• the Ukraine mess

    From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 02:23:02 2019
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    .. Ukraine as one of the poorest nations in Europe & beyond

    Ukraine is rated as one of the poorest countries in Europe and Central
    Asia when it comes to GDP per capita, according to the country's key
    creditor, the World Bank. .. It would take Ukraine more than 50 years to
    reach the income levels of today's Poland. .. The latest report revealed
    that Ukraine's economy contracted by 16 percent over the years of crisis.

    ...

    The 16% downturn is somewhat comparable to the American 1930s 'great depression', so there's no surprise that quite many would like to migrate
    out of the country and/or, particularly, obtain Russian citizenship.



    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB4-rixlfMg#t=6m50s>

    The 'radicals' were marching in their parade in Kiev once more ..

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 26 01:34:48 2019
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    <http://tinyurl.com/y27n3j5u> 112.international

    An owner of a Polish enterprise, .. took an unconscious Ukrainian to
    the forest and left him there .. The 36-year-old Ukrainian worked at
    an enterprise on production of coffins near Nowy Tomysl. A body of the
    man was found by foresters not far from Wagrowiec, Greater Poland
    Voivodeship.

    "Police officers found out that the man felt bad at work on a warm day
    and lost conscious. When other workers reported it to the employer,
    she prohibited to call for ambulance and ordered everyone to go home ..

    ...

    This is what the post-coup Ukrainian happiness looks like. Escaping
    misery and poverty at home they go to unskilled jobs in Poland. They
    work there until loss of consciousness. Then the Polish ladies transfer
    their semi-alive body to a nearby forest to die, since nobody gives a
    shit. It was an unlucky case that the body has been found.



    The westward Ukraine's emigration is directed mainly to Poland. The total number of the Ukrainians now working in Poland is estimated 2.5 million <http://clck.ru/DZ7TT>. They are being used mostly for various unskilled, agricultural - seasonal harvesting - and construction works, and a bit in services sector <http://clck.ru/Db2YA>.

    I went to a factory near Warsaw to pack sausage. I had to move
    bags of 50 kg, and work 18 hours a day. And then they deceived me
    with money. By prior arrangement, I would live at the expense of
    the employer in a hostel and eat in their dining room for free.
    But they first detained my salary, and two months later they paid
    only a third of the promised amount, explaining that they deducted
    the costs of housing and food.

    Oksana got a job at a food production plant. Everything turned
    much worse than she expected. "They immediately took everything
    from me, leaving only clothes. They took my phone, so I could not
    call anyone. I had no choice and had to work in non-stop mode." In
    the end, she didn't see the promised amount of money. The women
    who worked at the plant, in her words, looked like if it was a war.
    "Fear was in their eyes, they all were like zombies." The Poles
    woke Oksana to work by use of kicks. "At four in the morning, the
    Pole struck sleeping me in the back with his foot, speaking 'Get up,
    do not pretend.' I became indignant, and he hit me in the back
    couple more times. And they fed us with dregs, just like animals."

    Sources: <http://clck.ru/DZ7Jr> <http://clck.ru/DZ7Zn>

    Since the post-coup regime proclaimed pro-European slogans, its censorship doesn't encourage such stories, most of them take place in the left-liberal Polish press, although some Ukrainian outlets retell it too.

    The Ukrainian wokers say the corrupt Poland's bureaucracy is sort of mafia, and in case of a labor dispute it's impossible to prove anything. About a third of these gastarbeiters work illegally <http://clck.ru/DZ7TT>. Only one of ten of them would like to settle in Poland <http://clck.ru/Db3YT>, most would like to move further or wait for change in the Ukraine.

    The cheap Ukrainian workers are extremely profitable for the Polish economy,

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 9 08:02:26 2019
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    <http://tinyurl.com/y34hc44d> segodnya.ua

    Due to the difficult financial situation, the majority of Ukrainians -
    about 91% of the respondents - switched to an economy mode. This is
    evidenced by the recent survey conducted by Research & Branding Group.

    "Today, the average Ukrainian family saves .. the most costly items of expenditure, like vacation (54%), clothes and shoes (52%), foods (48%),
    also utility payments (39%)"

    .. Older Ukrainians much more often than other age groups save on foods
    (62%), on utility bills (48%), on treatment and medicines (57%), as well
    as on communications (21%).

    The survey was conducted from 21 to 30 May 2019 among 2001 respondents throughout Ukraine, with the exception of the Russia's Crimea and the
    East Ukraine territories which residents refused to recognize the post-
    coup illegitimate government. The maximum sampling error doesn't exceed
    2.2%. The results were announced on July 5th.

    ...

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qno0XNjwck> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfq4N7PlzRM> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pag1wYBBPOU> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNUA6r2mbk> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAMoyY5WyI>



    <http://tinyurl.com/y27n3j5u>
    An owner of a Polish enterprise .. took an unconscious Ukrainian to
    the forest and left him there ..

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 16 17:25:06 2019
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    <https://on.rt.com/9y7v>
    MSM link Italy neo-Nazi weapon haul to 'pro-Russian separatists' despite
    police saying the OPPOSITE (OS: Read below)

    ...

