Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
People are blind to many forms of racism. With a legacy of hundreds of years,
racism is steeped into our culture so deeply that many forms go unchecked. People continue to use these heavily tainted aspects with no thought at all about the roots of where these things came from.
As evidenced on this forum, people do not care that the Apollo 16 landing site
has been branded with racist symbolism. People care even less that the clocks
that NASA uses continue to promote a racist legacy.
There are other examples beside clocks and Stone Mountain. We could play 'Spot
the Racism', if anyone was game.
Here's one that was pointed out earlier...
Astronaut Jan Davis flying her "WASP" pennant, her alma mater Georgia Tech: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/99/a8/1e99a8199ad5075b1a39eb89be0f559b.jpg
As for the clocks, no one complains about it. The voices of the people who care
has been squashed so thoroughly that their voice is not even heard anymore.
Anyone interested in more examples? Here is a list of NASA aircraft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_aircraft
There are several examples of officially sanctioned racism by NASA right there.
It continues through to today. And nobody cares.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
But these things being highlighted here span from today all the way back to the
very beginnings of NASA and earlier. So I see them to be quite fitting for discussion among those with an interest in space history.
~ CT
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 12:43:12 AM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
People are blind to many forms of racism. With a legacy of hundreds of years,
racism is steeped into our culture so deeply that many forms go unchecked.
People continue to use these heavily tainted aspects with no thought at all
about the roots of where these things came from.
As evidenced on this forum, people do not care that the Apollo 16 landing site
has been branded with racist symbolism. People care even less that the clocks
that NASA uses continue to promote a racist legacy.
There are other examples beside clocks and Stone Mountain. We could play 'Spot
the Racism', if anyone was game.
Here's one that was pointed out earlier...
Astronaut Jan Davis flying her "WASP" pennant, her alma mater Georgia Tech: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/99/a8/1e99a8199ad5075b1a39eb89be0f559b.jpg
As for the clocks, no one complains about it. The voices of the people who care
has been squashed so thoroughly that their voice is not even heard anymore.
Anyone interested in more examples? Here is a list of NASA aircraft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_aircraft
There are several examples of officially sanctioned racism by NASA right there.
It continues through to today. And nobody cares.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
But these things being highlighted here span from today all the way back to the
very beginnings of NASA and earlier. So I see them to be quite fitting for
discussion among those with an interest in space history.
What is wrong with you?
From Dean Markley:
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 12:43:12 AM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
People are blind to many forms of racism. With a legacy of hundreds of years,
racism is steeped into our culture so deeply that many forms go unchecked.
People continue to use these heavily tainted aspects with no thought at all
about the roots of where these things came from.
As evidenced on this forum, people do not care that the Apollo 16 landing site
has been branded with racist symbolism. People care even less that the clocks
that NASA uses continue to promote a racist legacy.
There are other examples beside clocks and Stone Mountain. We could play 'Spot
the Racism', if anyone was game.
Here's one that was pointed out earlier...
Astronaut Jan Davis flying her "WASP" pennant, her alma mater Georgia Tech:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/99/a8/1e99a8199ad5075b1a39eb89be0f559b.jpg
As for the clocks, no one complains about it. The voices of the people who care
has been squashed so thoroughly that their voice is not even heard anymore.
Anyone interested in more examples? Here is a list of NASA aircraft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_aircraft
There are several examples of officially sanctioned racism by NASA right there.
It continues through to today. And nobody cares.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
But these things being highlighted here span from today all the way back to the
very beginnings of NASA and earlier. So I see them to be quite fitting for
discussion among those with an interest in space history.
What is wrong with you?
Ok, that's 2 people who aren't interested in hearing how clocks are racist.fits with the essential theme of the discussion in the wake of John Young's death this month...
As for what exactly "is wrong", I myself am of the opinion that it is the racism that is the problem, not the person who is wanting to shine a light on the racism.
