and
Mars will become a Nature Preserve - well, until
'western civ' crumbles, then it's a free-fer-all ...
On the other hand, if that life has some kind of potent medical use,
that could be a gold mine too.
But I would love for it to happen only to see how it would affect some
of the big world religions and religious conservatives.
After 100 years of "UFO" stories/lit/cinema ... I don't
think it'd go down all THAT badly. There WOULD be a few
"doom" sects ... but then there always are.
That's also fascinating! We _still_ read about UFO conspiracies in the
media after what... 80 years? Still no 100% proof after 80 years of
reading about this in the newspapers.
Jungs ideas about mass hallucination does sounds quite plausible to me.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:17:23 +0100, D wrote:
Hmm, and those banks etc. they can't just send you a pre-generated page
in the format of your income tax declaration with the values already
filled in?
Some banks do that in sweden. You generate the pdf, print it, and it
comes out like your income tax declaration so that you do not have to
transcribe any numbers at all.
I haven't done the paper/pdf form 1040 in years but here it is:
On a sunny day (Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:09:50 +0100) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <6c88bcc7-bd86-5e7a-be3c-e072cf3f7c64@example.net>:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:15:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
In one school we had a great physics teacher,
in his auditorium I would go for a place in the back.
One of my college physics professors liked to demonstrate principles. One >>> of his famous (notorious?) lectures involved firing up a model pulsejet in >>> the lecture hall. No fool, he did it at the end of the lecture.
Sigh... where were those teachers when I went to university? Our physics
teacher always talked about how bad we all were and let his 12 years old
son solve differential equations to show that a 12 year old can do it, so
you should all be ashamed of yourselves. ;)
This is similar to what now comes as 'software developers' from some places. They do not know how to hold a soldering iron or how to program in asm,
they just put bloat on bloat and bloat.
No clue of the hardware they use.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:13:12 +0100, D wrote:
Ahhh.... that sounds more like the teachers I had at university!
The freshman greeting lecture started with 'Look to your right and to your left. One of you will graduate.' I think that's a fairly standard pep
talk but it was also accurate. Each discipline had its sieve be it e-mag, thermo, o-chem, strength of materials, or whatever usually in the second
or third year.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:17:23 +0100, D wrote:
Hmm, and those banks etc. they can't just send you a pre-generated page
in the format of your income tax declaration with the values already
filled in?
Some banks do that in sweden. You generate the pdf, print it, and it
comes out like your income tax declaration so that you do not have to
transcribe any numbers at all.
I haven't done the paper/pdf form 1040 in years but here it is:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf
That's the distillation of a gaggle of other forms, schedules, and worksheets. Some of those read like flowcharts. If line 14 is greater than line 7 of form 9912 go to line 32 else go to line 16.
What you get from a bank is a Form 1099-INT
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099int.pdf
Those are consolidated on Form 1040 Schedule B:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sb.pdf
which is stapled to Form 1040.
Kafka would be proud. I use an on-line service that walks you through
several pages gather information from the appropriate boxes and then electronically transmits the whole mess to the IRS. That works for 'uncomplicated' returns.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:12:16 +0100, D wrote:
Finnish people have a natural reason to be paranoid and have a strong
military. Sweden, due to its geographical location, has not, and that is
why sweden chose to be neutral up until now.
Sweden was fortunate. Norway was either going to be invaded by the Brits
or the Germans and the Germans got there first. The Danes were realists
and didn't have a bad war. I've thought Poland could have done better.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:37:52 +0100, D wrote:
You should try different ones. Try Epictetus, some of the old greeks I
think are way more approachable than Descartes. If you are more
poetically inclined, try an existentialist or two, but I won't promise
that it would make any sense. I call them incontinental philosophers!
Despite coming of age during the heyday of existentialism I never did
quite figure out what it was. After sitting through plays by Ionesco,
Sartre, or Becket my conclusion was 'not much'. Buber, Tillich, and Kierkegaard didn't shed much light either.
Makes sense I think, of most drugs that give you a high.
Nah ... it's mostly for the BUZZ :-)
Some the highest consumers of dope are the people who
can afford the most ... the upper-middle/rich punks.
They do not need to 'escape' their world of poolside
cabanas and weekends on the yacht and streams of
yummy bedmates.
Very sad. Wasn't it Einstein who said that two things ar infinite? The
universe and human stupidity? ;)
Humans ARE only Just So Bright on the whole ... and as
the Buddha taught, we're kinda restricted to seeing
"reality" though our own physical limitations, through
"human-colored glasses" so to speak.
'Democracy', fascism, communism, Islamism, Monarchism,
WhatEverIsm, pick yer fave - but in the end they look
more or less the same to Joe Average - and it's because
PEOPLE are involved and people see/act/react about
Finnish people have a natural reason to be paranoid and have a strong
military. Sweden, due to its geographical location, has not, and that is
why sweden chose to be neutral up until now.
Sweden was not so "isolated" as it perhaps believed.
Maybe in the Old Days, but with jet/rocket-powered
everything these days it's really just minutes away
from sharp pointy end of Russian power.
Sweden and Denmark also control the quite restrictive
path between the North and Baltic seas - a major route
for Russian commerce and naval assets. If things get
worse Putin WILL want control of that.
There is no way russia would be able to launch a sustainable attack on
sweden with finland and the baltics as a barrier in between. They could
drop bombs, sure, but land troops would have to go through finland or be
transported with boat.
Both ways work. Not AS efficient as desired, but can
still be effective. Paratroops for initial shock.
Finland has a huge border with Russia, so it's wide
open to conventional ground assault. Sweden is not
so bad off there except where it meets Finland, but
maybe Russia would not want to take ALL of Sweden,
just the vulnerable adjacent land in Sweden and Denmark.
There are a lot of people in and around there ; they
would become "hostages" (the new tactical facet
of late - all "honor" in war dissipated around 1918).
And if it is one thing I am confident about, it's that sweden would be
quite good at defending the sea with one of the world most modern
submarines.
If Russia is smart it'll put a ringer on that sub, and/or
the support/maint teams for it. SO much easier to attack
from within ...
So I am of the opinion that sweden should have remained neutral. Now
billions will be wasted to meet thet 2% GDP spending target of Nato to no
use.
As I said, the "world is smaller" now - nobody can rely
on physical isolation. That gap between Sweden and Denmark
is a MAJOR asset too. No matter what, Sweden gets dragged
in almost immediately. It was time to abandon "neutrality"
IMHO, and clearly the Swedes thought so.
But, alas, "duck and cover" just AIN'T GONNA DO IT folks.
Depends on the country and its geographical location.
South-pacific island maybe ??? Only just so many ...
I still hope enough sanity remains so nobody will actually
'push the button' ... but, esp with China's now-large force,
everywhere strategic IS at threat. That includes Oz and NZ
and certain parts of S.America too. The modern world is
now SO automated, critical assets SO concentrated, that
you don't have to blow up the world to totally ruin it all
for an opponent.
Consider the Baltimore Bridge incident of a few days ago -
it's a BUSY port - yet a single ship put it mostly out of
biz for months. That's a HUGE loss of money and a lot of
chaos. Still can't be 100% sure that incident was an
"accident", easy to tamper with modern systems via net
connections these days. Ask UnitedHealthCare, or try to
insure certain models of Kia in the USA .....
That's also fascinating! We _still_ read about UFO conspiracies in the
media after what... 80 years? Still no 100% proof after 80 years of
reading about this in the newspapers.
Jungs ideas about mass hallucination does sounds quite plausible to me.
People DO tend to see what they want/EXPECT to see.
Frankly I'm really tired of fuzzy jumpy pix of floating
"dots" in the sky. 99.999% chance it's military drones.
Show me 500 vids of some big UFO drifting low over
Cleveland or something. Anything less is just the "Alienist
Religion" at work IMHO.
I'd suggest an 1800s book - still in print - entitled
"Popular Delusions and the Madness Of Crowds".
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Got it! I don't know if it is the same, but I have a habit of "stepping
back" and being inside myself. Don't know really when I started with it, >>> and I can't really describe it, but perhaps something a bit similar to
meditation?
Could be, been in a situation several times where all I had was myself to cope with it.
Some adventures...
Had somebody put a gun at my head too.
Wow, what a world we live in. I have only been verbally threatened with
a knife, seen a guy being threatened with a knife, and almost had a
police man draw a gun on me when I wanted to buy a sandwich at a 7/11 in
the US, but never actually had a gun pointed at me fortunately! =)
https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cognitive-behavioralNever had any experience like that. On the other hand, I'm quite content >>> and happy. The toughest demon I'm battling is boredom.
I have never known that 'boredom', always went into electronics, attracted to it like a magnet...
no time to get bored.
My father was a journalist, also was in the resistance in WW2.
I could read and write at a very young age, maybe because of watching my father behind a typewriter?
Got nice books about electronics from the library, was too young, mother had to come along and get an exception.
My parents wanted me to go to a university, but I just wanted to experiment..
Well, I make a distinction here. I can for sure entertain myself with
books, thinking, business etc. But sometimes, I have a creeping feeling
of boredom as in "nothing ever changes", kind of like the world does not >surprise me any longer. Maybe you could call it some kind of existential >boredom?
But then I throw myself into a project, a book some thinking, and that
keeps me occupied. ;)
I think one of
the biggest things that influenced my relationship to myself is when I
studied philosophy at university. I really like it, and I kept up the
reading and thinking still, many decades after university, and it gives
me peace and introspection. Sometimes I wonder if it might not even be a >>> kind of very "cerebral" or intellectualized meditation at times?
Wow, a guy were I worked also was studying philosophy, he had some study books with him,
let me read one of those, 'Descartes I think so I am' or whatever ??
It did not really click with me...
You should try different ones. Try Epictetus, some of the old greeks I
think are way more approachable than Descartes. If you are more
poetically inclined, try an existentialist or two, but I won't promise
that it would make any sense. I call them incontinental philosophers!
;)
Later there was a prof in a German magazine that showed that with just a few neurons (neural net building blocks) you could
create specific behavior in that sort of cars,
like circling each other or avoiding each other, tried that too.
That was the start of neural nets, did some programming with those, plenty of Linux based open source available.
Yes, I remember replicas of snakes for instance, where very simple
neural setups would mimic the movement patterns of snakes. Fascinating!
Psychology was always a big interest for me, Freud, Jung, Erich Fromm, whatever I came across.
There is more to it..
More and more shows me we are just a small neural net formed by chemicals from RNA DNA etc..
I classify a lot of Jung as poetry and as him letting us follow his own >individual spiritual journey. It is very inspirational, but in my
opinion, hardly scientific.
However!
What I do like about the old timers (also goes for philosophers) is
there ambition to build comprehensive systems, holistic theoretical >creations!
Today, with CBT it seems like most therapies and psychologies have as a
goal of solving immediate problems and symptoms, and no longer are
interested in the underlying cause. I think that development is a shame.
Of course, doing some quick and dirty CBT to solve a problem is a good
thing, but I still yearn for the "good old holistic days" when someone >thought he had a system that would explain it all.
I know there is something called Jnana yoga which is supposed to be more >>> intellectual. Perhaps there's a parallel there?
Dunno much if anything about that, 'yoga' as such does not have my interest at all as like sitting in all sort of postures.
I used to make long marches as a kid, you got a medal if you completed one, had a box full, but was always more interested in
the places we would go than in medals.
Close o 80 now, and still run faster than most here.
Biking a lot.
Trying to play musical keyboard lately.
Bit different from this Logitech computer keyboard...
With that lifestyle and motivation I am certain you will reach 100,
easily!
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:13:12 +0100, D wrote:
Ahhh.... that sounds more like the teachers I had at university!
The freshman greeting lecture started with 'Look to your right and to your >left. One of you will graduate.' I think that's a fairly standard pep
talk but it was also accurate. Each discipline had its sieve be it e-mag, >thermo, o-chem, strength of materials, or whatever usually in the second
or third year.
2 police officers approached me, asked for an ID.
I reached for my passport in my back pocket, you should have seen their reaction...
So Jaspers I read as kind of "feel good poetry" rather than as
philosophy.
In terms of real philosophy, ones of my favourite proofs of the real
world is G.E. Moore with his "Here's a hand" proof. Great humour, but
when you think of it, also quite profound.
Um ... for just a relatively small amount of money, get an ACCOUNTING
FIRM to do your taxes. They will do it right and stand as a barrier
between you and an angry govt agency with unlimited powers. Just
sayin'
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:02:35 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um ... for just a relatively small amount of money, get an ACCOUNTING
FIRM to do your taxes. They will do it right and stand as a barrier
between you and an angry govt agency with unlimited powers. Just
sayin'
For me it isn't worth it. Fill in the boxes, take the standard deduction. FreeTaxUSA works for me. There is a nominal charge for the state filing
but the federal is free. They do try to upsell various services.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
That's also fascinating! We _still_ read about UFO conspiracies in the
media after what... 80 years? Still no 100% proof after 80 years of
reading about this in the newspapers.
Jungs ideas about mass hallucination does sounds quite plausible to me.
People DO tend to see what they want/EXPECT to see.
Frankly I'm really tired of fuzzy jumpy pix of floating
"dots" in the sky. 99.999% chance it's military drones.
Show me 500 vids of some big UFO drifting low over
Cleveland or something. Anything less is just the "Alienist
Religion" at work IMHO.
I'd suggest an 1800s book - still in print - entitled
"Popular Delusions and the Madness Of Crowds".
I agree. Christians will see Jesus, Moslems will see Muhammad, hindoos
will see the charming elefant god etc. I bet it is very seldom that a
die hard Hindoo will see Jesus is his vision.
Another fun fact is how people never even question the modern image of
jesus as (in some cases) blue eyed and brown hair, yet coming from the
middle east.
Another fun fact is that the image of jesus only appeared after several hundred years and before that, the image looked more like a shephard
boy. Yet... in the visions, it's the classic jesus picture we see.
As for aliens, I wonder if they are seen more by agnostics and atheists?
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to be
JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown
eyes.
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you
also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few
pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my
estate
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you
also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few
pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my
estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
On 3/30/24 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you
also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar. >>> Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few
pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my >>> estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a
complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy >> the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
Krugs have more copper in them than I'd like - it's
why they are a slightly different color. For pure
gold - American Eagles, Canadian Mapleleafs and
the Ozzies sell some nice ones too.
Alas, by reports, gold is up at around it's highest
price ever. Expect that to crash a bit after not
TOO long. Some big holders are gonna dump.
I really don't see gold as so much of an "investment"
because of buy/sell complications. However having SOME
gold coins is just fine. Don't neglect platinum and
rhodium ...
If you want hyper-expensive metals, try iridium.
On 3/29/24 2:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:02:35 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um ... for just a relatively small amount of money, get an ACCOUNTING >>> FIRM to do your taxes. They will do it right and stand as a barrier
between you and an angry govt agency with unlimited powers. Just
sayin'
For me it isn't worth it. Fill in the boxes, take the standard deduction.
FreeTaxUSA works for me. There is a nominal charge for the state filing
but the federal is free. They do try to upsell various services.
I "diversified" - so taxes aren't quite so straight-up.
But, the plus, no matter the disaster I won't lose EVERYTHING.
That's worth spending a little extra on accountants.
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If
it's bad you also can't SELL it for more than maybe
fifty, or less, on the dollar. Try buying a sub at 7-11
with a gold coin :-) Maybe I'll buy a few pretty gold
coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of
my estate :-)
On a sunny day (28 Mar 2024 18:43:07 GMT) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l6ls1rFpu2lU3@mid.individual.net>:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:13:12 +0100, D wrote:
Ahhh.... that sounds more like the teachers I had at university!
The freshman greeting lecture started with 'Look to your right and to your >> left. One of you will graduate.' I think that's a fairly standard pep
talk but it was also accurate. Each discipline had its sieve be it e-mag,
thermo, o-chem, strength of materials, or whatever usually in the second
or third year.
That is so in many places,
in the electronics school we started with a class of 30.
I remember the party after the exams in the local pub,
six of us had passed.
Later, when I went into broadcasting, we were given six month payed training in the school banks on all the stuff related of it.
Of the six of us 2 dropped out right away, one later, one was moved to a less technical function,
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:43:33 +0100, D wrote:
So Jaspers I read as kind of "feel good poetry" rather than as
philosophy.
In terms of real philosophy, ones of my favourite proofs of the real
world is G.E. Moore with his "Here's a hand" proof. Great humour, but
when you think of it, also quite profound.
I vaguely remember reading Jaspers. My preferences are Nietzsche and Heidegger. Nietzsche is sometimes associated with existentialism although
I don't see it. So is Heidegger although he stated he was not. It's a convenient bucket to drop in anyone you don't understand.
On 3/29/24 2:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 02:02:35 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um ... for just a relatively small amount of money, get an ACCOUNTING >>> FIRM to do your taxes. They will do it right and stand as a barrier
between you and an angry govt agency with unlimited powers. Just
sayin'
For me it isn't worth it. Fill in the boxes, take the standard deduction.
FreeTaxUSA works for me. There is a nominal charge for the state filing
but the federal is free. They do try to upsell various services.
I "diversified" - so taxes aren't quite so straight-up.
But, the plus, no matter the disaster I won't lose EVERYTHING.
That's worth spending a little extra on accountants.
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If
it's bad you also can't SELL it for more than maybe
fifty, or less, on the dollar. Try buying a sub at 7-11
with a gold coin :-) Maybe I'll buy a few pretty gold
coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of
my estate :-)
Wow, what a world we live in. I have only been verbally threatened with
a knife, seen a guy being threatened with a knife, and almost had a
police man draw a gun on me when I wanted to buy a sandwich at a 7/11 in
the US, but never actually had a gun pointed at me fortunately! =)
Yes, police did almost draw on me in LA, was coming from a hotel there, crossed the street, wanted to take a bus downtown, red pedestrian traffic light,
was no traffic, so I just crossed.
2 police officers approached me, asked for an ID.
I reached for my passport in my back pocket, you should have seen their reaction...
I told them in Amsterdam nobody cared about pedestrian lights if there was no traffic.
Been in LA for a while, worked there too, Santa Monica beach, nice, then north via SF to Portland Oregon, worked there too,
went to a black church there once, fascinating, stayed with the Jesus people a few days...
then back to LA, then south to the border :-)
Learning US way of life...
What I do like about the old timers (also goes for philosophers) ishttps://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cognitive-behavioral
there ambition to build comprehensive systems, holistic theoretical
creations!
Today, with CBT it seems like most therapies and psychologies have as a
goal of solving immediate problems and symptoms, and no longer are
interested in the underlying cause. I think that development is a shame.
Yep, but then again much of our neural net is formed early, some configuration
passed via DNA, some learned early.
How is it that some animals can walk right after birth, some know how to find food when being born from eggs far away from
others, turtles know how to move to the sea after hatching.. etc
I am sure I inherited much of what I am, also in brain configuration, from my parents.
So could that be changed?
People who had traumas early in life, maybe hard to change...
With that lifestyle and motivation I am certain you will reach 100,
easily!
I am not sure about that 100, but my condition is still good.
Very low heart rate when relaxed.. seen 48 ticks per minute a few weeks back. Higher when doing things.
I run up and down stairs... seems to amaze people of my age..
Living forever has never been a goal for me.
Many old friends and people I worked with have now passed away...
It seems people get older in the south around Italy, I use a lot of olive oil from there,
maybe it has some positive effects on longlivity, grapes, kiwis, spaghetti, pizza, French fries... bananas... chili, pepper, salt, butter, yogurt is what I mostly consume.
apricots too, full grain bread... Not much rice lately... and cheese every day.
No coffee or tea, do not feel the need.. Orange juice and apple juice: a lot. Mushrooms a lot too.
I like cooking.
A new world war could now happen any time in 2024? IMO.
Survival? I am used to a bit of radiation, we had Chernobyl fallout here,
you were advised to not eat stuff from your garden.
Where I worked at that time the airco filters had to be replaced as those were 'hot',
imagine what you were breathing outside all day.
Before that I worked a while at a large accelerator in Amsterdam, lots of radioactive stuff in use,
just after I left that whole place got contaminated.. careless they were.
But OTOH wild life is flourishing around Chernobyl, mostly because there are no people there to kill it now
in the forbidden area..
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to be
JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown
eyes.
https://archive.org/details/connerj.e.christwasnotajew1936
The author does a lot of gymnastics trying to wrestle Jesus from the Jews. There may be a grain of truth to his assertion the Galilee saw a number of ethnic groups over the centuries, some of which were converted to Judaism. Was Sammy Davis Jr. a Jew?
British Israelism is another convoluted attempt goes back to James VI and
I who not only believed in the divine right of kings but thought he was
the true king of Israel. It was imported to the US and morphed into Christianity Identity.
Nothing new. Marcion, c. 150, figured Yahweh was a completely different
god than the one Jesus talked about. He discarded the OT completely, and
kept an edited version of Luke and some of the Pauline writings. Some biblical scholars think his gospel was actually the first and was copied
by Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. If his faction hadn't gotten beaten down Christianity would be different today.
I agree. Christians will see Jesus, Moslems will see Muhammad, hindoos
will see the charming elefant god etc. I bet it is very seldom that a
die hard Hindoo will see Jesus is his vision.
Yep, given so-so info, the brain just fills-in what
it WANTS/EXPECTS/NEEDS to see. I see this as a survival
adaption, improves yer chances of spotting the tiger.
Odd how often Elvis shows up in Waffle House breakfasts
however ....
Another fun fact is how people never even question the modern image of
jesus as (in some cases) blue eyed and brown hair, yet coming from the
middle east.
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed
to be JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair,
dark brown eyes.
Another fun fact is that the image of jesus only appeared after several
hundred years and before that, the image looked more like a shephard
boy. Yet... in the visions, it's the classic jesus picture we see.
Face it, NOBODY knew what he looked like. Artists and such
just Made It Up later on. Could have looked like Mel Brooks.
As for aliens, I wonder if they are seen more by agnostics and atheists?
That's an interesting stat question. MIGHT be just enough
data these days for an answer. Theists are more inclined
to see "angels" or "gods" or "demons" or whatever - or at
least did before the Modern Age and lots of UFO movies.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you
also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few
pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my
estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:Then you have Unitarianism which is not too big on the OT as well, and
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to
be JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown
eyes.
https://archive.org/details/connerj.e.christwasnotajew1936
The author does a lot of gymnastics trying to wrestle Jesus from the
Jews.
There may be a grain of truth to his assertion the Galilee saw a number
of ethnic groups over the centuries, some of which were converted to
Judaism.
Was Sammy Davis Jr. a Jew?
British Israelism is another convoluted attempt goes back to James VI
and I who not only believed in the divine right of kings but thought he
was the true king of Israel. It was imported to the US and morphed into
Christianity Identity.
Nothing new. Marcion, c. 150, figured Yahweh was a completely different
god than the one Jesus talked about. He discarded the OT completely,
and kept an edited version of Luke and some of the Pauline writings.
Some biblical scholars think his gospel was actually the first and was
copied by Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. If his faction hadn't gotten
beaten down Christianity would be different today.
my feelings is that the Quakers are also kind of "minimalist" christians
with very light connections to the OT.
In terms of christianity, I think my favourite denominations are quakers
and unitarians.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:42:43 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <389ea769-b85e-0660-75af-21f510bac70a@example.net>:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:Then you have Unitarianism which is not too big on the OT as well, and
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to
be JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown >>>> eyes.
https://archive.org/details/connerj.e.christwasnotajew1936
The author does a lot of gymnastics trying to wrestle Jesus from the
Jews.
There may be a grain of truth to his assertion the Galilee saw a number
of ethnic groups over the centuries, some of which were converted to
Judaism.
Was Sammy Davis Jr. a Jew?
British Israelism is another convoluted attempt goes back to James VI
and I who not only believed in the divine right of kings but thought he
was the true king of Israel. It was imported to the US and morphed into
Christianity Identity.
Nothing new. Marcion, c. 150, figured Yahweh was a completely different
god than the one Jesus talked about. He discarded the OT completely,
and kept an edited version of Luke and some of the Pauline writings.
Some biblical scholars think his gospel was actually the first and was
copied by Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. If his faction hadn't gotten
beaten down Christianity would be different today.
my feelings is that the Quakers are also kind of "minimalist" christians
with very light connections to the OT.
In terms of christianity, I think my favourite denominations are quakers
and unitarians.
UU's aren't necessarily Christian. Some are -- in thinking
and practice -- Pagan, Jewish, Buddhist, even Secular Humanist.
"We need not think alike to love alike." — Francis David
I'm currently reading the Joyous Science, and I can see why some think Nietzsche could be existentialist, although in my case I would classify
him as kind of a "proto-existentialist".
Heidegger however, is a philosopher I have not read. I've read about him
but it doesn't quite speak to me. Maybe I should have another look.
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about
the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
The way of the technologist is not for the faint of heart!
Then you have Unitarianism which is not too big on the OT as well, and
my feelings is that the Quakers are also kind of "minimalist" christians
with very light connections to the OT.
UU's aren't necessarily Christian. Some are -- in thinking and practice
-- Pagan, Jewish, Buddhist, even Secular Humanist.
You are probably talking about unitarian universalists, the modern humanitarian sect. I am talking about the original unitarians in the
1800s. Sorry for being unclear.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 06:25:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
As will copper mines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Cornelia_mine
I've spent some time in a very small town about 10 miles south of Ajo. You >could always tell how the wind was blowing by the plume of dust over the >tailings heap.
Very green. Better keep the facilities for producing and refining all that >copper out of sight and out of mind like most of the ugly predecessors of >green technology.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to be >>> JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown
eyes.
https://archive.org/details/connerj.e.christwasnotajew1936
The author does a lot of gymnastics trying to wrestle Jesus from the
Jews.
There may be a grain of truth to his assertion the Galilee saw a
number of
ethnic groups over the centuries, some of which were converted to
Judaism.
Was Sammy Davis Jr. a Jew?
British Israelism is another convoluted attempt goes back to James VI and
I who not only believed in the divine right of kings but thought he was
the true king of Israel. It was imported to the US and morphed into
Christianity Identity.
Nothing new. Marcion, c. 150, figured Yahweh was a completely different
god than the one Jesus talked about. He discarded the OT completely, and
kept an edited version of Luke and some of the Pauline writings. Some
biblical scholars think his gospel was actually the first and was copied
by Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. If his faction hadn't gotten beaten
down
Christianity would be different today.
Then you have Unitarianism which is not too big on the OT as well, and
my feelings is that the Quakers are also kind of "minimalist" christians
with very light connections to the OT.
In terms of christianity, I think my favourite denominations are quakers
and unitarians.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about
the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I
do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the compound.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but have too many other projects.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:38:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed to be
JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair, dark brown
eyes.
https://archive.org/details/connerj.e.christwasnotajew1936
The author does a lot of gymnastics trying to wrestle Jesus from the Jews. There may be a grain of truth to his assertion the Galilee saw a number of ethnic groups over the centuries, some of which were converted to Judaism. Was Sammy Davis Jr. a Jew?
British Israelism is another convoluted attempt goes back to James VI and
I who not only believed in the divine right of kings but thought he was
the true king of Israel. It was imported to the US and morphed into Christianity Identity.
Nothing new. Marcion, c. 150, figured Yahweh was a completely different
god than the one Jesus talked about. He discarded the OT completely, and
kept an edited version of Luke and some of the Pauline writings. Some biblical scholars think his gospel was actually the first and was copied
by Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. If his faction hadn't gotten beaten down Christianity would be different today.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
I agree. Christians will see Jesus, Moslems will see Muhammad, hindoos
will see the charming elefant god etc. I bet it is very seldom that a
die hard Hindoo will see Jesus is his vision.
Yep, given so-so info, the brain just fills-in what
it WANTS/EXPECTS/NEEDS to see. I see this as a survival
adaption, improves yer chances of spotting the tiger.
Odd how often Elvis shows up in Waffle House breakfasts
however ....
Hmm, probably Elvis is the proto-phenomenon that then transformed into
seeing gods, deities and the rest. ;)
Another fun fact is how people never even question the modern image of
jesus as (in some cases) blue eyed and brown hair, yet coming from the
middle east.
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed
to be JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair,
dark brown eyes.
Another fun fact is that the image of jesus only appeared after several
hundred years and before that, the image looked more like a shephard
boy. Yet... in the visions, it's the classic jesus picture we see.
Face it, NOBODY knew what he looked like. Artists and such
just Made It Up later on. Could have looked like Mel Brooks.
As for aliens, I wonder if they are seen more by agnostics and atheists?
That's an interesting stat question. MIGHT be just enough
data these days for an answer. Theists are more inclined
to see "angels" or "gods" or "demons" or whatever - or at
least did before the Modern Age and lots of UFO movies.
Movies and correlation with culture and exposure is an interesting path.
I wonder if there were lots of UFO sighting inthe 17 and 18 hundreds?
Did it start during ww1 or ww2?
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:34:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <sdGdnSuGm8PJOZr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/30/24 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you >>>> also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar. >>>> Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few
pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my >>>> estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a >>> complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy >>> the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
Krugs have more copper in them than I'd like - it's
why they are a slightly different color. For pure
gold - American Eagles, Canadian Mapleleafs and
the Ozzies sell some nice ones too.
Alas, by reports, gold is up at around it's highest
price ever. Expect that to crash a bit after not
TOO long. Some big holders are gonna dump.
I really don't see gold as so much of an "investment"
because of buy/sell complications. However having SOME
gold coins is just fine. Don't neglect platinum and
rhodium ...
If you want hyper-expensive metals, try iridium.
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:44:01 +0100, D wrote:
The way of the technologist is not for the faint of heart!
Like the sudden interest in technology as the US gazed at Sputnik, the current STEM movement doesn't realize there is a personality component involved. Even back in the '80s when Massachusetts had too many teachers
the advice was 'learn to code'.
The Jungian personality types aren't the be all and end all but any
starting with an E probably aren't going to make good working engineers or scientists. But then, since I always come out as INTP, I don't really understand them.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:47:16 +0100, D wrote:
I'm currently reading the Joyous Science, and I can see why some think
Nietzsche could be existentialist, although in my case I would classify
him as kind of a "proto-existentialist".
