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  • Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion

    From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Wed Nov 16 09:23:23 2022
    On 15/11/2022 10:45 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/

    As soon as you've demonstrated your drive in orbit.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Wed Nov 16 04:55:18 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/


    Has the patent been issued yet?

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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 17 05:04:42 2022
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?

    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Thu Nov 17 09:04:59 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to damarkley@gmail.com on Thu Nov 17 19:10:30 2022
    On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....

    are you impaired?

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Dean Markley on Fri Nov 18 10:52:33 2022
    On 18/11/2022 4:04 am, Dean Markley wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....

    In fairness (though why I feel the need to be fair to a fraudster, I
    don't know), because this drive, if it worked, would violate the
    established principles of physics, it would not be possible to patent in
    places like the USA in the absence of a demonstrated clearly working
    example. The rule was primarily introduced to stem the endless patent applications on over-unity and perpetual motion machines.

    Of course, the continuing lack of such an example is telling.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 08:04:38 2022
    On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:52:33 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/11/2022 4:04 am, Dean Markley wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....

    In fairness (though why I feel the need to be fair to a fraudster, I
    don't know), because this drive, if it worked, would violate the
    established principles of physics, it would not be possible to patent in >places like the USA in the absence of a demonstrated clearly working
    example. The rule was primarily introduced to stem the endless patent >applications on over-unity and perpetual motion machines.

    Of course, the continuing lack of such an example is telling.

    Sylvia.

    yes, it is telling us that you are a troll.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Fri Nov 18 04:26:01 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledÄ› 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....
    are you impaired?

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
    The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

    Most likely causes:
    The directory or file specified does not exist on the Web server.
    The URL contains a typographical error.
    A custom filter or module, such as URLScan, restricts access to the file.

    Things you can try:
    Create the content on the Web server.
    Review the browser URL.
    Create a tracing rule to track failed requests for this HTTP status code and see which module is calling SetStatus. For more information about creating a tracing rule for failed requests, click here.

    Detailed Error Information:
    Module IIS Web Core
    Notification MapRequestHandler
    Handler StaticFile
    Error Code 0x80070002
    Requested URL http://www.asps.it:80/Paper16,pdf
    Physical Path D:\inetpub\webs\aspsit\Paper16,pdf
    Logon Method Anonymous
    Logon User Anonymous
    Request Tracing Directory D:\LogFiles\FailedReqLogFiles

    More Information:
    This error means that the file or directory does not exist on the server. Create the file or directory and try the request again.
    View more information »

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to damarkley@gmail.com on Fri Nov 18 14:57:29 2022
    On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >> >> Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....
    are you impaired?

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
    The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

    I can download it

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 14:18:25 2022
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Sat Nov 19 13:31:47 2022
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg

    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 22:30:57 2022
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 22:49:55 2022
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 02:41:44 2022
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Sat Nov 19 22:05:00 2022
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf



    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Sat Nov 19 21:33:21 2022
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue



    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 03:12:42 2022
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 09:07:55 2022
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
    radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes

    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
    The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 14:55:19 2022
    On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:05:00 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf



    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    because you are an impartial observer?

    hahahahahahahaha

    what a troll!

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to alain245@videotron.ca on Sat Nov 19 15:56:07 2022
    On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 09:07:55 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
    radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes

    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly >producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
    The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the >(non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier

    so take a V dipole and heat your house with it :-)))

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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 10:08:22 2022
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
    radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
    The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
    But changing the laws of motion with the PNN the thrust becomes greater than 12 grams after about 10 minutes ... and always at 250 watts..
    like this www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg :-) ...

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 19 15:09:40 2022
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
    The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
    effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

    I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
    effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
    "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
    thrust from it in an atmosphere.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to alain245@videotron.ca on Sat Nov 19 21:25:19 2022
    On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:09:40 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

    Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well >>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust. >>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

    I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
    effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
    "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
    thrust from it in an atmosphere.


    Alain Fournier

    hahahahahahahaha

    what a laugh

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to alain245@videotron.ca on Sat Nov 19 21:31:08 2022
    On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:09:40 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

    Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well >>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust. >>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

    I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
    effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
    "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
    thrust from it in an atmosphere.


    Alain Fournier

    so a warmer (heater) is not a space engine !

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to damarkley@gmail.com on Mon Nov 21 15:56:19 2022
    On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:28:13 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:57:32 AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....
    are you impaired?