I had first pointed this out maybe two decades ago. Not here on this forum, but over on a forum that used this same practice. They were a lot more receptive to having this called to their attention. And I'm highlighting this over here now because it
Improving sensitivity to issues that people just didn't care about for many many years. Generally known as "progress".There are many who wanted to dismiss Martin Luther King as the problem.
So what's wrong with me? I care about progress. I care about improving the human condition. I refuse to ignore that Stone Mountain has a poisonous legacy, and that horribly negative aspects of that has been transplanted up on the Moon. Etc.
It is clear that Fred, Jeff, and apparently you, would prefer to keep your heads buried in the sand over stuff like this. Given that I am a minority of 1 here who is wanting progress on these things, it is easy to dismiss me as being the problem.
...but that didn't happen. The minority opinion gained momentum and support. People switching from the majority side. The oppressive side.
And for anyone who is curious about the clock situation, it is an entrenched oppression of what has been recently categorized as a "shithole country" in a "shithole continent".
This is not limited to NASA. It is quite possible that you own clocks and watches express this same racism. There are millions of people who support this practice, giving no thought at all to the black-skinned people who this has impacted.
(The situation with those aircraft is not about black peoples. But I see that issue to be just as important. Or perhaps more important.)
~ CT
Look, racist clocks have nothing to do with Space History. It's that simple. Multiple folks here have pointed out that your threads are off topic. Understand now?
From Dean Markley:
<snip>
Look, racist clocks have nothing to do with Space History. It's that simple. Multiple folks here have pointed out that your threads are off topic. Understand now?
One year ago your position on Debbie Reynolds was that she did not have any connection to space history ...even after the connection was pointed out.
But there is the possibility that someone here ...if not today, then perhaps at some point in the future... might be open-minded enough to consider what has to be said about this clock problem. And the other stuff too.
~ CT
From Dean Markley:
On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 12:43:12 AM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
People are blind to many forms of racism. With a legacy of hundreds of years,
racism is steeped into our culture so deeply that many forms go unchecked. >> > People continue to use these heavily tainted aspects with no thought at all
about the roots of where these things came from.
As evidenced on this forum, people do not care that the Apollo 16 landing site
has been branded with racist symbolism. People care even less that the clocks
that NASA uses continue to promote a racist legacy.
There are other examples beside clocks and Stone Mountain. We could play 'Spot
the Racism', if anyone was game.
Here's one that was pointed out earlier...
Astronaut Jan Davis flying her "WASP" pennant, her alma mater Georgia Tech:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/99/a8/1e99a8199ad5075b1a39eb89be0f559b.jpg
As for the clocks, no one complains about it. The voices of the people who care
has been squashed so thoroughly that their voice is not even heard anymore.
Anyone interested in more examples? Here is a list of NASA aircraft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NASA_aircraft
There are several examples of officially sanctioned racism by NASA right there.
It continues through to today. And nobody cares.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
But these things being highlighted here span from today all the way back to the
very beginnings of NASA and earlier. So I see them to be quite fitting for
discussion among those with an interest in space history.
What is wrong with you?
Ok, that's 2 people who aren't interested in hearing how clocks are racist.
As for what exactly "is wrong", I myself am of the opinion that it is the racism that is the problem, not the person who is wanting to shine a light on the racism.
I had first pointed this out maybe two decades ago. Not here on this forum, but over on a forum that used this same practice. They were a lot more receptive to having this called to their attention.
Improving sensitivity to issues that people just didn't care about for many many years. Generally known as "progress".
So what's wrong with me?
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 11:11:22 PM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
From Dean Markley:
<snip>
Look, racist clocks have nothing to do with Space History. It's that simple. Multiple folks here have pointed out that your threads are off topic. Understand now?
One year ago your position on Debbie Reynolds was that she did not have any connection to space history ...even after the connection was pointed out.
But there is the possibility that someone here ...if not today, then perhaps at some point in the future... might be open-minded enough to consider what has to be said about this clock problem. And the other stuff too.
Well sure, give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time and he'll eventually bang out all of Shakespeare's plays.