    <http://archive.is/GbiPu> cnn.com

    Italian police have seized "an arsenal of military weapons" and Nazi paraphernalia from three men .. The stockpile was discovered by police
    who were investigating Italians "with extremist ideology" who had fought alongside Russian-backed separatist forces in Donbass, eastern Ukraine,
    last July, according to the police statement.

    <http://archive.is/z6kBp> cbsnews.com

    Police said the discoveries stemmed from a previous investigation into
    Italians affiliated with far-right extremist groups who took part in the Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine. ..

    <http://archive.is/OPc16> bbc.com

    Anti-terrorism police in northern Italy have seized an air-to-air missile
    and other sophisticated weapons during raids on far-right extremist groups. Three people were arrested .. Neo-Nazi propaganda was also seized ..
    The raids were part of an investigation into Italian far-right help for Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, local media said. ..

    <http://archive.is/KSPrd> bbc.com

    Police investigating far-right groups in northern Italy found a missile .. Police video shows that neo-Nazi propaganda was also seized. The groups are believed to have links to Russian-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine. ..

    <http://archive.is/FRbzI> reuters.com (also the NYT, Aljazeera, ..)

    Italy seizes air-to-air missile, guns in raids on neo-Nazis .. Italians who
    had fought alongside Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, a police statement said.

    <http://archive.is/vqU0D> theguardian.com

    Police in northern Italy have detained three men, including one linked to
    a neo-fascist Italian political party, after uncovering a huge stash of automatic weapons, material featuring Nazi symbols and a three-metre missile. Police said the discoveries stemmed from a previous investigation into
    Italians who took part in the Russian-backed insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

    <http://archive.is/BIGhI> thetimes.co.uk

    Italian police seized an air-to-air missile and other sophisticated weapons during raids on far-right extremists suspected of ties to pro-Russian rebels fighting in Ukraine. ..

    ...

    <https://on.rt.com/9y7v>

    MSM link Italy neo-Nazi weapon haul to 'pro-Russian separatists' despite
    police saying the OPPOSITE / The Italian state police said on Monday that
    it had seized a cache of Nazi memorabilia and weapons - including a missile
    - from a neo-Nazi gang in northern Italy. The operation, the police said <http://archive.is/AOOSG>, was a result of a year-long investigation into far-right political movements who had fought "against the separatists" in Ukraine's eastern breakaway region of Donbass.

    Despite the rather unambiguous wording of the police statement, a host of mainstream media outlets got it dramatically wrong, essentially reporting
    the exact opposite. ..

    ...

    Associating 'Russia' with neo-Nazis is the most and the sweetest dream of
    the Atlanticist liberal scum, - and they try their best to indoctrinate
    their already well-brainwashed and ignorant support base in this way.

    The BBC then changed one of their articles, - "a police statement said .. far-right groups "who have fought in Ukraine's Donbass region against the separatists" <http://archive.is/UDJDI>, the second one remains unchanged.

    Meanwhile the Italian police have changed <http://archive.is/8F1Xl> their original phrasing to "having taken part in the armed conflict in the
    Donbass", so that it no longer says clearly what side the Nazis supported.
    Read the original here <http://archive.is/AOOSG>. It looks like the big
    boss called the Italian minors and suggested them to know their place.

    The BBC then changed it for the third time <http://archive.is/NLD4X>, so
    that now it proudly states that "the police did not make it clear which
    side the Italians were on in this case."

    The above is a pretty bold example of fake news, and the more these scum
    are passionate to promote their fake news, the more vocal they'd be about 'Russian disinformation'.

    Meanwhile, one Italian domestic English-speaking outlet has made it more
    clear, unambiguous and in more relevant detail what this neo-Nazi group
    was in fact about.

    <http://archive.is/gFrj1> ansa.it
    A group of pro-Ukraine neo-Nazis caught with an arsenal of weapons
    including a Matra air-to-air missile in northern Italy Monday wanted to
    assassinate Interior Minister Matteo Salvini, the minister said Tuesday.
    The weapons and neo-Nazi regalia were found in Turin. .. Salvini is
    known for his strong pro-Russian positions. Monday's operation was
    against former Italian fighters in Ukraine's eastern Donbass region ..

    Then Bloomberg also reports this story <http://tinyurl.com/y2ee4b2a>, but
    the ugly and sinister pro-Russia neo-Nazi group has now become transformed
    to "an alleged neo-Nazi and two other suspects", feel the difference.

    ...



    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qno0XNjwck> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfq4N7PlzRM> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pag1wYBBPOU> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCNUA6r2mbk> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GAMoyY5WyI>

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 16 21:50:02 2019
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    <http://tinyurl.com/y24dwxdp> theduran.com

    Freeland Responds to Putin: Liberalism Will Prevail! (Nazis Will Help)
    - Canadian armed forces are directly collaborating with neo-nazi forces
    in Ukraine ..

