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  • The only hing of the Starship...

    From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 13:36:22 2023
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Tue Nov 21 08:48:50 2023
    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to alain245@videotron.ca on Tue Nov 21 15:12:54 2023
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:48:50 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    Alain Fournier

    bhwahahahahahahahahahaha

    yes, the only part that works well :-)

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to damarkley@gmail.com on Tue Nov 21 17:14:03 2023
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:47:44 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:48:50 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    Alain Fournier
    bhwahahahahahahahahahaha

    yes, the only part that works well :-)

    How's YOUR starship working? Get it off the napkin yet?

    it is being engineered at smooth pace, we don't incur in your
    spasmodic urgency....

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Tue Nov 21 07:47:44 2023
    On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:12:57 AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:48:50 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first >flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    Alain Fournier
    bhwahahahahahahahahahaha

    yes, the only part that works well :-)

    How's YOUR starship working? Get it off the napkin yet?

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  • From Niklas Holsti@21:1/5 to Niklas Holsti on Tue Nov 21 23:02:13 2023
    On 2023-11-21 22:39, Niklas Holsti wrote:
    On 2023-11-21 15:48, Alain Fournier wrote:
    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    For the Superheavy booster, yes - or so it seems from the big bang
    observed. But it seems that the Starship's payload bay and nose-cone
    survived the second-stage FTS activation, although separated from the
    tank and engine sections. Video was captured from the Florida Keys: https://youtu.be/56r_twDliOc?t=847.


    Or the original, longer and better: https://youtu.be/CTcSMh4VYow.

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  • From Niklas Holsti@21:1/5 to Alain Fournier on Tue Nov 21 22:39:18 2023
    On 2023-11-21 15:48, Alain Fournier wrote:
    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second flight.


    For the Superheavy booster, yes - or so it seems from the big bang
    observed. But it seems that the Starship's payload bay and nose-cone
    survived the second-stage FTS activation, although separated from the
    tank and engine sections. Video was captured from the Florida Keys: https://youtu.be/56r_twDliOc?t=847. Whether this is an FTS failure
    depends on what SpaceX wanted to happen. At least propulsion was
    terminated, even if a big chunk of the ship was left flying.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Wed Nov 22 08:55:35 2023
    On 21-Nov-23 11:36 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    The launch pad was undamaged.

    Hot staging worked OK.

    There appears to be an issue related to the turn back of the booster
    that will have to be examined. Perhaps an interaction between the
    angular velocity and the fuel flow.

    Starship itself lost some tiles, and that will have to be addressed.

    The oxygen flow in Starship increased towards the end of the burn.
    Perhaps a leak.

    For the second test flight of the biggest rocket ever, and the world's
    first fully reusable design, I'd say SpaceX can be pretty happy with the result.

    How's your own first test flight coming along?

    Sylvia.

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  • From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Tue Nov 21 19:14:11 2023
    On 2023-11-21 4:55 p.m., Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 21-Nov-23 11:36 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    The launch pad was undamaged.

    Hot staging worked OK.

    I'm not sure about that. Both the booster and the second stage failed
    shortly after staging. The second stage had been tested and seemed to
    work well when used without staging. It is quite possible that the hot
    staging caused the future failures. Of course, this is only speculation.
    During flight, the staging did seem to go well.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Alain Fournier on Wed Nov 22 13:22:55 2023
    On 22-Nov-23 11:14 am, Alain Fournier wrote:
    On 2023-11-21 4:55 p.m., Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 21-Nov-23 11:36 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    The launch pad was undamaged.

    Hot staging worked OK.

    I'm not sure about that. Both the booster and the second stage failed
    shortly after staging. The second stage had been tested and seemed to
    work well when used without staging. It is quite possible that the hot staging caused the future failures. Of course, this is only speculation. During flight, the staging did seem to go well.


    Alain Fournier


    Scott Manley pointed out that the booster engines restarted after the
    staging, but then progressively failed.

    Starship flew on fine until its fuel was nearly exhausted, when the
    oxygen flow increased, while the methane flow didn't.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to Alain Fournier on Wed Nov 22 08:29:52 2023
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 19:14:11 -0500, Alain Fournier wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 4:55 p.m., Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 21-Nov-23 11:36 pm, Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    The launch pad was undamaged.

    Hot staging worked OK.

    I'm not sure about that. Both the booster and the second stage failed
    shortly after staging. The second stage had been tested and seemed to
    work well when used without staging. It is quite possible that the hot staging caused the future failures. Of course, this is only speculation. During flight, the staging did seem to go well.

    Hot staging is hardly new - it's been a feature of every Titan since the
    1950s. Of course, with the Titan, they weren't looking to fly the booster back.
    If you're looking for a way to ensure that the propellants in the upper
    stage are properly settled, and you need it simple, it's a fair solution.


    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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  • From Peter Stickney@21:1/5 to Doctor Who on Wed Nov 22 08:24:39 2023
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 17:14:03 +0100, Doctor Who wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:47:44 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:48:50 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second
    flight.


    Alain Fournier
    bhwahahahahahahahahahaha

    yes, the only part that works well :-)

    How's YOUR starship working? Get it off the napkin yet?

    it is being engineered at smooth pace, we don't incur in your spasmodic urgency....

    In other words, he lost his crayons. Have you tried looking under the
    sofa?

    --
    Peter Stickney
    Java Man knew nothing about coffee

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  • From Doctor Who@21:1/5 to p_stickney@verizon.net on Wed Nov 22 10:22:52 2023
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:24:39 -0000 (UTC), Peter Stickney <p_stickney@verizon.net> wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 17:14:03 +0100, Doctor Who wrote:

    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:47:44 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
    <damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 08:48:50 -0500, Alain Fournier
    <alai...@videotron.ca> wrote:

    On 2023-11-21 7:36 a.m., Doctor Who wrote:
    that always work well is the autodestruction system :-)

    and lallo

    I think that the autodestruct system did not work well on the first
    flight. They improved it and it worked flawlessly on the second
    flight.


    Alain Fournier
    bhwahahahahahahahahahaha

    yes, the only part that works well :-)

    How's YOUR starship working? Get it off the napkin yet?

    it is being engineered at smooth pace, we don't incur in your spasmodic
    urgency....

    In other words, he lost his crayons. Have you tried looking under the
    sofa?

    can you explain your phrase in simple words? is it humour?

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