Stuf4 <tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com> wrote:
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
Fact: You're an insane racist.
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
Yes. Insanity has no place here and this isn't a 'forum'.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
From Fred J. McCall:
Stuf4 <tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com> wrote:
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
here at ssh. I learned how vile human beings can be to other human beings on internet forums way back in the 90s.Fact: You're an insane racist.
Clearly something has tripped where you have made the decision to depart from rationality. Your primary focus has shifted to insults and degradation.
I am sure that there will be those who will be very interested to know just exactly how these clocks are racist. But you have made it clear that you are not one such person.
If you have no interest in this story, then you have the option to never again click on it. But what is apparent is that your interest is in verbal harassment of me. And it is because of behavior such as yours that I have never posted my actual name
I had maintained a hope that it was only a certain few members who had set the nasty environment that permeated this place, and that when they died off, things might be reasonably respectful. But clearly I was mistaken. Or rather, I was mistaken in *who* I was identifying as the source of such vile behavior.
It could also be concluded that violence is inherently embedded as integral to the human condition, and that if the world population were reduced to just 2 people, one would kill the other.around, that person might find my decades long records of effort spent on the interwebs motivated by a desire that things might improve, even if just by a little bit.
Here again, I would like to think that it would make a world of difference depending on *who* those 2 people were. I am certain that if it were me, I would have absolutely no violence in words or actions toward the other. And if a computer were
...by pointing out things like racism that billions of other people appear to be perfectly content in ignoring.
You are so keen to see that it is actually the person pointing out racism who is the problem.
~ CT
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic for this forum.
Yes. Insanity has no place here and this isn't a 'forum'.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 7:46:42 AM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:<snip>
name here at ssh. I learned how vile human beings can be to other human beings on internet forums way back in the 90s.Clearly something has tripped where you have made the decision to depart from rationality. Your primary focus has shifted to insults and degradation.
I am sure that there will be those who will be very interested to know just exactly how these clocks are racist. But you have made it clear that you are not one such person.
If you have no interest in this story, then you have the option to never again click on it. But what is apparent is that your interest is in verbal harassment of me. And it is because of behavior such as yours that I have never posted my actual
*who* I was identifying as the source of such vile behavior.I had maintained a hope that it was only a certain few members who had set the nasty environment that permeated this place, and that when they died off, things might be reasonably respectful. But clearly I was mistaken. Or rather, I was mistaken in
around, that person might find my decades long records of effort spent on the interwebs motivated by a desire that things might improve, even if just by a little bit.It could also be concluded that violence is inherently embedded as integral to the human condition, and that if the world population were reduced to just 2 people, one would kill the other.
Here again, I would like to think that it would make a world of difference depending on *who* those 2 people were. I am certain that if it were me, I would have absolutely no violence in words or actions toward the other. And if a computer were
<snip>...by pointing out things like racism that billions of other people appear to be perfectly content in ignoring.
You are so keen to see that it is actually the person pointing out racism who is the problem.
You're a democrat, aren't you?
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 7:46:42 AM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
From Fred J. McCall:
Stuf4 <tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com> wrote:
Fact: You're an insane racist.
Fact: NASA uses racist clocks.
Clearly something has tripped where you have made the decision to
depart from rationality. Your primary focus has shifted to insults and
degradation.
I am sure that there will be those who will be very interested to know
just exactly how these clocks are racist. But you have made it clear
that you are not one such person.
If you have no interest in this story, then you have the option to
never again click on it. But what is apparent is that your interest is
in verbal harassment of me. And it is because of behavior such as
yours that I have never posted my actual name here at ssh. I learned
how vile human beings can be to other human beings on internet forums
way back in the 90s.
I had maintained a hope that it was only a certain few members who had
set the nasty environment that permeated this place, and that when they
died off, things might be reasonably respectful. But clearly I was
mistaken. Or rather, I was mistaken in *who* I was identifying as the
source of such vile behavior.