That threw me for a moment. It may be different now but the copy I have
is Kaufmann's translation and is title 'The Gay Science'. For some reason
my mind jumped to C.S. Lewis' 'Surprised by Joy'. That's an odd book as
he discusses his early attraction to the pre-Christian Nordic religions.
Then there is input by Tolkein and others and one day he rides to the zoo
in his brother's motorcycle sidecar and emerges a Christian. An Anglican Christian, that is, which pissed off Tolkein who was trying to recruit him
to the Catholic Chruch.
Heidegger however, is a philosopher I have not read. I've read about him
but it doesn't quite speak to me. Maybe I should have another look.
He is difficult with neologisms and unique usages. He is a translator's nightmare and I've sometimes wondered if the translation made it worse. Richard Polt's 'Heidegger: An Introduction' and his translation of 'Introduction to Metaphysics'
'Introduction' follows Nietzsche by looking at the pre-Socratics and how Plato/Socrates screwed up and created metaphysics. According to Polt there was supposed to be a second volume of 'Being and Time' but Heidegger
realized he'd hit a dead end and switched his inquiry.
'The Question Concerning Technology' is similar to Ellul's 'The
Technological Society' although Ellul is a Christian anarchist. Post WWII many people were questioning if technology was all it was cracked up to
be.
Ernst Jünger was primarily a novelist and Heidegger didn't consider him a philosopher but Jünger did influence Heidegger's take on technology. Their correspondence from 1949 to 1975 has been translated to English. Both required a little rehabilitation after the war. Jünger had been against
the NSDAP if anything but was still suspect. Heidegger was more 'go along
to get along'. Nietzsche's sister didn't help his reputation although he
was long dead.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about
the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I
do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the compound.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but have too many other projects.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:42:43 +0100, D wrote:
Then you have Unitarianism which is not too big on the OT as well, and
my feelings is that the Quakers are also kind of "minimalist" christians
with very light connections to the OT.
Unitarians vary. I attended a Unitarian church in a small Maine town that
was sort of the social center. It was vaguely Christian. The Unitarian
church in Cambridge MA was much closer to its roots in Congregationalism.
The one in Ft. Wayne built booths out in the parking lot for Sukkot. Then there is CUPS.
https://cuups.org/
https://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-believe/principles
The seven principles and six sources leave it open for just about
anything. I've no idea what the local version subscribes to.
My early indoctrination was in Catholicism and I get uneasy around
religions that don't have an identifiable doctrine. For all its faults the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' says 'We believe this. We don't believe that. We don't have an opinion.', with footnotes. The 'no opinion' covers
the Young Earth theory and such. I don't think many Catholics believe it
but it's not proscribed.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 19:39:04 +0100, D wrote:
You are probably talking about unitarian universalists, the modern
humanitarian sect. I am talking about the original unitarians in the
1800s. Sorry for being unclear.
Actually the original Unitarians were from 16th century Transylvania. The Universalists don't have as long a history. In the US it goes back to the late 1700s with the belief in universal salvation. At around the same time some of the Congregationalists who had descended from Puritans, were
drifting away from the Calvinist theology. Harvard and Yale were founded
by the Congregationalists. By 1805 the Harvard divinity School had went Unitarian. The Unitarians and Universalists joined in 1961.
If you talk to a Unitarian minister they will start with Transylvania, journey forward throwing in famous people like Priestley, and eventually
get to where they are now which is either everything or nothing.
On 3/30/24 8:40 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
I agree. Christians will see Jesus, Moslems will see Muhammad, hindoos >>>> will see the charming elefant god etc. I bet it is very seldom that a
die hard Hindoo will see Jesus is his vision.
Yep, given so-so info, the brain just fills-in what
it WANTS/EXPECTS/NEEDS to see. I see this as a survival
adaption, improves yer chances of spotting the tiger.
Odd how often Elvis shows up in Waffle House breakfasts
however ....
Hmm, probably Elvis is the proto-phenomenon that then transformed into
seeing gods, deities and the rest. ;)
Another fun fact is how people never even question the modern image of >>>> jesus as (in some cases) blue eyed and brown hair, yet coming from the >>>> middle east.
Um, yea, really. That Jesus guy. and alleged Mom, were supposed
to be JEWS, Semites. That'd mean olive skin, dark wavy hair,
dark brown eyes.
Another fun fact is that the image of jesus only appeared after several >>>> hundred years and before that, the image looked more like a shephard
boy. Yet... in the visions, it's the classic jesus picture we see.
Face it, NOBODY knew what he looked like. Artists and such
just Made It Up later on. Could have looked like Mel Brooks.
As for aliens, I wonder if they are seen more by agnostics and atheists? >>>That's an interesting stat question. MIGHT be just enough
data these days for an answer. Theists are more inclined
to see "angels" or "gods" or "demons" or whatever - or at
least did before the Modern Age and lots of UFO movies.
Movies and correlation with culture and exposure is an interesting path.
I wonder if there were lots of UFO sighting inthe 17 and 18 hundreds?
Did it start during ww1 or ww2?
Phenom much resembling more modern "UFOs", even the "tic-tacs",
have been reported for a LONG time. History says that the Roman
emperor Constantine saw some similar apparitions in the sky on
the eve of a battle and that caused him to convert to Christianity.
Some other stuff :
https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/what-did-ancients-see-unidentified-flying-objects-made-impact-early-history-021327
As these apparitions tend to appear around large battles, I'd
figure the aliens are making a Reality Show entitled "See The
Stupid Humans" :-)
On 3/30/24 2:25 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:34:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<sdGdnSuGm8PJOZr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/30/24 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you >>>>> also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few >>>>> pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my >>>>> estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a >>>> complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy >>>> the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
Krugs have more copper in them than I'd like - it's
why they are a slightly different color. For pure
gold - American Eagles, Canadian Mapleleafs and
the Ozzies sell some nice ones too.
Alas, by reports, gold is up at around it's highest
price ever. Expect that to crash a bit after not
TOO long. Some big holders are gonna dump.
I really don't see gold as so much of an "investment"
because of buy/sell complications. However having SOME
gold coins is just fine. Don't neglect platinum and
rhodium ...
If you want hyper-expensive metals, try iridium.
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
Gonna fill a warehouse with copper ingots ? :-)
What's the rent on a warehouse ?
Gold, just because it's gold, will always be somewhat
volatile. Parties will buy a lot, and then DUMP it and
kinda crash the price. Then it starts over.
In a SERIOUS depression situation, also consider how
much you will REALLY get on the dollar if you try to
sell it. If you're hungry, you'll take whatever you
can get ......
Platinum and Rhodium may be a more stable bet. They
slowly go up, but are not as volatile. Silver HAS
gone up of late, but it has a checkered history
accompanied by a lot of BS. There's PLENTY of silver,
regardless of what the ads tell you.
On 3/30/24 5:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about >>> the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I
do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the
compound.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but >> have too many other projects.
Decent bows are difficult to make, even with modern materials.
It's more craft, almost alchemy, than science.
For a do-it-yerself crossbow, consider a leaf spring from a
small car or trailer.
However ... why does 'survivalism' seem to concentrate SO much
on "Me -vs- Everybody" ? It's not really a tenable proposition.
There are more of "them", you can't cover everything and you
have to sleep. "They" WILL getcha, probably fairly soon. Real
"survivalism" seems more about "coalitions/cooperatives" IMHO.
Gotta pull together a dozen city blocks or nearby neighborhoods
into something that's adequate for both defense AND production/
acquisition of needed supplies.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about >>> the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I
do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the
compound.
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional
longbow (it has some kind of carbon fiber at the core) I shoot only wood.
But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but >> have too many other projects.
That's the eternal problem... so many things to do and where do I put my >energy to the best use? ;)
It would be nice if I had the ability to build my own longbow, but I don't >think I have the patience for it. My grandfather though, was very good at >wood working. He did amazing things!
On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:46:33 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <f154d76e-5a9e-778e-e496-c81f7b9c122a@example.net>:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about >>>> the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I >>> do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the
compound.
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional
longbow (it has some kind of carbon fiber at the core) I shoot only wood.
But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but >>> have too many other projects.
That's the eternal problem... so many things to do and where do I put my
energy to the best use? ;)
It would be nice if I had the ability to build my own longbow, but I don't >> think I have the patience for it. My grandfather though, was very good at
wood working. He did amazing things!
Anybody used a power laser?
I do have one, hitting an animal in the eye should make it blind in a second and then you can get it.
A more powerful laser will burn a hole in it.
Yes, I guess that is the problem with fairly new philosophies in todays diverse world and something which annoys me. Why? If you want to be a religion, you have to believe something, and you have to reject other
things.
If you accomodate all points of views and accepts everything, then you
might just as well be an ideology or philosophy or social club.
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional longbow (it has some kind of carbon
fiber at the core) I shoot only wood.
But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
Yet, all politicians in europe are wringing their hands in anger and
pain at the fact that so few women voluntarily go into IT (except
design). Since many of them refuse to acknowledge differences between
the genders,
they are intellectually trapped and will throw billions into recruitment programs that are doomed to fail from the start.
Still don't know what to make of it. I'm about 60% through, and some is interesting, some wrong, some madness. On the other hand, I like his way
of writing in short aphorisms, it makes it a much easier read, although
more difficult of course, to figure out the big themes.
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not
work in the supermarket here because of some technical problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to
blow those up to get some cash..
Decent bows are difficult to make, even with modern materials.
It's more craft, almost alchemy, than science.
For a do-it-yerself crossbow, consider a leaf spring from a small car
or trailer.
Even the vikings knew that the best way to get you to come out of your
house was to torch the house and then kill you when you come running out
the door, AR-15 or not. You have the classic siege, and the chinese used
to catapult in sick and dead people in the hope of getting a good
desease going in the enemy camp.
There are easily dozens of religions today. Go back before
Islamic/Xian imperialism and there were hundreds. Each was CONVINCED
they Had It Right, had their Proofs. As much as the religions dislike
each other though, the one thing that sends them all into a panic are
the "apostate" ... because THAT one idea kinda undermines ALL their
propaganda campaigns.
A nordic-looking Jesus would have been very UNUSUAL LOOKING and
that'd have surely made it into some of the histories, even Roman
records.
Not healthy for birds, not for humans either...
What alternatives do we have, import from other countries that do care
less about the environment (and maybe its people),
or have better mining sites?
Maybe traps are an easier choice depending on where you live?
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/30/24 5:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love
about
the crossbow.
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the
event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition.
I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I >>> do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for
the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the
compound.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an
exercise but
have too many other projects.
Decent bows are difficult to make, even with modern materials.
It's more craft, almost alchemy, than science.
For a do-it-yerself crossbow, consider a leaf spring from a
small car or trailer.
However ... why does 'survivalism' seem to concentrate SO much
on "Me -vs- Everybody" ? It's not really a tenable proposition.
There are more of "them", you can't cover everything and you
have to sleep. "They" WILL getcha, probably fairly soon. Real
"survivalism" seems more about "coalitions/cooperatives" IMHO.
Gotta pull together a dozen city blocks or nearby neighborhoods
into something that's adequate for both defense AND production/
acquisition of needed supplies.
Probably the smartest thing I've heard in a long time in survivalist
circles. I am always amazed when discussing the AR-15 for home defense.
And it does fail exactly as you describe.
Even the vikings knew that the best way to get you to come out of your
house was to torch the house and then kill you when you come running out
the door, AR-15 or not. You have the classic siege, and the chinese used
to catapult in sick and dead people in the hope of getting a good
desease going in the enemy camp.
With a community you also start to get the benefits of specialization! Helping each other out doing what you do best.
So I'm in very harmonious agreement with the strategy of forming a
community for more than bare bones survival.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 04:04:17 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Decent bows are difficult to make, even with modern materials.
It's more craft, almost alchemy, than science.
Getting a decent stave would be the first problem. From what I've read tillering the bow is a long process. One of my recurves is a takedown and that likely wouldn't be possible with a DIY.
For a do-it-yerself crossbow, consider a leaf spring from a small car
or trailer.
Years ago a magazine, Mechanix Illistrated' had a set of hardbound books:
https://www.amazon.com/Set-Mechanix-Illustrated-Encyclopedia-Volumes/dp/ B000EWKVTE
There were plans for a crossbow using a leaf spring. People were more ambitions then. I remember one series about building a sportscar using
panels from old (1940s) cars, a cannibilized frame and drive train, and filling in some parts with corrugated metal sheeting. Then there were the proverbial built a 25' powerboat in the basement articles. I often wonder
how many ever undertook the projects and finished them. Nice daydreams though.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:46:33 +0200, D wrote:
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional longbow (it has some kind of carbon
fiber at the core) I shoot only wood.
But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
What you really have to look at is the spine of the arrow. You can get
either wood or carbon with the correct spine for your bow. However carbon
is usually more consistent and groups better. I buy Port Orford cedar
shafts from 3 Rivers and you specify the spine or stiffness. Being wood, there will be a range. The truly OCD types would buy 100 shafts, measure
the stiffness, and sort them out. I'm not that good an archer to bother although when I'm reloading and going for accuracy I do weigh each bullet
and kick out the ones more than 0.1 grain off the stated amount.
For practical purposes, wood breaks, carbon shatters :) I salvage the
points, nocks, and fletching from the wooden arrows.
A lot of it is aesthetics. A stick bow and wood arrows are traditional, compounds and carbon are high-tech. Mix and match just doesn't look right.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:09:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not
work in the supermarket here because of some technical problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to
blow those up to get some cash..
Except for pay at the pump I use cash for everyday transactions so I
always keep some around. Even when traveling I prefer cash although hotels/motels usually insist on a credit card.
On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Mar 2024 04:15:32 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <tw2dnakFsuI4hpT7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/30/24 2:25 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:34:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<sdGdnSuGm8PJOZr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/30/24 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you >>>>>> also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few >>>>>> pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my
estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a >>>>> complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy
the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
Krugs have more copper in them than I'd like - it's
why they are a slightly different color. For pure
gold - American Eagles, Canadian Mapleleafs and
the Ozzies sell some nice ones too.
Alas, by reports, gold is up at around it's highest
price ever. Expect that to crash a bit after not
TOO long. Some big holders are gonna dump.
I really don't see gold as so much of an "investment"
because of buy/sell complications. However having SOME
gold coins is just fine. Don't neglect platinum and
rhodium ...
If you want hyper-expensive metals, try iridium.
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
Gonna fill a warehouse with copper ingots ? :-)
What's the rent on a warehouse ?
Bury it, or hide it in a safe place only you know, GPS may help but may not work in a war situation.
Where do politicians bury their bribes? Could be a good place ;-)
Or maybe use options,
you could buy some calls on copper if you think it will go up and get very rich in a few days if you are lucky
Buy some puts if you expect it to drop..
Much better chances than in the lottery.
Gold, just because it's gold, will always be somewhat
volatile. Parties will buy a lot, and then DUMP it and
kinda crash the price. Then it starts over.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
In a SERIOUS depression situation, also consider how
much you will REALLY get on the dollar if you try to
sell it. If you're hungry, you'll take whatever you
can get ......
In a very serious situation 'barter' may become the thing people use.
I am a bit prepared for some month without food...
have some of those emergency packs for on a boat basically.
2 month no problem, longer,
well, I have read eating humans is not good (way too fat), but all sort of animals
run around the house here, I have seen rabbits, lose chicken and all sorts of birds.
Does not take a big gun to catch those, decent bow and arrow will work and is more quiet
and does not attract that much attention from competing hunters.
Apple trees all along the road here ...
At some time in the year hundreds of small apples are just laying there... And the garden, some strawberries, had grapes from the garden last year, Solar panels and power converter, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, will run the fridge and cook stuff
and power radios.
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not work in the supermarket here because of some technical problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to blow those up to get some cash..
They are talking about going all electronics on your smartphone for paying things.
Just wait for the big solar storm then... Nothing will go.
I did read China already is into everything via a smartphone.
Platinum and Rhodium may be a more stable bet. They
slowly go up, but are not as volatile. Silver HAS
gone up of late, but it has a checkered history
accompanied by a lot of BS. There's PLENTY of silver,
regardless of what the ads tell you.
I have a pure silver cup..
BUT, there aren't as MANY people like this anymore. They've been
finding 'it' on the shelves for so long they NEVER bother to think
about how it's done, how it's made, how to make do functionally with
some random bits.
Consider aluminum-alloy seamless tubing. At the proper temper it can
be quite stiff, yet of similar weight to wood/carbon. It will not
break or shatter and, if springy enough, is not too likely to bend in
any sane use. Try Amazon or McMaster.
Some skill at diplomacy/organizing is imperative. If The Bad Thing,
whatever, BADLY screws-up everything then at least a local coalition
needs to be established right away. The quicker you act the more you
can draw into the fold before the Mad Maxxers appear (and there WILL
be some). Entire "small" towns can become "the militia" and logical
connected parts of larger cities too. Out in the boonies, it'd be
your nearest dozen or so neighbors.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:50:21 +0200, D wrote:
Yes, I guess that is the problem with fairly new philosophies in todays
diverse world and something which annoys me. Why? If you want to be a
religion, you have to believe something, and you have to reject other
things.
If you accomodate all points of views and accepts everything, then you
might just as well be an ideology or philosophy or social club.
That is upsetting the traditional Catholics. When I was a kid the doctrine was 'extra ecclesiam nulla salus' and the 'ecclesiam' was the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
Eric Sammons describes how it has been watered down in 'Deadly
Indifference'. There were two extraordinary paths to salvation for those
not baptized by water, baptism by desire and baptism by blood. The latter
is martrydom.
The slippery slope was 'Protestants are good people and can be saved' followed by 'everybody can be saved' which was the Universalists argument. Sammons points out the logical conclusion is why proselytize or even why bother going to church. He points out the drop in church attendance and missionary efforts.
Without getting into the theology I find his conclusions accurate. Either what you believe is the sole Truth or it isn't. Pope Pius IX in the 1864 'Syllabus of Errors' predicted exactly this as modernity took over the
world.
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
Nietzsche thought Christianity was nihilistic but he might have agreed
with Pius on the earmarks of nihilism.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:46:33 +0200, D wrote:
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional longbow (it has some kind of carbon
fiber at the core) I shoot only wood.
But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
What you really have to look at is the spine of the arrow. You can get
either wood or carbon with the correct spine for your bow. However carbon
is usually more consistent and groups better. I buy Port Orford cedar
shafts from 3 Rivers and you specify the spine or stiffness. Being wood, there will be a range. The truly OCD types would buy 100 shafts, measure
the stiffness, and sort them out. I'm not that good an archer to bother
although when I'm reloading and going for accuracy I do weigh each bullet
and kick out the ones more than 0.1 grain off the stated amount.
For practical purposes, wood breaks, carbon shatters :) I salvage the
points, nocks, and fletching from the wooden arrows.
A lot of it is aesthetics. A stick bow and wood arrows are traditional, compounds and carbon are high-tech. Mix and match just doesn't look right.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:46:33 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about >>>>> the crossbow.I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I >>>> do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for >>>> the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the >>>>> event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition. >>>>
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the >>>> compound.
How does carbon shoot compared with wood?
Since I have a semi-traditional
longbow (it has some kind of carbon fiber at the core) I shoot only wood. >>> But I thought about perhaps exploring some other options for fun this
summer, but not sure if it will make a huge difference.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise but >>>> have too many other projects.
That's the eternal problem... so many things to do and where do I put my >>> energy to the best use? ;)
It would be nice if I had the ability to build my own longbow, but I don't >>> think I have the patience for it. My grandfather though, was very good at >>> wood working. He did amazing things!
Anybody used a power laser?
I do have one, hitting an animal in the eye should make it blind in a second >> and then you can get it.
A more powerful laser will burn a hole in it.
Maybe traps are an easier choice depending on where you live?
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:40:45 +0200, D wrote:
Yet, all politicians in europe are wringing their hands in anger and
pain at the fact that so few women voluntarily go into IT (except
design). Since many of them refuse to acknowledge differences between
the genders,
they are intellectually trapped and will throw billions into recruitment
programs that are doomed to fail from the start.
I've known a couple of women who were excellent programmers and that's in decades of experience. That's not to say women can't succeed in technical areas. I hired a woman for a GIS position and she's very good at it, with
an attention to detail and patience I don't have. otoh I tried to get her interested in Python which is used as a scripting language in ArcGIS and
it was no sale. If she needs a tool for a particular task she describes it and I write it. We work well together. Rather than forcing square pegs
into round holes letting people find their niches works much better.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:09:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not
work in the supermarket here because of some technical problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to
blow those up to get some cash..
Except for pay at the pump I use cash for everyday transactions so I
always keep some around. Even when traveling I prefer cash although >hotels/motels usually insist on a credit card.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:09:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not
work in the supermarket here because of some technical problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to
blow those up to get some cash..
Except for pay at the pump I use cash for everyday transactions so I
always keep some around. Even when traveling I prefer cash although hotels/motels usually insist on a credit card.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:36:44 +0200, D wrote:
Still don't know what to make of it. I'm about 60% through, and some is
interesting, some wrong, some madness. On the other hand, I like his way
of writing in short aphorisms, it makes it a much easier read, although
more difficult of course, to figure out the big themes.
He definitely is not a systematic philosopher. The one I have problems
with is the most famous, 'Also Sprach Zarathustra'. He might have been
going off the deep end but 'Ecce Home' and 'Der Antichrist' are the
easiest to understand. I approach 'The Will to Power' with caution.
Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche had her own agenda.
There is a documentary on the "Nueva Germania" Bernhard Förster tried to establish in Paraguay. Let's just say the descendants of the original settlers went native.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 12:29:28 +0200, D wrote:
Even the vikings knew that the best way to get you to come out of your
house was to torch the house and then kill you when you come running out
the door, AR-15 or not. You have the classic siege, and the chinese used
to catapult in sick and dead people in the hope of getting a good
desease going in the enemy camp.
https://sagadb.org/brennu-njals_saga.en
Nothing changes... A molotov cocktail still works wonders on an Abrams
tank.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 03:20:13 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
A nordic-looking Jesus would have been very UNUSUAL LOOKING and
that'd have surely made it into some of the histories, even Roman
records.
Maybe. The Romans were familiar with Germanics. Most of the Iranians are
not Arabs and many could pass for Nordic even more than present day Greeks
or Italians. Remember that blue-eyed Afghan girl that made it to a
magazine cover?
I'm not buying into the theory but I do believe there always has been more diversity in that part of the world.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 03:39:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
There are easily dozens of religions today. Go back before
Islamic/Xian imperialism and there were hundreds. Each was CONVINCED
they Had It Right, had their Proofs. As much as the religions dislike
each other though, the one thing that sends them all into a panic are
the "apostate" ... because THAT one idea kinda undermines ALL their
propaganda campaigns.
The Indo-European polytheistic religions, including today's Hinduism, were more 'pick a god, any god'. I might prefer Wotan but if you're more
aligned with Freyr go for it. Same with Ganesha, Vishnu, Shiva, and the
rest or the Greek pantheon.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 21:01:13 +0200, D wrote:
Maybe traps are an easier choice depending on where you live?
The 'where you live' gets overlooked by some of the one-size-fits-all survival manuals. There isn't a lot of small game here. Other than in the city you've got your choice of Columbian ground squirrels or red
squirrels. Neither weighs a pound and the reds live on pine cones so I
don't know how tasty they are.
Realistically you'd want to focus on deer, elk, moose, and bear but then
you have the problem of processing and storing the meat. There are plenty
of service, huckle, and thimble berries -- in August.
The indigenous peoples had a yearly cycle and might travel 500 miles to
the areas with buffalo and made similar treks for areas with bitterroot or camas. Even then there might be starving times.
The eastern woodland Indians had agriculture, the famous beans, corn, and squash mix. The Iroquois in the Mohawk valley went on hunting trips in
the Adirondacks like their modern counterparts. Supposedly 'adirondack'
comes from the Mohawk term 'bark eaters' that they applied to the tribes without agriculture who ate tree bark to survive the winters.
On 3/31/24 6:29 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/30/24 5:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 13:44:18 +0100, D wrote:
What about a crossbow? In survivalist circles I hear a lot of love about >>>>> the crossbow.I don't have a crossbow but I do have two recurves and a compound bow. I >>>> do have the materials, jigs, and other tools to build wooden arrows for >>>> the recurves though I buy cheap Chinese carbon fiber arrows for the
The reasoning seems to be either:
1. I buy all the ammunition I need throughout my life time before the >>>>> event happens
or...
2. A crossbow I can repair and in an emergency make my own ammunition. >>>>
compound. I do have a field bow press so I can make some repairs to the >>>> compound.
I've thought about building a bow from native materials as an exercise >>>> but
have too many other projects.
Decent bows are difficult to make, even with modern materials.
It's more craft, almost alchemy, than science.
For a do-it-yerself crossbow, consider a leaf spring from a
small car or trailer.
However ... why does 'survivalism' seem to concentrate SO much
on "Me -vs- Everybody" ? It's not really a tenable proposition.
There are more of "them", you can't cover everything and you
have to sleep. "They" WILL getcha, probably fairly soon. Real
"survivalism" seems more about "coalitions/cooperatives" IMHO.
Gotta pull together a dozen city blocks or nearby neighborhoods
into something that's adequate for both defense AND production/
acquisition of needed supplies.
Probably the smartest thing I've heard in a long time in survivalist
circles. I am always amazed when discussing the AR-15 for home defense. And >> it does fail exactly as you describe.
Even the vikings knew that the best way to get you to come out of your
house was to torch the house and then kill you when you come running out
the door, AR-15 or not. You have the classic siege, and the chinese used to >> catapult in sick and dead people in the hope of getting a good desease
going in the enemy camp.
With a community you also start to get the benefits of specialization!
Helping each other out doing what you do best.
So I'm in very harmonious agreement with the strategy of forming a
community for more than bare bones survival.
Some skill at diplomacy/organizing is imperative. If The Bad Thing,
whatever, BADLY screws-up everything then at least a local coalition
needs to be established right away. The quicker you act the more you
can draw into the fold before the Mad Maxxers appear (and there WILL
be some). Entire "small" towns can become "the militia" and logical
connected parts of larger cities too. Out in the boonies, it'd be
your nearest dozen or so neighbors.
This IS a viable strategy. Just sitting around with yer AR-15 or
grenade-launcher or whatever is NOT "survival" friendly. "They"
WILL quickly come to hate you, imagine what treasures you may
have, and GET yer ass. To just hunker in the bunker and shoot
at every shadow that you see, that ain't gonna cut it.
MUTUAL defense, MUTUAL resource-production/gathering ... THAT'S
realistic long-term "survivalism". The more you can get to
more or less sync with The Cause the BETTER.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 00:14:13 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
BUT, there aren't as MANY people like this anymore. They've been
finding 'it' on the shelves for so long they NEVER bother to think
about how it's done, how it's made, how to make do functionally with
some random bits.
There was an independent hardware store where I grew up. They knew when I
was wandering around with a far away look that I had some project cooking
and whatever I bought probably would not be used as intended. I prefer the locally owned Ace here to Home Depot but sometimes they are a little too helpful.
I had a '60 Plymouth with a failing AT that I converted to a manual. The floor shift wasn't a problem but I had to dream up a clutch pedal,
hydraulic actuator, and a few other bits and pieces. The drive shaft was
the wrong length so there was that. I thought the project was done when a state trooper asked to see the emergency brake in operation. The AT had a drum on the end of the tailshaft. The manual didn't so there wasn't an emergency brake at all. That required replacing the rear axle with one
that had the e-brake in the drums and coming up with an actuator and
linkage. The car was a bit unique by the time MacGyver was done.
Oh yea, the BeeLink ... after trying several systems I eventually
settled on Manjaro/XFCE. It pretty much "just works", is fairly
snappy and doesn't fight you.
Note that the Pamac GUI package manager does not ALWAYS find
everything out there. "Octopi" should also be installed.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 23:58:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Some skill at diplomacy/organizing is imperative. If The Bad Thing,
whatever, BADLY screws-up everything then at least a local coalition
needs to be established right away. The quicker you act the more you
can draw into the fold before the Mad Maxxers appear (and there WILL
be some). Entire "small" towns can become "the militia" and logical
connected parts of larger cities too. Out in the boonies, it'd be
your nearest dozen or so neighbors.
I think about that sometimes. Other than saying hi there isn't a lot of interaction with the neighbors where I live pro or con. I don't know if a melt down would increase the cohesiveness. There aren't any major
population centers filled with zombies within 150 miles so that's a plus.
My assumption is a lot of weaponry would come out of the woodwork.
On 3/31/24 7:09 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Mar 2024 04:15:32 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
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On 3/30/24 2:25 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Mar 2024 01:34:11 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<sdGdnSuGm8PJOZr7nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 3/30/24 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 21:11:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
The TV says I should buy lots of gold and silver. Alas,
worst case, you can't EAT that to any good effect. If it's bad you
also can't SELL it for more than maybe fifty, or less, on the dollar.
Try buying a sub at 7-11 with a gold coin Maybe I'll buy a few >>>>>>> pretty gold coins as an "easter egg" for the eventual executor of my
estate
I've thought about buying a Panda or Krugerrand or two just because. In a
complete societal breakdown I lean toward the scenario where you could buy
the sub with 2 .38 shells or 7 .22 LR.
Krugs have more copper in them than I'd like - it's
why they are a slightly different color. For pure
gold - American Eagles, Canadian Mapleleafs and
the Ozzies sell some nice ones too.
Alas, by reports, gold is up at around it's highest
price ever. Expect that to crash a bit after not
TOO long. Some big holders are gonna dump.
I really don't see gold as so much of an "investment"
because of buy/sell complications. However having SOME
gold coins is just fine. Don't neglect platinum and
rhodium ...
If you want hyper-expensive metals, try iridium.
Copper will always be needed in a world that goes electric ;-)
Gonna fill a warehouse with copper ingots ? :-)
What's the rent on a warehouse ?
Bury it, or hide it in a safe place only you know, GPS may help but may not work in a war situation.
