https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
The best tip would be "You misunderstood, this is about making money,
not making thrust."
Sylvia.
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any thrust
so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
The best tip would be "You misunderstood, this is about making money,
not making thrust."
Sylvia.
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any thrust
so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
The best tip would be "You misunderstood, this is about making money,
not making thrust."
Sylvia.
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects which were causing the illusion of thrust.
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You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears
in a vacuum.
On Aug/10/2022 at 05:31, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more
effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects
which were causing the illusion of thrust.
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real thrust,
not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears in a vacuum.
From the above web site: "the ferrites temperature in ASPS setup rises
above 220°C". That's hot, quite hot enough to produce the observed
thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:17:59 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 05:31, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more
effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects >>> which were causing the illusion of thrust.
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real thrust,
not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears in a vacuum. >>
From the above web site: "the ferrites temperature in ASPS setup rises
above 220°C". That's hot, quite hot enough to produce the observed
thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
you are obsessed by thermal effect at the point that you are blind.
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects which were causing the illusion of thrust.
On Aug/10/2022 at 05:31, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects which were causing the illusion of thrust.You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real thrust,
not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears in a vacuum.
From the above web site: "the ferrites temperature in ASPS setup rises
above 220°C". That's hot, quite hot enough to produce the observed
thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
On 10-Aug-22 11:42 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:17:59 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 05:31, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more
effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects >>>> which were causing the illusion of thrust.
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real thrust,
not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears in a vacuum. >>>
From the above web site: "the ferrites temperature in ASPS setup rises
above 220°C". That's hot, quite hot enough to produce the observed
thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
you are obsessed by thermal effect at the point that you are blind.
Exactly who is blind? Laureti has been at this for years, but still
hasn't produced a device that shows any compelling evidence of thrust at
a level that cannot be explained as the result of known thermal and
radiative effects.
It would be nice if this thing worked as advertised, but it would be >violating the known laws of physics if it did, and nothing has been
shown yet that would makes us suspect those laws are wrong.
Sylvia.
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears
in a vacuum.
On 10-Aug-22 11:42 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:17:59 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 05:31, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
On 10-Aug-22 6:27 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
https://neolegesmotus.com/2022/08/09/first-independent-replica-of-pnn-thruster/
"With these conditions Jeremiah unfortunately hasn’t achieved any
thrust so far and he then asked Laureti for some tips."
He hasn't achieved any thrust, because it doesn't work.
I suspect the addition of cooling fins is dissipating the heat more
effectively than in the ASPS model and thus removing the thermal effects >>>> which were causing the illusion of thrust.
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real thrust,
not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears in a vacuum. >>>
From the above web site: "the ferrites temperature in ASPS setup rises
above 220°C". That's hot, quite hot enough to produce the observed
thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
you are obsessed by thermal effect at the point that you are blind.
Exactly who is blind? Laureti has been at this for years, but still
hasn't produced a device that shows any compelling evidence of thrust at
a level that cannot be explained as the result of known thermal and
radiative effects.
It would be nice if this thing worked as advertised, but it would be >violating the known laws of physics if it did, and nothing has been
shown yet that would makes us suspect those laws are wrong.
Sylvia.
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
which isn't our case!
Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust disappears
in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said >"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
which isn't our case!Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
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Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>> Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
which isn't our case!
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-)
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-)
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
which isn't our case!You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said >>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >>>>
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-) >>
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-)
If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will
give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have >thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you
want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournier
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 18:48:34 UTC+2 Doctor Who ha scritto: >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:43:12 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :we insist that the thrust is due to the electromagnetic impulse, no
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >> >>>>> Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
which isn't our case!You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said >> >>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >> >>>>
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-) >> >>
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-) >> >
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will
give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have
thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you
want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournier
thermal effect can achieve such a thrust measured on a scale in both
directions (up and down).
Secondo questo imbecille col botto uno scaldino a batterie e con telecomando si alleggerisce o appesantisce su una bilancia ...
per la variazione di massa dovrebbe essere una bomba atomica :-)
Non c'è utilità a parlare con questi deficienti TOTALI
e lallo
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:43:12 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
which isn't our case!You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real >>>>>> thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said >>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >>>>
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-) >>
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-)
If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will >give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have >thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you >want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournierwe insist that the thrust is due to the electromagnetic impulse, no
thermal effect can achieve such a thrust measured on a scale in both directions (up and down).