It could also be concluded that violence is inherently embedded as
integral to the human condition, and that if the world population were
reduced to just 2 people, one would kill the other.
Here again, I would like to think that it would make a world of
difference depending on *who* those 2 people were. I am certain that
if it were me, I would have absolutely no violence in words or actions
toward the other. And if a computer were around, that person might
find my decades long records of effort spent on the interwebs motivated
by a desire that things might improve, even if just by a little bit.
...by pointing out things like racism that billions of other people
appear to be perfectly content in ignoring.
You are so keen to see that it is actually the person pointing out
racism who is the problem.
~ CT
It has been recently suggested that certain issues are Off Topic forYes. Insanity has no place here and this isn't a 'forum'.
this forum.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
You're a democrat, aren't you?
You're a democrat, aren't you?
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:37:19 -0800, Dean Markley wrote:<snip>
You're a democrat, aren't you?
No, just an idiot, although he's wandered farther afield into delusion
and, perhaps, paranoia.
Consider his "You won't have CT to kick around any more" manifesto from
29 Nov 2001, where the tried, in a passive/aggressive manner to pass
himself off as an SR-71 driving MiG Killer (Something that only exists in Martin Caiden books) Test Pilot with a purported list of firsts that even Caiden wouldn't think credible.
I never thought I'd see the day when Henry Spencer, Pat Flannery, OM,
Derek Lyons, John Beaderstat, et al would be gone, and the corridors echo with the shrieks of Stuffie, jonathan, and Bbo Hallerb.
On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, Damien Valentine wrote:
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:37:21 PM UTC-5, Dean Markley wrote:
You're a democrat, aren't you?
With respect, I think we can do without partisan insults. When somebody like this starts claiming they invented the question mark, or accuses chestnuts of being lazy, they're well beyond any comprehensible political opinion anyhow.
Oh, that wasn't a partisan insult. I was merely looking for a context. You know the old saying about arguing with fools. With that in mind, I'll just start ignoring his postings.
On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:37:21 PM UTC-5, Dean Markley wrote:
You're a democrat, aren't you?
With respect, I think we can do without partisan insults. When somebody like this starts claiming they invented the question mark, or accuses chestnuts of being lazy, they're well beyond any comprehensible political opinion anyhow.
As for that old post, there was something from that which pertains to these current batch of posts:
"I have flown multiple simulated shuttle approaches with John Young,"
I wrote:
As for that old post, there was something from that which pertains to these current batch of posts:
"I have flown multiple simulated shuttle approaches with John Young,"
It is weird to see that list dismissed as Martin Caiden fiction, because there was a LOT that had been left off of it. Such as:
- Having long talks with Chief Scientist on Apollo Moon Missions
...in his office and elsewhere,
- Having long conversations with Secretary of Military Branch
...in his office, over sipping whiskey at his house, at a huge party, etc
- Having a long walk with Chief of Staff of Military Branch
...questioning him on major policy errors he had made,
- Having lunch with 3-star Admiral, sitting next to Paul Newman
...sharing aircraft carrier stories and other flying stories,
- Being at the Superbowl with NASA families for a major Space Shuttle
anniversary, an event that I had conceived and got special approval for
overturning the decision made by OSD (SecDef),
- Long meeting and discussions with the person who invented the
Personal Computer, who is also heavily involved at NASA JSC,
who was nice enough to tell me the whole story of how his company
pulled it off,
- Face-to-face talk with other computer pioneers like Grace Hopper,
Bob Metcalfe, etc, and "The Li-Ion King" John Goodenough, etc,
- Living for years in a house frequented by Buzz Aldrin among other
Apollo astronauts for big parties and such,
- Speaking face-to-face with Sy Liebergot about his role in Apollo 13
which I have been highly critical of,
- Speaking face-to-face with Jim Oberg, who I admire,
...but have also been critical of,
- Face-to-face with Presidents like George HW Bush & Bill Clinton,
among being with others like Jimmy Carter, George W Bush & Reagan,
let alone Dan Quayle, Hillary Clinton, Barack & Michelle Obama.