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
    The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
    I can download it
    That's a picture, not a patent.

    the patent will be published 18 December 2022.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Mon Nov 21 06:28:13 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:57:32 AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >> >> Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    That's a 404 error....
    are you impaired?

    www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
    HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
    The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
    I can download it
    That's a picture, not a patent.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Alain Fournier on Wed Nov 23 10:53:51 2022
    On 20/11/2022 7:09 am, Alain Fournier wrote:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier
    ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha
    scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else
    ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn
    calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia >>>>>>>>> Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn >>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 >>>>>>>>>>>> dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn >>>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in
    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to >>>>>>>>> colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing
    space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this
    basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and
    unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the
    laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done >>>>>> before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by
    others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your
    drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well >>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn
    prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type
    of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust. >>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will
    lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

    I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
    effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
    "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
    thrust from it in an atmosphere.



    And it's a species of heat-engine - just a spectacularly inefficient one ;)

    Sylvia

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 03:20:54 2022
    On Nov 17, 2022, pnn calmagorod wrote
    (in article<561ca4e2-2dd6-4651-b6ea-ec8af8486863n@googlegroups.com>):

    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?

    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    You have a comma before pdf when it probably should be a period.
    I haven’t visited it since it is not clear that it is a https (secure)
    site.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) "When the Nightbird calls your name
    No, don't listen or nothing will ever be the same" (Mae Moore)

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 07:41:23 2022
    On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:53:51 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 20/11/2022 7:09 am, Alain Fournier wrote:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier
    ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha >>>>> scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else >>>>>>> ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn
    calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia >>>>>>>>>> Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn >>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in
    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to >>>>>>>>>> colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing >>>>>>>>> space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this
    basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and
    unless we
    get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the
    laws of
    nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done >>>>>>> before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by >>>>>>> others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your
    drive
    does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well >>>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn
    prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type
    of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust. >>>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >>>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will
    lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

    I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
    effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
    "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
    thrust from it in an atmosphere.



    And it's a species of heat-engine - just a spectacularly inefficient one ;)

    Sylvia


    you are a troll and an irrecuperable idiot.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Wed Nov 23 19:01:50 2022
    On 18/11/2022 12:04 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?

    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    It's in Italian, but even so, it doesn't look like any issued patent
    I've ever seen, and the domain name does not appear to belong to the
    Italian patent office.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 23 10:37:35 2022
    On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 19:01:50 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/11/2022 12:04 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote: >>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
    Has the patent been issued yet?

    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    It's in Italian, but even so, it doesn't look like any issued patent
    I've ever seen, and the domain name does not appear to belong to the
    Italian patent office.

    Sylvia.


    go troll someone Else !!!

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to pnn calmagorod on Fri Nov 25 19:44:39 2022
    On 20/11/2022 5:08 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
    above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
    The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
    effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
    But changing the laws of motion with the PNN the thrust becomes greater than 12 grams after about 10 minutes ... and always at 250 watts..
    like this www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg :-) ...


    Why does it take 10 minutes? Where is the power going in the mean time?
    Does that not seem odd to you?

    Sylvia.

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 17:11:42 2022
    On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 19:44:39 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 20/11/2022 5:08 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
    Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
    On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
    Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars

    www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
    www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
    Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?

    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
    What's that meant to prove?

    Sylvia
    .

    meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
    forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars

    there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue

    A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we >>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of >>>>>>> nature were different.

    Sylvia

    the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf


    But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive >>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well >>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic >>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

    Sylvia.

    We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
    With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
    The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
    producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust. >>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
    thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal >>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
    (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
    thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.


    Alain Fournier


    based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
    But changing the laws of motion with the PNN the thrust becomes greater than 12 grams after about 10 minutes ... and always at 250 watts..
    like this www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg :-) ...


    Why does it take 10 minutes? Where is the power going in the mean time?

    magnetic field

    Does that not seem odd to you?

    NO!


    Sylvia.

    go troll someone Else !

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Dec 1 09:13:32 2022
    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    On Nov 17, 2022, pnn calmagorod wrote
    (in article<561ca4e2-2dd6-4651-b6ea-ec8af8486863n@googlegroups.com>):
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com >> ha scritto:
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?
    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    You have a comma before pdf when it probably should be a period. I
    haven’t visited it since it is not clear that it is a https (secure)
    site.

    It is not, only http is supported: http://www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

    Alas, that is not a "patent" nor does it even seem to be a patent
    application. This largely Italian-language document was written by Dr.
    Emilio Lizardo, excuse me, Dr. Emidio Laureti and comprises of 19 pages
    of text in about as many differing typefaces.