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 18:48:34 UTC+2 Doctor Who ha scritto:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:43:12 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :we insist that the thrust is due to the electromagnetic impulse, no
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>> Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
which isn't our case!You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real >>>>>>>> thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said >>>>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >>>>>>
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-) >>>>
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-) >>>
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will
give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have
thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you
want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournier
thermal effect can achieve such a thrust measured on a scale in both
directions (up and down).
Secondo questo imbecille col botto uno scaldino a batterie e con telecomando si alleggerisce o appesantisce su una bilancia ...
per la variazione di massa dovrebbe essere una bomba atomica :-)
Non c'è utilità a parlare con questi deficienti TOTALI
e lallo
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".which isn't our case!
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
experiments in vacuum :-)
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledÄ› 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >> >> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >> > which isn't our case!Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for
the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is
the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in
the presence of a static magnetic field.
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force
which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point
charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
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Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 22:32:36 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:effect" with a coax cable that power a dummy load :-))))
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoled? 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >> >> >> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >> >> > which isn't our case!Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
experiments in vacuum :-)
the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is
the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in
the presence of a static magnetic field.
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force
which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point
charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
You don't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your hallucinatory theories don't reply elementari facts :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent and DO something of realistic to explain such MANY facts ................. such the follow two days ago : With more than 15 minutes of power Sub321n4 reach on scale more than 20 grams of thrust ... reproduce this this "thermal
the pnn only needs time to take off and of course an adequate system of solar panels. The thrust curve is similar to this
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg.
All newtonian and realativistic theories are comic and have no meaning in the PNN field :-)
E.Laureti
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On Aug/12/2022 at 04:53, Doctor Who wrote :effect" with a coax cable that power a dummy load :-))))
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod
<calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 22:32:36 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoled? 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >>>>>>> which isn't our case!Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once >>>>>> you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
experiments in vacuum :-)
the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is >>>> the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in
the presence of a static magnetic field.
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force
which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point
charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
You don't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your hallucinatory theories don't reply elementari facts : >>>
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent and DO something of realistic to explain such MANY facts ................. such the follow two days ago : With more than 15 minutes of power Sub321n4 reach on scale more than 20 grams of thrust ... reproduce this this "thermal
the pnn only needs time to take off and of course an adequate system of solar panels. The thrust curve is similar to this
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg.
All newtonian and realativistic theories are comic and have no meaning in the PNN field :-)
E.Laureti
--
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I think this says it all: reproduce this "thermal effect" with a dummy
load.
I reproduce that frequently. When I open the door of a hot oven and let
the door ajar, I feel a hot wind coming out. This wind from the oven has
more force than your PNN. The oven does not need to be any hotter than
your PNN gets.
Alain Fournier
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:effect" with a coax cable that power a dummy load :-))))
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 22:32:36 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoled? 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>> "thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive". >>>>>> which isn't our case!Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once
you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
experiments in vacuum :-)
the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is >>> the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in
the presence of a static magnetic field.
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force
which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point
charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
You don't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your hallucinatory theories don't reply elementari facts :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent and DO something of realistic to explain such MANY facts ................. such the follow two days ago : With more than 15 minutes of power Sub321n4 reach on scale more than 20 grams of thrust ... reproduce this this "thermal
the pnn only needs time to take off and of course an adequate system of solar panels. The thrust curve is similar to this
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg.
All newtonian and realativistic theories are comic and have no meaning in the PNN field :-)
E.Laureti
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I think this says it all: reproduce this "thermal effect" with a dummy
load.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:47:13 -0400, Alain Fournierthermal effect" with a coax cable that power a dummy load :-))))
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 04:53, Doctor Who wrote :
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod
<calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 22:32:36 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoled? 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for >>>>> the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is >>>>> the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in >>>>> the presence of a static magnetic field.