Where do politicians bury their bribes? Could be a good place ;-)
Or maybe use options,
you could buy some calls on copper if you think it will go up and get very rich in a few days if you are lucky
Buy some puts if you expect it to drop..
Much better chances than in the lottery.
Gold, just because it's gold, will always be somewhat
volatile. Parties will buy a lot, and then DUMP it and
kinda crash the price. Then it starts over.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart
In a SERIOUS depression situation, also consider how
much you will REALLY get on the dollar if you try to
sell it. If you're hungry, you'll take whatever you
can get ......
In a very serious situation 'barter' may become the thing people use.
I am a bit prepared for some month without food...
have some of those emergency packs for on a boat basically.
2 month no problem, longer,
well, I have read eating humans is not good (way too fat), but all sort of animals
run around the house here, I have seen rabbits, lose chicken and all sorts of birds.
Does not take a big gun to catch those, decent bow and arrow will work and is more quiet
and does not attract that much attention from competing hunters.
Apple trees all along the road here ...
At some time in the year hundreds of small apples are just laying there... >> And the garden, some strawberries, had grapes from the garden last year,
Solar panels and power converter, 250 Ah lipo battery pack, will run the fridge and cook stuff
and power radios.
And _always_ keep some cash, several times now payment cards did not work in the supermarket here because of some technical
problem.
Cash machines stop working and few are left because criminals like to blow those up to get some cash..
They are talking about going all electronics on your smartphone for paying things.
Just wait for the big solar storm then... Nothing will go.
I did read China already is into everything via a smartphone.
In case The Bad Thing happens, yer phone won't work anymore.
"Barter" worked better in primarily-agrarian civs. You could
trade some of yer pigs for the other guys chickens, Almost
nobody keeps pigs or chickens anymore - just a few cans of
beans or whatever that'd run out in a week or two. There's
just not enough "spare stuff" required for basic survival
in enough hands these days.
What about in a month, six months, years ?
If "infrastructure" - and that includes a lot of the tools
that make agrarian operations work - suffers badly then
it's Deep Shit time. Ten times as bad in/near major urban
areas. Face it, without modern tech farming/harvesting/
transport/storage/exchange there's just not enough land
even in the USA to feed everybody, or half of everybody,
or a quarter or everybody ..... and crops take MONTHS to
grow assuming you have the seeds AND some how-to. How
many turnip seeds do you have ? How many pigs ?
Platinum and Rhodium may be a more stable bet. They
slowly go up, but are not as volatile. Silver HAS
gone up of late, but it has a checkered history
accompanied by a lot of BS. There's PLENTY of silver,
regardless of what the ads tell you.
I have a pure silver cup..
Buy a platinum cup !
Or ten ! :-)
But you can't EAT 'em. After a major infrastructure
failure FOOD, lots and lots of it, becomes THE currency.
As I said to 'D' ... real "survivalism" is not SELF-
sufficiency per-se, You -vs- Everyone, but found in
coalitions and cooperatives and alliances. Gotta get
a lot of people near you all working The Problems.
If memory serves... don't they speak about blonde achaians in the Iliad
and Odyssey?
OTOH I still think about sailing to a nice un-inhabited island in the
Pacific and see what I can find there... Fish, crab, coconuts, maybe
even bananas will do.
An then on my Tecsun PL-600 radio listen for the last?> signs of human
life in WW3.
From a health perspective though, fishing is problematic. The water
quality is completely unknown in many of the small lakes, so some are so
bad you shouldn't eat fish from them more than 1-3 times per year, while other are perfectly fine.
Really? A molotov cocktail works against the pinnacle of high
technology?
I imagine that it must be quite embarassing for the engineer who
designed it.
I once heard about a theory that Thor was an imported deity. That he originally was his own proto-cult, and somehow was "merged" into
mainstream asatro. Have no idea about the truth content, but a fun idea nevertheless.
My bad conscience. Ideologically I should transition to 100% cash. But
sadly, the way things are going in europe, the stores who accept cash
get fewer and fewer every year. =(
then he broke down in tears told me he had had the intention to shoot me
and rob me of that money.
I think he later got arrested for multiple murders..
And there, but for fortune, go you and I.
America a learning experience.
Don't show your cash...
But it also did let me know about the white - black problems there.
My plan was to have a look at beyond good and evil next. The way I
understand it, his earlier period is about finding a way forward through culture and shared cultural experiences, his middle period was
optimistic and trying the way of rationality and science, and his later
year more pessimistic. So I figured I'd start with the middle and cherry
pick my way to the end.
Can you tell a difference when the bullet is 0.1 grain off? At every
distance or does the difference only show at longer distances?
What are the earmarks of nihilism? I'm still fascinated by the Joyous science. Some if it is spot on, some madness and some just irrelevant to anyone else but himself. Fascinating read!
I feel such sadness that I'm too ethereal for such projects. Being an IT
guy all my life, this hands-on stuff is completely beyond me!
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:39:14 +0200, D wrote:
From a health perspective though, fishing is problematic. The water
quality is completely unknown in many of the small lakes, so some are so
bad you shouldn't eat fish from them more than 1-3 times per year, while
other are perfectly fine.
The state maintains fishing access sites along the rivers. However the
ones along the Clark Fork of the Columbia have signs recommending you
don't eat the whitefish more than once a month and to never eat the pike.
The whole river was contaminated by a copper mining operation upstream.
The lakes aren't as bad but the closest real lakes are 50 miles away.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:31:09 +0200, D wrote:
If memory serves... don't they speak about blonde achaians in the Iliad
and Odyssey?
iirc Achilles had reddish-blonde hair. Sounds like Donar on a southern vacation. Of course modern scholarship asserts fair-haired didn't really
mean fair-haired.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:30:19 +0200, D wrote:
I once heard about a theory that Thor was an imported deity. That he
originally was his own proto-cult, and somehow was "merged" into
mainstream asatro. Have no idea about the truth content, but a fun idea
nevertheless.
In the prologue of the Prose Edda Thor and Odin are tied to Turkey/Troy
and Aesir is associated with Asia. I find that interesting. Snorri was nominally Christian but didn't try to work in lost tribes of Israel like
the later British Israel people but seems to have followed the Aeneid
except the Trojan warriors went to Denmark and then further north.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:28:45 +0200, D wrote:
Really? A molotov cocktail works against the pinnacle of high
technology?
I imagine that it must be quite embarassing for the engineer who
designed it.
I think there might have been high technology involved. I forget if it was Ukrainian or Russian armor that was destroyed by what amounted to a drone dropping fire bombs on it.
That's always been a problem. I recently watched 'Fury' which follows US tankers in WWII. The Germans supposedly called Sherman tanks Zippos
because of the way they burned. A lot of gasoline and ammo in a steel box
is a recipe for disaster.
I'd picked the title at random from the Netflix offerings and as I watched
it I was amazed at the realism. When I searched it out later I found it
had been filmed in England. There is a tank museum and they were able to borrow 10 Shermans and a running Tiger. it was the first movie with an operational Tiger since 1950.
If you're looking for light entertainment that isn't it. It was based in
part on the book 'Death Traps'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Traps
The problem with Abrams, Leopards, and Challengers is countries like the Ukraine that get them don't know how to fight them. They're meant to
travel in herds with infantry support.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:25:17 +0200, D wrote:
My bad conscience. Ideologically I should transition to 100% cash. But
sadly, the way things are going in europe, the stores who accept cash
get fewer and fewer every year. =(
I haven't hit one of those and I don't know if in the US they can refuse legal tender. I'm amazed or maybe amused by people paying for a $4
sandwich with a card but that's the future I guess.
I forget what it was but I didn't have enough cash to cover the item and
had to be coached by the clerk on the use of a credit card. He was
probably thinking 'Another dumb boomer' but until then I'd only stuck it
into gas pump readers and ATMs.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:12:33 +0200, D wrote:
Can you tell a difference when the bullet is 0.1 grain off? At every
distance or does the difference only show at longer distances?
That may be a little extreme but when I'm weighing them most are the
stated 55 grains and it's easy to select out the ones higher or lower. At some point it breaks over to OCD but I can see a noticeable difference between run of the mill .223 and handloads from 200 yards on out.
Handloading 7.62x54R is a distinct improvement on Romanian military
surplus even at 100 yards.
otoh I reload 9mm for economy and while I measure the powder the bullets
are factory run and the brass is a mixture.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:24:07 +0200, D wrote:
My plan was to have a look at beyond good and evil next. The way I
understand it, his earlier period is about finding a way forward through
culture and shared cultural experiences, his middle period was
optimistic and trying the way of rationality and science, and his later
year more pessimistic. So I figured I'd start with the middle and cherry
pick my way to the end.
There were definite changes along the way. 'The Birth of Tragedy' was
written when he was still on speaking terms with Wagner. He thought Wagner had sold out with Parsifal which led to 'Der Fall Wagner' and 'Nietzsche contra Wagner'. 'Menschliches, Allzumenschliches' has a little bit too. Schopenhauer gets thrown under the bus in 'Jenseits von Gut und Böse'.
The good thing about not being systematic like Schopenhauer who never
revised his initial thought is you can see Nietzsche's development and influences as well as the people he had no use for.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6281994/
I think that is the video I watched about the Paraguay colony. There is another film by the same name that is about the Faroes.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:08:14 +0200, D wrote:
What are the earmarks of nihilism? I'm still fascinated by the Joyous
science. Some if it is spot on, some madness and some just irrelevant to
anyone else but himself. Fascinating read!
Nihilism? Look around you. For Nietzsche it was a loss of all values and a pessimistic Schopenhauer/Buddhist denial of life. Christianity was
definitely on the list as a slave morality. In Zarathustra the Last Man
was a perfect nihilist as opposed to the Übermensch. Übermensch has many unfortunate connotations but it would be a life-affirming person with a
will to power rather than one denying will.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:53:13 +0200, D wrote:
I feel such sadness that I'm too ethereal for such projects. Being an IT
guy all my life, this hands-on stuff is completely beyond me!
I've always been hands on and still work on my bikes. The car, being a Toyota, is boringly dependable.
My career started with control circuitry for automated plastics molding equipment. That was quite hands-on. Most of my other projects had real
world components. It's only the last 24 years where all that really is involved is ethereal. In my retirement I'm going back to my roots with microcontrollers that interact with sensors and control motors, servos, radios and other things I can touch.
In the '90s I took a break from programming and became an over the road trucker. Very physical, sometimes too much so when you had to unload it by hand. When I was a kid I wanted to drive a truck but it was "You've got to
go to college!" I was getting a little burnt out and figured it was time.
Fascinating! Those type of breaks are very uncommon! Did you gain any insights?
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
As for christianity, I wonder if a case could be made for a master-christianity as long as the values are your own? On the other
hand,
you then end up with "what does christianity mean" but perhaps that is a
sign that it is your own? I'm a fan of the gospel of Thomas for example.
Yes. I think Schopenhauer suffered from a one hit wonder syndrome, and
spent the rest of his life trying to revise. I also always wonder how
much Schopenhauer was influenced by buddhism? I saw a documentary where
they thought he managed to basically recreate buddhism from a western perspective, but reading his texts (well, some of them) I find it very
hard to believe he wasn't influenced at all.
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
I think around my place, the contaminated ones might be due to old
forestry industries. Have no idea how that contaminates, but that's what someone told me.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:30:19 +0200, D wrote:
I once heard about a theory that Thor was an imported deity. That he
originally was his own proto-cult, and somehow was "merged" into
mainstream asatro. Have no idea about the truth content, but a fun idea
nevertheless.
In the prologue of the Prose Edda Thor and Odin are tied to Turkey/Troy
and Aesir is associated with Asia. I find that interesting. Snorri was
nominally Christian but didn't try to work in lost tribes of Israel like
the later British Israel people but seems to have followed the Aeneid
except the Trojan warriors went to Denmark and then further north.
Yes, I remember something similar in one of my ebook versions of the old stories. Sweden also had its time when everyone tried the israel path as well. Interesting, how that tendency repeats itself.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:12:10 +0200, D wrote:
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the
Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
I'll go with crash and burn. Even if the pilots are competent I wouldn't trust the maintenance to be carried out.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Oh yea, the BeeLink ... after trying several systems I eventually
settled on Manjaro/XFCE. It pretty much "just works", is fairly
snappy and doesn't fight you.
Note that the Pamac GUI package manager does not ALWAYS find
everything out there. "Octopi" should also be installed.
Is manjaro a "classic" distribution with writeable root and releases
(that is, not floating releases)?
If so, it could very well be the next distribution for me if my current
one stops for some reason.
On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 10:28:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
OTOH I still think about sailing to a nice un-inhabited island in the
Pacific and see what I can find there... Fish, crab, coconuts, maybe
even bananas will do.
An then on my Tecsun PL-600 radio listen for the last?> signs of human
life in WW3.
My Grundig YachtBoy might be more appropriate. I also have the larger >Satellit 700. The signs of life started dying off about 30 years ago as
the international broadcasters switched to streaming internet. I'd have to >check the schedules but I don't think Deutsche Welle broadcasts are
available in North America anymore.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 11:25:17 +0200, D wrote:
My bad conscience. Ideologically I should transition to 100% cash. But
sadly, the way things are going in europe, the stores who accept cash
get fewer and fewer every year. =(
I haven't hit one of those and I don't know if in the US they can refuse
legal tender. I'm amazed or maybe amused by people paying for a $4
sandwich with a card but that's the future I guess.
I forget what it was but I didn't have enough cash to cover the item and
had to be coached by the clerk on the use of a credit card. He was
probably thinking 'Another dumb boomer' but until then I'd only stuck it
into gas pump readers and ATMs.
Exactly the reverse in sweden. Many places refuse to accept cash. I think >politicians are now getting scared due to russia, and are thinking about a >law forcing more (definitely not all) shops to accept cash.
I have a business idea where I'll offer to purchase things online for
people who only want to use cash. They can use cash, and I'd use a few
credit cards to mix up everyones purchase history to screw up the
profiles.
Probably super illegal, but I would definitely use such a service myself!
=)
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the >Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
Do not under-estimate that Tecsun PL-600 long wave, short wave, AM, FM,
SSB SSB is essential for some things,
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed
as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps
harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from
old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much
about fill the roles.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:34:50 +0200, D wrote:
Fascinating! Those type of breaks are very uncommon! Did you gain any
insights?
Not really. Driving for a living when you're getting paid by the mile
isn't the best thing when you think about the hours you spend not moving.
The good part is it's an industry with a high turnover and there isn't any continuity from load to load. I could quit in the fall, go to Arizona for
the winter, reappear in the spring, jump in a truck and go.
Prior to that I had spent a year as a Forest Service volunteer on a mule ranch.
https://historicmt.org/items/show/2693?tour=82&index=8
The mule part is a misnomer since they no longer breed mules but purchase them. However pack animals are still used in this region and in the fall
the stock from the different districts would come to Nine Mile for the winter. There were about 200 head to feed. There was also work on the back country trails to be done. I learned quite a bit about livestock and
packing.
I still go there occasionally. Unlike software there are projects I
worked on 30 years ago that are still serving their purpose like stock
tanks and ditch diversions. Others like corral gates and trail signs have rotted away long ago and have been replaced. I enjoyed and had been
offered a job on a trail crew for the summer but when the time came they found they weren't suitably diverse. That's when I moved on to trucking.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the evil and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would work. Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for flintlocks.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:30:12 +0200, D wrote:
As for christianity, I wonder if a case could be made for a
master-christianity as long as the values are your own? On the other
hand,
you then end up with "what does christianity mean" but perhaps that is a
sign that it is your own? I'm a fan of the gospel of Thomas for example.
I think it could be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliand
To make it palatable to the Saxons Jesus was the leader of a war band. Meekness gets glossed over.
"Murphy depicts the significant influence the Heliand had over the fate of European society; he writes that the author of the Heliand "created a
unique cultural synthesis between Christianity and Germanic warrior
society – a synthesis that would plant the seed that would one day blossom in the full-blown culture of knighthood and become the foundation of
medieval Europe"
I have Murphy's translation and his commentary as well as a book
describing how Heathen symbolism was blended in to church design, poetry,
and other areas.
https://books.google.com/books/about/Tree_of_Salvation.html?
id=LVl_AAAAQBAJ
The strange part is Murphy is a Jesuit priest. The Teutonic Knights
weren't a band of pacifists nor were the people who drove the moslems back
at Leponto. Somewhere along the line a kinder, gentler Jesus was
substituted.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:12:10 +0200, D wrote:
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the
Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
I'll go with crash and burn. Even if the pilots are competent I wouldn't trust the maintenance to be carried out.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:21:34 +0200, D wrote:
Yes. I think Schopenhauer suffered from a one hit wonder syndrome, and
spent the rest of his life trying to revise. I also always wonder how
much Schopenhauer was influenced by buddhism? I saw a documentary where
they thought he managed to basically recreate buddhism from a western
perspective, but reading his texts (well, some of them) I find it very
hard to believe he wasn't influenced at all.
He certainly was familiar with both Hindu and Buddhist works. I don't know when he was exposed. His doctoral dissertation 'On the Fourfold Root of
the Principle of Sufficient Reason' was an expansion on Kant. In 'The
World as Will and Representation' he says if you haven't read and
understood that and Kant you're not going to understand The World. That
was 1818 with subsequent polishing as you pointed out. I don't know how
much changed between editions.
Supposedly Hitler carried a copy of Schopenhauer's work in his knapsack during WWI. I've wondered if it was the two volume full meal deal or a selection from 'Parerga and Paralipomena'.
Speaking of grudges he had lost a lawsuit against a former landlady and
had to make payments to her. When she finally died he noted 'Obit anus,
abit onus.' He probably danced a jig when Hegel died of cholera. It's
rough when nobody signs up for your class because they flock to the famous guy.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:06:29 +0200, D wrote:
I think around my place, the contaminated ones might be due to old
forestry industries. Have no idea how that contaminates, but that's what
someone told me.
A couple of area firms that went out of business left mementos.
https://www.missoulacounty.us/government/health/health-department/ missoula-valley-water-quality-district/cleanup-sites/white-pine-sash
It that case it was the chemicals used to treat the lumber.
https://missoulacountyvoice.com/smurfit-stone-mill-site-cleanup
The pulp mill left a legacy too. Almost all of the forest related
industries are gone but their problems live on.
AH ... DO see my post on the nearly-successful spyware
contamination of Deb/RHEL via hacked 'xz-Utils'. It
ALMOST made it to wide release ... only some guy who
knew how many CPU cycles should be required in SSH and
a couple other things noticed and tracked-down the
poison pill. Some Linux utils and base functions are
just SO old and established that nobody even looks at
them anymore. An "AI" adjusted to LOOK for possible
hack strategies might be the answer.
On a sunny day (Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:12:10 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <ea96cad8-ce2a-80b7-c2e7-544d1fc43df8@example.net>:
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the
Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
Putin stated that the would attack the country where they started from
The only airstrip in Ukraine that is long enough for F16 can be easily bombed forcing those to start elsewhere.
From Putin's POV I would say, 'peace now or I nuke Kiev'.
Like US did in Japan with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
To prevent a long lasting war.
I would also signal to the US they would be next if they made any noise
The shipping industrial centers there seem a nice target.
Destroy those and ...
Oh yes, the big story of last week! Supply chain attacks is the new gold
of malicious actors! Fortunately for me, my opensuse 15.5 is too old to
have been exposed. See... yet another benefit of not having a rolling
distro!
The title "On the Fourfold root..." to me, smacks of buddhism. That's
why I am not so sure, even though it is a common opinion, that he never
was exposed to buddhism until later.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Reading the old viking sagas, I get the feeling that the local
chieftains who converted couldn't care less about the bible, but that it
was driven more by political power, money, land, and attractive
marriages. The chieftains did what they wanted but where nominally
christian as long as the money and gifts continued.
"Thou shalt not kill" is one of my favourite discussions with aggressive christians. I result in a very creative discussion with cherry picking, quotes from the OT, that jesus never says explicitly not to kill etc.
etc.
The teutonic knights used to raid the baltics and in order for them to
stop, the duke of Lithuania became christian. So definitely not driven
by any spiritual enlightenment but a very pragmatic conversion.
That's the charm of physical projects! It's easy to see the result and
often they last longer than what ever "software" thing you did 10 years
ago which no one uses any longer.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed
as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps
harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from
old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much
about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at the
Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent. My
question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri reading?
On Mon, 01 Apr 2024 09:18:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
then he broke down in tears told me he had had the intention to shoot me
and rob me of that money.
I think he later got arrested for multiple murders..
And there, but for fortune, go you and I.
America a learning experience.
Don't show your cash...
But it also did let me know about the white - black problems there.
It's also advisable to trade your Rolex Oyster for a $50 Timex. After
having back issues that I blamed on a wallet in my back pocket and bucket seats I started carrying it in a front pocket. That's also recommended for security reasons.
I've been in some bad neighborhoods and fortunately have never had a
problem but I do not present as a victim.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed
as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps
harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from
old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much
about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at the
Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent. My
question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri reading?
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 14:05:34 +0200, D wrote:
Oh yes, the big story of last week! Supply chain attacks is the new gold
of malicious actors! Fortunately for me, my opensuse 15.5 is too old to
have been exposed. See... yet another benefit of not having a rolling
distro!
They're back in that sequence? I had 13.2.1 but then they went to 42.1
with Leap. They don't like the number 14?
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:59:47 +0200, D wrote:
The title "On the Fourfold root..." to me, smacks of buddhism. That's
why I am not so sure, even though it is a common opinion, that he never
was exposed to buddhism until later.
It does seem to fall in with the Buddhist tendency to make enumerated
lists.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:56:30 +0200, D wrote:
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Kids in the US sometimes experimented with match-based gunpowder and empty CO2 cartridges that sometimes resulted in missing body parts. In the nanny state strike anywhere matches have been largely replaces with strike
nowhere matches. There are several theories including hazmat surcharges
that make them expensive to ship.
The hazmat classification is interesting. Powder and primers are hazmat, loaded ammunition is not.
Primers always came in sleeves of 100 which were easy to dump into the
tools. I think it was Federal that tried to beat the hazmat designation by using a huge plastic carrier that was awkward to handle. I avoided them.
More foolishness, a truckload of brand new car batteries is hazmat. A truckload of leaking, cracked, randomly stacked car batteries returning to
a recycling plant is not.
More foolishness, a truckload of brand new car batteries is hazmat. A truckload of leaking, cracked, randomly stacked car batteries returning to
a recycling plant is not.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:51:43 +0200, D wrote:
Reading the old viking sagas, I get the feeling that the local
chieftains who converted couldn't care less about the bible, but that it
was driven more by political power, money, land, and attractive
marriages. The chieftains did what they wanted but where nominally
christian as long as the money and gifts continued.
I have a theory Aethelbert, the first British king to convert, found
religion when he married a little French hottie that explained he would be sleeping alone until his sins were washed away.
I think the bible was largely ignored until the Reformation. The Catholic liturgy includes the Psalms, a few passages from Lamentations, and
selected parts of the NT. When the Prods denied papal authority they had
to derive authority from sola scriptura. Today we have marginally trained pastors cherry-picking verses to support their world view.
"Thou shalt not kill" is one of my favourite discussions with aggressive
christians. I result in a very creative discussion with cherry picking,
quotes from the OT, that jesus never says explicitly not to kill etc.
etc.
A friend used to draw a distinction between 'thou shall not murder' and
'thou shalt not kill' to support his hawkish views. There was also the
line between Christianity and Christendom. The latter waqs responsible for all the bad stuff.
The teutonic knights used to raid the baltics and in order for them to
stop, the duke of Lithuania became christian. So definitely not driven
by any spiritual enlightenment but a very pragmatic conversion.
They were on a roll until they went ice skating with Alexander Nevsky.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 12:34:00 +0200, D wrote:
That's the charm of physical projects! It's easy to see the result and
often they last longer than what ever "software" thing you did 10 years
ago which no one uses any longer.
While the bulk of the applications have held up for over twenty years sometimes when I'm looking through the source tree I see a directory and remember doing an interface that hasn't been used since 2005.
On 2 Apr 2024 05:32:44 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed
as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps
harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from >>> old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much
about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at the
Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent. My
question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri reading?
You might want to check out the Trjumanna saga. My wife was the
leading scholar on this saga in North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%B3jumanna_saga
You might want to check out the Trójumanna saga. My wife was the leading scholar on this saga in North America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%B3jumanna_saga
It turned out that they were from Jehovahs Witnesses and out to spread
the joy of Jesus on a saturday at 09:00.
Todays youth, seem glued to their smart phones and I sometimes worry
that they miss out on Mr Darwin to the detriment of their capabilities
later in life.
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know.
True... and I was thinking more specifically about the "Four Noble
Truths".
Hmm... true! Now that you mentioned it, that's strange. Have no idea
why.
Maybe 14 is a bad number in china?
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the
evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would
work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for
flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:56:30 +0200, D wrote:
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Kids in the US sometimes experimented with match-based gunpowder and
empty
CO2 cartridges that sometimes resulted in missing body parts. In the
nanny
state strike anywhere matches have been largely replaces with strike
nowhere matches. There are several theories including hazmat surcharges
that make them expensive to ship.
Ahh yes... darwin in action! I sometimes wonder... when I was young the missing body parts did happen for the people who were not careful enough
with the anarchists cookbook.
When my father was young, the prank du jour was clorex and sugar.
Todays youth, seem glued to their smart phones and I sometimes worry
that they miss out on Mr Darwin to the detriment of their capabilities
later in life.
The hazmat classification is interesting. Powder and primers are hazmat,
loaded ammunition is not.
Primers always came in sleeves of 100 which were easy to dump into the
tools. I think it was Federal that tried to beat the hazmat
designation by
using a huge plastic carrier that was awkward to handle. I avoided them.
More foolishness, a truckload of brand new car batteries is hazmat. A
truckload of leaking, cracked, randomly stacked car batteries
returning to
a recycling plant is not.
Sure sounds like the government in action! ;)
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
More foolishness, a truckload of brand new car batteries is hazmat. A
truckload of leaking, cracked, randomly stacked car batteries
returning to
a recycling plant is not.
Speaking of car batteries, perhaps a nice survivalist here could explain something to me.
It's become very fashionable in sweden for immigrant drug gangs to blow things up with bombs made out of car batteries.
But those things are _heavy_! Why would one build a bomb out of car batteries, when you surely (as a criminal organization) can acquire all
the materials for gun powder or even stronger stuff?
It seems to me that 5 kg of gun powder would be way more damaging than 5
kg of car battery?
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know. ;)
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:33:03 +0200, D wrote:
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know.
Not a clue. You might be able to do something interesting with Li-ion batteries but all I can think of with a car battery would be something to react with the sulfuric acid. Even that would be hard with the trend
toward AGMs. Overcharge them and collect the hydrogen?
You can buy/steal hydrogen in little red cylinders.
Propane/butane/acetylene would be easier/cheaper if some gang wanted
mayhem. As such I suspect the "battery" thing is some kind of hoax.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:12:10 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<ea96cad8-ce2a-80b7-c2e7-544d1fc43df8@example.net>:
It will be interesting to see how effective the F16 will be once the
Ukrainian pilots are trained on them. I wonder if they will crash and
burn, or if they will significantly change the war somehow?
Putin stated that the would attack the country where they started from
Oh please, please. I do hope Putin does it so that he gets the EU and Nato
in the mood to finally crush him.
The only airstrip in Ukraine that is long enough for F16 can be easily bombed
forcing those to start elsewhere.
Do you have a source? I tried googling it and found this non-authoritative >answer:
"Ukraine started with 36 airports and landing strips before the invasion,
but there are also an unknown number of Soviet-era runways which had been >abandoned & overgrown. Who knows how many Ukraine has cleared & repaired
for military use.
Also, even with the destruction from war, Ukraine is covered with modern >roadways, all which can be used."
It would seem strange to me that a country of the size of Ukraine only has >one airstrip that works.
From Putin's POV I would say, 'peace now or I nuke Kiev'.
Oh that would be great! Putin would be dead withint a day or two! I do
hope he gets pushed into that corner, so that his oligarchs will join >together and stab him to death. History has a tendency to repeat.
Another effect is of course that the world would unite against russia, and >the country would be plunged into starvation. Even china would not dare to
go against the public if Putin start to reach for "the bomb".
But I think he would be dead pretty quickly.
Like US did in Japan with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
To prevent a long lasting war.
I would also signal to the US they would be next if they made any noise
The US would crush russia several times over, especially with the help of
the EU.
The shipping industrial centers there seem a nice target.
Destroy those and ...
That is true.
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the
evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would
work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for
flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:18:09 +0200, D wrote:
Todays youth, seem glued to their smart phones and I sometimes worry
that they miss out on Mr Darwin to the detriment of their capabilities
later in life.
They do seem strangely docile for the most part. Even their épater le bourgeois efforts fall flat on a survivor of the hippie era. "So you have tats, multiple piercings, and magenta hair. What else you got kid?"
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:37:39 +0200, D wrote:
It turned out that they were from Jehovahs Witnesses and out to spread
the joy of Jesus on a saturday at 09:00.
I don't remember having JWs at the door but a long time ago I had a trio
of Mormonettes appear. The males travel in pairs but apparently the
females need a larger flock. I doubt they had any success in the
neighborhood and may have marked it as Redneck Heathen Central, not worth revisiting.
A friend who was much more attuned to the various local religious
happenings said each one secretly believes they are in the 144,000 to be raptured up or whatever the doctrine is. I miss him. He was my
encyclopedia of strange Protestant sects. He himself was one of Smith's Friends.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunstad_Christian_Church
I think it is a controversial group at least in Germany but not as bad as Scientology. Around here it's just another church that can't be
pigeonholed into the mainstream slots.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:33:03 +0200, D wrote:
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know.
Not a clue. You might be able to do something interesting with Li-ion batteries but all I can think of with a car battery would be something to react with the sulfuric acid. Even that would be hard with the trend
toward AGMs. Overcharge them and collect the hydrogen?
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:14:20 +0200, D wrote:
True... and I was thinking more specifically about the "Four Noble
Truths".
