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  • Re: PNN Patent Data

    From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 07:34:08 2022
    Il giorno domenica 4 dicembre 2022 alle 16:23:10 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Sez. n4


    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

    From :
    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ (under construction)

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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 07:23:08 2022
  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Mon Dec 5 12:36:53 2022
    pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sez. n4

    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    Still no actual patent information, just effectively the same info that
    was already on the web site.
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 03:10:51 2022
    Il giorno lunedì 5 dicembre 2022 alle 11:54:18 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno lunedì 5 dicembre 2022 alle 11:36:56 UTC+1 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
    pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sez. n4

    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg
    Still no actual patent information, just effectively the same info that was already on the web site.
    --
    /* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
    /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
    /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
    /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */
    From yesterday

    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ is
    in evolution

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4


    an idea Mr. Makela

    AFTER EXPERIMENTAL DEMONSTRATIONS
    Do you want to sell in Finland anything of PNN thrusters?

    E.Laureti

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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 5 02:54:17 2022
    Il giorno lunedì 5 dicembre 2022 alle 11:36:56 UTC+1 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
    pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sez. n4

    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg
    Still no actual patent information, just effectively the same info that
    was already on the web site.
    --
    /* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
    /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
    /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
    /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */

    From yesterday

    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ is
    in evolution

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Mon Dec 5 11:54:18 2022
    On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 12:36:53 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sez. n4

    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    Still no actual patent information, just effectively the same info that
    was already on the web site.

    be patient

    I said patent will be published December18 2022

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Tue Dec 6 12:41:19 2022
    On 05-Dec-22 2:23 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Sez. n4


    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

    This just means it might be patentable if it worked.

    So far we still haven't seen any remotely compelling evidence that it
    works, and the data you have offered is highly suggestive of a thermal
    effect due to the delay between applying power and getting thrust, and
    removing power and losing thrust.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Tue Dec 6 12:42:28 2022
    On 05-Dec-22 2:23 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Sez. n4


    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

    This just means it might be patentable if it worked.

    So far we still haven't seen any remotely compelling evidence that it
    works, and the data you have offered is highly suggestive of a thermal
    effect due to the delay between applying power and getting thrust, and
    removing power and losing thrust.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 08:19:52 2022
    On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:41:19 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 05-Dec-22 2:23 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Sez. n4


    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

    This just means it might be patentable if it worked.

    So far we still haven't seen any remotely compelling evidence that it
    works, and the data you have offered is highly suggestive of a thermal
    effect due to the delay between applying power and getting thrust, and >removing power and losing thrust.

    Sylvia.

    go troll someone Else !

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 6 08:20:08 2022
    On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 12:42:28 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 05-Dec-22 2:23 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Sez. n4


    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

    This just means it might be patentable if it worked.

    So far we still haven't seen any remotely compelling evidence that it
    works, and the data you have offered is highly suggestive of a thermal
    effect due to the delay between applying power and getting thrust, and >removing power and losing thrust.

    Sylvia.

    go troll someone Else !

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Fri Dec 9 19:47:20 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    be patient

    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    I can hardly contain my excitement.
    --
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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Fri Dec 9 19:46:22 2022
    pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:

    an idea Mr. Makela
    AFTER EXPERIMENTAL DEMONSTRATIONS
    Do you want to sell in Finland anything of PNN thrusters?

    I'll summarize my position: as far as I can tell, established physics
    makes it quite unlikely that your device works as you assume it does.
    All the data you have given us on the device seems to point to quite
    plausible alternate explanations of the observed thrust effect.
    For some reason, you take all these public caveats as personal attacks.
    If your device were to work as you assume it does OR if it does produce
    thrust by some other poorly-understood mechanism, it would mean quite an upheaval of physics. That would be extremely interesting, but I am not
    really holding my breath here.

    Also, I'm not interested in becoming a hardware salesman.
    If it works, I'm sure you'll have no shortage of people.
    --
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Fri Dec 9 20:39:36 2022
    On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:47:20 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    be patient

    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    I can hardly contain my excitement.

    you can try with chamomile, or Valium.

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Sun Dec 11 19:33:33 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:47:20 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022
    I can hardly contain my excitement.
    you can try with chamomile, or Valium.

    Do you remember Robert Shawyer and his EmDrive, which for a moment even
    NASA engineers thought could produce thrust, but this unfortunately
    turned out to be thermal effects?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
    --
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Sun Dec 11 19:25:13 2022
    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:33:33 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:47:20 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022
    I can hardly contain my excitement.
    you can try with chamomile, or Valium.

    Do you remember Robert Shawyer and his EmDrive, which for a moment even
    NASA engineers thought could produce thrust, but this unfortunately
    turned out to be thermal effects?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive


    PNN is different !!!

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Mon Dec 12 18:34:41 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:33:33 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Do you remember Robert Shawyer and his EmDrive, which for a moment
    even NASA engineers thought could produce thrust, but this
    unfortunately turned out to be thermal effects?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

    PNN is different !!!

    Sure. There's this really nice bridge available to buy in Brooklyn... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Mon Dec 12 19:20:26 2022
    On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 18:34:41 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:33:33 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Do you remember Robert Shawyer and his EmDrive, which for a moment
    even NASA engineers thought could produce thrust, but this
    unfortunately turned out to be thermal effects?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

    PNN is different !!!

    Sure. There's this really nice bridge available to buy in Brooklyn... >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

    I have no idea about what you are talking, it is Arab for me.

    stay calm and watch PNN success !

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Tue Dec 13 18:17:15 2022
    On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 18:34:41 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:33:33 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Do you remember Robert Shawyer and his EmDrive, which for a moment
    even NASA engineers thought could produce thrust, but this
    unfortunately turned out to be thermal effects?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive

    PNN is different !!!

    Sure. There's this really nice bridge available to buy in Brooklyn... >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

    you are a troll just like Sylvia Else.

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Mon Dec 19 21:25:44 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    be patient

    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?
    --
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Tue Dec 20 08:08:45 2022
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:44 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    be patient

    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?

    you woke up early just to troll us?

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Tue Dec 20 10:10:23 2022
    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:50:35 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:44 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?

    you woke up early just to troll us?

    I wrote that in the evening.
    I'm really beginning to suspect there is no patent application.

    you are a troll.

    my time with you is over.

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Tue Dec 20 10:50:35 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:44 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022

    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?

    you woke up early just to troll us?

    I wrote that in the evening.
    I'm really beginning to suspect there is no patent application.

    --
    /* * * Otto J. Makela <om@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Wed Dec 21 13:04:34 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:50:35 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:44 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022
    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?
    you woke up early just to troll us?
    I wrote that in the evening.
    I'm really beginning to suspect there is no patent application.

    you are a troll.

    my time with you is over.

    Are you confirming there is no patent application?
    --
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Wed Dec 21 14:48:42 2022
    On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 13:04:34 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 10:50:35 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:25:44 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022
    Today is 19th December 2022. Where can the patent be viewed?
    you woke up early just to troll us?
    I wrote that in the evening.
    I'm really beginning to suspect there is no patent application.

    you are a troll.

    my time with you is over.

    Are you confirming there is no patent application?

    NO

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Thu Dec 29 12:54:27 2022
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 13:04:34 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
    Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
    be patient
    I said patent will be published December18 2022
    Are you confirming there is no patent application?

    NO

    When will it be public, since apparently it did not become available on
    18th December 2022 as you claim above?
    --
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