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once >>>>>>> you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum. >>>>>>
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".which isn't our case!
experiments in vacuum :-)
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force
which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point
charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
You don't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your hallucinatory theories don't reply elementari facts : >>>>
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent and DO something of realistic to explain such MANY facts ................. such the follow two days ago : With more than 15 minutes of power Sub321n4 reach on scale more than 20 grams of thrust ... reproduce this this "
the pnn only needs time to take off and of course an adequate system of solar panels. The thrust curve is similar to this
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg.
All newtonian and realativistic theories are comic and have no meaning in the PNN field :-)
E.Laureti
--
/* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
/* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
/* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
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I think this says it all: reproduce this "thermal effect" with a dummy
load.
I reproduce that frequently. When I open the door of a hot oven and let
the door ajar, I feel a hot wind coming out. This wind from the oven has
more force than your PNN. The oven does not need to be any hotter than
your PNN gets.
Alain Fournier
that is not a valid comparison, we don't put pnn into an oven. But
again, reproduce this thrust with a coax cable that powers a dummy
load so that you can say that "thermal effects" move the prototype,
and you have to reproduce that on a milligrams scale in both
directions up and down.
Go!
On Aug/12/2022 at 06:13, Doctor Who wrote :thermal effect" with a coax cable that power a dummy load :-))))
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:47:13 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 04:53, Doctor Who wrote :
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod
<calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 22:32:36 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoled? 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:Lorentz shared the 1902 Nobel Prize in Physics with Pieter Zeeman for >>>>>> the discovery and theoretical explanation of the Zeeman effect, which is >>>>>> the effect of splitting of a spectral line into several components in >>>>>> the presence of a static magnetic field.
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once >>>>>>>> you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum. >>>>>>>
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".which isn't our case!
experiments in vacuum :-)
The Nobel prize was not awarded for the the eponymous Lorentz force >>>>>> which is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point >>>>>> charge due to electromagnetic fields.
Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo is not enough that you will
be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right.
-- Robert L. Park: Voodoo Science, 2000
You don't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your hallucinatory theories don't reply elementari facts : >>>>>
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent and DO something of realistic to explain such MANY facts ................. such the follow two days ago : With more than 15 minutes of power Sub321n4 reach on scale more than 20 grams of thrust ... reproduce this this "
the pnn only needs time to take off and of course an adequate system of solar panels. The thrust curve is similar to this
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg.
All newtonian and realativistic theories are comic and have no meaning in the PNN field :-)
E.Laureti
--
/* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
/* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
/* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
/* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */
I think this says it all: reproduce this "thermal effect" with a dummy >>>> load.
I reproduce that frequently. When I open the door of a hot oven and let
the door ajar, I feel a hot wind coming out. This wind from the oven has >>> more force than your PNN. The oven does not need to be any hotter than
your PNN gets.
Alain Fournier
that is not a valid comparison, we don't put pnn into an oven. But
again, reproduce this thrust with a coax cable that powers a dummy
load so that you can say that "thermal effects" move the prototype,
and you have to reproduce that on a milligrams scale in both
directions up and down.
Go!
Is there any reason why the oven has that thermal effect, but your PNN
that you heat to 220?C would not have a thermal effect?
Alain Fournier
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:54:22 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Is there any reason why the oven has that thermal effect, but your
PNN that you heat to 220°C would not have a thermal effect?
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:54:22 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Is there any reason why the oven has that thermal effect, but your
PNN that you heat to 220°C would not have a thermal effect?
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up
after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:54:22 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Is there any reason why the oven has that thermal effect, but your PNN
that you heat to 220?C would not have a thermal effect?
Alain Fournier
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
On Aug/12/2022 at 07:56, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:54:22 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Is there any reason why the oven has that thermal effect, but your PNN
that you heat to 220?C would not have a thermal effect?
Alain Fournier
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I already told you, that graph looks very much to what one would expect
if the thrust is from a thermal effect. The thrust increases with time
after putting the power on, that seems to be because once power is on,
the heat increases with time. Then with power off, you still have some >thrust. After cutting off power you have thrust that decreases with
time. That seems to be because the thing is still hot but cooling down.
Why would your thruster keep on providing thrust with the power off.