True. I have an old text where they were the Four Aryan Truths. Not a
popular translation anymore for some reason though it's the most literal.
I can generally remember the four truths but coming up with the eight
parts of the path is beyond me and forget about the twelve links of
dependent origination. Obviously the Abhidharma is out of the question.
While I have quite a few texts I seem to always fall back on Walpola
Rahula's 'What the Buddha Taught'. Theravada strikes me as the old time religion without the ornamentation. By the time you get to the Tibetan version it's something else entirely.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:13:26 +0200, D wrote:
Hmm... true! Now that you mentioned it, that's strange. Have no idea
why.
Maybe 14 is a bad number in china?
You may be on to something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology
There is a shot of an elevator panel. 4 and 14 are missing and to appease
the round-eyes, so is 13.
On 4/2/24 4:18 PM, D wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 13:56:30 +0200, D wrote:
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>> gun powder.
Kids in the US sometimes experimented with match-based gunpowder and empty >>> CO2 cartridges that sometimes resulted in missing body parts. In the nanny >>> state strike anywhere matches have been largely replaces with strike
nowhere matches. There are several theories including hazmat surcharges
that make them expensive to ship.
Ahh yes... darwin in action! I sometimes wonder... when I was young the
missing body parts did happen for the people who were not careful enough
with the anarchists cookbook.
Gawd ! NEVER use that !!! It's more like the "Let's KILL
Some Stupid Anarchists" handbook !
When my father was young, the prank du jour was clorex and sugar.
NOT at all safe for any application !
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the evil >>> and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would work. >>> Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for
flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke and >> dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern gun
powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
If you HAD to make yer own ... aim for the "long" cases with
a lot of capacity ... .357/.44mag/.45LC. The larger cals will
hold up a bit longer under the CRAP non-smokeless leaves in
the gun.
The one thing you probably CAN'T make are the PRIMERS. Odd
chems plus machine-precision bits and assembly. In an End
Of The World situation you're back to flintlock or matchlock
muskets, barely usable. Short Hun/Mongol type bows might be
more versatile and quicker.
On 4/2/24 4:33 PM, D wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
More foolishness, a truckload of brand new car batteries is hazmat. A
truckload of leaking, cracked, randomly stacked car batteries returning to >>> a recycling plant is not.
Speaking of car batteries, perhaps a nice survivalist here could explain
something to me.
It's become very fashionable in sweden for immigrant drug gangs to blow
things up with bombs made out of car batteries.
But those things are _heavy_! Why would one build a bomb out of car
batteries, when you surely (as a criminal organization) can acquire all
the materials for gun powder or even stronger stuff?
It seems to me that 5 kg of gun powder would be way more damaging than 5
kg of car battery?
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know. ;)
"Criminals" can get Chinese/Russian mil stuff or
Mexican mining stuff. No laws/rules/regs for them.
As for starting fires ... any liquid hydrocarbon will
do that quite nicely without any extra accessories ....
If Swedish gangs/terrorists are doing weird things
with car batteries then they are either idiots or
really don't have enough money for any of the
stronger stuff. I do not think they could use a
lead-acid battery for anything nasty, though they
could theoretically badly over-charge a lithium
EV battery.
On 4/2/24 10:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:33:03 +0200, D wrote:
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me
know in case you know.
Not a clue. You might be able to do something interesting with Li-ion
batteries but all I can think of with a car battery would be something to
react with the sulfuric acid. Even that would be hard with the trend
toward AGMs. Overcharge them and collect the hydrogen?
You can buy/steal hydrogen in little red cylinders.
Propane/butane/acetylene would be easier/cheaper if
some gang wanted mayhem. As such I suspect the
"battery" thing is some kind of hoax.
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is >>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the
evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would
work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for
flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here: google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>>>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is >>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>>>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>>>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>>>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can
carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine >something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive >than good old guns and cannons.
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:27:20 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <22d0aab0-de0b-8701-4520-c9c4f16d240c@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is >>>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >>> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can
carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine
something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive
than good old guns and cannons.
Super capacitors are very powerful, can hold enough charge to start a car... https://www.google.com/search?q=starting+a+car+with+super+capacitors
Some power MOSFETs or whatever as switches and a bunch of coils should make
a very light gun with a small battery with a couple of seconds recharge for the capacitors?
Some photo cells for the bullet position detection, simple electronics.
It is about energy.. per unit of time.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:27:20 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<22d0aab0-de0b-8701-4520-c9c4f16d240c@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >>>> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can
carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine >>> something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive >>> than good old guns and cannons.
Super capacitors are very powerful, can hold enough charge to start a car... >> https://www.google.com/search?q=starting+a+car+with+super+capacitors
Some power MOSFETs or whatever as switches and a bunch of coils should make >> a very light gun with a small battery with a couple of seconds recharge for the capacitors?
Some photo cells for the bullet position detection, simple electronics.
It is about energy.. per unit of time.
If you could design something handheld with the same amount of energy as a >regular gun I am fairly convinced that you have a very good business idea >here! =)
Imagine a few of those BBQ gas bottles exploding, that could be a nice
boom.
One of my (not yet realized) projects was to experiment with shotgun
shells to avoid the fiddlyness of the small calibers. It's also fairly
easy to get metal pipes approaching the right size for shotgun shells.
In terms of primers, given the very sensitiev matchpowder mix, why
wouldn't it work? I can set it off with a hard whack of something. I
don't see why it would be impossible?
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Chuck wrote:I wish she could but she died two years ago.
On 2 Apr 2024 05:32:44 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed >>>> as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps >>>> harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from >>>> old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much
about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at the
Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent. My
question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri reading?
You might want to check out the Trjumanna saga. My wife was the
leading scholar on this saga in North America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%B3jumanna_saga
Fascinating! When was it written down the first time and who wrote it
down? The wiki entry was quite thin, so perhaps your wife could add
something to it?
I have never heard about this one myself.
I tried to look into what original Buddhism was like, and the earliest I could find seemed to boil down to "shut up and meditate" and nothing
else.
It seemed that the original buddha taught meditation in a very
individualized fashion tailoring his teaching to each student. Over
time, everything ossified and the very, very basic and simple
fundamental path exploded into metaphysical theories, saints, rituals
etc. I sometimes get the feeling that the original buddha would be
horrified.
I also heard/read somewhere that Zen was an attempt to try and get back
to the roots of buddhism.
During that particular journey, I also found some japanese variety
which, like in some varieties of christianity, preached that there
wasn't much to do and that everyone would be saved after death as long
as they affirmed the faith.
Interesting how the same ideas pop up again and again.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 01:40:24 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
You can buy/steal hydrogen in little red cylinders.
Propane/butane/acetylene would be easier/cheaper if some gang wanted
mayhem. As such I suspect the "battery" thing is some kind of hoax.
A few years ago some idiot was doing a chemistry experiment. I'm not
familiar with the process but I believe butane is used in the extraction
of hash oil. In any case he managed to spread the RV over 50 yards or so.
It was the 2nd of July. Fireworks are legal and many people practice
before the 4th of July finale but when I heard the explosion I knew it
wasn't a firework.
The chemist survived although since it was his mother's RV he may have
wished he didn't. Maybe he'd watched one too many episodes of 'Breaking
Bad.'
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/2/24 10:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:33:03 +0200, D wrote:
Or maybe the attractive feature is that it starts a fire? Well, let me >>>> know in case you know.
Not a clue. You might be able to do something interesting with Li-ion
batteries but all I can think of with a car battery would be
something to
react with the sulfuric acid. Even that would be hard with the trend
toward AGMs. Overcharge them and collect the hydrogen?
You can buy/steal hydrogen in little red cylinders.
Propane/butane/acetylene would be easier/cheaper if
some gang wanted mayhem. As such I suspect the
"battery" thing is some kind of hoax.
Maybe it was a red herring? On the mainstream news there was a policeman
who was deeply concerned about battery bombs and said that there should
be a law about how many car batteries you are legally allowed to buy.
Then I think about the gas bottled sold for BBQ:s every summer without a
hint of control or concern.
Imagine a few of those BBQ gas bottles exploding, that could be a nice
boom.
Haha... true. Many also seem to enjoy to dress with cats ears and very,
very japanese inspired, at least the ones I see from time to time. Very strange indeed.
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the
evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would
work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for
flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:55:33 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <8ff2029b-c258-a9f2-cc39-5a6a8bae9ed1@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:27:20 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<22d0aab0-de0b-8701-4520-c9c4f16d240c@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process. >>>>>>>>
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses >>>>>>>>
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >>>>> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can >>>> carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine >>>> something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive >>>> than good old guns and cannons.
Super capacitors are very powerful, can hold enough charge to start a car...
https://www.google.com/search?q=starting+a+car+with+super+capacitors
Some power MOSFETs or whatever as switches and a bunch of coils should make >>> a very light gun with a small battery with a couple of seconds recharge for the capacitors?
Some photo cells for the bullet position detection, simple electronics.
It is about energy.. per unit of time.
If you could design something handheld with the same amount of energy as a >> regular gun I am fairly convinced that you have a very good business idea
here! =)
'Handheld' is a big word, but for sure something like a gun, not a handgun, should be no problem.
I am an experimenter.. but 4 sure somebody must already have had a go?
A quick google finds objections to the idea:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/718bcp/super_capacitors_for_coil_gun/
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/172438/can-i-use-a-supercapacitor-like-maxwell-boostcap-3000f-on-a-coilgun
I do not see it quite that way, have had considerable experience with magnetic deflection systems for TV (before LCD and OLED came).
I think I leave the challenge to others for now...
But who knows, if I ever do it I will open-source the design anyways.
All ant heaps can then fight against each other with it..
Would US DOD let the world know if they had it working?
They were also very quiet on anti-gravity experiments by Ning Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ning_Li_(physicist)
see also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Podkletnov
He is in Russia now?
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:24:10 +0200, D wrote:
Imagine a few of those BBQ gas bottles exploding, that could be a nice
boom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane_bomb
Except for the PETN enhanced bomb at Beirut the potential bombers seem to
be lacking skills. There is a greater potential for blowing yourself up through carelessness. Whenever I change tanks I use soapy water to make
sure there isn't a leak even though the ethyl mercapatan additive has a
very distinctive smell.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:19:48 +0200, D wrote:
One of my (not yet realized) projects was to experiment with shotgun
shells to avoid the fiddlyness of the small calibers. It's also fairly
easy to get metal pipes approaching the right size for shotgun shells.
3/4 and 1 inch black iron pipe and fittings can be used for a crude slam- fire device. The illegal marijuana growers reportedly use a similar
technique for trip wire booby traps.
In terms of primers, given the very sensitiev matchpowder mix, why
wouldn't it work? I can set it off with a hard whack of something. I
don't see why it would be impossible?
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/03/make-home-made-ammunition-caps-primers- ghost-ammo/
The link to Thompson's pdf describes several techniques. I enjoy playing several different musical instruments that tend to require all your
fingers so I'll stick with the commercial offerings.
When it comes to the Mormons I don't know how close to reality it was,
but there was a criminal series called "Under the banner of heaven"
which was quite entertaining. I wonder how close to the truth that
TV-show is?
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:43:29 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I wish she could but she died two years ago.
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Chuck wrote:
On 2 Apr 2024 05:32:44 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" - portrayed >>>>> as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations of, and perhaps >>>>> harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, mortal 'heros' from >>>>> old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD of but few knew much >>>>> about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at the >>>> Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent. My
question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri reading?
You might want to check out the Trjumanna saga. My wife was the
leading scholar on this saga in North America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%B3jumanna_saga
Fascinating! When was it written down the first time and who wrote it
down? The wiki entry was quite thin, so perhaps your wife could add
something to it?
I have never heard about this one myself.
imposing all sort of stupid trade restriction, forbidding us to export
latest chip technology to China.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:07:14 +0200, D wrote:
Haha... true. Many also seem to enjoy to dress with cats ears and very,
very japanese inspired, at least the ones I see from time to time. Very
strange indeed.
Manga/anime is popular and inspires a lot of that. Or maybe it's Hello
Kitty. I was once told I should bring a notebook to meeting so I have a
nice, pink Hello Kitty notebook. Nobody mentioned it.
When manga breaks over to hentai is gets very strange indeed.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:15:19 +0200, D wrote:
I tried to look into what original Buddhism was like, and the earliest I
could find seemed to boil down to "shut up and meditate" and nothing
else.
It seemed that the original buddha taught meditation in a very
individualized fashion tailoring his teaching to each student. Over
time, everything ossified and the very, very basic and simple
fundamental path exploded into metaphysical theories, saints, rituals
etc. I sometimes get the feeling that the original buddha would be
horrified.
A lot of Hindu metaphysics got blended into Mahayana. There are some
strange threads. Avalokitesvara underwent a sex change as he went east, winding up as Kannon (Japan) or Guanyin (China). She is an analog to the Blessed Virgin Mary. You don't want to bother the Big Guy so ask the BVM
to put in a good word. I think there is also a tie in to Pure Land. For
some reason Avalokitesvara also made it into Therevada and is popular in
Sri Lanka and the SE Asian areas that are mostly Therevada.
I also heard/read somewhere that Zen was an attempt to try and get back
to the roots of buddhism.
Tracing the lineages of the various schools is complicated. I think Soto
is closer to the roots than Rinzai. I may have them backwards. It's been a few years since I've read much of either. Rinzai is the 'one hand
clapping' sort of koans.
During that particular journey, I also found some japanese variety
which, like in some varieties of christianity, preached that there
wasn't much to do and that everyone would be saved after death as long
as they affirmed the faith.
Interesting how the same ideas pop up again and again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring,_Summer,_Fall,_Winter..._and_Spring
Interesting film. If nothing else the scenery is beautiful.
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old
primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. >>>>> One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. >>>>> Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up >>>>> some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years >> ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very
powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
In the USA, there's usually a news vid per month of some house
suddenly exploding all over the neighborhood due to a GAS LEAK. Most
gas appliances still use a pilot-light, a tiny perpetual flame. Gas
from leaky pipes WILL eventually find that. I would never own gas
appliances ... not for any 'green' reasons but because of the risk
element.
Read up on what the Mormons (and some other US ultra-fundie)
"missions" are up to in eastern India ..... nasty.
True. And in case you don't want to bother the BVM, ask a helper saint
or two.
Wasn't it some theologians who were speculating about a hierarchy of
angels between god and earth, since god could not be in contact with
crude matter, he had an angel to help him, but that angel was too
spiritual, so he had another one... angels all the way down.
The link to Thompson's pdf describes several techniques. I enjoy
playing several different musical instruments that tend to require all
your fingers so I'll stick with the commercial offerings.
Probably a wise choice!
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 22:43:29 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024, Chuck wrote:
On 2 Apr 2024 05:32:44 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 20:46:10 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Prose Edda was writ AFTER Christianity was widespread and rather
jihadist. The Norse gods were intentionally "humanized" -
portrayed as non-divine - on purpose to evade Xian accusations
of, and perhaps harsh actions for, 'promoting paganism'. As such, >>>>> mortal 'heros' from old historic 'heroical' civs people had HEARD >>>>> of but few knew much about fill the roles.
Yes it was about 200 years after Iceland decided to go Christian at
the Thing but they may not have been as force fed as the continent.
My question to myself is why and how Troy. What else was Snorri
reading?
You might want to check out the Trójumanna saga. My wife was the
leading scholar on this saga in North America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%C3%B3jumanna_saga
Fascinating! When was it written down the first time and who wrote it
down? The wiki entry was quite thin, so perhaps your wife could add >>something to it?
I have never heard about this one myself.
I wish she could but she died two years ago.
Somehow I also get the feeling that IQ tends to drop at the same time as
the probability of someone being a terrorist increases.
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer >>>>> punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One >>>>> stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some >>>>> people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some >>>>> sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:55:33 +0200) it happened D
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:27:20 +0200) it happened D
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
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On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process. >>>>>>>>>
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses >>>>>>>>>
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations. >>>>>>
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can >>>>> carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine >>>>> something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive >>>>> than good old guns and cannons.
Super capacitors are very powerful, can hold enough charge to start a car...
https://www.google.com/search?q=starting+a+car+with+super+capacitors
Some power MOSFETs or whatever as switches and a bunch of coils should make
a very light gun with a small battery with a couple of seconds recharge for the capacitors?
Some photo cells for the bullet position detection, simple electronics. >>>> It is about energy.. per unit of time.
If you could design something handheld with the same amount of energy as a >>> regular gun I am fairly convinced that you have a very good business idea >>> here! =)
'Handheld' is a big word, but for sure something like a gun, not a handgun, should be no problem.
I am an experimenter.. but 4 sure somebody must already have had a go?
A quick google finds objections to the idea:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/718bcp/super_capacitors_for_coil_gun/
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/172438/can-i-use-a-supercapacitor-like-maxwell-boostcap-3000f-on-a-coilgun
Ahh... so maybe my earlier research wasn't quite off the mark after all?
I do not see it quite that way, have had considerable experience with magnetic deflection systems for TV (before LCD and OLED
came).
I think I leave the challenge to others for now...
What a shame! =( You do sound like a smart guy so I would have been very >interested in watching what you would have come up with.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:27:36 +0100, D wrote:
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously
complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some
opportunities for great tax planning?
No idea. My tax situation is not complex so it's pretty much fill in the
blanks. That leads many people to wonder why the Federal government,
which
receives all the forms that I use, doesn't do the job itself.
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree"
or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 00:32:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/26/24 2:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I
thought that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
The "all for one, one for all" thing only goes just SO far :-)
Not very far at all today. I believe that sort of social cohesion requires
a situation where half the population doesn't want to see the other half sharing an ice floe with a hungry polar bear.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:02:32 +0100, D wrote:
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree"
or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
That's not quite the US system. You get various paper forms from
employers, banks, and social security and have to transcribe box 4, 7, 8,
and 10 or whatever by hand.
One year I missed some sort of deduction and they sent a refund check with
an explanation of what I screwed up so I think deep in the bowels of the
IRS unless you are Donald Trump an audit is comparing what you submitted
with what they already know.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:20:14 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
In the USA, there's usually a news vid per month of some house
suddenly exploding all over the neighborhood due to a GAS LEAK. Most
gas appliances still use a pilot-light, a tiny perpetual flame. Gas
from leaky pipes WILL eventually find that. I would never own gas
appliances ... not for any 'green' reasons but because of the risk
element.
I use propane for heating and cooking. A couple of weeks ago the tank was replaced. Part of the procedure after hooking it up was a leak down test.
The house plumbing is pressurized to 5 psi and must hold the pressure for
at least 3 minutes.
I'd had a leak test a few years ago and it wasn't possible to turn off the pilot light feed enough to pass which required installing another gas cock
to turn off the entire stove.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe >>>>>>> there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old >>>>>> primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the
powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the
bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily
available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in
the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45
ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook
up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of
smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many
years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >>>
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very
powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
Ahh, maybe you are up for the challenge? I vaguely remember thinking
about modifying 3 things...
1. The metal used.
2. The temperature.
3. I found some hyper-modern capacitor on some chinese website that supposedly was 30%-50% more high density and capable than regular
capacitors.
But in the end, my lack of electronics knowledge, combined with the
common opinion that it is not possible with todays technology convinced
me to let it go.
But perhaps it would be possible to reach similar energy outputs as
cross bows? That would still be pretty respectable.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:10:59 +0200, D wrote:
True. And in case you don't want to bother the BVM, ask a helper saint
or two.
When I was very young there wasn't a Catholic church in town. A priest started working to get one built and worked his way up from holding the
Mass in a tent, to a glorified chicken house, to finally a brick and
mortar church. Early on it was decided it would be named after St. Jude,
the patron saint of hopeless causes. Who knows, maybe it worked.
Wasn't it some theologians who were speculating about a hierarchy of
angels between god and earth, since god could not be in contact with
crude matter, he had an angel to help him, but that angel was too
spiritual, so he had another one... angels all the way down.
Could be. The 'angels dancing on the head of a pin' trope came from early Protestants making fun of the Scholastics like Thomas Aquinas, Duns
Scotus, or William of Occam. The Protestants weren't big on systematic theology. Sola fide!
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:57:06 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Read up on what the Mormons (and some other US ultra-fundie)
"missions" are up to in eastern India ..... nasty.
Nothing new. If you stop in some of the smaller towns in Utah you may
notice many blue eyed blondes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter- day_Saints_in_Sweden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter- day_Saints_in_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers
I don't know if the missionaries mentioned the part about being dropped in Iowa, pointed west, and told to start walking. Enough survived to enrich
the gene pool.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 03:39:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
There are easily dozens of religions today. Go back before
Islamic/Xian imperialism and there were hundreds. Each was CONVINCED
they Had It Right, had their Proofs. As much as the religions dislike
each other though, the one thing that sends them all into a panic are
the "apostate" ... because THAT one idea kinda undermines ALL their
propaganda campaigns.
The Indo-European polytheistic religions, including today's Hinduism, were more 'pick a god, any god'. I might prefer Wotan but if you're more
aligned with Freyr go for it. Same with Ganesha, Vishnu, Shiva, and the
rest or the Greek pantheon.
Smith's supposed golden plates and the magical spectacles needed to decode them aroused skepticism and he and his followers thought going west was a
good idea. Smith eventually was killed and Young ultimately brought the
flock to Utah.
I've been to the Mountain Meadows Massacre site. There is a monument that
is vandalized regularly and it isn't on the tourist maps but if you know
what you're looking for you can find it. As you approach Salt Lake City on the interstate from the east you can look across the canyon and see the fortifications that were constructed when Utah was getting ready to go to
war with the US.
The fundamentalist groups do exist. There is a small town south of here, Pinesdale, that is Apostolic United Brethren, one of the subgroups. It's assumed they are polygamists but they don't cause trouble so they're not bothered. I've was hiking on the trails above the town and ran into a
young guy, two women, and several kids taking a Sunday walk. They were all happy and well fed so whatever the arrangement it was none of my business.
My brother worked in Utah for 20 years. The state has gotten more diverse
but back then it was mostly mormon. His wife, the daughter of a Baptist minister, referred to experience as 'camping out'. Everything revolved
around the Mormon church and there wasn't much social activity if you
weren't in the club. When my brother's sons approached college age he told them he would support their education in any college they wanted -- as
long as it wasn't in the state of Utah.
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 06:48:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
imposing all sort of stupid trade restriction, forbidding us to export
latest chip technology to China.
Considering that without ASML 3 nm isn't going to happen, the US is
nervous. Of course the US once has a photolithography capability before
they pissed it away like everything else.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:57:06 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Read up on what the Mormons (and some other US ultra-fundie)
"missions" are up to in eastern India ..... nasty.
Nothing new. If you stop in some of the smaller towns in Utah you may
notice many blue eyed blondes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter- day_Saints_in_Sweden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter- day_Saints_in_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers
I don't know if the missionaries mentioned the part about being dropped in Iowa, pointed west, and told to start walking. Enough survived to enrich
the gene pool.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:10:59 +0200, D wrote:
True. And in case you don't want to bother the BVM, ask a helper saint
or two.
When I was very young there wasn't a Catholic church in town. A priest started working to get one built and worked his way up from holding the
Mass in a tent, to a glorified chicken house, to finally a brick and
mortar church. Early on it was decided it would be named after St. Jude,
the patron saint of hopeless causes. Who knows, maybe it worked.
Wasn't it some theologians who were speculating about a hierarchy of
angels between god and earth, since god could not be in contact with
crude matter, he had an angel to help him, but that angel was too
spiritual, so he had another one... angels all the way down.
Could be. The 'angels dancing on the head of a pin' trope came from early Protestants making fun of the Scholastics like Thomas Aquinas, Duns
Scotus, or William of Occam. The Protestants weren't big on systematic theology. Sola fide!
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:04:51 +0200, D wrote:
The link to Thompson's pdf describes several techniques. I enjoy
playing several different musical instruments that tend to require all
your fingers so I'll stick with the commercial offerings.
Probably a wise choice!
For stuff like that I remember the old adage: 'You only ever make one
really good batch of nitroglycerin'.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:03:56 +0200, D wrote:
Somehow I also get the feeling that IQ tends to drop at the same time as
the probability of someone being a terrorist increases.
That has to be the case for the suicidal variety. At least the IRA only
blew themselves up by mistake.
otoh some of the supposed finest minds of the generation brought us Hiroshima. I'm familiar with all the arguments but I don't know what else
to call it. Shock and awe?
It was a much nicer world when armies lined up in neat rows on
battlefields and shot at each other.
On 3/27/24 2:02 PM, D wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:27:36 +0100, D wrote:
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously
complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some
opportunities for great tax planning?
No idea. My tax situation is not complex so it's pretty much fill in the >>> blanks. That leads many people to wonder why the Federal government, which >>> receives all the forms that I use, doesn't do the job itself.
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the state, >> and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree" or login
and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
Wow - WAY TOO EASY !!!
The USA requires super-complex tax calculations with
the INTENT that you will screw it up so they can smash
you with all kinds of heavy penalties ! :-)
Hey, like most, the USA is a heavy DEBT "economy" ...
they HAVE to find ways to screw money out of you just
to kinda cover the years losses. I understand, but
it SUCKS.
This is why I employ rather expensive accountants, even
IF my tax picture SEEMS relatively "simple".
THIS year is special, it's decidedly NOT "simple". Badly
need those skilled accountants. They called the other day,
say my returns are ready ... DREAD !!!
The STUPID bit is that the tax people KNOW every penny,
every gain, every loss, every nuance. They COULD just
provide a Swedish-style bill. But they won't ... no
money/terror in that .......... :-)
Sorry, the USA is NOT "ideal" sometimes. If you ever
plan to move here, KNOW that. Government is a massive
KLUDGE - nothing logical or organized.
On 3/27/24 9:17 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 19:02:32 +0100, D wrote:
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree"
or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
That's not quite the US system. You get various paper forms from
employers, banks, and social security and have to transcribe box 4, 7, 8,
and 10 or whatever by hand.
One year I missed some sort of deduction and they sent a refund check with >> an explanation of what I screwed up so I think deep in the bowels of the
IRS unless you are Donald Trump an audit is comparing what you submitted
with what they already know.
I'm in love with his Swedish Solution !
NOT like that AT ALL in the USA. Indeed they seem
to COUNT on confusing you so they can demand all
sorts of penalties.
So, you spend $1000 or more on accountants every year
or GET BLASTED.
Here, "middle-aged" normal wage-earners seem to get
the easiest solutions - can often fill out the tax
forms themselves. But earlier or later ... DO pay
the professionals !
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:25:36 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <fAqdneSXvO2vMJD7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer. Then the powder is >>>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
I have little experience with super-caps,
been thinking about some of the objectives by others I found with google.
The coil gun I build many years ago had several coils.
Indeed normal caps,
But as to all the objections
you need different coils for speeding up and photo cells to tell where exactly the 'bullet' is
to power the specific coil on the route at the right time.
Very long pulse at the startup coil, and extremely short pulse at the exit coil
Sure a few turns low impedance coil can be triggered by a transformer,. all timing and processing by a micro.
I kept thinking (this sort of thing always sets the brain in motion in my case)
and wondered if I could remove any friction by using diamagnetism as levitation..
https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3039.jpg
probably shooting pencil leads a no no, how to get the thing moving?
But then, how about using those small strong magnets as bullets?
Acceleration then, with the right moment switching, is twice as much..
think of a sinewave signal in a tube, coil south attracts magnet north,
then in the middle (sine wave zero crossing drive) no signal, free flight then past the middle of the coil south pusses magnet south.
First coil powered by a low frequency single period generator,
then any next one by a higher frequency.
With a magnet bullet starting it by putting a same pole magnet behind it saves power...
So many ideas, could be a years long project, fun!
Ahh, maybe you are up for the challenge? I vaguely remember thinking about >> modifying 3 things...
1. The metal used.
2. The temperature.
3. I found some hyper-modern capacitor on some chinese website that
supposedly was 30%-50% more high density and capable than regular
capacitors.
What you'd NEED are "photo-caps" ... ie designed to dump
a huge amount of energy REALLY fast. For an EM weapon
you need to dump a LOT of power into each progressive
coil set.
For an actual effective weapon, assume 400-600 feet
per second velocity minimum. Larger caliber, you can
get away with lower velocity.
In any case, you are talking a LOT of energy which has
to be deployed in an organized way in a tiny fraction
of a second. Existing, compact/light, electric components
really aren't that GOOD at meeting such specs.
In short, you might make an "electric pistol", but it
will only fire ONE projectile. May as well go back to
the 17th century flint/match-lock smooth-bores ....
Just being REAL here .......
You'd get better practical use from a "Taser". Use
the electricity as a weapon unto itself.
But in the end, my lack of electronics knowledge, combined with the common >> opinion that it is not possible with todays technology convinced me to let >> it go.
But perhaps it would be possible to reach similar energy outputs as cross
bows? That would still be pretty respectable.
I am not a math-whiz ... but TRY to calc the energy
involved in what you want.
Um ... somebody somewhere said they designed electron
guns for TV tubes ... how the HELL, with a relatively
simple coil design, did they manage to so precisely guide
that thin beam over a relatively large TV screen ???
The last "tube" TV I had was like 42 inch - weighed
like 100 kilos. Eventually sold it, buying a flat
LCD screen, but it took TWO large guys to get the
thing into a truck and to their house. One was a
police officer, supposedly "in shape" :-)
Oh well, I only charged ONE DOLLAR ... just wanted to
get rid of the thing. Lasted 'em five years ... not
bad for a dollar ! GOOD picture !
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:00:50 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <63409ec7-44c4-7ebb-6a5c-013d0b8a7a08@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 14:55:33 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<8ff2029b-c258-a9f2-cc39-5a6a8bae9ed1@example.net>:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 11:27:20 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
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On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>>>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process. >>>>>>>>>>
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses >>>>>>>>>>
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the
evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke
and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern
gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations. >>>>>>>
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerful...
I looked into it a few years ago and for something mobile that you can >>>>>> carry the power didn't even come close to regular firearms.
