• Starship poll

    From Alain Fournier@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 19 17:39:47 2023
    Please vote on your forecast for Starship:

    1) Kaboum
    2) Goes to Hawaii
    3) Scrubbed
    4) Other

    If you vote for other, please specify. Such as:
    Other - Starship reaches Indian Ocean.

    I am an optimist. I vote 2.


    Alain Fournier

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  • From Snidely@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 06:45:45 2023
    Alain Fournier noted that:
    Please vote on your forecast for Starship:

    1) Kaboum
    2) Goes to Hawaii
    3) Scrubbed
    4) Other

    If you vote for other, please specify. Such as:
    Other - Starship reaches Indian Ocean.

    I am an optimist. I vote 2.


    Alain Fournier

    Not today, Alain. Raptor 2s kept flaming out, and steering control was
    lost. FTS fired before stage separation.

    /dps

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  • From Snidely@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 08:09:48 2023
    On Thursday, Snidely exclaimed wildly:
    Alain Fournier noted that:
    Please vote on your forecast for Starship:

    1) Kaboum
    2) Goes to Hawaii
    3) Scrubbed
    4) Other

    If you vote for other, please specify. Such as:
    Other - Starship reaches Indian Ocean.

    I am an optimist. I vote 2.


    Alain Fournier

    Not today, Alain. Raptor 2s kept flaming out, and steering control was lost.
    FTS fired before stage separation.

    /dps

    I wonder how much the youtube datacenter power consumption spiked
    during launch?

    -d

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to Snidely on Fri Apr 21 14:58:55 2023
    On 2023-04-20 09:45, Snidely wrote:

    Not today, Alain. Raptor 2s kept flaming out, and steering control was
    lost. FTS fired before stage separation.

    The talking mouths on the SPaceX broadcast (why can't they just put on
    the real internal loop of controlers) said that MECO was coming up and
    that separation would follow, so when it started to flip around, I
    though it was part of their fancy way to separate. Then the announcer
    continued with separation pending message before it became apparent
    speration wasn't happening and then not even fireworks, more like
    popping water filled ballons.


    Since there were engines out, I have to assume stage 1 would have fired
    for longer before MECO and stage separation, right? would the talking
    heads have this info, or woudl they stick to script of MECO + separation happening at specific time?

    For as much as we complained about NASA TV, they had far less "talking
    heads" than SpaceX, and expecially the very annoying constant applause
    and cheering (shoudln't they be serious and listenin to every word?) by
    staff in Los Angeles.


    I am very curious to on how close to actual adjusted MECO and stage
    separation it got to or whether it started to spin out and require
    somone press the big red button well before reaching MECO?


    At that poit some 39km in air, would "range safety" become a factor in triggering the explosives or would the rocket have been safely away from
    any land that it spinning out of control was no longer a concern for
    "range safety" ?

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  • From Snidely@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 21 17:37:59 2023
    On Friday, JF Mezei yelped out that:
    On 2023-04-20 09:45, Snidely wrote:

    Not today, Alain. Raptor 2s kept flaming out, and steering control was
    lost. FTS fired before stage separation.

    The talking mouths

    your maturity is slipping

    on the SPaceX broadcast (why can't they just put on
    the real internal loop of controlers)

    that was supposed to be available on a seperate ewtoob channel, but the controllers do a lot of the polling via computer input rather than the
    voice loop.

    said that MECO was coming up and
    that separation would follow, so when it started to flip around, I
    though it was part of their fancy way to separate. Then the announcer continued with separation pending message before it became apparent
    speration wasn't happening and then not even fireworks, more like
    popping water filled ballons.


    Since there were engines out, I have to assume stage 1 would have fired
    for longer before MECO and stage separation, right?

    yes

    would the talking
    heads have this info, or woudl they stick to script of MECO + separation happening at specific time?

    Unclear. Compare NASA coverage of the last flight of Challenger and of
    the last landing of Columbia.

    They would have had at least as much of the telemetry as SpaceX
    displayed to us, and in the past John Innsbruck has obviously had
    updates that weren't on the overlay. I was focused on the NSF cameras
    for most of the launch, and haven't finished replaying the official
    channel.

    NSF had some very good tracking, both manual remote control and
    automated. Everyday Astronaut's team had a very good manual track as
    well.

    For as much as we complained about NASA TV, they had far less "talking
    heads" than SpaceX,

    Really? Have you listened to the NASA coverage of the Crew launches?

    and expecially the very annoying constant applause
    and cheering (shoudln't they be serious and listenin to every word?) by staff in Los Angeles.

    If they weren't excited about working on rockets and seeing them go,
    perhaps they shouldn't be working on rockets.

    Did you see the cheering and applause on both sides of the Atlantic
    when ESA launched JUICE?


    I am very curious to on how close to actual adjusted MECO and stage separation it got to or whether it started to spin out and require
    somone press the big red button well before reaching MECO?

    Not close. Yes.

    At that poit some 39km in air, would "range safety" become a factor in triggering the explosives or would the rocket have been safely away from
    any land that it spinning out of control was no longer a concern for
    "range safety" ?

    The FTS produced a flash that GOES West's lightning track picked up,
    well out over the gulf. If loss of control had happened earlier, there
    would have been a quicker trigger, rather than allowing structural data
    to be collected. Scott Manley notes that at the time of termination,
    the rocket had stopped continuing upwards and was starting to descend.

    /dps

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