When I cut off the power to the engine of my car, I get zero thrust, the >thrust doesn't decrease with time, it goes to zero (I have an electric
car, the engine does not run at a lower regime when I release the >accelerator). And if I give let's say 20 kW of power to my engine, I get >constant thrust from the moment I give it 20 kW, it does not increase
with time at a constant power level.
Alain Fournier
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up
after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up
after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is
switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what
you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of
us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group
on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in
this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature
and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up
after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is
switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what
you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of
us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up
after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is
switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what
you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of
us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group
on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in
this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature
and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what
you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group
on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I
think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in
this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature
and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in
this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature
and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to >produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 18:48:34 UTC+2 Doctor Who ha scritto:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:43:12 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :we insist that the thrust is due to the electromagnetic impulse, no
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once >> >>> you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
which isn't our case!
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-)
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-)
If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will >> >give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have >> >thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you >> >want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournier
thermal effect can achieve such a thrust measured on a scale in both
directions (up and down).
Secondo questo imbecille col botto uno scaldino a batterie e con telecomando si alleggerisce o appesantisce su una bilancia ...
per la variazione di massa dovrebbe essere una bomba atomica :-)
Non c'è utilità a parlare con questi deficienti TOTALI
e lalloinfatti, arragliano come i gotha, io li inserirei nella gothalist majalagarden!
e lallo
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 19:47:17 UTC+2 Doctor Who ha scritto: >> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT), pnn calmagorod
<calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 18:48:34 UTC+2 Doctor Who ha scritto:infatti, arragliano come i gotha, io li inserirei nella gothalist
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 12:43:12 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/10/2022 at 11:20, pnn calmagorod wrote :we insist that the thrust is due to the electromagnetic impulse, no
Il giorno mercoledì 10 agosto 2022 alle 16:49:06 UTC+2 Otto J. Makela ha scritto:
Doctor Who <d...@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:42:09 +0300, o...@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:Unfortunately, still to be proven. We'll be suitably impressed once >> >> >>> you are able to reproduce the claimed thrust effects in a vacuum.
Alain Fournier <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:
You haven't worded that right. Thermal effects can produce real
thrust, not just illusion of thrust. Of course such thrust
disappears in a vacuum.
Indeed, you are correct. Sorry for the inaccuracy, I should have said
"thermal effects, which produce the illusion of a reactionless drive".
which isn't our case!
H.Lorentz obtained nobel prize for his Lorentz force without no experiments in vacuum :-)
more i never seem the measures of gold weight on a scale under vacuum :-)
You dont't want see the elementary facts then invent ridicoulus and very expensive for us conditions.
Then why with your allucinan theories don't reply to this? :
with Asps PNN (with batteries .. and remote control) if on a scale we have thrust in a direction ... at 180 degree we have ANTI thrust :-)
we repeat this many times :-)
so you must invent something of realistic to explain such MANY facts :-)
If you heat one side of your gizmo more than the other side you will
push air molecules harder on one side than on the other side. This will >> >> >give you some thrust. If you turn your gizmo 180 degrees, you will have >> >> >thrust in the other direction. You can repeat that as many times as you >> >> >want. That is not non-Newtonian propulsion.
Alain Fournier
thermal effect can achieve such a thrust measured on a scale in both
directions (up and down).
Secondo questo imbecille col botto uno scaldino a batterie e con telecomando si alleggerisce o appesantisce su una bilancia ...
per la variazione di massa dovrebbe essere una bomba atomica :-)
Non c'è utilità a parlare con questi deficienti TOTALI
e lallo
majalagarden!
sono zero di zero ...non posso perdere troppo tempo con questi imbecilli rincoglioniti dalle scorregge dei razzi
e lallo
e lallo
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:27:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what
you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of
us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
acceleration increases in time with the same power output.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:27:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
acceleration increases in time with the same power output.
This is exactly what one would expect of a thermal effect: the "thrust" >increases as the device gets warmer, and then once power is switched off >starts slowly falling as the device cools down.
What I would expect of a non-thermal thrust effect is that it starts
(at least nearly) immediately as power is applied and also dies down
almost immediately when power is switched off.
If this is a thermal effect, at some device temperature there should
come a saturation of "thrust" produced, but this point may be beyond
what you can safely test without damaging your electronics.