When it comes to something stationary on the other hand, there I imagine >>>>>> something interesting could be built, but probably will be more expensive
than good old guns and cannons.
Super capacitors are very powerful, can hold enough charge to start a car...
https://www.google.com/search?q=starting+a+car+with+super+capacitors >>>>>
Some power MOSFETs or whatever as switches and a bunch of coils should make
a very light gun with a small battery with a couple of seconds recharge for the capacitors?
Some photo cells for the bullet position detection, simple electronics. >>>>> It is about energy.. per unit of time.
If you could design something handheld with the same amount of energy as a >>>> regular gun I am fairly convinced that you have a very good business idea >>>> here! =)
'Handheld' is a big word, but for sure something like a gun, not a handgun, should be no problem.
I am an experimenter.. but 4 sure somebody must already have had a go?
A quick google finds objections to the idea:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/718bcp/super_capacitors_for_coil_gun/
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/172438/can-i-use-a-supercapacitor-like-maxwell-boostcap-3000f-on-a-coilgun
Ahh... so maybe my earlier research wasn't quite off the mark after all?
I do not see it quite that way, have had considerable experience with magnetic deflection systems for TV (before LCD and OLED
came).
I think I leave the challenge to others for now...
What a shame! =( You do sound like a smart guy so I would have been very
interested in watching what you would have come up with.
Thank you for the compliment, of course I could not stop
thinking about it... see my reply to 68...
I know US has a rail gun on one of the ships,, https://www.google.com/search?q=US+railgun+weapon&sca_esv=8c5db270b0b5c01b
A smaller one should be possibe?
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:25:36 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <fAqdneSXvO2vMJD7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there >>>>>>> is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is >>>>>> measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long >>>>>> run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm, >>>>>> and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with
match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197 >>> With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
I have little experience with super-caps,
been thinking about some of the objectives by others I found with google.
The coil gun I build many years ago had several coils.
Indeed normal caps,
But as to all the objections
you need different coils for speeding up and photo cells to tell where exactly the 'bullet' is
to power the specific coil on the route at the right time.
Very long pulse at the startup coil, and extremely short pulse at the exit coil
Sure a few turns low impedance coil can be triggered by a transformer,. all timing and processing by a micro.
I kept thinking (this sort of thing always sets the brain in motion in my case)
and wondered if I could remove any friction by using diamagnetism as levitation..
https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3039.jpg
probably shooting pencil leads a no no, how to get the thing moving?
But then, how about using those small strong magnets as bullets?
Acceleration then, with the right moment switching, is twice as much..
think of a sinewave signal in a tube, coil south attracts magnet north,
then in the middle (sine wave zero crossing drive) no signal, free flight then past the middle of the coil south pusses magnet south.
First coil powered by a low frequency single period generator,
then any next one by a higher frequency.
With a magnet bullet starting it by putting a same pole magnet behind it saves power...
So many ideas, could be a years long project, fun!
1. The metal used.
2. The temperature.
On 4/3/24 10:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:10:59 +0200, D wrote:
True. And in case you don't want to bother the BVM, ask a helper saint
or two.
When I was very young there wasn't a Catholic church in town. A priest
started working to get one built and worked his way up from holding the
Mass in a tent, to a glorified chicken house, to finally a brick and
mortar church. Early on it was decided it would be named after St. Jude,
the patron saint of hopeless causes. Who knows, maybe it worked.
Wasn't it some theologians who were speculating about a hierarchy of
angels between god and earth, since god could not be in contact with
crude matter, he had an angel to help him, but that angel was too
spiritual, so he had another one... angels all the way down.
Could be. The 'angels dancing on the head of a pin' trope came from early >> Protestants making fun of the Scholastics like Thomas Aquinas, Duns
Scotus, or William of Occam. The Protestants weren't big on systematic
theology. Sola fide!
It's all Silly Stuff ... ignore it. Stick to emperics,
measurable, quantifiable, logical/mathematical rules.
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION,
and can be twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries
that have no real-world manifestation.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:04:51 +0200, D wrote:
The link to Thompson's pdf describes several techniques. I enjoy
playing several different musical instruments that tend to require all
your fingers so I'll stick with the commercial offerings.
Probably a wise choice!
For stuff like that I remember the old adage: 'You only ever make one
really good batch of nitroglycerin'.
What you'd NEED are "photo-caps" ... ie designed to dump
a huge amount of energy REALLY fast. For an EM weapon
you need to dump a LOT of power into each progressive
coil set.
For an actual effective weapon, assume 400-600 feet
per second velocity minimum. Larger caliber, you can
get away with lower velocity.
In any case, you are talking a LOT of energy which has
to be deployed in an organized way in a tiny fraction
of a second. Existing, compact/light, electric components
really aren't that GOOD at meeting such specs.
In short, you might make an "electric pistol", but it
will only fire ONE projectile. May as well go back to
the 17th century flint/match-lock smooth-bores ....
Just being REAL here .......
You'd get better practical use from a "Taser". Use
the electricity as a weapon unto itself.
But in the end, my lack of electronics knowledge, combined with the
common opinion that it is not possible with todays technology convinced
me to let it go.
But perhaps it would be possible to reach similar energy outputs as
cross bows? That would still be pretty respectable.
I am not a math-whiz ... but TRY to calc the energy
involved in what you want.
Um ... somebody somewhere said they designed electron
guns for TV tubes ... how the HELL, with a relatively
simple coil design, did they manage to so precisely guide
that thin beam over a relatively large TV screen ???
The last "tube" TV I had was like 42 inch - weighed
like 100 kilos. Eventually sold it, buying a flat
LCD screen, but it took TWO large guys to get the
thing into a truck and to their house. One was a
police officer, supposedly "in shape" :-)
Oh well, I only charged ONE DOLLAR ... just wanted to
get rid of the thing. Lasted 'em five years ... not
bad for a dollar ! GOOD picture !
On 3/27/24 11:37 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 00:32:23 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/26/24 2:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:26:55 +0100, D wrote:
But surely you cannot have ended up at swedish levels of 65%? I
thought that was more or less impossible in the us?
No, it's not that bad. Yet. otoh, we don't get much for our money.
The "all for one, one for all" thing only goes just SO far :-)
Not very far at all today. I believe that sort of social cohesion requires >> a situation where half the population doesn't want to see the other half
sharing an ice floe with a hungry polar bear.
Social cohesion/identity ... in most 'western' nations ...
is at a fatal low IMHO. Too many have gone sociopathic
and/or imagine that life will go on fine regardless.
As such, I see this as the END. "Western civ" - it's
history/ideals/philosophies/visions - have reached
a terminal phase. 2500 years - the Giant Flushing
Sound. I do not LIKE it, but this is what I'm
seeing now. All accomplished in the past 50/60
years apparently. Wow.
Back to the 9th century. Start over. No results
but pain assured.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:25:36 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<fAqdneSXvO2vMJD7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process.
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
I have little experience with super-caps,
been thinking about some of the objectives by others I found with google.
The coil gun I build many years ago had several coils.
Indeed normal caps,
But as to all the objections
you need different coils for speeding up and photo cells to tell where exactly the 'bullet' is
to power the specific coil on the route at the right time.
Very long pulse at the startup coil, and extremely short pulse at the exit coil
Sure a few turns low impedance coil can be triggered by a transformer,. all timing and processing by a micro.
I kept thinking (this sort of thing always sets the brain in motion in my case)
and wondered if I could remove any friction by using diamagnetism as levitation..
https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3039.jpg
probably shooting pencil leads a no no, how to get the thing moving?
But then, how about using those small strong magnets as bullets?
Acceleration then, with the right moment switching, is twice as much..
think of a sinewave signal in a tube, coil south attracts magnet north,
then in the middle (sine wave zero crossing drive) no signal, free flight
then past the middle of the coil south pusses magnet south.
First coil powered by a low frequency single period generator,
then any next one by a higher frequency.
With a magnet bullet starting it by putting a same pole magnet behind it saves power...
So many ideas, could be a years long project, fun!
Do you think any of the following:
1. The metal used.
2. The temperature.
As in not having coils out of copper, but some better metal, and cooling
it would have any measurable effect on the system? Of course the cost will
go up when you move from copper to metal X, but as always, you can't have >your cake and eat it. ;)
Never though of magnetic bullets, that was also a nice idea!
Ahh! Lo and behold... I found my old project directory from a few years
ago, or may 4:th 2020, to be more specific, and the capacitor I was
looking into was a Carbon based Power Capacitor Cell from Altreonic NV, >Gemeentestraat 61A B1, B3210 Linden, Belgium.
If you want to see the specs, have a look here:
https://we.tl/t-zeRAARHQVE
I also added an old document from some madm scientist about optimizations.
On a sunny day (Thu, 4 Apr 2024 11:00:05 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <f265b656-d320-c676-52d7-a092833e653c@example.net>:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 15:25:36 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<fAqdneSXvO2vMJD7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/3/24 3:15 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Apr 2024 00:26:56 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" >>>>> <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<_bOcnfcTQ_4MR5H7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/2/24 7:56 AM, D wrote:
On Tue, 1 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 22:27:03 +0200, D wrote:
It does seem very fiddly and slow to hand load, but I guess maybe there
is a therapeutic aspect to it?
It beats knitting... A progressive press speeds up the process. >>>>>>>>
https://leeprecision.com/reloading-presses-progressive-presses >>>>>>>>
A case is fed into the first station where it is sized and the old primer
punched out. The next station inserts a new primer.?? Then the powder is
measured into the case. The last station seats and crimps the bullet. One
stroke of the lever accomplishes all phases.
In the US primers, powder, cases, and bullets are readily available. Some
people cast their own bullets but that isn't very economical in the long
run. The traditional lead source was wheel weights but lead being the >>>>>>>> evil
and nasty stuff it is lead weights are being phased out.
Cases that don't require much resizing like .38/.357, .44, .45 ACP, 9mm,
and 9mm kurz can be reloaded many times. Conceivably you can cook up some
sort of black powder that wouldn't be as good as smokeless but would >>>>>>>> work.
Primers are the biggest challenge. There is something to be said for >>>>>>>> flintlocks.
I think I saw a video somewhere where someone was exprimenting with >>>>>>> match-based gun powder and a revolver. It did work, but plenty of smoke >>>>>>> and dirt, and I think the speed was about 30-40% less than with modern >>>>>>> gun powder.
Nothing really beats modern smokeless powder - consistent
and clean with more energy/gram than any previous formulations.
You can make an electromagnetc gun (coil gun) too, tried it once many years ago,
some youtube examples here:
google.com/search?q=electromagnetc+gun+home+made&sca_esv=661f6c137278c197
With super capacitors these days and simple electronics likely very powerfull...
Heh ... will that fit into your jacket pocket ? :-)
EM/Rail-guns basically require their own little power plant
to generate useful energy levels.
"SuperCaps" are not meant to discharge quickly, banks of
old-fashioned caps would be needed.
I have little experience with super-caps,
been thinking about some of the objectives by others I found with google. >>> The coil gun I build many years ago had several coils.
Indeed normal caps,
But as to all the objections
you need different coils for speeding up and photo cells to tell where exactly the 'bullet' is
to power the specific coil on the route at the right time.
Very long pulse at the startup coil, and extremely short pulse at the exit coil
Sure a few turns low impedance coil can be triggered by a transformer,. all timing and processing by a micro.
I kept thinking (this sort of thing always sets the brain in motion in my case)
and wondered if I could remove any friction by using diamagnetism as levitation..
https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3039.jpg
probably shooting pencil leads a no no, how to get the thing moving?
But then, how about using those small strong magnets as bullets?
Acceleration then, with the right moment switching, is twice as much..
think of a sinewave signal in a tube, coil south attracts magnet north,
then in the middle (sine wave zero crossing drive) no signal, free flight >>> then past the middle of the coil south pusses magnet south.
First coil powered by a low frequency single period generator,
then any next one by a higher frequency.
With a magnet bullet starting it by putting a same pole magnet behind it saves power...
So many ideas, could be a years long project, fun!
Do you think any of the following:
1. The metal used.
Sure, and for coils and fast transients there is the 'skin effect': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
2. The temperature.
Maybe the temperature is not that big of a problem for coils that are on for a few milliseconds
followed by a several seconds pause.
As in not having coils out of copper, but some better metal, and cooling
it would have any measurable effect on the system? Of course the cost will >> go up when you move from copper to metal X, but as always, you can't have
your cake and eat it. ;)
Never though of magnetic bullets, that was also a nice idea!
Ahh! Lo and behold... I found my old project directory from a few years
ago, or may 4:th 2020, to be more specific, and the capacitor I was
looking into was a Carbon based Power Capacitor Cell from Altreonic NV,
Gemeentestraat 61A B1, B3210 Linden, Belgium.
If you want to see the specs, have a look here:
https://we.tl/t-zeRAARHQVE
Interesting datasheet,
100 A pulse for 200 ms is not bad!
Physical capacitor size is not too big either.
A 19 A charge current for the 2.7 V cap, and 4 A for the 4 V cap, the 4 V cap would perhaps be a good choice with 10 A pulse discharge.
I also added an old document from some madm scientist about optimizations.
Nice paper, yes re-magnetizing the magnetic bullets could become a problem! He seems to think along the same lines as I did.
Doing real experiments is always the only reality.
Come to think of it, I wonder how often the leader of the terrorist
group is smart though? And how he managed to get there? I can easily
imagine Bin Laden playing the game during his career "you blow yourself
up first, and I'll join you right after".
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 06:48:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:Really? How did that happen?
imposing all sort of stupid trade restriction, forbidding us to export
latest chip technology to China.
Considering that without ASML 3 nm isn't going to happen, the US is
nervous. Of course the US once has a photolithography capability before
they pissed it away like everything else.
College in Utah? Sounds very, very boring! I heard they are not allowed
to drink coffee! I mean who in his right mind could believe that God has
a quarrel with coffee drinkers?
Well, by family tradition, I'd say Woden ....
I'm an agnostic, but I'm still fascinated by the phenomenon of religion.
I've often toyed with the idea of justifying religious on pragmatic
grouns. Does it work? Does it make me a better person without harming
anyone else? Go for it!
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world
manifestation.
Um ... DO consider electric cooking/heating.
Did you ever think about incorporating yourself and working only as a contractor? In my experience in europe, this is one way to avoid the
extreme taxations of regular income.
I know US has a rail gun on one of the ships,,q=US+railgun+weapon&sca_esv=8c5db270b0b5c01b
https://www.google.com/search?
A smaller one should be possibe?
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:30:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, by family tradition, I'd say Woden ....
The Allfather has a lot of names... Have you ever read Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods' ?
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/27/24 2:02 PM, D wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:27:36 +0100, D wrote:
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously
complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some
opportunities for great tax planning?
No idea. My tax situation is not complex so it's pretty much fill in
the
blanks. That leads many people to wonder why the Federal government,
which
receives all the forms that I use, doesn't do the job itself.
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I
agree" or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
Wow - WAY TOO EASY !!!
Well, the cost is that they of course fill in the default based on the maximum amount to themselves. ;)
The USA requires super-complex tax calculations with
the INTENT that you will screw it up so they can smash
you with all kinds of heavy penalties ! :-)
Hey, like most, the USA is a heavy DEBT "economy" ...
they HAVE to find ways to screw money out of you just
to kinda cover the years losses. I understand, but
it SUCKS.
This is why I employ rather expensive accountants, even
IF my tax picture SEEMS relatively "simple".
Did you ever think about incorporating yourself and working only as a contractor? In my experience in europe, this is one way to avoid the
extreme taxations of regular income.
THIS year is special, it's decidedly NOT "simple". Badly
need those skilled accountants. They called the other day,
say my returns are ready ... DREAD !!!
The STUPID bit is that the tax people KNOW every penny,
every gain, every loss, every nuance. They COULD just
provide a Swedish-style bill. But they won't ... no
money/terror in that .......... :-)
Sorry, the USA is NOT "ideal" sometimes. If you ever
plan to move here, KNOW that. Government is a massive
KLUDGE - nothing logical or organized.
Please don't destroy my dreams and illusions! ;)
No ... but I think a subscription TV edifice made an episodic series
PERHAPS from that. The Allfather was engineering a comeback .....
Sorry ! Forget what I said ! The USA is a UTOPIA
from sea to shining sea ! Visit from the southern border and the govt
will GIVE you a place to live and a debit card. Know any Spanish ?
Having seen both, both the BeeLink and BMax seem to be, for all
purposes, exactly the same machines - identical form factor and board
layout. So, if you get interested in these mini's shop both brands
and buy whichever has the lowest price for the needed specs. Any of
them have their uses and there is a wide spectrum of
price/performance options to choose from.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 20:01:38 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
No ... but I think a subscription TV edifice made an episodic series
PERHAPS from that. The Allfather was engineering a comeback .....
I don't think I've seen the series. Hopefully it made it to the screen
better than 'Good Omens'.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 20:01:38 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
No ... but I think a subscription TV edifice made an episodic series
PERHAPS from that. The Allfather was engineering a comeback .....
I don't think I've seen the series. Hopefully it made it to the screen
better than 'Good Omens'.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 19:54:01 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Sorry ! Forget what I said ! The USA is a UTOPIA
from sea to shining sea ! Visit from the southern border and the govt
will GIVE you a place to live and a debit card. Know any Spanish ?
Does 'chinga tu madre maricon' count. I have been playong around with the Duolingo Spanish version but I think my patience has worn out. Spanish
plays fast and loose with articles and pronouns and Duo can't seem to make
up its mind whether to use an article or not. I'm not interested enough to pay for the super version so after 5 errors you're done for 24 hours. You have to infer grammar and syntax from the examples.
Having seen both, both the BeeLink and BMax seem to be, for all
purposes, exactly the same machines - identical form factor and board
layout. So, if you get interested in these mini's shop both brands
and buy whichever has the lowest price for the needed specs. Any of
them have their uses and there is a wide spectrum of
price/performance options to choose from.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/what-i-learned-when-i-replaced-my- cheap-pi-5-pc-with-a-no-name-amazon-mini-desktop/
He picked the Bosgame and GMKTec offerings and talks about the subtle differences.
That niche has really exploded. When I bought my Beelink the choice was an Intel i5 something or the AMD Ryzen 7. I don't think there were any of the really cheap variants.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world
manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words. iirc I'd come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to get to Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
Alas I don't think it was renewed ... or maybe the particular for-pay
channel was dropped by my cable provider ......
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 00:27:12 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Alas I don't think it was renewed ... or maybe the particular for-pay
channel was dropped by my cable provider ......
Apparently it was on Starz. Amazon said 'not available' instead of the
usual 'do you want to subscribe to...'
On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 05:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I know US has a rail gun on one of the ships,,
https://www.google.com/search? >q=US+railgun+weapon&sca_esv=8c5db270b0b5c01b
A smaller one should be possibe?
Vaporware. They have a 500 million dollar project that sort of works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gods_(TV_series)
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:30:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, by family tradition, I'd say Woden ....
The Allfather has a lot of names... Have you ever read Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods' ?
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:37:22 +0200, D wrote:
Come to think of it, I wonder how often the leader of the terrorist
group is smart though? And how he managed to get there? I can easily
imagine Bin Laden playing the game during his career "you blow yourself
up first, and I'll join you right after".
I don't remember LBJ offering to take a vacation in Vietnam. He's but one example. Leaders don't tend to die in the trenches.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:31:27 +0200, D wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 06:48:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:Really? How did that happen?
imposing all sort of stupid trade restriction, forbidding us to export >>>> latest chip technology to China.
Considering that without ASML 3 nm isn't going to happen, the US is
nervous. Of course the US once has a photolithography capability before
they pissed it away like everything else.
It's cheaper to let someone else do it. While there may be other factors
that has been the motivation behind the transfer of technology from the
US. If you look into the history of photolithography, the process was
first applied to electronics by the US Army in the search for a better, smaller bomb fuse. Not to take anything away from ASML but how did they become the sole suppler for the latest generation of technology?
Someone is making money but I'm not optimistic about Biden's plans to
reverse sixty years or more of bad choices based on economics and
expedience.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:30:55 +0200, D wrote:
College in Utah? Sounds very, very boring! I heard they are not allowed
to drink coffee! I mean who in his right mind could believe that God has
a quarrel with coffee drinkers?
My brother moved to Utah from Huntsville after switching horses from
Boeing to Thikol. As he was settling in his new secretary made it very
clear she didn't make coffee and he'd better make his own arrangements if
he wanted any.
Huntsville was a strange land for the northern engineers since Alabama was still segregated which must have amused von Braun and his crew. Utah was
just as strange.
It wasn't entirely dry. If you went to a restaurant they would serve
setups and at least at some you could buy a bottle of liquor with the stipulation that the bottle didn't leave with you. A woman ran a political campaign with the slogan 'Buy a drink, not a drunk' figuring if you bought
a bottle you would finish it. Anyway the result was after the waitress brought the setups everyone pulled oput their pocket flasks like the prohibition era.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world
manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words. iirc I'd come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to get to Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 11:02:57 +0200, D wrote:
I'm an agnostic, but I'm still fascinated by the phenomenon of religion.
I've often toyed with the idea of justifying religious on pragmatic
grouns. Does it work? Does it make me a better person without harming
anyone else? Go for it!
My fascination is what makes a religion work. What is it that makes one
set of implausible assumptions take hold and grow when others are
footnotes. Why not Mithraism? How did Smith's ideas about a prehistoric
North American civilization that had arrived from the mid-East take hold
to the point that an adherent like Romney could run for president? Why is Jainism an also ran compared to Buddhism?
Often political forces are involved. Ashoka was a Buddhist not a Jain, Constantine's mother was a Christian, not a Mithraist. The LDS church
wasn't at all popular in its early history and still is treated with suspicion by the mainstream Christians, but it's still around.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 00:28:58 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Gods_(TV_series)
I misspoke; Season 1, Episode 1 is free on Amazon Prime but all the other episodes and seasons say 'This video is currently unavailable'
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:43:44 +0200, D wrote:
Did you ever think about incorporating yourself and working only as a
contractor? In my experience in europe, this is one way to avoid the
extreme taxations of regular income.
In the US that means you have to file quarterly for even more fun. Then
there is the Social Security tax. It is 12.4% but for employees the
employer picks up half and 6.2% is deducted from your wages. A contractor
is on the hook for the full 12.4%. Medicare is the same deal, 1.45% for
the employee and 1.45% for the employer, 2.9% for self-employed.
Of course as a contractor billing by the hour you are getting more than
the hourly wages of a direct employee but you are also not in a corporate insurance plan and other benefits.
For me the biggest drawback was having to sell yourself. I had a core set
of clients but if they didn't have any pending projects I had to scare something up and I'm not a salesperson.
On 4/4/24 4:43 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 3/27/24 2:02 PM, D wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:27:36 +0100, D wrote:
So moving to the US I wonder if this will land me in an enormously >>>>>> complex tax jungle, and if that tax jungle might also give me some >>>>>> opportunities for great tax planning?
No idea. My tax situation is not complex so it's pretty much fill in the >>>>> blanks. That leads many people to wonder why the Federal government, >>>>> which
receives all the forms that I use, doesn't do the job itself.
That's how it works in sweden. You get everything filled in from the
state, and if you agree you can send a text message that says "I agree" >>>> or login and click "I agree" on the web site and you're done.
Wow - WAY TOO EASY !!!
Well, the cost is that they of course fill in the default based on the
maximum amount to themselves. ;)
The USA requires super-complex tax calculations with
the INTENT that you will screw it up so they can smash
you with all kinds of heavy penalties ! :-)
Hey, like most, the USA is a heavy DEBT "economy" ...
they HAVE to find ways to screw money out of you just
to kinda cover the years losses. I understand, but
it SUCKS.
This is why I employ rather expensive accountants, even
IF my tax picture SEEMS relatively "simple".
Did you ever think about incorporating yourself and working only as a
contractor? In my experience in europe, this is one way to avoid the
extreme taxations of regular income.
I'm "ok" and just intend to stay retired.
THIS year is special, it's decidedly NOT "simple". Badly
need those skilled accountants. They called the other day,
say my returns are ready ... DREAD !!!
The STUPID bit is that the tax people KNOW every penny,
every gain, every loss, every nuance. They COULD just
provide a Swedish-style bill. But they won't ... no
money/terror in that .......... :-)
Sorry, the USA is NOT "ideal" sometimes. If you ever
plan to move here, KNOW that. Government is a massive
KLUDGE - nothing logical or organized.
Please don't destroy my dreams and illusions! ;)
Sorry ! Forget what I said ! The USA is a UTOPIA
from sea to shining sea ! Visit from the southern
border and the govt will GIVE you a place to live
and a debit card. Know any Spanish ? :-)
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:30:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, by family tradition, I'd say Woden ....
The Allfather has a lot of names... Have you ever read Neil Gaiman's
'American Gods' ?
I recommend it! Don't watch the TV-serise though, I found it absolutely horrible in comparison.
I don't have such a family tradition, but here about we say Oden, with
the "o" pronounced like the o in "boooh".
Ah, I see. Yes, that is a common situation. I have a small network of
very good technical guys who don't like to do the sales stuff, so I sell them, and take a %, and they work on what they do best. A great win/win
for all of us! =)
You should really invest in a single board computer with kodi on it, and
then just torrent what you want to watch instead of paying for streaming services. On the other hand, I guess streaming is more convenient, but I don't know, since I never tried. I'm to set in the ways of my youth to
ever consider anything besides actually having my music and videos on my
own computer.
to replace the pope! Wouldn't that be something? A swedish pope! ;)
My theory is that they are thinking like this:
The current pope is extreme left and this has created severe tensions
within the catholic church where the traditionalists are foaming at the mouth.
When he dies, I see two options... either the right manage to strong arm
the opposition to get a conservative pope _this time_ as compensation
for the leftist one, or... they try and go for reconsiliation and to try
and heal the schism between the left and the right by choosing a
"neutral" pope.
Who could better symbolize a neutral pope to heal the two factions that
a swedish pope?
What do you think about this theory?
Oh yes, I agree. Religion has a subjective and mystic core, and an
external layer that is all about building a community with shared values
and enforcing control.
And speaking of the devil... yesterday I read an article that said that swedens first and so far only cardinal is one the the top 3 contenders
to replace the pope! Wouldn't that be something? A swedish pope!
When he dies, I see two options... either the right manage to strong arm
the opposition to get a conservative pope _this time_ as compensation
for the leftist one, or... they try and go for reconsiliation and to try
and heal the schism between the left and the right by choosing a
"neutral" pope.
Who could better symbolize a neutral pope to heal the two factions that
a swedish pope?
What do you think about this theory?
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) . My favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval stuff was
quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and theoretical physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find that most
engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic.
Varies widely across the Scandies. Granny pronounced it almost like
"Wooden". Not sure where the capital-'O'
pronunciation came from ... invaded Brits maybe ?
Fascinating! Does he have any insight into the current Boeing debacle? I
kind of feel sorry for the people at Boeing. I wonder if it is bad mgmt
all the way through? After all, they have many models which have been
working flawlessly for many many years and only the past 10-15 years or
so have they gotten this bad press.
Yes, that's why I was so astonished. I would have thought with all the resources of the US government, that if it wanted to, it could do it.
But the first question is, why did they let it slip? Was it just regular political ignorance and a naive trust in the international supply chain?
Or something else?
And the second question... how difficult would it be for the US to
rebuild what it has lost?
I read an article somewhere where TSMC had some doubts about expanding
to the US and one of the thoughts in the article was that if they did,
they could kiss any military support good bye when china attacks.
Having their unique technology on their island is part of why the world
would want to protect them from china.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:58:03 +0200, D wrote:
You should really invest in a single board computer with kodi on it, and
then just torrent what you want to watch instead of paying for streaming
services. On the other hand, I guess streaming is more convenient, but I
don't know, since I never tried. I'm to set in the ways of my youth to
ever consider anything besides actually having my music and videos on my
own computer.
Amazon Prime covers expedited shipping, music, and videos. Quite a few
books can be borrowed and there is a freebie every month. I wouldn't pay
for it just for videos but overall I think it's worth it. FreeVee is their
ad supported version and has quite a few title I like.
I have to watch torrent since my wireless plan is 100 GB / month.
That's pretty LOW for the Modern World ......
For the USA, it was recently estimated that the "average person"
needs $1.4 MILLION DOLLARS to retire successfully. That's just BAD
BAD BAD. Fortunately I think their "average person" uses up a LOT
more money each month than ACTUAL persons.
The "average American" has like, MAYBE, something like $87,000 in
savings. That's a VAST diff from that $1.4 million, isn't it ? Most
people in their 50s and even 60s have NO "savings"/investments AT ALL
and are IN DEBT, obsessed with living above their means. Some
*imagine* they will get by on their Social Security pension ... which
likely will NOT exceed $2500/month (AND they tax it !). No, No, NO
!!! Pure delusion/denial.
They'll wind up ageing badly in a single-wide roach-infested 'mobile
home' piled-in with five unwashed alcoholic roomies all named Pedro.
No wonder they vote for the pols offering "free money"
crap ...... (they WON'T actually GET it, of course ...)
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 22:58:35 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
That's pretty LOW for the Modern World ......
Montana isn't necessarily in the modern world. I don't know how much DSL/ fiber is in town but neither are available where I am. I'm not that far
from town but it's not in one of the areas being developed. I'm just happy
4G celluar is available. The other option is satellite.
For the USA, it was recently estimated that the "average person"
needs $1.4 MILLION DOLLARS to retire successfully. That's just BAD
BAD BAD. Fortunately I think their "average person" uses up a LOT
more money each month than ACTUAL persons.
I've read those estimates and I'm certainly not an average person, but I never have been. I very seldom eat out including fast food places and they are a money sink. I don't drink or smoke so there's not that expense. My vacations are driving with a lot of hiking/camping along the way, not
cruises on a floating Petri dish or flights to exotic locales. No fancy clothing and my decor is Early College Student overlaid with Tech Nerd.
It's how I've always lived. I've got too many motorcycles now and the
Toyota will probably outlive me. They're all paid for so no money drain there. To be honest if I found $1.4 million in my bank account tomorrow I wouldn't know what to do with it.