    The following section might be what is being referred to (Google
    translate), but even there an actual EPO application number isn't given?
    An included image(!) of an edited(!!) email message includes codes
    "n. 102021000015986 - Ns. rif. 1096/INV.IT/RR", and the given title
    "Sistema di Propulsione elettromagnetica per la movimentazione di
    veicoli spaziali" but none of these seem to match anything in the EPO databases.

    ----

    In 2021 the PNN was patented in Italy.

    The PNN relating to the F432BA prototype will be published by December
    2022. The EPO (European Patent Office) has given its approval of the
    Patent (Nova Astronautica Vol 42 n.171 2022), as we were informed by the
    Patent Consultancy Company to which we have delegated ALL the patent
    operations in Italy and abroad . We publish part of the report already published in Nova Astronautica n.171 Vol.42 on page 1

    --
    /* * * Otto J. Makela <om@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
    /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
    /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
    /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to Otto J. Makela on Fri Dec 2 10:53:58 2022
    On Thu, 01 Dec 2022 09:13:32 +0200, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

    David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

    On Nov 17, 2022, pnn calmagorod wrote
    (in article<561ca4e2-2dd6-4651-b6ea-ec8af8486863n@googlegroups.com>):
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com >>> ha scritto:
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?
    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    You have a comma before pdf when it probably should be a period. I
    haven’t visited it since it is not clear that it is a https (secure)
    site.

    It is not, only http is supported: http://www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

    Alas, that is not a "patent" nor does it even seem to be a patent >application. This largely Italian-language document was written by Dr.
    Emilio Lizardo, excuse me, Dr. Emidio Laureti and comprises of 19 pages
    of text in about as many differing typefaces.

    The following section might be what is being referred to (Google
    translate), but even there an actual EPO application number isn't given?
    An included image(!) of an edited(!!) email message includes codes
    "n. 102021000015986 - Ns. rif. 1096/INV.IT/RR", and the given title
    "Sistema di Propulsione elettromagnetica per la movimentazione di
    veicoli spaziali" but none of these seem to match anything in the EPO >databases.

    ----

    In 2021 the PNN was patented in Italy.

    The PNN relating to the F432BA prototype will be published by December
    2022. The EPO (European Patent Office) has given its approval of the
    Patent (Nova Astronautica Vol 42 n.171 2022), as we were informed by the >Patent Consultancy Company to which we have delegated ALL the patent >operations in Italy and abroad . We publish part of the report already >published in Nova Astronautica n.171 Vol.42 on page 1


    that is correct.

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  • From pnn calmagorod@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 4 07:37:36 2022
    Il giorno giovedì 1 dicembre 2022 alle 08:13:35 UTC+1 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
    David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

    On Nov 17, 2022, pnn calmagorod wrote
    (in article<561ca4e2-2dd6-4651...@googlegroups.com>):
    Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com
    ha scritto:
    Has the patent been issued yet?
    the patent?
    here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

    You have a comma before pdf when it probably should be a period. I haven’t visited it since it is not clear that it is a https (secure) site.
    It is not, only http is supported: http://www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

    Alas, that is not a "patent" nor does it even seem to be a patent application. This largely Italian-language document was written by Dr. Emilio Lizardo, excuse me, Dr. Emidio Laureti and comprises of 19 pages
    of text in about as many differing typefaces.

    The following section might be what is being referred to (Google
    translate), but even there an actual EPO application number isn't given?
    An included image(!) of an edited(!!) email message includes codes
    "n. 102021000015986 - Ns. rif. 1096/INV.IT/RR", and the given title
    "Sistema di Propulsione elettromagnetica per la movimentazione di
    veicoli spaziali" but none of these seem to match anything in the EPO databases.

    ----

    In 2021 the PNN was patented in Italy.

    The PNN relating to the F432BA prototype will be published by December
    2022. The EPO (European Patent Office) has given its approval of the
    Patent (Nova Astronautica Vol 42 n.171 2022), as we were informed by the Patent Consultancy Company to which we have delegated ALL the patent operations in Italy and abroad . We publish part of the report already published in Nova Astronautica n.171 Vol.42 on page 1

    --
    /* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
    /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
    /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
    /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */


    From :
    https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ (under construction)

    http://www.asps.it/cio1.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio2.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio3.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio4.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio5.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio6.jpg
    http://www.asps.it/cio7.jpg

    E.Laureti

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