One test that might yield us some interesting data points is to plot how
well the device temperature correlates with the "thrust" produced. >Contactless infrared thermometers exist.
On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:43:40 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:27:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
acceleration increases in time with the same power output.
This is exactly what one would expect of a thermal effect: the "thrust"
increases as the device gets warmer, and then once power is switched off
starts slowly falling as the device cools down.
What I would expect of a non-thermal thrust effect is that it starts
(at least nearly) immediately as power is applied and also dies down
almost immediately when power is switched off.
If this is a thermal effect, at some device temperature there should
come a saturation of "thrust" produced, but this point may be beyond
what you can safely test without damaging your electronics.
One test that might yield us some interesting data points is to plot how
well the device temperature correlates with the "thrust" produced.
Contactless infrared thermometers exist.
do the experiment!
On Aug/15/2022 at 11:46, Doctor Who wrote :
On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 17:43:40 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:27:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
acceleration increases in time with the same power output.wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this? >>>>
This is exactly what one would expect of a thermal effect: the "thrust"
increases as the device gets warmer, and then once power is switched off >>> starts slowly falling as the device cools down.
What I would expect of a non-thermal thrust effect is that it starts
(at least nearly) immediately as power is applied and also dies down
almost immediately when power is switched off.
If this is a thermal effect, at some device temperature there should
come a saturation of "thrust" produced, but this point may be beyond
what you can safely test without damaging your electronics.
One test that might yield us some interesting data points is to plot how >>> well the device temperature correlates with the "thrust" produced.
Contactless infrared thermometers exist.
do the experiment!
Why would he, or anyone of us, spend time, effort and money for that? We >don't care all that much about your gizmo. We think that you are wasting
your time on it. But that's not a problem for us, if you want to waste
your time, that's OK. Just don't expect us to waste too much time on it.
Alain Fournier
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this?
(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in
this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature
and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to >produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this? >>>>
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in >>>> this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature >>>> and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to >>produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you as it has granted a
patent.
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this? >>>>
said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in >>>> this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust
increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature >>>> and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to
produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you as it has granted a
patent.
Le Aug/15/2022 à 13:29, Doctor Who a écrit :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you >>>>> said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>>>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this? >>>>>
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>>>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in >>>>> this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust >>>>> increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature >>>>> and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to
produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you as it has granted a
patent.
Nope. The patent office does not verify that an invention does work. It
is the responsibility of the inventor to verify that his invention
works. If you buy something, let's say a computer, and it does not work.
You can't sue the patent office even if they patented the computer, the >patent does not in any way guaranty the thing works. You can only sue
the computer maker. It is the responsibility of the seller to verify the >thing works, not the responsibility of the patent office.
Alain Fournier
Le Aug/15/2022 à 13:29, Doctor Who a écrit :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 10:57, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:34:48 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
On Aug/12/2022 at 09:27, Otto J. Makela wrote :
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:(Doctor Who: I am somewhat speculating about the meaning of what you >>>>> said. If what you meant is different, I'm sorry for misleading the group >>>>> on what you meant. If so please do rephrase what you mean.)
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:07:10 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>>>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
yes, first, the thrust is growing with a particular graph
http://www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg
This graphic means the thrust grows at parity of power.
no thermal effect can achieve that.
I'd like to point out that the fact that the "thrust" slowly grows up >>>>>>>> after power is switched on, and then slowly ramps down after power is >>>>>>>> switched off looks very much like a thermal effect.
wrong again,
no thermal effect can grow thrust in time at parity of power.
You already said that, but unfortunately I don't quite understand what >>>>>> you mean by that. The issue probably stems from the fact that neither of >>>>>> us is a native English speaker. Can you please try to expand on this? >>>>>
Maybe because I can speak Italian, I think I understand what he means. I >>>>> think that he thinks that a thermal effect could not have thrust
increasing while the power source is maintained at a constant level (in >>>>> this case the power is constant at 250 W).
My opinion is the opposite, a thermal effect would indeed see thrust >>>>> increase with time, or more precisely thrust increases with temperature >>>>> and the temperature would increase with time.