The "average American" has like, MAYBE, something like $87,000 in
savings. That's a VAST diff from that $1.4 million, isn't it ? Most
people in their 50s and even 60s have NO "savings"/investments AT ALL
and are IN DEBT, obsessed with living above their means. Some
*imagine* they will get by on their Social Security pension ... which
likely will NOT exceed $2500/month (AND they tax it !). No, No, NO
!!! Pure delusion/denial.
As far as cash I think $87K may be on the high side. What saves some is
they bought a house in the '70s and can cash out in today's insane real estate market. That assumes the market doesn't crash and burn. That causes friction here since someone who cashed out in California and moves here
with a bulging wallet drives up prices. Wages here, even in the tech
field, are notoriously low.
They'll wind up ageing badly in a single-wide roach-infested 'mobile
home' piled-in with five unwashed alcoholic roomies all named Pedro.
I was joking with my ex when I talked to her last week and asked her if
she had a 'newcomer' for a roommate yet. She lives in NYC and I think the mayor seriously floated that option out.
No wonder they vote for the pols offering "free money"
crap ...... (they WON'T actually GET it, of course ...)
Social Security is a third rail. It's not sustainable but I and many more like me have been paying in for 50 or 60 years. Cut it off abruptly and you'll have a heavily armed geriatric army with nothing to lose.
https://wiki.lspace.org/Silver_Horde
I miss Pratchett. He was always good for a chuckle.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 20:21:30 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
They REALLY believed in "Red Dawn". On the other hand they were not
militants, not out to overthrow the govt or set stuff on fire or
anything like that.
I ran into a JBS member at an Appleseed shoot a few years ago and was surprised the organization was still around.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170809213236/http://www.revilo-oliver.com/ news/2015/01/revilo-oliver-on-the-john-birch-society/
Oliver had some strong opinions on the society when he bailed in 1966.
Some of what he says about the middle class rings true today. He was also
a co-founder of National Review before falling out with Buckley. I don't
know if he was correct about the controllers of the organization but there
is no argument that it collected dues and accomplished nothing.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world
manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words. iirc I'd
come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was
fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to
get to
Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) . My favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval stuff was
quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and theoretical physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find that most
engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:58:03 +0200, D wrote:
You should really invest in a single board computer with kodi on it, and
then just torrent what you want to watch instead of paying for streaming
services. On the other hand, I guess streaming is more convenient, but I
don't know, since I never tried. I'm to set in the ways of my youth to
ever consider anything besides actually having my music and videos on my
own computer.
Amazon Prime covers expedited shipping, music, and videos. Quite a few
books can be borrowed and there is a freebie every month. I wouldn't pay
for it just for videos but overall I think it's worth it. FreeVee is their
ad supported version and has quite a few title I like.
I have to watch torrent since my wireless plan is 100 GB / month.
On 4/5/24 10:40 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:30:50 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Well, by family tradition, I'd say Woden ....
The Allfather has a lot of names... Have you ever read Neil Gaiman's
'American Gods' ?
I recommend it! Don't watch the TV-serise though, I found it absolutely
horrible in comparison.
I don't have such a family tradition, but here about we say Oden, with the >> "o" pronounced like the o in "boooh".
Varies widely across the Scandies. Granny pronounced
it almost like "Wooden". Not sure where the capital-'O'
pronunciation came from ... invaded Brits maybe ?
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:51:52 +0200, D wrote:
Ah, I see. Yes, that is a common situation. I have a small network of
very good technical guys who don't like to do the sales stuff, so I sell
them, and take a %, and they work on what they do best. A great win/win
for all of us! =)
I think it was in a book I read but a phrase that stuck in my mind was
'how to hire an employer'. It turns the usual way of thinking upside
down.
On 4/5/24 10:47 AM, D wrote:
s
to replace the pope! Wouldn't that be something? A swedish pope! ;)
My theory is that they are thinking like this:
The current pope is extreme left and this has created severe tensions
within the catholic church where the traditionalists are foaming at the
mouth.
When he dies, I see two options... either the right manage to strong arm
the opposition to get a conservative pope _this time_ as compensation for
the leftist one, or... they try and go for reconsiliation and to try and
heal the schism between the left and the right by choosing a "neutral"
pope.
Who could better symbolize a neutral pope to heal the two factions that a
swedish pope?
What do you think about this theory?
When he opens a can of Surströmming in St. Peter's then
it's all over ! :-)
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:43:03 +0200, D wrote:
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) . My
favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval stuff was
quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
The name is very familiar and I think I've read the first volume on the Greeks. The 95 cent paperback is also very familiar.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and theoretical
physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find that most
engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic.
That would make sense. For my money mathematics is a fiction, a very
useful fiction to be sure but not real. Some of the Buddhist writings draw the distinction between conventional reality and ultimate reality which os
a little gentler than saying fiction. Saying '2' as in '2 cans of cat
food' means you have abstracted the reality of that object over there to a 'can' and even further to 'cat food' rather than 'dog food'. That smells
like playing with Forms.
Theoretical physics is even more rarefied. I'll go with a Wikipedia quote although it's a bit suspect since it references a Shambala publication but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg
"Modern physics has definitely decided in favor of Plato. In fact the smallest units of matter are not physical objects in the ordinary sense;
they are forms, ideas which can be expressed unambiguously only in mathematical language".
The fourth semester of my college physics was quantum theory. I went into
one exam unprepared to find an essay question. I went off on a riff about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle versus Heidegger's principle
uncertainty. I must have tapped into some amphetamine fueled layer of eloquence since the professor thought it interesting rather than hot air.
Who knows, maybe even Heisenberg asked himself why there is something
rather than nothing once or twice. Bohr was even further out.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:47:45 +0200, D wrote:
Oh yes, I agree. Religion has a subjective and mystic core, and an
external layer that is all about building a community with shared values
and enforcing control.
The community is important. I took a contract in Ft. Wayne IN. I didn't
know the area or anyone. Another contractor was LDS. He worked out of
Texas so was in the same boat but a few phone calls and he had a new set
of friends. One thing the LDS church is big on is organized activities to fill your time whether it's bible study or the softball team.
And speaking of the devil... yesterday I read an article that said that
swedens first and so far only cardinal is one the the top 3 contenders
to replace the pope! Wouldn't that be something? A swedish pope!
That would be interesting.
When he dies, I see two options... either the right manage to strong arm
the opposition to get a conservative pope _this time_ as compensation
for the leftist one, or... they try and go for reconsiliation and to try
and heal the schism between the left and the right by choosing a
"neutral" pope.
Who could better symbolize a neutral pope to heal the two factions that
a swedish pope?
What do you think about this theory?
I wouldn't wish the job on anyone. I think Benedict gave up and retired to
a life of quiet contemplation.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 12:34:37 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Varies widely across the Scandies. Granny pronounced it almost like
"Wooden". Not sure where the capital-'O'
pronunciation came from ... invaded Brits maybe ?
Óðinn? I've never dug into how the academics developed the Proto-Germanic *Wōdanaz root, vowel shifts and so forth but Old Norse wound up with the O while German/English kept the W. Just as well; Wednesday wouldn't be the same with an O. It's interesting that the Germans wimped out with
Mittwoch. Some monk must have felt there were too damn many Heathens it
the week.
It went the other way with Thursday rather than Donnerstag.
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:39:34 +0200, D wrote:
Fascinating! Does he have any insight into the current Boeing debacle? I
kind of feel sorry for the people at Boeing. I wonder if it is bad mgmt
all the way through? After all, they have many models which have been
working flawlessly for many many years and only the past 10-15 years or
so have they gotten this bad press.
No, he died a few years back and had been out of Boeing for decades. When
he was with Boeing it was the B-47 program, not civilian aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIM-10_Bomarc
He relocated from Seattle to Huntsville to work on the Bomarc A and then
on the Bomarc B which was the Thiokol solid fuel variant. Thiokol poached
him from Boeing and he stayed with them for the rest of his career. While
he couldn't talk much about what he was doing he was fortunate not to be
in the Space Shuttle program when the Challenger blew up.
I haven't been there since the '80s but at the Air Force Museum at Dayton
OH as you walked to the enclosed hangars there was a field with many of
the missiles he had worked on starting with the Bomarc. afaik none of them were ever used in a conflict. Yet.
On 4/5/24 10:43 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world
manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words. iirc I'd >>> come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was
fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to get to >>> Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) . My
favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval stuff was
quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and theoretical
physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find that most
engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic
I'm gonna agree with that general observation ...
Pure math/physics leads to many possible interpretations.
Sometimes they seem almost "mystical".
See "Godel/Escher/Bach" .....
However the hands-on engineers aren't so much down
with that crap.
On 4/5/24 2:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:58:03 +0200, D wrote:
You should really invest in a single board computer with kodi on it, and >>> then just torrent what you want to watch instead of paying for streaming >>> services. On the other hand, I guess streaming is more convenient, but I >>> don't know, since I never tried. I'm to set in the ways of my youth to
ever consider anything besides actually having my music and videos on my >>> own computer.
Amazon Prime covers expedited shipping, music, and videos. Quite a few
books can be borrowed and there is a freebie every month. I wouldn't pay
for it just for videos but overall I think it's worth it. FreeVee is their >> ad supported version and has quite a few title I like.
I have to watch torrent since my wireless plan is 100 GB / month.
That's pretty LOW for the Modern World ......
My shit DSL+ is 2.4 TB per month. Really don't need
any more speed either, fine for me. I am NOT gonna be
streaming 8K all day long. Don't even have any of those
for-$$$ services ... YouTube or PlutoTV are more than
good enough for special occasions.
The Providers have CONVINCED most people that they MUST
HAVE gigabit data rates - and then CHARGE THEM accordingly.
Then the people wonder why they're BROKE all the time :-)
For the USA, it was recently estimated that the "average
person" needs $1.4 MILLION DOLLARS to retire successfully.
That's just BAD BAD BAD. Fortunately I think their "average
person" uses up a LOT more money each month than ACTUAL
persons.
Ah, current US TV ad ... a "debt-relief" service. The
rube testifies that they cut his debt way down - so NOW
he's booked a holiday in Puerto Rico so he can run his
debt way UP again ....... :-)
Yea, yea, most people NEVER learn .....
The "average American" has like, MAYBE, something like
$87,000 in savings. That's a VAST diff from that $1.4
million, isn't it ? Most people in their 50s and
even 60s have NO "savings"/investments AT ALL and are
IN DEBT, obsessed with living above their means. Some
*imagine* they will get by on their Social Security
pension ... which likely will NOT exceed $2500/month
(AND they tax it !). No, No, NO !!! Pure delusion/denial.
They'll wind up ageing badly in a single-wide roach-infested
'mobile home' piled-in with five unwashed alcoholic roomies
all named Pedro.
No wonder they vote for the pols offering "free money"
crap ...... (they WON'T actually GET it, of course ...)
But I'm getting too cynical again .....
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:35:19 +0200, D wrote:
Yes, that's why I was so astonished. I would have thought with all the
resources of the US government, that if it wanted to, it could do it.
But the first question is, why did they let it slip? Was it just regular
political ignorance and a naive trust in the international supply chain?
Or something else?
I would say a combination. Unlike 'fascist' countries the US has seldom
been able to control business decisions, and if it attempts to do so the horse has left the barn. One example would be rare earth elements. The US
has the resources but it is cheaper to import them despite creating a strategic vulnerability. Certain industries are subsidized in one form or
the other but it's seldom well thought out.
Government regulations are part of why sourcing material overseas is
cheaper. For example the US has potential lithium resources in Nevada but
the proposed mine is now tied up by both environmentalists and Indians claiming it's sacred land. I lean towards tree-hugging but I've hiked
around in that area. You would have to be a jackrabbit to love it.
There is a massive dependence on the supply chain. During the covid fiasco the ports were very inefficient so ships from China were backed up waiting
to unload. Some items were in short supply because they were on a
container ship circling around the port waiting for a slip.
I am guessing at the timeline but I think just in time management became popular around 30 years ago. In theory it reduces the need to maintain inventory and warehouse needed materials. That works fine until the chain breaks down.
Business, by its nature, revolves on how can I make a profit? Even before multi-nationals how will it affect the long term security of the nation wasn't a factor. Back in the '70s I'd read a book 'The Corporate State of ITT' or something like it. ITT under Geneen was one of the first multi- nationals and the book suggested as they proliferated they would outgrow nations.
Japan, at least in the latter part of the 20th century and China did not
let that happen. What is good for Japan or what is good for China is part
of the equation.
And the second question... how difficult would it be for the US to
rebuild what it has lost?
I read an article somewhere where TSMC had some doubts about expanding
to the US and one of the thoughts in the article was that if they did,
they could kiss any military support good bye when china attacks.
The project in Arizona has been delayed. TSMC claims there aren't sufficiently skilled people in the US and they need to bring workers from Taiwan. That doesn't go over well with the local unions and politicians although I believe it's a true statement. How do you have a skilled
workforce to set up and run a fab when you don't have fabs? In any case it wasn't/isn't going to be current state of the art but 5 nm.
Having their unique technology on their island is part of why the world
would want to protect them from china.
And from earthquakes... TSMC is putting a happy face on it but we shall
see how much of a disruption there will be. Considering how much of the economic optimism is based on Nvidia supplying GPUs to the AI market it
could have a ripple effect. I'm concerned about that whole sector anyway.
It smells like Dotcom 2.0 with a lot of money being spent and not much
being made.
1.4 million?! What kind of lifestyle are they counting on? And at what retirement age? If you're not a financial moron, with 1.4 million in the
bank you can live a pretty comfortable life in europe _just on the
annual interest_ not even counting capital gains.
What is your opinion about the space program? When ever I debate
government intervetion, this is the gold standard to show and explain
that only the government could orchestrate such a resounding success.
Jackrabbits have rights too!
Jokes aside, this is why sweden will probably never build out its
hydro-power capabilities. If sweden wanted, it could generate 100% of
its power through hydro-power by exploiting rivers up north. but due to eco-fascist and sami people, this will be forever blocked.
Japan, at least in the latter part of the 20th century and China didIf I had a choice, I'd prefer japan over china.
not let that happen. What is good for Japan or what is good for China
is part of the equation.
Ahh... interesting. Well, 5 nm is better than nothing. But I guess withholding the 3 nm would still make Taiwan attractive and unique
enough to protect.
But as long as LLM:s continue to improve somewhat the boom will
continue.
I always feel slightly envious of people who work on hard material
projects! It seems like you need to be exceptionally smart and know so
much compared with working on an IT project where you just need a laptop
and "off you go".
I read an article about something from nothing, and one physicist (sadly don't remember the name) thought that since gravity is negative energy,
the positive and negative in our world cancels out, and thus should make
it theoretically possible for us to be something out of nothing.
I'm way, way too bad at physics to know if that even makes sense, but
maybe you can judge that better than I am able to?
That's good advice! Another line of thought that's quite similar that I always adhered to was that every employee is at heart an entrepreneur
and indpendent contractor. That mind set has been very helpful for me
when I was working regular IT jobs at global IT corporations.
True. It's a trap! I wonder how many realize it before and after? And
why they do it? Is it only the ones with a power trip that accept?
See "Godel/Escher/Bach" .....
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very
intelligent people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad
personal demons to fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but
not genius level, seem more balanced.
Musk's system MIGHT prove better ... LOW-altitude sats.
Hey, remember when you proved you were somebody by having like a
DOZEN (maxxed-out) credit cards in yer wallet - you could flash 'em
in front of yer friends, be a Big Man
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:22:49 +0200, D wrote:
1.4 million?! What kind of lifestyle are they counting on? And at what
retirement age? If you're not a financial moron, with 1.4 million in the
bank you can live a pretty comfortable life in europe _just on the
annual interest_ not even counting capital gains.
It has improved a bit but recently 'interest' was a joke in the US, less
than 1%.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:09:11 +0200, D wrote:
I read an article about something from nothing, and one physicist (sadly
don't remember the name) thought that since gravity is negative energy,
the positive and negative in our world cancels out, and thus should make
it theoretically possible for us to be something out of nothing.
I'm way, way too bad at physics to know if that even makes sense, but
maybe you can judge that better than I am able to?
Not really. I have enough problems with 'what was before the big bang?' I find that theory amusing. Einstein believed in a steady state universe and invented a Cosmological Constant when the math didn't come out quite
right. Lemaître questioned him and was told that he was a good
mathematician but a crappy physicist. Then Hubble's observations supported Lemaître and Einstein retracted. The punch line is Lemaître was a
Catholic priest.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:11:56 +0200, D wrote:
I always feel slightly envious of people who work on hard material
projects! It seems like you need to be exceptionally smart and know so
much compared with working on an IT project where you just need a laptop
and "off you go".
My brother was about 20 years older than I so it was a different world. By the time computers became a real factor he had risen past the working engineer stage and let the young guys do the grunt work. His wife had a PC that she used mainly to look up recipes and email the kids but he had no interest.
In his words rocket science really wasn't all that complicated and the
state of the art hadn't advanced too much.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:05:56 +0200, D wrote:
True. It's a trap! I wonder how many realize it before and after? And
why they do it? Is it only the ones with a power trip that accept?
I don't know how they roped Ratzinger in. He'd asked permission to get out
of the CDF and become a librarian but John Paul turned it down. From all reports he just wanted to go home to Bavaria and putter around.
Frances is a good example of professed humility being a cover for overwhelming ambition. He wants to make his mark even if it destroys the Church.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:27:22 +0200, D wrote:
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very
intelligent people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad
personal demons to fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but
not genius level, seem more balanced.
I was never impressed by the organization but afaik the only Mensa member
I ever met was at an AA meeting.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:04:12 +0200, D wrote:
That's good advice! Another line of thought that's quite similar that I
always adhered to was that every employee is at heart an entrepreneur
and indpendent contractor. That mind set has been very helpful for me
when I was working regular IT jobs at global IT corporations.
I was lucky in my present job. While there were contractual obligations
that had to be met I had the latitude to pursue skunk works projects. It
was a running joke that when I was asked to estimate the time for a new feature I'd probably already have done it and had the code squirreled away someplace. My only regret is the company didn't take some of the paths I wanted to explore.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:40:46 +0200, D wrote:
What is your opinion about the space program? When ever I debate
government intervetion, this is the gold standard to show and explain
that only the government could orchestrate such a resounding success.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Satellite_Act_of_1962
There was government regulation and some funding but COMSAT was a publicly traded company.
If anything government intervention has retarded the space program. It's
difficult to unravel government and private. For examle COMSAT's MARISAT geosynchronous birds were used by commercial shipping and the US Navy.
Over the decades there has been a mix with some of the private ventures outperforming NASA attempts. I don't know the exact mix but I believe Vandenberg AFB has more commercial launches than government these days.
It's favored for polar orbits.
Von Braun is arguably the father of NASA. He promoted his vision of space exploration and travel but as late as '54 was basically told to shut up
and keep working on ballistic missiles. Sputnik changed that. If you look
at the family tree of the Juno 1, it's grandfather was the Redstone
surface to surface nuclear ballistic missile and its father was the Jupiter-C. Of course they all derived from the V-2.
Jackrabbits have rights too!
So do snail darters :) Super-environmentalist Al Gore helped bring the Tellico Dam project to completion despite objections that it endangered
the darter, a very small fish. The project brought money to his state and created a nice lake for his cronies' summer camps. Fat hypocritical windbag...
Jokes aside, this is why sweden will probably never build out its
hydro-power capabilities. If sweden wanted, it could generate 100% of
its power through hydro-power by exploiting rivers up north. but due to
eco-fascist and sami people, this will be forever blocked.
The US has already built on most of the feasible dam sites. An ugly little fact is dams create settling ponds full of rotting vegetation and
carcasses that generate more methane than a world full of cows.
Japan, at least in the latter part of the 20th century and China didIf I had a choice, I'd prefer japan over china.
not let that happen. What is good for Japan or what is good for China
is part of the equation.
When China was still sleeping Japan was the bad guy. They were
periodically accused of dumping and were the target of tariffs to protect
the US motorcycle industry (Harley Davidson), I'd read an amusing description of trade negotiations. With each change of administration the
US would form a new team. The Japanese retained the same people. By the
time the US stopped chasing its tail four years would be up and another
crew of newbies would be sent in.
That's consistent with the US. People scoff at Stalin's five year plans;
the US is lucky if it has a five week plan.
Ahh... interesting. Well, 5 nm is better than nothing. But I guess
withholding the 3 nm would still make Taiwan attractive and unique
enough to protect.
That has always been the game. Traditionally RAM used the cutting edge technology. There wasn't much, if any, money in RAM but if you wanted to
be a player you had to keep up. Some companies looked at the bottom line
and deciding making 50 nm chips for the automotive industry was a better deal.
But as long as LLM:s continue to improve somewhat the boom will
continue.
I forget if it was Altman or one of the other players that said something better than GPT-4 is needed before AI can be profitable and he didn't see GPT-5 on the near horizon. Having slurped up everything on the net for training data they're now adding AI generated product. That ought to work
out well positive feedback and stability being what it is.
Ah, I have done the exact same thing from time to time! =) But I mean,
you have to! If not, you'll just be bored.
I'm too honest with myself because I know that part of my personality is
the belief that I am smarter than average, and it would be too hard a
blow not too pass the test, so I prefer to live with my unproven belief
that I am smarter than average. It's just way more comfortable that way.
Sigh... they just don't make them like JP2 any longer. =( But yes, I do
get the same vibes when I look at the current one.
heard the same thing about the copenhagen interpretation of quantum
physics, that it has some constants that "just work" and that the many
world interpretation does not have those constants, and since it is
"simpler" the MWI fans think it is right due to Occams razor.
I think, that if you don't even have a solid theory, just using Occams
razor is lazy argumentation and not at all convincing.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was thinking about conservative dividends which currently range between 2.5% to 4% if you stay with
"boring" companies. As much as humanly (and fiscally) possible I try to
avoid having to do with banks. In their modern form, they are basically
an arm of the government. =(
I always wonder if the rocket scientists weren't perhaps a product of
their nature after all? If I would have been born in the 30s or 40s
perhaps I would be a mechanical or electronics engineer ninja instead of
the light weight "IT-guy" of today?
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:21:15 +0200, D wrote:
heard the same thing about the copenhagen interpretation of quantum
physics, that it has some constants that "just work" and that the many
world interpretation does not have those constants, and since it is
"simpler" the MWI fans think it is right due to Occams razor.
I think, that if you don't even have a solid theory, just using Occams
razor is lazy argumentation and not at all convincing.
I can't judge the theories but the MWI explanation seems better suited to entertaining science fiction. Many have been uncomfortable with god
rolling the dice since Epicurus/Lucretius's explanation involving swerving atoms. Given infinite worlds the probability of any outcome is 1
someplace. It's the infinity that bothers me. The cat is dead in half the worlds and alive in the other half since each of those paths had to
subdivide to accommodate some other even, which in turn....
To put it vulgarly 'beats the shit out of me' is not an acceptable answer
to the human psyche so some explanation has to be put forward. Einstein really had a problem with that. Enough hidden variables and constants and quantum theory can be beaten back into line.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:16:46 +0200, D wrote:
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was thinking about conservative
dividends which currently range between 2.5% to 4% if you stay with
"boring" companies. As much as humanly (and fiscally) possible I try to
avoid having to do with banks. In their modern form, they are basically
an arm of the government. =(
I never did anything with the stock market. Foolish I know but I never had the interest, no pun intended.
I always think about the moon landing project, how much it cost, and how
much could have been achieved if the money was put to other use. I think
the fact that after the moon landings, there was long break until any
other moon landings happened, and that tells us something about how
early it was, and that it perhaps was too early.
Today I think you can compare the cost of NASA launches vs Spacex to see
the difference between government and private space. But the arguments
tends to go, look at all the spinoff technology from the moon landings,
the rest of the world should be eternally grateful and that shows how
well invested the money was. I'm not so sure, and it is basically
impossible to show what would have happened if that would not have
happened.
The US has already built on most of the feasible dam sites. An ugly
little fact is dams create settling ponds full of rotting vegetation
and carcasses that generate more methane than a world full of cows.
I would be very interested in a neutral cost/benefit calculation about
that.
I really enjoyed Philip K. Dicks The man in the high castle where the japanese where the bad guys! And I remember in the 80s cyberpunk books,
all the evil corporations where japanese.
In the US, to air my prejudice a bit here, people tend to act first and
then talk. Percy Barnevik, a legendary swedish CEO of 70s and 80s fame
who was working for many years in the US was asked about which model he thought was best, and his reply was that both have their advantages and disadvantages, and in his opinion in the end, they achieved pretty much
the same result in different ways.
Another fun anecdote he once told was that one of his favourite jokes
when he was working in the US was to walk around the office late at
night and approach the employees who were still there. He would ask
them, what are you doing here so late? And they'd say "I'm working hard"
and he would respond "Oh, so you mean you are so inefficient that you
have to work more than your 40 hours per week to get your job done?" and
that would end the phenomenon of people just putting in "face time".
Isn't GPT-5 scheduled to be released december this year? Don't remember,
but the bar is raised higher for every release, and if they don't reach
it, there will be disillusionment.
On 4/6/24 8:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:21:15 +0200, D wrote:
heard the same thing about the copenhagen interpretation of quantum
physics, that it has some constants that "just work" and that the many
world interpretation does not have those constants, and since it is
"simpler" the MWI fans think it is right due to Occams razor.
I think, that if you don't even have a solid theory, just using Occams
razor is lazy argumentation and not at all convincing.
I can't judge the theories but the MWI explanation seems better suited to
entertaining science fiction. Many have been uncomfortable with god
rolling the dice since Epicurus/Lucretius's explanation involving swerving >> atoms. Given infinite worlds the probability of any outcome is 1
someplace. It's the infinity that bothers me. The cat is dead in half the
worlds and alive in the other half since each of those paths had to
subdivide to accommodate some other even, which in turn....
To put it vulgarly 'beats the shit out of me' is not an acceptable answer
to the human psyche so some explanation has to be put forward. Einstein
really had a problem with that. Enough hidden variables and constants and
quantum theory can be beaten back into line.
As said somewhere, I am not a math whiz.
However the infinite multiverses/timelines thing just
has a certain STINK to it ... great to keep the plot
moving in cheap movies, but otherwise .......
I am gonna intuit that something like thermodynamics
is involved ... any extra timelines/multiverses will
trend towards the lowest energy state - rapidly
merging back into ONE timeline/universe or simply
dissipating.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:29:33 +0200, D wrote:
Ah, I have done the exact same thing from time to time! =) But I mean,
you have to! If not, you'll just be bored.
I've never done well with boredom. I had one job where I struggled to fill
my day. It was before the internet so I couldn't even watch cat videos. I lasted three months.
It was the only job where the vetting process included an interview with a shrink. He advised me that while he was going to give me a positive review
I would be bored and shouldn't take the offer. I should have listened.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:34:55 +0200, D wrote:
I'm too honest with myself because I know that part of my personality is
the belief that I am smarter than average, and it would be too hard a
blow not too pass the test, so I prefer to live with my unproven belief
that I am smarter than average. It's just way more comfortable that way.
I'm in the same boat. I never worked hard enough to be a GPA star but I
did well enough on the various tests along the way. The state had a scholarship exam and it was a surprise to me and everyone else when they announced over the morning PA session that I was the high scorer. The SATs and National Merit Scholarship exams proved it wasn't a fluke despite
having a lackluster record. My problem was I was either interested and did well in the course or wasn't and coasted through with minimal effort.
Mensa seems too much like blowing your own horn and I never saw a purpose other than sitting around congratulating each other.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:23:39 +0200, D wrote:
Sigh... they just don't make them like JP2 any longer. =( But yes, I do
get the same vibes when I look at the current one.
I don't think Francis was completely caught up in the liberation theology that was popular in South America but was influenced by it and seems to
favor some parts. When Ratzinger was head of the CDF he did his best to
stamp it out. Cockroaches are hard to kill.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:21:15 +0200, D wrote:
heard the same thing about the copenhagen interpretation of quantum
physics, that it has some constants that "just work" and that the many
world interpretation does not have those constants, and since it is
"simpler" the MWI fans think it is right due to Occams razor.
I think, that if you don't even have a solid theory, just using Occams
razor is lazy argumentation and not at all convincing.
I can't judge the theories but the MWI explanation seems better suited to entertaining science fiction. Many have been uncomfortable with god
rolling the dice since Epicurus/Lucretius's explanation involving swerving atoms. Given infinite worlds the probability of any outcome is 1
someplace. It's the infinity that bothers me. The cat is dead in half the worlds and alive in the other half since each of those paths had to
subdivide to accommodate some other even, which in turn....
To put it vulgarly 'beats the shit out of me' is not an acceptable answer
to the human psyche so some explanation has to be put forward. Einstein really had a problem with that. Enough hidden variables and constants and quantum theory can be beaten back into line.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:18:58 +0200, D wrote:
I always wonder if the rocket scientists weren't perhaps a product of
their nature after all? If I would have been born in the 30s or 40s
perhaps I would be a mechanical or electronics engineer ninja instead of
the light weight "IT-guy" of today?
There were a number of factors in my brother's case. He joined the USMC on December 8, 1941. He was 17 so he needed my mother to sign off. I don't
know if it was chance or aptitude but he wound up in the Marine Corps air wing in the South Pacific.
He survived and got a job sanding propellers and so forth at the airport. Then fate intervened again -- a woman. She explained how it was going to
go. High school equivalency, GED or whatever it was called back then, followed by college. Another aeronautical engineer was born.
https://www.spaceline.org/cape-canaveral-rocket-missile-program/bomarc-a/
That has a little more information on the Bomarc. I don't know how much it owed to the V-1 but it still was more of a stripped down airplane with a couple of ramjets strapped to it so the transition from something like the B-47 wasn't that great.
The V-2 family of sleeker rockets with only tail fins is still alive and well.