    The elite attempting to control the world under an "end of history"
    neo-liberal doctrine have created a mountain of unresolvable paradoxes
    for themselves in Ukraine .. A Nazi-infested technocratic regime which
    has played out like a disastrous circus for the past five years. ..
    Here's the rub: The only way to activate a violent overthrow required
    the unleashing of vast networks of third generation neo Nazis to carry
    out the sort of dirty work which no one else had the stomachs to handle.

    ...

    The writer tells it so as if the Atlanticist scum may feel a shame.

    They don't feel any shame.

    ...

    <http://tinyurl.com/y46qzpaw> washingtontimes.com

    After the ouster of a corrupt regime

    Ukraine is finally on the right path toward an open society. President Volodymyr Zelensky's victory was a victory of the people, and for the
    people, against the corrupt Poroshenko regime which dominated the country's courts and the rule of law unfettered. The promise of a fair and open
    Ukrainian society resonated with the electorate who removed the corrupt kleptocrat, Petro Poroshenko, from power. The Ukrainian people ousted a
    regime which prosecuted the innocent ..

    Ukraine must also eradicate the corruption of the previous regime .. The president has dismissed of several important figures from SBU leadership (Ukraine's Secret Service). I myself am setting up and planning to head an
    NGO called "The Asset Recovery Group" with the aim of recovering the $5
    billion that was embezzled by former Mr. Poroshenko and his inner circle. I have dedicated my career to exposing the corruption that plagued Ukraine
    under Mr. Poroshenko's rule ..

    ...

    Isn't it beautiful and eye-opening? You've learned some great news about
    the corrupt Poroshenko regime that was installed and so much supported by Obama, and then supported by Trump as well. But no more!

    The folks "the west" brought to power through the anti-democratic violent
    coup in 2014 are a community of criminals, neo-Nazis, corrupt businessmen, clowns and various shoddy opportinists.

    Some positive outcome from this circus may be that while making the sexual intercourses among each other, the freaks finally put up with the Crimea's
    exit and stop harassing the free Donbas republics.



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    .. Ukraine as one of the poorest nations in Europe & beyond

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 17 12:25:31 2019
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    <https://on.rt.com/9y7v>

    MSM link Italy neo-Nazi weapon haul to 'pro-Russian separatists' despite police saying the OPPOSITE / The Italian state police said on Monday that it had seized a cache of Nazi memorabilia and weapons - including a missile - from a neo-Nazi gang in northern Italy. The operation, the police said <http://archive.is/AOOSG>, was a result of a year-long investigation into far-right political movements who had fought "against the separatists" in Ukraine's eastern breakaway region of Donbass.

    <http://tinyurl.com/y32cpuhw> dailysabah.com

    .. Some white supremacists involved in the neo-Nazi Charlottesville
    violence in the U.S. were trained by a far-right Ukrainian
    battalion .. The report came after the indictments of some members
    of the white supremacist movement for allegedly inciting the
    Virginia riot. The southern California-based white supremacist "Rise
    Above Movement" leader Robert Rundo said in his affidavit that he
    has connections with the political wing of Ukraine's far-right Azov
    Battalion, as he had traveled to Germany, Italy and Ukraine in the
    spring of 2018 ..

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 24 21:48:23 2019
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    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkDWwYk4-Ho>

    Bonanza media investigative team of independent journalists take exclusive interviews with one of the suspects of downing the MH17, Malaysian prime minister; colonel that collected black boxes and much more. Eye opening testimonies from witnesses and irrefutable evidence from experts. Exclusive footage shot in Malaysia, The Netherlands and at the crash area in Ukraine.

    ...



    <https://on.rt.com/9v2o>

    .. Ukraine as one of the poorest nations in Europe & beyond

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  • From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 17:18:18 2019
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    <https://youtu.be/IghPzXSMB5k> a homeless man possessing a spoon <https://youtu.be/Pcg-FOEsj-4> feminine sadism against homeless <https://youtu.be/Mvx2jL8UNdg> an extremely dangerous woman <https://youtu.be/wU-fPjSmh1g> pedestrians violated crossing rules <https://youtu.be/CY1_y5aNEow> traffic passions

    In the US, people are accustomed to perceive the police as semi-gods
    - "if the cops tell you to bark like a dog, then bark like a dog" -
    otherwise the cops simply shoot you to death, wholly in their right.

    In the post-Soviet space, including the Ukraine, people had not been
    accustomed to accept the police this way. The clique that had usurped
    power in the Ukraine after the anti-constitutional anti-democratic
    coup in 2014, made an effort to reform the police to make it mimic 'American/western' style. The result looks both comic and ugly.

    The basic issue is that the American 'triumphalist' style of policing
    is genuinely possible only if the police can enjoy killings [almost]
    with impunity, as it really happens in the US. Most of the Ukrainians
    still don't expect to be shot to death by police for petty issues.
    The last three of the above videos show typical situations when minor
    violators or their companions exert a fierce passive resistance
    against the police who seek to handcuff / arrest people 'for nothing'.

    ...



    <https://on.rt.com/9v2o>

    .. Ukraine as one of the poorest nations in Europe & beyond

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