Alain Fournier
try to make the experiment and tell us the result.
try to achieve 20 grams of thrust with a dummy load.
I told you. I get more thrust than that with my hot oven when I leave
the door ajar.
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the first to
produce thrust by thermal effect.
Alain Fournier
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you as it has granted a
patent.
Nope. The patent office does not verify that an invention does work. It
is the responsibility of the inventor to verify that his invention
works. If you buy something, let's say a computer, and it does not work.
You can't sue the patent office even if they patented the computer, the >patent does not in any way guaranty the thing works. You can only sue
the computer maker. It is the responsibility of the seller to verify the >thing works, not the responsibility of the patent office.
Alain Fournier
the patent has the following properties:
- Novelty
- Industrial Application
- Creative activity
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the
first to produce thrust by thermal effect.
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you
as it has granted a patent.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:06:53 -0400, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:
Similar experiments have been done by others. You are not the
first to produce thrust by thermal effect.
the European Patent Office doesn't think like you
as it has granted a patent.
Firstly, a patent does not mean the process described there works.
The only exception to this have been perpetual motion devices, since the >hucksters selling those have been using "patented" as a sales incentive.
Secondly, what is the granted patent number, so we can look up details?
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:29:52 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
the European Patent Office doesn't think like youFirstly, a patent does not mean the process described there works.
as it has granted a patent.
The only exception to this have been perpetual motion devices, since
the hucksters selling those have been using "patented" as a sales
incentive.
Secondly, what is the granted patent number, so we can look up
details?
Dr. Lorenzo Marrucci of the University of Naples writes IN FACT:
"The fact that the Lorentz force ......................... can
violate Newton's 3rd principle (in its traditional formulation) is
well known, any physicist with good training knows this. The
reason (as Fabri also writes in the short paper he provided me)
... the existence of a net resultant not zero on the V dipole
seems to me correct and plausible .......... "
Do you understand what makes them go wild?
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:29:52 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
the European Patent Office doesn't think like youFirstly, a patent does not mean the process described there works.
as it has granted a patent.
The only exception to this have been perpetual motion devices, since
the hucksters selling those have been using "patented" as a sales
incentive.
Secondly, what is the granted patent number, so we can look up
details?
Dr. Lorenzo Marrucci of the University of Naples writes IN FACT:
"The fact that the Lorentz force ......................... can
violate Newton's 3rd principle (in its traditional formulation) is
well known, any physicist with good training knows this. The
reason (as Fabri also writes in the short paper he provided me)
... the existence of a net resultant not zero on the V dipole
seems to me correct and plausible .......... "
Do you understand what makes them go wild?
If the patent has already been granted, as you again claim above,
the process is under its protection, and there is absolutely no
reason to withhold its number from the public.
The only conclusion we can make of this is that there is (at least as
of yet) no patent. I look forward to you proving me wrong on this.
----
And for some reason you neglected to copy-paste the complete text,
ostensibly from professor Marrucci http://wpage.unina.it/lomarruc/
However, it should be compensated for by the unbalanced
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding
the dipole, so that the total momentum remains preserved. I
don’t have time to attempt an explicit calculation to
evaluate my claim in detail, but I’m pretty sure that’s the
case. This means that the experiment in question is not
wrong, indeed it is also interesting, but it is not as
revolutionary as you seem to think. In practice it is a form
of reaction propulsion in which there is no eject material
but in its place there are electromagnetic waves radiated in
the opposite direction to where you want to move. If this
principle could be made practical and energy efficient it
could perhaps be interesting for some applications.
-- https://neolegesmotus.com/2021/01/18/violation-of-momentum-conservation-in-high-energy-colliders/
He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the dipole,
but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known laws of >preservation of momentum.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
You are becoming unpleasant to me, and I will not talk to you anymore,
from now on the only comments you will see will be of PNN Calmagorod,
he is the project leader.
Is a question on the existence of a patent too embarrassing for you?
Also, you seem to misunderstand what "kill files" are in the Usenet context.
You are becoming unpleasant to me, and I will not talk to you anymore,
from now on the only comments you will see will be of PNN Calmagorod,
he is the project leader.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:05:07 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Is a question on the existence of a patent too embarrassing for you?