- Face-to-face interaction with more than half of the Moonwalkers,
including Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin, doing stuff like giving
a ride from the airport, hanging out at mixers and formal events, etc,
(on top of official co-worker interaction as mentioned in that first post)
- Sitting next to John Young at a meeting in the astronaut office
with the only other people in the room of 20+ folks being other
pilot-astronauts,
- An astronaut give me a ride home from the airport,
- Add to the above others like more than half of the Original 7 to
include John Glenn, Jim Lovell, Fred Haise, Joe Engle, Bob Crippen,
Bruce McCandless, Bob Stewart, Gordon Fullerton,
...working side by side with many CDRs & PLTs.
- Intense face-to-face discussion with Chris Kraft about the
feasibility of sending people to Mars (I was not the one arguing
that it is a good idea, and neither was he, but there were four
of us during that interaction, one of several with Kraft),
- Face-to-face one-on-one discussion with Max Faget, George Mueller,
other face-to-face discussions with Gene Kranz, Jack Garman,
John Aaron, Glynn Lunney, Gerry Griffen, etc
- Having an office several yards from George Abbey's, another office
adjacent to a Secretary of a Military Branch,
- Many meetings with Flight Directors & astronauts, etc, injecting personal
views on tough issues, sometime just three or four people in the room,
most times several dozens of people in the room,
- Achieving better performance than John Young and all other astronauts
at very specific flight test objective,
- Multiple awards for nuclear weapons delivery performance, etc,
pilot tng, to include recognition for aggressive dogfighting skill,
- Direct interaction with CEO & VPs of the largest aerospace companies
to include Boeing & Lockheed Martin, to include multiple one-on-one
office meetings,
- One-on-one office meeting with the leading American Ace from Vietnam,
to include giving him a ride from the airport, doing woodworking
projects with him, etc, and also direct interaction with Steve Ritchie
to include assist with F-4E mission,
- Face-to-face interaction with Doolittle Raiders next to their B-25,
also playing guitar with one of Jimmy Doolittle's grandkids (a fighter
pilot close friend),
- Face-to-face interaction with Dick Rutan & Jeana Yeager after their
non-stop lap around the planet, working near Scaled Composites, having
face-to-face discussion with people like Jim Bede with his BD-10, etc,
- First flight experience in a prop plane instructed by Bob Ettinger,
recipient of the Kincheloe Trophy, the first military pilot to fly
the YF-16,
- Direct interaction with Medal of Honor recipients, to include being a
dinner guest at the house of a Vietnam War MoH recipient,
- Close friends and coworkers with several US Flight Demonstration Squadron
pilots (better known as Blue Angels/Thunderbirds) and even bandmates with
one (he was the bass player, and an amazing singer who has sung the National
Anthem at events like the Indy 500), with another close friend from one
of these teams marrying the son of a Moonwalker,
- Face-to-face discussion with several Nobel laureates, including meetings
in their office, to include one-on-one discussion, sometimes discussing
my research, other times discussing theirs,
- Showering with winner of multiple Superbowl rings, face-to-face discussion
with several team members, standing at the goal line and elsewhere on the
sideline during the Superbowl, catching a ball thrown by the opposing team
QB (one-handed), also with Donovan McNabb, etc,
- Meeting face-to-face with the head coach of the most recent World Series MVP
in his office, meeting Jim Palmer (non MLB setting), Barry Bonds moments
after he set a world record, etc,
- One-on-one interaction with Harlem Globetrotter Sweet Lou Dunbar, also
interacting with Dream Team member Clyde Drexler, being with David Robinson,
at championship game, etc,
- Professional involvement on the track with racecar drivers like Paul Tracy,
Graham Rahal, etc, on trackside with Bobby Rahal, off track with Jackie
Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, Danica Patrick, Buddy Rice, Sebastian Vettel,
Daniel Ricciardo, 'DC' Coulthard, etc,
- Face-to-face interaction with several Hollywood stars & directors, to include
Val Kilmer, Jennifer Garner, Tony Scott, Rick Linklater, Elisabeth Shue,
Vanna White, Dolores Hart (gave Elvis his first onscreen kiss), Paul Newman,
to include being backstage with Jenna Jameson, among others,
So that first list was far from complete, and even with the above, a bunch of stuff is being left out, like meeting one-on-one with Peggy Sue, the woman made famous by Buddy Holly. Or that walk I took one day with Les Paul. The first list, as well asthe above, were more focused on things that are relevant, or tangentially relevant to space history stuff. So a wealth of music stuff only barely touched on, among many many other life experiences.