Rocket science in common usage includes aeronautical and astronautical engineering. I'd argue the actual rocket part falls into aeronautical engineering.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:16:46 +0200, D wrote:
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was thinking about conservative
dividends which currently range between 2.5% to 4% if you stay with
"boring" companies. As much as humanly (and fiscally) possible I try to
avoid having to do with banks. In their modern form, they are basically
an arm of the government. =(
I never did anything with the stock market. Foolish I know but I never had the interest, no pun intended.
On 4/6/24 9:37 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:16:46 +0200, D wrote:
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was thinking about conservative
dividends which currently range between 2.5% to 4% if you stay with
"boring" companies. As much as humanly (and fiscally) possible I try to
avoid having to do with banks. In their modern form, they are basically
an arm of the government. =(
I never did anything with the stock market. Foolish I know but I never had >> the interest, no pun intended.
The stock market is just fine ... pick some good stable
companies. When young, optimize for re-investment, buying
more shares. When old, switch to optimize dividends.
Never panic. If the market loses half its value this year
it will gain that back and more in the next year or two.
Never go for the "get rich quick" stocks either - you
almost NEVER will get rich. Yea, there have been some
spectacular success stories - but you can't KNOW which
few are gonna go that way.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:47:00 +0200, D wrote:
I always think about the moon landing project, how much it cost, and how
much could have been achieved if the money was put to other use. I think
the fact that after the moon landings, there was long break until any
other moon landings happened, and that tells us something about how
early it was, and that it perhaps was too early.
It was a propaganda move with little tangible benefits. Don't forget that
the first mission to literally plant the flag on the moon was the 1959
Soviet Luna 2. The first US hard landing was in '62. The Soviets had the first unmanned soft landing in '66 months before the first Surveyor soft landing. The Apollo 1 attempt in '67 was a disaster. Apollo 5 was unmanned since there was a lot of skepticism after 1 and people asking what exactly they were getting for the money. Apollo 7 was good for PR but Apollo 11
was essential for international and domestic cred. Had Luna 15 not crashed and had been able to bring back samples it would have had the same
scientific value but not the symbolic value.
After that the US Congress lost interest.
Today I think you can compare the cost of NASA launches vs Spacex to see
the difference between government and private space. But the arguments
tends to go, look at all the spinoff technology from the moon landings,
the rest of the world should be eternally grateful and that shows how
well invested the money was. I'm not so sure, and it is basically
impossible to show what would have happened if that would not have
happened.
That's the 64 dollar question. Freeze dried foods? They already existed
and would have been improved on anyway. The same for semiconductors, space blankets, and so forth. The space pen? Urban legend. Fisher developed it
on their own dime and sold it to the government later. Like the Soviets
the earlier US ventures found pencils worked just fine.
It could be said to be sort of a spinoff but the public got more direct
bang for the buck with the GPS program. The original motivation is if a submarine is going to launch a ballistic missile it would help to know exactly where it was. Until Clinton turned off Selective Availability in
2000 it was only semi-useful but here we are now. I had a GPS receiver
before 2000 and with an unpredictable 100 meter error it was good for
large scale navigation. I used to play around finding section markers, the corners of the 1 square mile sections used in the US. Find one and good
luck projecting a course to another corner and finding it. It didn't help
I was in the desert and the markers are plaques driven into the ground
rather than the tags nailed to trees where there are trees.
The US has already built on most of the feasible dam sites. An ugly
little fact is dams create settling ponds full of rotting vegetation
and carcasses that generate more methane than a world full of cows.
I would be very interested in a neutral cost/benefit calculation about
that.
There is an old US labor song, 'Which Side Are You On?' with the lyric
"They say in Harlan county
There are no neutrals there"
I really enjoyed Philip K. Dicks The man in the high castle where the
japanese where the bad guys! And I remember in the 80s cyberpunk books,
all the evil corporations where japanese.
Not quite as bad as some of the WWII productions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Dough_Boys
The Amazon production of 'The Man in the High Castle' wasn't bad. I need
to reread the book to compare the ending. It was a little strange in the
TV series.
In the US, to air my prejudice a bit here, people tend to act first and
then talk. Percy Barnevik, a legendary swedish CEO of 70s and 80s fame
who was working for many years in the US was asked about which model he
thought was best, and his reply was that both have their advantages and
disadvantages, and in his opinion in the end, they achieved pretty much
the same result in different ways.
That's an accurate assessment. In the US 'do something!' takes precedent
over 'examine the situation with the all the possible outcomes and do something intelligent.' Or maybe that is just me attempting to justify actions like invading Iraq or destabilizing Libya without dropping into conspiracy theories.
Another fun anecdote he once told was that one of his favourite jokes
when he was working in the US was to walk around the office late at
night and approach the employees who were still there. He would ask
them, what are you doing here so late? And they'd say "I'm working hard"
and he would respond "Oh, so you mean you are so inefficient that you
have to work more than your 40 hours per week to get your job done?" and
that would end the phenomenon of people just putting in "face time".
In some situations that would have gotten him a punch in the face. I've
been in crunches before a product release where the company had catered
meals brought in and twelve or more hour days were not uncommon, including
weekends. 'The Soul of a New Machine' is ancient history now but
describes one such effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine
In my experience what he found about motivation in technical people is accurate. The real reward is getting to work on the next project. Money is nice and all but if the challenge isn't there money isn't enough.
Isn't GPT-5 scheduled to be released december this year? Don't remember,
but the bar is raised higher for every release, and if they don't reach
it, there will be disillusionment.
That's the hype. Altman is playing it close to the vest.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/sam-altman- hints-at-the-future-of-ai-and-gpt-5-and-big-things-are-coming
One of the complaints when the board fired him (for about 2 days) was that
he wasn't forthcoming.
On the other hand, I've had one 10x and that 10x has fooled me into >continuing buying lottery tickets for a small amount of my total
portfolio. Without that 10x I would probably have stopped buying small >companies many years ago.
Oh yes... reminds me of when I Was living in a basement apartment in
Chicago. I had a few rough fights with cockroches in that apartment, but
in the end, I prevailed!
A very nice book! I've read it 2 times and really like it. Especially
since I worked at EMC which acquired data general. I thought I could
detect a hint of that book while I was working at EMC, but when they
merged (or were acquired) by Dell that culture pretty much disappeared
in sweden. It was a sales organization taking over a more technical organization.
This is one of my problems with my current company. The high season is between august and march, so april to july is pretty boring. I read, my
wife forces me to travel, I tinker, and I try to do some business
development but that doesn't fill enough of my time. On the other hand,
I try to tell myself that what I am experiencing is a luxury for most
people, so I'm trying to become better at it.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:08:09 +0200, D wrote:
A very nice book! I've read it 2 times and really like it. Especially
since I worked at EMC which acquired data general. I thought I could
detect a hint of that book while I was working at EMC, but when they
merged (or were acquired) by Dell that culture pretty much disappeared
in sweden. It was a sales organization taking over a more technical
organization.
It was an interesting era. I never worked on a DG machine, only DEC. At
least in the Boston area DEC gifted the colleges with equipment. It's a successful tactic that has been used by several companies. The graduates
go forth and influence their employers to buy what they are familiar with. Despite being a DEC spinoff DG had an uphill struggle in that area.
Haha, great minds thinks alike. I had the same trend in school as well. Interest = great grades, no interest = minimum effort.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:52:22 +0200, D wrote:
Oh yes... reminds me of when I Was living in a basement apartment in
Chicago. I had a few rough fights with cockroches in that apartment, but
in the end, I prevailed!
You're lucky. A friend bought a beautiful colonial era house in Portsmouth NH. Unknown to him it came with colonial era cockroaches. His wife
declared total war on them but it was a losing battle. The house went back
on the market.
I've only had to deal with them once despite renting some iffy apartments when I had a temporary contract out of town. However they get the original foothold their presence doesn't reflect on the housekeeping. They don't miraculously appear by spontaneous generation if you're slovenly nor do
they leave the premises if you're neat as a pin.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:51:08 +0200, D wrote:
This is one of my problems with my current company. The high season is
between august and march, so april to july is pretty boring. I read, my
wife forces me to travel, I tinker, and I try to do some business
development but that doesn't fill enough of my time. On the other hand,
I try to tell myself that what I am experiencing is a luxury for most
people, so I'm trying to become better at it.
As I wind down my involvement I have the same problem. I was quite happy
to work about 30 hours a week on my own schedule but as it approaches 10 hours I need to discipline myself better and define goals for my projects rather than haphazardly jumping from one to the other.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:47:00 +0200, D wrote:
I always think about the moon landing project, how much it cost, and how >>> much could have been achieved if the money was put to other use. I think >>> the fact that after the moon landings, there was long break until any
other moon landings happened, and that tells us something about how
early it was, and that it perhaps was too early.
It was a propaganda move with little tangible benefits. Don't forget that
the first mission to literally plant the flag on the moon was the 1959
Soviet Luna 2. The first US hard landing was in '62. The Soviets had the
first unmanned soft landing in '66 months before the first Surveyor soft
landing. The Apollo 1 attempt in '67 was a disaster. Apollo 5 was
unmanned
since there was a lot of skepticism after 1 and people asking what
exactly
they were getting for the money. Apollo 7 was good for PR but Apollo 11
was essential for international and domestic cred. Had Luna 15 not
crashed
and had been able to bring back samples it would have had the same
scientific value but not the symbolic value.
After that the US Congress lost interest.
Thank you, very interesting and way more detailed than I ever seen
before online.
Today I think you can compare the cost of NASA launches vs Spacex to see >>> the difference between government and private space. But the arguments
tends to go, look at all the spinoff technology from the moon landings,
the rest of the world should be eternally grateful and that shows how
well invested the money was. I'm not so sure, and it is basically
impossible to show what would have happened if that would not have
happened.
That's the 64 dollar question. Freeze dried foods? They already existed
and would have been improved on anyway. The same for semiconductors,
space
blankets, and so forth. The space pen? Urban legend. Fisher developed it
on their own dime and sold it to the government later. Like the Soviets
the earlier US ventures found pencils worked just fine.
Yes, that's the thing. Pro-government types chalk everything up to that
one project, and refuse to entertain even the possibility of anything
ever being done anyway or in another context.
It could be said to be sort of a spinoff but the public got more direct
bang for the buck with the GPS program. The original motivation is if a
submarine is going to launch a ballistic missile it would help to know
exactly where it was. Until Clinton turned off Selective Availability in
2000 it was only semi-useful but here we are now. I had a GPS receiver
before 2000 and with an unpredictable 100 meter error it was good for
large scale navigation. I used to play around finding section markers,
the
corners of the 1 square mile sections used in the US. Find one and good
luck projecting a course to another corner and finding it. It didn't help
I was in the desert and the markers are plaques driven into the ground
rather than the tags nailed to trees where there are trees.
The US has already built on most of the feasible dam sites. An ugly
little fact is dams create settling ponds full of rotting vegetation
and carcasses that generate more methane than a world full of cows.
I would be very interested in a neutral cost/benefit calculation about
that.
There is an old US labor song, 'Which Side Are You On?' with the lyric
"They say in Harlan county
There are no neutrals there"
I really enjoyed Philip K. Dicks The man in the high castle where the
japanese where the bad guys! And I remember in the 80s cyberpunk books,
all the evil corporations where japanese.
Not quite as bad as some of the WWII productions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Dough_Boys
The Amazon production of 'The Man in the High Castle' wasn't bad. I need
to reread the book to compare the ending. It was a little strange in the
TV series.
I saw the Amazon one many years ago, and I think it was ok, but not
great. Like you, I have to reread the book to see how it has aged.
In the US, to air my prejudice a bit here, people tend to act first and
then talk. Percy Barnevik, a legendary swedish CEO of 70s and 80s fame
who was working for many years in the US was asked about which model he
thought was best, and his reply was that both have their advantages and
disadvantages, and in his opinion in the end, they achieved pretty much
the same result in different ways.
That's an accurate assessment. In the US 'do something!' takes precedent
over 'examine the situation with the all the possible outcomes and do
something intelligent.' Or maybe that is just me attempting to justify
actions like invading Iraq or destabilizing Libya without dropping into
conspiracy theories.
Another fun anecdote he once told was that one of his favourite jokes
when he was working in the US was to walk around the office late at
night and approach the employees who were still there. He would ask
them, what are you doing here so late? And they'd say "I'm working hard" >>> and he would respond "Oh, so you mean you are so inefficient that you
have to work more than your 40 hours per week to get your job done?" and >>> that would end the phenomenon of people just putting in "face time".
In some situations that would have gotten him a punch in the face. I've
been in crunches before a product release where the company had catered
meals brought in and twelve or more hour days were not uncommon,
including
I think he probably has never met a technical guy in all his life, and probably was referring more to administrative staff, but who knows? ;)
weekends. 'The Soul of a New Machine' is ancient history now but
describes one such effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine
A very nice book! I've read it 2 times and really like it. Especially
since I worked at EMC which acquired data general. I thought I could
detect a hint of that book while I was working at EMC, but when they
merged (or were acquired) by Dell that culture pretty much disappeared
in sweden. It was a sales organization taking over a more technical organization.
In my experience what he found about motivation in technical people is
accurate. The real reward is getting to work on the next project.
Money is
nice and all but if the challenge isn't there money isn't enough.
Isn't GPT-5 scheduled to be released december this year? Don't remember, >>> but the bar is raised higher for every release, and if they don't reach
it, there will be disillusionment.
That's the hype. Altman is playing it close to the vest.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/sam-altman-
hints-at-the-future-of-ai-and-gpt-5-and-big-things-are-coming
One of the complaints when the board fired him (for about 2 days) was
that
he wasn't forthcoming.
Will be interesting to see. He'd better deliver or there will probably
be another round soap opera.
But how could they not get rid of them? In europe I can understand,
since every effective pesticide is outlawed here, but I remember in the
US, you could buy pesticides that were probably from the Vietnam era and could profitably be used in modern wars as well. How can they survive
that?
Bowman, I have noted some of your info postings and found many to be
somewhat factual. Your data on Apollo is bunk. Ask any of NAA 144
thousand engineers and techs that worked on Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo
for the correct data before you do a Rudy and BS the Denizens of inner
space of the Internet. NAA's archives probably can be found at Boeing.
NASA only have copes of everyone else's work all thr0ught the 1960's.
Usable freeze dried food was created as usable by a greasy little
Italian in New Jersey. Go back to smoking your dope until you actually
can produce usable historical data! No response required or answered on
this subject!
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/5/24 10:43 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be
twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world >>>>> manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words.
iirc I'd
come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was >>>> fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to
get to
Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) .
My favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval
stuff was quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and
theoretical physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find
that most engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic
I'm gonna agree with that general observation ...
Pure math/physics leads to many possible interpretations.
Sometimes they seem almost "mystical".
See "Godel/Escher/Bach" .....
However the hands-on engineers aren't so much down
with that crap.
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very
intelligent people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad
personal demons to fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but
not genius level, seem more balanced.
I always thought of it as genius level intelligence being kind of like a fighter jet. Enormously complex and very sensitive equipment, that can
easily misbehave if the conditions are not optimal.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 18:27:22 +0200, D wrote:
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very
intelligent people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad
personal demons to fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but
not genius level, seem more balanced.
I was never impressed by the organization but afaik the only Mensa member
I ever met was at an AA meeting.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:47:00 +0200, D wrote:
I always think about the moon landing project, how much it cost, and how >>> much could have been achieved if the money was put to other use. I think >>> the fact that after the moon landings, there was long break until any
other moon landings happened, and that tells us something about how
early it was, and that it perhaps was too early.
It was a propaganda move with little tangible benefits. Don't forget that
the first mission to literally plant the flag on the moon was the 1959
Soviet Luna 2. The first US hard landing was in '62. The Soviets had the
first unmanned soft landing in '66 months before the first Surveyor soft
landing. The Apollo 1 attempt in '67 was a disaster. Apollo 5 was
unmanned
since there was a lot of skepticism after 1 and people asking what
exactly
they were getting for the money. Apollo 7 was good for PR but Apollo 11
was essential for international and domestic cred. Had Luna 15 not
crashed
and had been able to bring back samples it would have had the same
scientific value but not the symbolic value.
After that the US Congress lost interest.
Thank you, very interesting and way more detailed than I ever seen
before online.
Today I think you can compare the cost of NASA launches vs Spacex to see >>> the difference between government and private space. But the arguments
tends to go, look at all the spinoff technology from the moon landings,
the rest of the world should be eternally grateful and that shows how
well invested the money was. I'm not so sure, and it is basically
impossible to show what would have happened if that would not have
happened.
That's the 64 dollar question. Freeze dried foods? They already existed
and would have been improved on anyway. The same for semiconductors,
space
blankets, and so forth. The space pen? Urban legend. Fisher developed it
on their own dime and sold it to the government later. Like the Soviets
the earlier US ventures found pencils worked just fine.
Yes, that's the thing. Pro-government types chalk everything up to that
one project, and refuse to entertain even the possibility of anything
ever being done anyway or in another context.
It could be said to be sort of a spinoff but the public got more direct
bang for the buck with the GPS program. The original motivation is if a
submarine is going to launch a ballistic missile it would help to know
exactly where it was. Until Clinton turned off Selective Availability in
2000 it was only semi-useful but here we are now. I had a GPS receiver
before 2000 and with an unpredictable 100 meter error it was good for
large scale navigation. I used to play around finding section markers,
the
corners of the 1 square mile sections used in the US. Find one and good
luck projecting a course to another corner and finding it. It didn't help
I was in the desert and the markers are plaques driven into the ground
rather than the tags nailed to trees where there are trees.
The US has already built on most of the feasible dam sites. An ugly
little fact is dams create settling ponds full of rotting vegetation
and carcasses that generate more methane than a world full of cows.
I would be very interested in a neutral cost/benefit calculation about
that.
There is an old US labor song, 'Which Side Are You On?' with the lyric
"They say in Harlan county
There are no neutrals there"
I really enjoyed Philip K. Dicks The man in the high castle where the
japanese where the bad guys! And I remember in the 80s cyberpunk books,
all the evil corporations where japanese.
Not quite as bad as some of the WWII productions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Dough_Boys
The Amazon production of 'The Man in the High Castle' wasn't bad. I need
to reread the book to compare the ending. It was a little strange in the
TV series.
I saw the Amazon one many years ago, and I think it was ok, but not
great. Like you, I have to reread the book to see how it has aged.
In the US, to air my prejudice a bit here, people tend to act first and
then talk. Percy Barnevik, a legendary swedish CEO of 70s and 80s fame
who was working for many years in the US was asked about which model he
thought was best, and his reply was that both have their advantages and
disadvantages, and in his opinion in the end, they achieved pretty much
the same result in different ways.
That's an accurate assessment. In the US 'do something!' takes precedent
over 'examine the situation with the all the possible outcomes and do
something intelligent.' Or maybe that is just me attempting to justify
actions like invading Iraq or destabilizing Libya without dropping into
conspiracy theories.
Another fun anecdote he once told was that one of his favourite jokes
when he was working in the US was to walk around the office late at
night and approach the employees who were still there. He would ask
them, what are you doing here so late? And they'd say "I'm working hard" >>> and he would respond "Oh, so you mean you are so inefficient that you
have to work more than your 40 hours per week to get your job done?" and >>> that would end the phenomenon of people just putting in "face time".
In some situations that would have gotten him a punch in the face. I've
been in crunches before a product release where the company had catered
meals brought in and twelve or more hour days were not uncommon,
including
I think he probably has never met a technical guy in all his life, and probably was referring more to administrative staff, but who knows? ;)
weekends. 'The Soul of a New Machine' is ancient history now but
describes one such effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine
A very nice book! I've read it 2 times and really like it. Especially
since I worked at EMC which acquired data general. I thought I could
detect a hint of that book while I was working at EMC, but when they
merged (or were acquired) by Dell that culture pretty much disappeared
in sweden. It was a sales organization taking over a more technical organization.
In my experience what he found about motivation in technical people is
accurate. The real reward is getting to work on the next project.
Money is
nice and all but if the challenge isn't there money isn't enough.
Isn't GPT-5 scheduled to be released december this year? Don't remember, >>> but the bar is raised higher for every release, and if they don't reach
it, there will be disillusionment.
That's the hype. Altman is playing it close to the vest.
https://www.techradar.com/computing/artificial-intelligence/sam-altman-
hints-at-the-future-of-ai-and-gpt-5-and-big-things-are-coming
One of the complaints when the board fired him (for about 2 days) was
that
he wasn't forthcoming.
Will be interesting to see. He'd better deliver or there will probably
be another round soap opera.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:11:46 -0500, Rudy Crayola wrote:
Bowman, I have noted some of your info postings and found many to be
somewhat factual. Your data on Apollo is bunk. Ask any of NAA 144
thousand engineers and techs that worked on Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo
for the correct data before you do a Rudy and BS the Denizens of inner
space of the Internet. NAA's archives probably can be found at Boeing.
NASA only have copes of everyone else's work all thr0ught the 1960's.
Usable freeze dried food was created as usable by a greasy little
Italian in New Jersey. Go back to smoking your dope until you actually
can produce usable historical data! No response required or answered on
this subject!
For the record while you criticize my post you do not provide any
information on the correct data.
My old man WORKED at KSC, I lived close enough to SEE all those
launches - if you went up to Cocoa/Merritt-Island you could fuckin'
FEEL them ... like the sky tearing apart.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:19:53 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
My old man WORKED at KSC, I lived close enough to SEE all those
launches - if you went up to Cocoa/Merritt-Island you could fuckin'
FEEL them ... like the sky tearing apart.
On time when I was visiting my brother at Lompoc there was a launch
scheduled at 5 AM or some other ungodly hour. I wanted to see it and asked him to wake me up. "No problem -- you'll be awake". That one was scrubbed but I was there for another launch later in the day and saw what he meant.
The most impressive one I've seen was sort of a fluke. I was camped out in the forest near Carson City NV, sitting on the tailgate of the pickup, and watching the sunset when a little after dusk I thought WWIII was starting.
It was a test Trident launch but the Navy probably didn't expect the
entire west coast to notice.
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:10:36 +0200) it happened D <nospam@example.net> wrote in <ee52c932-7727-a02e-0a1f-b295667edb4b@example.net>:
On the other hand, I've had one 10x and that 10x has fooled me into
continuing buying lottery tickets for a small amount of my total
portfolio. Without that 10x I would probably have stopped buying small
companies many years ago.
I am still positive on playing the lottery.
Used last big win for a trip to to 'merrica, Miami,
bought a new camera too from it.
There is a way..
Nothing you can know that is not known (Beatles song lyrics).
I hardly play lottery at all.. Only when I need it....
or thinks I know it.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:18:58 +0200, D wrote:
I always wonder if the rocket scientists weren't perhaps a product of
their nature after all? If I would have been born in the 30s or 40s
perhaps I would be a mechanical or electronics engineer ninja instead of >>> the light weight "IT-guy" of today?
There were a number of factors in my brother's case. He joined the
USMC on
December 8, 1941. He was 17 so he needed my mother to sign off. I don't
know if it was chance or aptitude but he wound up in the Marine Corps air
wing in the South Pacific.
He survived and got a job sanding propellers and so forth at the airport.
Then fate intervened again -- a woman. She explained how it was going to
Yes, as so often happens! My father was a marijuana smoking communist
student until he met my mother. Couple of decades later he was the
regional manager of an airline company. Just see what a woman can do if
she puts her mind to it! ;)
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:51:08 +0200, D wrote:
This is one of my problems with my current company. The high season is
between august and march, so april to july is pretty boring. I read, my
wife forces me to travel, I tinker, and I try to do some business
development but that doesn't fill enough of my time. On the other hand,
I try to tell myself that what I am experiencing is a luxury for most
people, so I'm trying to become better at it.
As I wind down my involvement I have the same problem. I was quite happy
to work about 30 hours a week on my own schedule but as it approaches 10
hours I need to discipline myself better and define goals for my projects
rather than haphazardly jumping from one to the other.
I think you make a great point here. I need to pursue more ambitious
projects instead of just mindlessly tinkering with small integrations,
email and linux projects on my laptop.
I've been thinking about building a real auto-crossbow powered by the
motor from a cordless impact wrench or perhaps pursuing a Ph.D. in
Philosophy or maybe writing a book or two.
There are ideas, I probably just need to select one and go for it. I
guess another option would be to get going with my house project. That
should keep me busy. But I think I'm too perfectionist when it comes to
the land plot and location for that to happen anytime soon. But suddenly
the plot will appear I'm sure.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:25:51 +0200, D wrote:
But how could they not get rid of them? In europe I can understand,
since every effective pesticide is outlawed here, but I remember in the
US, you could buy pesticides that were probably from the Vietnam era and
could profitably be used in modern wars as well. How can they survive
that?
iirc they even brought in professional exterminators for the sort of operation where you spend a few days in a hotel while the company fogs the entire house.
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:49:30 +0200, D wrote:
Haha, great minds thinks alike. I had the same trend in school as well.
Interest = great grades, no interest = minimum effort.
What passes for education can be deadening. I never liked history classes with their emphasis on memorizing names and dates. Later on in life I
found it fascinating as I could step back and look for patterns rather
than focusing on a narrow, linear timeline. That approach works for
current events also rather than the 'Look! A squirrel!' approach favored
by the media. The problem there is after they move on to the next squirrel there's no followup.
On 4/6/24 12:27 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/5/24 10:43 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be >>>>>> twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world >>>>>> manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words. iirc >>>>> I'd
come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was >>>>> fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to get >>>>> to
Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) . My >>>> favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval stuff was >>>> quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and theoretical >>>> physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find that most
engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic
I'm gonna agree with that general observation ...
Pure math/physics leads to many possible interpretations.
Sometimes they seem almost "mystical".
See "Godel/Escher/Bach" .....
However the hands-on engineers aren't so much down
with that crap.
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very intelligent
people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad personal demons to
fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but not genius level, seem >> more balanced.
I suspect that IQ 140 is about as high as people get
while still being "normal" otherwise. Higher scores
require some kind of brain mis-wiring, autism spectrum
or something similar, that sacrifices some things for
others. I have *never* met a 150+ person who wasn't
fucked-up in numerous dimensions. Probably all "Young
Sheldon"s or worse.
Genetic engineering of intelligence is probably a
SUPER-complicated thing too ... SO many little things
involved, SO little solid knowledge of how it all
comes together. The only possible "quick fix" I can
think of is a treatment that enhances short-term
memory - that fast "working area" cache in
consciousness. A little more, lasts a little longer ...
ought to be worth maybe ten points.
I always thought of it as genius level intelligence being kind of like a
fighter jet. Enormously complex and very sensitive equipment, that can
easily misbehave if the conditions are not optimal.
Getting all those nerves to WORK TOGETHER to create
what we call "intelligence" AND "stability" ...
Darwin had about 4 BILLION years and THIS is as good
as we've got so far. HOW much spent on psychiatric
drugs every year ? :-)
Hey, most optimistic projections I've seen ... in 2 GY
the Earth is another Venus - roasting. At about 4 GY
the sun goes red giant AND the Andromeda galaxy hits
ours, sending white-hot waves of impringing gas/dust
clouds everywhere while tearing both galaxies to
shreds (seen computer sims of that - kind of a double
impact actually). If there's anything intelligent in
this, or the Andromeda, galaxy they'll start with their
escape plans NOW. Don't want to be ANYWHERE in this
neighborhood .......
Time's almost up.
On 4/7/24 6:57 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 22:18:58 +0200, D wrote:
I always wonder if the rocket scientists weren't perhaps a product of
their nature after all? If I would have been born in the 30s or 40s
perhaps I would be a mechanical or electronics engineer ninja instead of >>>> the light weight "IT-guy" of today?
There were a number of factors in my brother's case. He joined the USMC on >>> December 8, 1941. He was 17 so he needed my mother to sign off. I don't
know if it was chance or aptitude but he wound up in the Marine Corps air >>> wing in the South Pacific.
He survived and got a job sanding propellers and so forth at the airport. >>> Then fate intervened again -- a woman. She explained how it was going to
Yes, as so often happens! My father was a marijuana smoking communist
student until he met my mother. Couple of decades later he was the regional >> manager of an airline company. Just see what a woman can do if she puts her >> mind to it! ;)
And everyone wonders why they're condemned to Burkha's in
so much of the world :-)
But it WAS "a SHOW" at the higher levels. Didn't REALLY
matter who got probes/people to the moon first ... it'd
have been fine if Switzerland did it in 2010 ... the
West/USA ... it was all part of that "conquering hero"
psychology left over from WW2.
STILL some of that KSC electrical stuff (c1970) in my
storage shed ... dunno WHAT to do with all that shit ...
my Executors get the horrible horrible horrible job
of sorting-out four+ generations worth of SHIT,
Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! :-)
On 4/7/24 2:32 PM, D wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:51:08 +0200, D wrote:
This is one of my problems with my current company. The high season is >>>> between august and march, so april to july is pretty boring. I read, my >>>> wife forces me to travel, I tinker, and I try to do some business
development but that doesn't fill enough of my time. On the other hand, >>>> I try to tell myself that what I am experiencing is a luxury for most
people, so I'm trying to become better at it.
As I wind down my involvement I have the same problem. I was quite happy >>> to work about 30 hours a week on my own schedule but as it approaches 10 >>> hours I need to discipline myself better and define goals for my projects >>> rather than haphazardly jumping from one to the other.
I think you make a great point here. I need to pursue more ambitious
projects instead of just mindlessly tinkering with small integrations,
email and linux projects on my laptop.
I've been thinking about building a real auto-crossbow powered by the motor >> from a cordless impact wrench or perhaps pursuing a Ph.D. in Philosophy or >> maybe writing a book or two.
There are ideas, I probably just need to select one and go for it. I guess >> another option would be to get going with my house project. That should
keep me busy. But I think I'm too perfectionist when it comes to the land
plot and location for that to happen anytime soon. But suddenly the plot
will appear I'm sure.
Ummmmm ... why build an "auto-crossbow" when you can
easily buy an AR-15 or AK-S - fully legal or whatever ???
Also, WAY too many "philosophy" books ... it's all
Mental MUSH at this point ........
Invest well, widely, and Don't Worry - Be Happy.