Also, you seem to misunderstand what "kill files" are in the Usenet context.
the patent exists, it hasn't been published yet.
but yo useem to undergo the enemy path.
The fact that you see that you have "enemies" speaks volumes about you,
not so much about me. When can we expect the publication to happen?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:05:07 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Is a question on the existence of a patent too embarrassing for you?
Also, you seem to misunderstand what "kill files" are in the Usenet context.
the patent exists, it hasn't been published yet.
but yo useem to undergo the enemy path.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:29:52 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
the European Patent Office doesn't think like youFirstly, a patent does not mean the process described there works.
as it has granted a patent.
The only exception to this have been perpetual motion devices, since
the hucksters selling those have been using "patented" as a sales
incentive.
Secondly, what is the granted patent number, so we can look up
details?
Dr. Lorenzo Marrucci of the University of Naples writes IN FACT:
"The fact that the Lorentz force ......................... can
violate Newton's 3rd principle (in its traditional formulation) is
well known, any physicist with good training knows this. The
reason (as Fabri also writes in the short paper he provided me)
... the existence of a net resultant not zero on the V dipole
seems to me correct and plausible .......... "
Do you understand what makes them go wild?
If the patent has already been granted, as you again claim above,
the process is under its protection, and there is absolutely no
reason to withhold its number from the public.
The only conclusion we can make of this is that there is (at least as
of yet) no patent. I look forward to you proving me wrong on this.
----
And for some reason you neglected to copy-paste the complete text,
ostensibly from professor Marrucci http://wpage.unina.it/lomarruc/
However, it should be compensated for by the unbalanced
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding
the dipole, so that the total momentum remains preserved. I
don’t have time to attempt an explicit calculation to
evaluate my claim in detail, but I’m pretty sure that’s the
case. This means that the experiment in question is not
wrong, indeed it is also interesting, but it is not as
revolutionary as you seem to think. In practice it is a form
of reaction propulsion in which there is no eject material
but in its place there are electromagnetic waves radiated in
the opposite direction to where you want to move. If this
principle could be made practical and energy efficient it
could perhaps be interesting for some applications.
-- https://neolegesmotus.com/2021/01/18/violation-of-momentum-conservation-in-high-energy-colliders/
He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the dipole,
but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known laws of >preservation of momentum.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 20:19:36 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
The fact that you see that you have "enemies" speaks volumes about you,
not so much about me. When can we expect the publication to happen?
we said December 2022 already.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:17:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the
dipole, but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known
laws of preservation of momentum.
whatever you want to call it, it works, the device is not a scam.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:17:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the
dipole, but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known
laws of preservation of momentum.
whatever you want to call it, it works, the device is not a scam.
If it isn't reactionless, it's not new physics, unlike your claims.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:01:06 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:17:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the
dipole, but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known
laws of preservation of momentum.
whatever you want to call it, it works, the device is not a scam.
If it isn't reactionless, it's not new physics, unlike your claims.
if it wasn't reactionless, or at least action > reaction, there would
be no thrust.
On Aug/26/2022 at 14:14, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:01:06 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:17:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the
dipole, but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known
laws of preservation of momentum.
whatever you want to call it, it works, the device is not a scam.
If it isn't reactionless, it's not new physics, unlike your claims.
if it wasn't reactionless, or at least action > reaction, there would
be no thrust.
So you say but we and professor Marrucci (see Otto J. Makela's post at
11:17) disagree. Your device really seems to provide some thrust which
can be explained with Newtonian physics.
Alain Fournier
On Aug/26/2022 at 14:14, Doctor Who wrote :
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:01:06 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:17:42 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote: >>>>> He seems to be of the opinion that thrust COULD be produced by the
emission of electromagnetic waves in the space surrounding the
dipole, but that this is not "reactionless", following well-known
laws of preservation of momentum.
whatever you want to call it, it works, the device is not a scam.
If it isn't reactionless, it's not new physics, unlike your claims.
if it wasn't reactionless, or at least action > reaction, there would
be no thrust.
So you say but we and professor Marrucci (see Otto J. Makela's post at
11:17) disagree. Your device really seems to provide some thrust which
can be explained with Newtonian physics.
Alain Fournier
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