I've had friends compare me to Buckaroo Banzai. If a movie was made about my life, I don't know if I'd pay to see it. Most days feel like ordinary days. Kind of boring.orders of magnitude.
And all the stuff listed here in this forum doesn't even begin to get into the life experiences that I consider to be most important. Loads of stories to share some time in the future, perhaps, if the hostility level ever gets reduced by several
So yeah, maybe I'll check back in a year, or whenever, to see if anyone then might be interested in the story of racist clocks that NASA uses to this day. One of many stories that I find fascinating, that no one else seems to care about. History isamazing. But what is perhaps even more amazing is how accurate history gets so distorted, and downright warped. It is refreshing when I find the historians who work diligently to help straighten out such a mess. The current state of space history is a
~ CT
- Long meeting and discussions with the person who invented the<snip>
Personal Computer, who is also heavily involved at NASA JSC,
who was nice enough to tell me the whole story of how his company
pulled it off,
History is amazing. But what is perhaps even more amazing is how accurate history gets so distorted, and downright warped.
Also forgot to mention...
- That day I was at Steve Wozniak's house. And then having lunch at Apple
headquarters. Woz & I share a special day. My brother would hang out at
his Segway Polo competitions.
- Giving a pitch at Google headquarters on one of my inventions. Having
one-on-one lunch with an important author who is friends with Sergey & Larry.
On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-6, Stuf4 wrote:
<snip>
- Long meeting and discussions with the person who invented the<snip>
Personal Computer, who is also heavily involved at NASA JSC,
who was nice enough to tell me the whole story of how his company
pulled it off,
History is amazing. But what is perhaps even more amazing is how accurate history gets so distorted, and downright warped.
THAT right there is a perfect example of how WARPED history can be. One of the most impactful inventions of the 20th century is the personal computer, yet the VAST MAJORITY of people don't know who invented it. Or rather, they *think* they know, but are totally mistaken. It radically changed our world,
yet people don't have a clue.
My estimate would be that if 10,000,000 people were asked, maybe one person would know the answer. So I am very grateful to have had extensive interaction with the inventor. We got to the Moon with small-sized computers, and today they are everywhere.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 1:05:58 PM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:
Also forgot to mention...
- That day I was at Steve Wozniak's house. And then having lunch at Apple
headquarters. Woz & I share a special day. My brother would hang out at
his Segway Polo competitions.
- Giving a pitch at Google headquarters on one of my inventions. Having
one-on-one lunch with an important author who is friends with Sergey & Larry.
Did you smoke a reefer today?
If you have no interest in this story, then you have the option to never again click on it. But what is apparent is that your interest is in verbal harassment of me. And it is because of behavior such as yours that I have never posted my actual namehere at ssh. I learned how vile human beings can be to other human beings on internet forums way back in the 90s.
You are so keen to see that it is actually the person pointing out racism who is the problem.
Stuf4 <tdadamemd-spamblock-@excite.com> wrote:
here at ssh. I learned how vile human beings can be to other human beings on internet forums way back in the 90s.If you have no interest in this story, then you have the option to never again click on it. But what is apparent is that your interest is in verbal harassment of me. And it is because of behavior such as yours that I have never posted my actual name
You've never posted your actual name here because you are a coward who doesn't want to be associated with the preposterous shite that he
spews here.