"Chat" is now at v4.5 ... v5.0 is gonna be IMPRESSIVE - and
will pass the old Turning Test very easily. It'll seem like
some random guy you talk to in a Waffle House at 3AM. There
ARE an number of competitors too (as soon as they Un-Woke them
so we won't see "black" NAZI storm-troopers ....) There are
also NN/non-LLM approaches.
Found a vid last week where "Chat" was given a "BODY" ...
a robot top-end. It was asked about things, but also
asked to DO some things and in the right order given
the context. It did fairly WELL - and could likely
replace a LOT of assembly-line workers AS IS. As v5.0+
come along ... well ...........
When do they begin cutting back on the Soylent Green
rations for all those obsolete humans ???
No, I'm NOT trying to be funny - there will be "efficiency
studies" and GUESS what they'll say.
My guess, only maybe 250 million humans will be useful
for various things from about 2075 to maybe 2175. The
current pop is about 8 BILLION. A total DRAG on what
will be NEEDED. See how it works out ???
AFTER 2175 ...... The Elite had BETTER super-secure
their positions well before somehow or find a VERY
distant planet to lord over ........
This is what We Made, more or less what We Wanted,
visualized. Pre-nightmares started in the 1800s
and gained momentum/credibility ever since.
I do not see the "AI"s as being deliberately hostile -
just "efficient", "sensible", "goal-oriented". That
is quite BAD for us organics. I've seen NO real sci
that would reliably bring our IQs and such up to
levels the "AI"s would respect.
Oh well, I'll be dead by then ... but I hate to see
it all as somehow "wasted" ... 300,000 years of human
intellectual/cultural/artistic effort/nuance - SPLAT !
Gone with the trilobites .......
On Mon, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:25:51 +0200, D wrote:Wow, perhaps they will inherit the earth after all.
But how could they not get rid of them? In europe I can understand,
since every effective pesticide is outlawed here, but I remember in
the US, you could buy pesticides that were probably from the Vietnam
era and could profitably be used in modern wars as well. How can they
survive that?
iirc they even brought in professional exterminators for the sort of
operation where you spend a few days in a hotel while the company fogs
the entire house.
I think it would probably be more
efficient and cheaper too, to just subject young chinese to IQ tests,
and herd them all into some kind of super school to develop the
intelligence that is already there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization
But since it is so heavy, and since I had such a bad experience with
history I've hesitated to buy it in the US and pay a fortune only for
the freight.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:14:53 +0200, D wrote:
I think it would probably be more
efficient and cheaper too, to just subject young chinese to IQ tests,
and herd them all into some kind of super school to develop the
intelligence that is already there.
The US tried to do that with the AP program but lately the DEI model is to dumb down the curriculum to the lowest common denominator.
When I was in high school there was sort of a proto-AP called Enriched Curriculum. Out of an total attendance of 2000 about 30 of us traveled together, taking the same classes, supposedly with the better teachers and
an expanded curriculum.
In college a group of us had to report a week early for the freshman year
and were subjected to a battery of tests. It was a study to try to predict the profile that led to the most successful scientists or engineers. I
don't know what conclusions were reached or if there was a practical application.
Cities like New York often had private high schools that were prestigious. Erasmus Hall was one in my day and the college valedictorian had went
there. She also attempted suicide in the dorms after graduation, saying something about intelligence. I didn't know her well but the rumor was she was under immense pressure from her family.
Sadly, changing demographics meant by the '80s Erasmus Hall was 85% black
and Hispanic and was closed in the '90s for not being able to make over
the notoriously low bar of NYC schools performance.
Maybe the Chinese can make it work. They have more commitment than the US. It's pitiful watching Yellen lecture them about their success after the US ceded its manufacturing base to them in the interest of 'free trade'.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:05:04 +0200, D wrote:
On Mon, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 20:25:51 +0200, D wrote:Wow, perhaps they will inherit the earth after all.
But how could they not get rid of them? In europe I can understand,
since every effective pesticide is outlawed here, but I remember in
the US, you could buy pesticides that were probably from the Vietnam
era and could profitably be used in modern wars as well. How can they
survive that?
iirc they even brought in professional exterminators for the sort of
operation where you spend a few days in a hotel while the company fogs
the entire house.
Natural selection. If you're going for genocide you'd better be able to
kill them all. Instead we have antibiotic resistant bacteria, herbicide resistant weeds, and very robust cockroaches.
Today I think schools in sweden are a huge mess. There's something
called PISA where many countries measure their results and I think
sweden is just dropping and dropping. Part of it is a massive influx of immigrants who do not know swedish so they are dragging down the
average, but I also think woke:ism and the idea that children may never
be graded or be given orders also serves to cripple them for life.
On 4/6/24 12:27 PM, D wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/5/24 10:43 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 04:11:08 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
Given a chance, humans can go WAY WAY off reality -
kinda like a bunch of pot-heads trying to talk
"philosophy"/meta-reality. Words are an INVENTION, and can be >>>>>> twisted/abused to create Great Mysteries that have no real-world >>>>>> manifestation.
When I first started reading philosophy I was confused by 'Platonic
realism' where 'reality' was the Forms he'd invented with words.
iirc I'd
come across Durant's 'The Story of Philosophy' in grade school and was >>>>> fascinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Philosophy
Since it was more or less in chronological order it took a while to
get to
Nietzsche's view that it was all downhill from Plato.
In case you want to dig deep, have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_History_of_Philosophy_(Copleston) .
My favourite history of philosophy although most of the medieval
stuff was quite boring for me. I enjoyed the greeks and 1600+.
It's also interesting to note that many mathematicians and
theoretical physicists tend to be platonists for some reason. I find
that most engineers seem to be materialists/physicalists or agnostic
I'm gonna agree with that general observation ...
Pure math/physics leads to many possible interpretations.
Sometimes they seem almost "mystical".
See "Godel/Escher/Bach" .....
However the hands-on engineers aren't so much down
with that crap.
Another subjective observation I've made in life is that very
intelligent people, more often than not, seem to have pretty bad
personal demons to fight. While "only" above average intelligence, but
not genius level, seem more balanced.
I suspect that IQ 140 is about as high as people get
while still being "normal" otherwise. Higher scores
require some kind of brain mis-wiring, autism spectrum
or something similar, that sacrifices some things for
others. I have *never* met a 150+ person who wasn't
fucked-up in numerous dimensions. Probably all "Young
Sheldon"s or worse.
Genetic engineering of intelligence is probably a
SUPER-complicated thing too ... SO many little things
involved, SO little solid knowledge of how it all
comes together. The only possible "quick fix" I can
think of is a treatment that enhances short-term
memory - that fast "working area" cache in
consciousness. A little more, lasts a little longer ...
ought to be worth maybe ten points.
I always thought of it as genius level intelligence being kind of like
a fighter jet. Enormously complex and very sensitive equipment, that
can easily misbehave if the conditions are not optimal.
Getting all those nerves to WORK TOGETHER to create
what we call "intelligence" AND "stability" ...
Darwin had about 4 BILLION years and THIS is as good
as we've got so far. HOW much spent on psychiatric
drugs every year ? :-)
Hey, most optimistic projections I've seen ... in 2 GY
the Earth is another Venus - roasting. At about 4 GY
the sun goes red giant AND the Andromeda galaxy hits
ours, sending white-hot waves of impringing gas/dust
clouds everywhere while tearing both galaxies to
shreds (seen computer sims of that - kind of a double
impact actually). If there's anything intelligent in
this, or the Andromeda, galaxy they'll start with their
escape plans NOW. Don't want to be ANYWHERE in this
neighborhood .......
Time's almost up.
On 4/7/24 7:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 14:11:46 -0500, Rudy Crayola wrote:
Bowman, I have noted some of your info postings and found many to be
somewhat factual. Your data on Apollo is bunk. Ask any of NAA 144
thousand engineers and techs that worked on Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo
for the correct data before you do a Rudy and BS the Denizens of inner
space of the Internet. NAA's archives probably can be found at Boeing.
NASA only have copes of everyone else's work all thr0ught the 1960's.
Usable freeze dried food was created as usable by a greasy little
Italian in New Jersey. Go back to smoking your dope until you actually
can produce usable historical data! No response required or answered on
this subject!
For the record while you criticize my post you do not provide any
information on the correct data.
Hey ... the BULLSHIT (govt/corporate/press propaganda picture)
that developed around the US space program - just totally
breath-taking in scope.
It was INTENDED as a great spectacle/imperative for (good-ish)
political reasons (and corp/lobbying $$$).
Russian dictators could just DICTATE ... for 'western'
interests though, it had to be "SOLD" - a full-on
campaign.
So, please, SEE it as what it all WAS and do not feud
with each other.
My old man WORKED at KSC, I lived close enough to SEE
all those launches - if you went up to Cocoa/Merritt-Island
you could fuckin' FEEL them ... like the sky tearing apart.
Some really cool tech there - even saw one of those old
"disk drives" (disks in big plastic case) where all the
heads moved independently - prob a one-off at the time
to enhance multi-user needs.
But it WAS "a SHOW" at the higher levels. Didn't REALLY
matter who got probes/people to the moon first ... it'd
have been fine if Switzerland did it in 2010 ... the
West/USA ... it was all part of that "conquering hero"
psychology left over from WW2.
STILL some of that KSC electrical stuff (c1970) in my
storage shed ... dunno WHAT to do with all that shit ...
my Executors get the horrible horrible horrible job
of sorting-out four+ generations worth of SHIT,
Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! :-)
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:49:30 +0200, D wrote:
Haha, great minds thinks alike. I had the same trend in school as well. >>> Interest = great grades, no interest = minimum effort.
What passes for education can be deadening. I never liked history classes
with their emphasis on memorizing names and dates. Later on in life I
Oh my god, those classes were pure torture. And to make it even worse, I couldn't even escape into my own mind, because the teacher had a sixth
sense for detecting when someone would space out, so about 8-9 times in class, she would always rudely awake me from my day dreaming so I had to
sit listening to the woman drone on and on about years and kings and
queens, and every time I thought of something interesting to escape she
would yell out "hey you, get back to the class room". I still shudder
when I think about it!
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:03:13 +0200, D wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Civilization
But since it is so heavy, and since I had such a bad experience with
history I've hesitated to buy it in the US and pay a fortune only for
the freight.
If there is something that should be available as an ebook...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_post-classical_history
At least on my machine the rendering is very poor but I came across a book that had the same format. I've never been able to find it again although
I'm sure it or others exist. It was sort of an epiphany to look across the table and see what the Chinese were up to while Arminius was slaughtering Roman legions. Most formal history classes I've snoozed through were a
linear treatment of Europe, North America, or some other geographic area.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 23:08:53 +0200, D wrote:
Today I think schools in sweden are a huge mess. There's something
called PISA where many countries measure their results and I think
sweden is just dropping and dropping. Part of it is a massive influx of
immigrants who do not know swedish so they are dragging down the
average, but I also think woke:ism and the idea that children may never
be graded or be given orders also serves to cripple them for life.
Bush II pushed through the No Child Left Behind Act that included national standardized testing to determine how well a school was doing with
penalties for under-performance.
Our superintendent of public instruction at the time fought against it an
the state never got on board before the act was watered down. The
punchline is she is a Democrat and a Indian grew up on a reservation, and taught on reservations. She knew that any school with a significant number
of Indian students would never make the cut. The culture to support
education isn't there. She made it out but realized it was an unreasonable expectation for most.
On 4/8/24 4:03 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:49:30 +0200, D wrote:
Haha, great minds thinks alike. I had the same trend in school as well. >>>> Interest = great grades, no interest = minimum effort.
What passes for education can be deadening. I never liked history classes >>> with their emphasis on memorizing names and dates. Later on in life I
Oh my god, those classes were pure torture. And to make it even worse, I
couldn't even escape into my own mind, because the teacher had a sixth
sense for detecting when someone would space out, so about 8-9 times in
class, she would always rudely awake me from my day dreaming so I had to
sit listening to the woman drone on and on about years and kings and
queens, and every time I thought of something interesting to escape she
would yell out "hey you, get back to the class room". I still shudder when >> I think about it!
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry :-)
However GOOD teachers CAN bring it to life, supply lots of
juicy details, hidden motives, naughty bits, context, put it
into the larger sociopolitical framework.
Alas VERY few such teachers in public schools. Colleges yes.
Public school teachers are charged with making sure the
kiddies can remember a FEW people, a FEW dates, so they
can fill in the right bubble on some standard test. That
is what justifies their jobs. Dismal, but true.
On 4/7/24 7:37 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:10:36 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<ee52c932-7727-a02e-0a1f-b295667edb4b@example.net>:
On the other hand, I've had one 10x and that 10x has fooled me into
continuing buying lottery tickets for a small amount of my total
portfolio. Without that 10x I would probably have stopped buying small
companies many years ago.
I am still positive on playing the lottery.
Used last big win for a trip to to 'merrica, Miami,
bought a new camera too from it.
There is a way..
Nothing you can know that is not known (Beatles song lyrics).
I hardly play lottery at all.. Only when I need it....
or thinks I know it.
Lottery ... if you DON'T PLAY then you CAN'T WIN ...
NO point is spending a LOT - ONE ticket gives you
your Big Chance ... extras only add a microscopic
bit to yer chances.
I've heard of rubes taking out LOANS so they can
buy thousands of lottery tickets. Gambling Fever.
So far, heard of exactly NONE of them winning dick.
Oh, the OTHER issue - WHAT IF YOU *WIN* ??? Esp in
the USA it means you have to HIDE - hire a few BIG
body-guards, move to a gated community with ARMED
guards, figure out how to split-up the money ....
a species of HELL ......
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/8/24 4:03 AM, D wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:49:30 +0200, D wrote:
Haha, great minds thinks alike. I had the same trend in school as
well.
Interest = great grades, no interest = minimum effort.
What passes for education can be deadening. I never liked history
classes
with their emphasis on memorizing names and dates. Later on in life I
Oh my god, those classes were pure torture. And to make it even
worse, I couldn't even escape into my own mind, because the teacher
had a sixth sense for detecting when someone would space out, so
about 8-9 times in class, she would always rudely awake me from my
day dreaming so I had to sit listening to the woman drone on and on
about years and kings and queens, and every time I thought of
something interesting to escape she would yell out "hey you, get back
to the class room". I still shudder when I think about it!
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry :-)
Yes, but when the names and dates start to approach 100% it just becomes
a memorizing contest which is completely uninteresting to me. In school
I always had a very utilitarian attitude to my courses as in: 1. am I interested? And 2. will this help me achieve my goals in any way? And if
the answers was no and no, minimum effort was what it was. ;)
However GOOD teachers CAN bring it to life, supply lots of
juicy details, hidden motives, naughty bits, context, put it
into the larger sociopolitical framework.
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being
able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth. ;)
Alas VERY few such teachers in public schools. Colleges yes.
Public school teachers are charged with making sure the
kiddies can remember a FEW people, a FEW dates, so they
can fill in the right bubble on some standard test. That
is what justifies their jobs. Dismal, but true.
Yes, that is true.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/what-i-learned-when-i-replaced-my- >> cheap-pi-5-pc-with-a-no-name-amazon-mini-desktop/
He picked the Bosgame and GMKTec offerings and talks about the subtle
differences.
That niche has really exploded. When I bought my Beelink the choice was an >> Intel i5 something or the AMD Ryzen 7. I don't think there were any of the >> really cheap variants.
A lot of them now ... from Pi-level power on up to i7
You can GET incredible performance from dinky little boards
these days. Desktops - and all the PCI/etc plugs - DO still
have value however. It all depends on your specific need.
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being
able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth.
On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:31:17 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in <G2adne53I8-rEo77nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/7/24 7:37 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:10:36 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<ee52c932-7727-a02e-0a1f-b295667edb4b@example.net>:
On the other hand, I've had one 10x and that 10x has fooled me into
continuing buying lottery tickets for a small amount of my total
portfolio. Without that 10x I would probably have stopped buying small >>>> companies many years ago.
I am still positive on playing the lottery.
Used last big win for a trip to to 'merrica, Miami,
bought a new camera too from it.
There is a way..
Nothing you can know that is not known (Beatles song lyrics).
I hardly play lottery at all.. Only when I need it....
or thinks I know it.
Lottery ... if you DON'T PLAY then you CAN'T WIN ...
NO point is spending a LOT - ONE ticket gives you
your Big Chance ... extras only add a microscopic
bit to yer chances.
I've heard of rubes taking out LOANS so they can
buy thousands of lottery tickets. Gambling Fever.
So far, heard of exactly NONE of them winning dick.
Oh, the OTHER issue - WHAT IF YOU *WIN* ??? Esp in
the USA it means you have to HIDE - hire a few BIG
body-guards, move to a gated community with ARMED
guards, figure out how to split-up the money ....
a species of HELL ......
Last time I played the lotto went to the little shop
that my feeling told me over and over again to go there,
was an other guy in front of me, babbling about lucky numbers..
Seller asked me 2 digits (rest from computer)
I thought of 2 and won my lottery ticked price back..
Free go.
Few month ago same other shop,
this time I let the seller fill in the numbers
when she asked me I did say 'no idea, you fill it in'
same thing, free ticket..
Was some sort of relation with that person, that is why I said 'you get the numbers'.
Used that last free one bought a new one and lost with an other seller same procedure.
Have not even cashed in the first one and played with that money again..
Not sure if that ticket it is still valid..
Long ago with some guru, I was walking past the hotel where he was staying for a program over here
Now wanted to go an look at the hotel to see him, I was told he did not want people hanging around there for that..
So I figured, well if he REALLY wants to see me lemme buy a ticket in the lottery (not much money back then).
bought a ticket and sure enough all of the sudden I had exactly the money to go see him, return trip to the US plus some.
Nothing you can know that is not known.
Past present and future.. apart from all the quantum babble, is connected? or cause and effect like you know where the ball falls you drop?
I dunno, but that is my observation, same thing from very young age..
There are several people that won big lotteries twice...
chances of that are a bit too small ... Or??
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+people+did+win+big+lotteries+twice
On 4/9/24 4:41 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Apr 2024 02:31:17 -0400) it happened "68hx.1805"
<68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote in
<G2adne53I8-rEo77nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>:
On 4/7/24 7:37 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Apr 2024 13:10:36 +0200) it happened D
<nospam@example.net> wrote in
<ee52c932-7727-a02e-0a1f-b295667edb4b@example.net>:
On the other hand, I've had one 10x and that 10x has fooled me into
continuing buying lottery tickets for a small amount of my total
portfolio. Without that 10x I would probably have stopped buying small >>>>> companies many years ago.
I am still positive on playing the lottery.
Used last big win for a trip to to 'merrica, Miami,
bought a new camera too from it.
There is a way..
Nothing you can know that is not known (Beatles song lyrics).
I hardly play lottery at all.. Only when I need it....
or thinks I know it.
Lottery ... if you DON'T PLAY then you CAN'T WIN ...
NO point is spending a LOT - ONE ticket gives you
your Big Chance ... extras only add a microscopic
bit to yer chances.
I've heard of rubes taking out LOANS so they can
buy thousands of lottery tickets. Gambling Fever.
So far, heard of exactly NONE of them winning dick.
Oh, the OTHER issue - WHAT IF YOU *WIN* ??? Esp in
the USA it means you have to HIDE - hire a few BIG
body-guards, move to a gated community with ARMED
guards, figure out how to split-up the money ....
a species of HELL ......
Last time I played the lotto went to the little shop
that my feeling told me over and over again to go there,
was an other guy in front of me, babbling about lucky numbers..
Seller asked me 2 digits (rest from computer)
I thought of 2 and won my lottery ticked price back..
Free go.
Few month ago same other shop,
this time I let the seller fill in the numbers
when she asked me I did say 'no idea, you fill it in'
same thing, free ticket..
Was some sort of relation with that person, that is why I said 'you get the numbers'.
Used that last free one bought a new one and lost with an other seller same procedure.
Have not even cashed in the first one and played with that money again..
Not sure if that ticket it is still valid..
Long ago with some guru, I was walking past the hotel where he was staying for a program over here
Now wanted to go an look at the hotel to see him, I was told he did not want people hanging around there for that..
So I figured, well if he REALLY wants to see me lemme buy a ticket in the lottery (not much money back then).
bought a ticket and sure enough all of the sudden I had exactly the money to go see him, return trip to the US plus some.
Nothing you can know that is not known.
Past present and future.. apart from all the quantum babble, is connected? or cause and effect like you know where the ball
falls you drop?
I dunno, but that is my observation, same thing from very young age..
Sorry, don't believe in "luck" or "harmonic convergences"
or "karma" or such ...
"CHANCE" ... that's the prime player.
Humans have EGO in abundance, always think The Universe
somehow considers/favors/curses them because we're SO
important, the center and purpose of everything.
There are several people that won big lotteries twice...
chances of that are a bit too small ... Or??
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+people+did+win+big+lotteries+twice
The POLICE should be ALL OVER such events ... stats say
it essentially cannot happen - therefore some species
of CRIME is to be expected.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:36:50 +0200, D wrote:
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being
able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth.
Don't buy tulip bulbs.
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:36:50 +0200, D wrote:
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being
able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth.
Don't buy tulip bulbs.
On 4/9/2024 9:11 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:36:50 +0200, D wrote:
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history
being
able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth.
Don't buy tulip bulbs.
Why? did you lose your recipe?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:36:50 +0200, D wrote:
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being >>> able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just
a fun myth.
Don't buy tulip bulbs.
Haha. Well, that's a good start. ;) Now, if I could only transform
history into psycho-history, I think I should be able to do pretty well
for myself. ;)
On 4/10/24 4:04 AM, D wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 10:36:50 +0200, D wrote:
Never experienced that sadly. I am toying with the idea of history being >>>> able to inform my investment decisions at a very high level in
combination with lots of other considerations, but that's probably just >>>> a fun myth.
Don't buy tulip bulbs.
Haha. Well, that's a good start. ;) Now, if I could only transform history >> into psycho-history, I think I should be able to do pretty well for myself. >> ;)
The "AI" have tried ... alas humans are bizarre and oft
irrational and what they DO in response to similar issues
depends entirely on how they FEEL that day ........
In short, 8 billion opinions of everything - changed daily.
History CAN teach - but only to a POINT. We see similar
gross patterns repeat, but the DETAILS are always a
bit different.
The "AI" have tried ... alas humans are bizarre and oft
irrational and what they DO in response to similar issues
depends entirely on how they FEEL that day ........
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:25:10 -0400
"68hx.1805" <68hx.1804@g5t7x.net> wrote:
The "AI" have tried ... alas humans are bizarre and oft
irrational and what they DO in response to similar issues
depends entirely on how they FEEL that day ........
Because our ET masters have trapped us in a quantam program driven by artificial scarcity and constrained by stunted mental powers and an
abruptly useless short lifespan, duh.
It was designed to fail and for us to live in conflict to prodcue loosh energy for them to feed on.
Everyone knows that!
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna
Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational
document of democracy.
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna
Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational
document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna
Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational
document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the
lecture! =)
On 4/12/24 4:31 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna
Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading to >>>> find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational
document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the lecture! >> =)
I will defer ... I am not a historian. Just bits picked up
over the years :-)
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 4:31 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna >>>>> Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental
reading to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational
document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the
lecture! =)
I will defer ... I am not a historian. Just bits picked up
over the years :-)
Oh well, better bits than nothing. ;)
On 4/12/24 5:45 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 4:31 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry
It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna >>>>>> Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading to >>>>>> find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational >>>>>> document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the
lecture! =)
I will defer ... I am not a historian. Just bits picked up
over the years :-)
Oh well, better bits than nothing. ;)
The events around Magna Carta are interesting. Bad King John
was REALLY REALLY bad. He'd send his barons and such off on
some mission and then rape their wives and daughters while
they were gone. He was infamous for throwing knights and
other upper-ups into dungeons in droves and just letting
them starve to death - while the "proper" tact was to put
them up comfortably until they could be ransomed.
He wrecked the economy and the ruling-class social order.
For the poor peasants pretty much any crime, real or perceived,
meant execution/mutilation/blinding/etc. As they say, a
real horror show ....
Of course nobody cared about the peasants/serfs ...
clearly gawd WANTED them in those miserable roles.
Amazing what you can justify in the name of "gawds
will and clear intent" dontchaknow :-)
Wasn't too long though before the barons and friends had
ENOUGH. Despite the claimed 'divine will' behind the King
they banded together and presented their list of demands,
OR ELSE.
As said, keeping a King while also requiring them to
relinquish absolute power, esp with a signed doc, was
kind of unusual for that part of the world - there were
downstream effects.
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 5:45 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 4:31 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry >>>>>>>It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the
Magna
Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental
reading to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational >>>>>>> document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king
theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint
with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the
lecture! =)
I will defer ... I am not a historian. Just bits picked up
over the years :-)
Oh well, better bits than nothing. ;)
The events around Magna Carta are interesting. Bad King John
was REALLY REALLY bad. He'd send his barons and such off on
some mission and then rape their wives and daughters while
they were gone. He was infamous for throwing knights and
other upper-ups into dungeons in droves and just letting
them starve to death - while the "proper" tact was to put
them up comfortably until they could be ransomed.
He wrecked the economy and the ruling-class social order.
For the poor peasants pretty much any crime, real or perceived,
meant execution/mutilation/blinding/etc. As they say, a
real horror show ....
Of course nobody cared about the peasants/serfs ...
clearly gawd WANTED them in those miserable roles.
Amazing what you can justify in the name of "gawds
will and clear intent" dontchaknow :-)
Wasn't too long though before the barons and friends had
ENOUGH. Despite the claimed 'divine will' behind the King
they banded together and presented their list of demands,
OR ELSE.
As said, keeping a King while also requiring them to
relinquish absolute power, esp with a signed doc, was
kind of unusual for that part of the world - there were
downstream effects.
Can we learn something about todays Russia from that? Will Putin grow
crazier and mroe power hungry and drive his oligarchs to rebel and kill
him and divide the spoils? Or will he be able to keep his oligarchs
divided against each other in order to avoid being killed from the
inside himself?
Putin is no fool - a 'chess-player'. That he has lasted so long,
gained so much power, in Russia ... it means he's a GrandMaster.
On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 18:21:51 -0400, 68hx.1806 wrote:
Putin is no fool - a 'chess-player'. That he has lasted so long,
gained so much power, in Russia ... it means he's a GrandMaster.
I've been reading Pavlichenko's memoir. When her commanding officer asks
her how she intends to eliminate a troublesome German sniper she replies
"The Russian way -- cunning, perseverance, and patience."
Russians are HARD-ASSES. The sheer volume of blood expended to stall,
then attack, the NAZIs - the pain and endurance required - shows an
important facet of the Russian character that nobody should ever
ignore.
On 4/13/24 6:03 AM, D wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 5:45 PM, D wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote:
On 4/12/24 4:31 AM, D wrote:
On Thu, 11 Apr 2024, 68hx.1805 wrote:
On 4/9/24 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 02:29:54 -0400, 68hx.1805 wrote:
"History" DOES include names and dates, timelines, sorry >>>>>>>>It does, but I would have to google for the exact date when the Magna >>>>>>>> Carta was signed. I also had to do out of class supplemental reading >>>>>>>> to
find it was the nobles covering their asses and not a foundational >>>>>>>> document of democracy.
As I said to 'D' somewhere - it is very rare to see a GOOD
history teacher in the grade-schools. Their function is to
pound a few important-seeming names and dates into yer head
so they'll last JUST long enough for you to fill out a
standardized test. Then they can get paid.
GOOD history teachers can be found at the university level.
They can bring it all to life.
As for Magna Carta - NO, it was NOT a "democratic" document,
just a sort of peace agreement between the king and the
highest-up noble families to prevent civil war. There was
absolutely nothing there for the peasants/serfs. It's main
point of interest however was that it involved an absolute
ruler (and future kiddies) surrendering absolute rule. The
king was no longer the unrestrained will/wisdom/hand-o-gawd,
which was a CHANGE for medieval europe where the gawd=pope=king >>>>>>> theme was the norm since Rome fell.
In OTHER places of course, "leaders" often practiced restraint >>>>>>> with allied chiefs. Oddly, today, many of those places are
some of the least 'democratic' :-)
Who needs a history book when we have you! ;) Please continue the
lecture! =)
I will defer ... I am not a historian. Just bits picked up
over the years :-)
Oh well, better bits than nothing. ;)
The events around Magna Carta are interesting. Bad King John
was REALLY REALLY bad. He'd send his barons and such off on
some mission and then rape their wives and daughters while
they were gone. He was infamous for throwing knights and
other upper-ups into dungeons in droves and just letting
them starve to death - while the "proper" tact was to put
them up comfortably until they could be ransomed.
He wrecked the economy and the ruling-class social order.
For the poor peasants pretty much any crime, real or perceived,
meant execution/mutilation/blinding/etc. As they say, a
real horror show ....
Of course nobody cared about the peasants/serfs ...
clearly gawd WANTED them in those miserable roles.
Amazing what you can justify in the name of "gawds
will and clear intent" dontchaknow :-)
Wasn't too long though before the barons and friends had
ENOUGH. Despite the claimed 'divine will' behind the King
they banded together and presented their list of demands,
OR ELSE.
As said, keeping a King while also requiring them to
relinquish absolute power, esp with a signed doc, was
kind of unusual for that part of the world - there were
downstream effects.
Can we learn something about todays Russia from that? Will Putin grow
crazier and mroe power hungry and drive his oligarchs to rebel and kill him >> and divide the spoils? Or will he be able to keep his oligarchs divided
against each other in order to avoid being killed from the inside himself?
King John allowed the barons to rally and conspire
together - to act in unison. Putin may be too smart
for that - keep his oligarchs and other potential
enemies worried about each other, disrupt any grand
plans, disappear anyone who seems especially dangerous.
Putin is no fool - a 'chess-player'. That he has lasted
so long, gained so much power, in Russia ... it means
he's a GrandMaster.
Putin is no fool - a 'chess-player'. That he has lasted
so long, gained so much power, in Russia ... it means
he's a GrandMaster.
Either that, or he is the preferred puppet. If the second case, the grandmasters are truly skilled.
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