• Hexagon Spy Satellite

    From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 03:04:30 2023
    Hexagon KH-9 satellite
    It was declassified in 2011, but just stumbled on it.

    Spy Museum interview with Phil Presser, designer of the camera system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWlw8Ufo6Q (40 minutes)


    The prototype satellite used to debug working ones was sent to Wright
    Patterson Air Force Museum:web page for hexagon:

    https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195921/hexagon-kh-9-reconnaissance-satellite/


    Phil Presser presenting in front of the satellite : (1 hour)

    https://youtu.be/GtmtYlcPYYA


    The film was 16.6cm wide , and rolls contained 32,000 metres of filk at
    first and later increateed to 48,000 metres (that is 30 US miles of
    film) Made by Kodak. There were 2 cameras each with their own supply
    of film. Film was fed from huge wheels onto rotating cameras (so they
    could do a panorama spanning 120° angle onto very wide stereo picture)
    About 600km * 16km of ground was photographed in each shot.

    Exposed film was spooled into one of 4 returning capsules which when
    full, would be commanded to detach, deorbit and deploy parachute. And
    they were able to succesfully capture the dropping capsuled with planes
    before they reached ground. 75 of the 76 returning capsules were
    succesfully captured in flight by the planes (one failed to deploy
    parachurte and was recovered from bottom of Pacific Ocean (though no
    usable imagery)

    SpaceX had tried to recover fairings as I recall and abandonned it. This
    was "routine" back in the 1970s and early 1980s while this program lasted.

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  • From Snidely@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 02:34:03 2023
    JF Mezei pounded on thar keyboard to tell us

    SpaceX had tried to recover fairings as I recall and abandonned it.

    SpaceX routinely reflies recovered fairings. It does not use airplanes
    to catch the fairings in the air.

    This
    was "routine" back in the 1970s and early 1980s while this program lasted.

    You may be amused to know that Rocket Labs has caught a booster with a helicopter (once for a booster that had just launched and then
    separated from the second stage). Electron is smaller than a Falcon 9,
    but still gave the copter crew problems with flight dynamics. Turns
    out to be cheaper and just about as effective to pluck the booster out
    of the water.

    /dps

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  • From Snidely@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 02:36:09 2023
    JF Mezei noted that:
    Hexagon KH-9 satellite
    It was declassified in 2011, but just stumbled on it.

    ISTR recall a lot of discussion of these satellites in SS* in the past,
    and I'm pretty sure that was how I got my links to variours web pages
    with varying amounts of detail.

    /dps

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  • From Torbjorn Lindgren@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Wed Jul 5 15:37:55 2023
    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
    Exposed film was spooled into one of 4 returning capsules which when
    full, would be commanded to detach, deorbit and deploy parachute. And
    they were able to succesfully capture the dropping capsuled with planes >before they reached ground. 75 of the 76 returning capsules were
    succesfully captured in flight by the planes (one failed to deploy
    parachurte and was recovered from bottom of Pacific Ocean (though no
    usable imagery)

    SpaceX had tried to recover fairings as I recall and abandonned it. This
    was "routine" back in the 1970s and early 1980s while this program lasted.

    IIRC a recent flight they mentioned that it was the first time a
    fairing half was on on it's 10th flight! Some of the early ones were
    in fact caught in nets before they switched to exclusively "wet"
    recovery. They were fairly good at catching them by the end.

    Fairings are pretty much very large sails so it's VERY different from
    catching a dedicated recover capsule. Yes, they gave up on dry
    recovery because even with the additional refurbishment it was cheaper
    to just do a wet recovery (especially since they needed two boats, one
    for each fairing half).

    AFAIK no one else has even tried recovering a fairing yet? and the
    ones that plan to try are all pretty far in the future.

    Likewise many are planning to TRY to recover their booster sometime in
    the future, Electron will likely be first (and soon) but that is a
    MUCH smaller rocket, IE 300kg to LEO vs 22800kg to LEO, both fully-expended/non-recover numbers. Or 549T vs 12.5T at launch.

    And while they initially wanted to catch it with a helicopter and did
    even catch one but had to release it for safety reasons, they've now
    switched to a similar "let it splash down in water and we'll recover
    and refurbish".

    Rocket Lab could of course change their mind later (though propulsive
    landing is never going to be possible for a rocket that small) but
    AFAIK most of their plans beyond this is centered around their
    significantly larger Neutron rocket (slightly smaller than Falcon 9,
    15000kg LEO expended).

    Rocket Lab Neutron rocket is notable in this context for how it
    handles the fairing, it's the only rocket proposal I can think of
    where the fairing is actually integrated into the first stage,
    basically the second stage "fly out" of the first stage & fairing
    assembly. And they plan to recover booster with fairing similar to how
    SpaceX recovers the Falcon 9 booster (IE, downrange landing with some
    payload loss, return-to-launchsite with larger payload hit)

    Meanwhile SpaceX has one Falcon 9 booster that has done 15 successful
    landings and several others are not far behind.

    204 landings out of 215 attemps (both are higher now) is an
    astonishing record for something pretty much every expert said
    couldn't be done when they announce their plan. And almost all these
    failures are early failures, it was a while since the blew past 100
    successfull *successive* landings. For a secondary, non-mission
    critical step...

    Yes, a lot of SpaceX's development times ended up being on "Elon time"
    (IE ~3x early on, the factor goes down as it's get closer to launch).

    But lets be fair, are there even one entirely new rocket in the last
    two decades that WASN'T massively behind the schedule? It's not even
    restricted to the US, Europe, Russia, India and China is just as bad.

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