You are so keen to see that it is actually the person pointing out racism who is the problem.
It frequently IS the person "pointing out racism" who is the actual
racist, particularly when they're screaming about preposterous things
like "racist clocks" and "racist geography".
Desmond Tutu died yesterday....
Now that is not a name that is typically associated with Space History. But he is intimately connected to the racist clocks that NASA uses, from its very beginnings in 1958 through to this very day, with no end in sight.
It is very easy for me to imagine him having said:
"NASA, how bout you stop using your racist clocks."
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 9:06:06 PM UTC-7, Stuf4 wrote:
Desmond Tutu died yesterday.
Now that is not a name that is typically associated with Space History. But he is intimately connected to the racist clocks that NASA uses, from its very beginnings in 1958 through to this very day, with no end in sight....
It is very easy for me to imagine him having said:
"NASA, how bout you stop using your racist clocks."Here is Susan (Still) Kilrain talking about these Racist Clocks that NASA uses, without any hint of awareness whatsoever that they are indeed racist:
Z is for Zulu: Blast Off with an Astronaut into the ABC's of Space https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNutgM7yso&t=38s
Maybe someday people will gain some awareness of the pro-genocide aircraft that NASA flies as well.who still refer to these indigenous peoples of this continent as 'Indians'. Then there are those who have a semi-awareness of the problem in doing that, and opt for this other term 'Native American', as though these peoples might feel better about being
Awareness is only the first step. Doing something about it would be the step that matters.
And clearly Susan has not approached anything close to taking this first step.
Everyone here at ssh who has voiced their opinion on this is likewise nowhere close.
Today the USA has had a black president. We currently have a black-Indian vice president. But there are two kinds of 'Indian', as no one cared enough over five centuries to correct the terminology mistake. Half a millennium. And there are people today
Likewise, I never heard Desmond Tutu ever voice any complaint about how NASA, etc ubiquitously uses these racist clocks. Here was a man who spoke Zulu. Yet as far as I know, he never said anything publicly on this. He apparently died having consignedhimself to the reality that no one was ever going to do anything about removing this egregious form of racism up through the year 2021.
But it is now 2022. Today is a new beginning. And we yet again have this opportunity to define the things we care about. And also these other things that no one cares about. So are we going to continue in this pro-racist fashion? Continuing to usethese practices that are nothing short of being pro-genocide?
Again, awareness is the first step. And on these particular issues, maybe this year 2022 will see us make some progress toward taking this first step. That could open the door for the human species making a giant leap in progress.The only awareness needed here is for you to look in a mirror and ask that person to get help. Sheesh.
~ CT
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 4:01:34 PM UTC-5, Stuf4 wrote:<snip>
On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 9:06:06 PM UTC-7, Stuf4 wrote:
Desmond Tutu died yesterday.
himself to the reality that no one was ever going to do anything about removing this egregious form of racism up through the year 2021.Likewise, I never heard Desmond Tutu ever voice any complaint about how NASA, etc ubiquitously uses these racist clocks. Here was a man who spoke Zulu. Yet as far as I know, he never said anything publicly on this. He apparently died having consigned
these practices that are nothing short of being pro-genocide?But it is now 2022. Today is a new beginning. And we yet again have this opportunity to define the things we care about. And also these other things that no one cares about. So are we going to continue in this pro-racist fashion? Continuing to use
Again, awareness is the first step. And on these particular issues, maybe this year 2022 will see us make some progress toward taking this first step. That could open the door for the human species making a giant leap in progress.
The only awareness needed here is for you to look in a mirror and ask that person to get help. Sheesh.
I've seen this kind of thing before. This is a university psychology department race-relations project. What is done is to put race-related content out there, and evaluate the responses in the racist context of the project administrator. This was doneabout five years ago on Facebook. On Facebook, they used Middle Eastern names and photos on a space-related page. The persons were selling something not related to space. They went away when their posts were identified as being a research project.
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