• Re: Langevin traveler and simultaneity.

    From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 23:01:02 2024
    Le 27/09/2024 à 00:34, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    I gave an image yesterday on the notion of Terrence's simultaneity, and the intelligent poster (there are very few, but there are some) will have noticed,
    perhaps, the lines of concordance between the ages of the two protagonists are
    horizontal.
    This is part of the notion of proper simultaneity; of the present time hyperplane. That is why it IS horizontal.
    Thus, when Terrence is 27, Stella is only 9.
    It is very simple to understand.
    In his frame of reference, based solely on him as the origin of this frame of reference, since a relativistic frame of reference can only be purely punctual and
    based on a single and unique observer, Stella, for Terrence is really only 9 years
    old when Terrence is 27.
    I note with sadness that this is not what physicists have been saying for 120 years, and I am saddened by it. For them, when Terrence is 27, Stella is 16.2; and
    conversely, continuing with the idiotic logic, when Stella is 16.2, Terrence is
    27.
    "And so everything seems very simple and very convenient." But it is mostly completely false and ridiculous, and that is not at all how things happen.

    Today, I give (it's horrible), the vision of the journey seen by Stella.

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?Wa9w3Wa_pYh2RfoV8OhSZOEKzig@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    We notice one thing: the notion of time, for Stella, in her frame of reference
    remains unchanged, and the lines of concordance remain horizontal. It is logical,
    each observer of the universe, whoever he is, will always have his own hyperplane
    of present time in which all the other elements of the universe will come to swirl.
    We see then here, that there is no more time gap than for Terrence.
    Time remains perfectly fluid.
    We do not go from the battle of Waterloo (1815) to the battle of Verdun (1916)
    by a time gap. This ridiculous notion does not exist in Doctor Hachel.

    We see then that reciprocity is in the effects, and not in the states.

    For Stella, for example, we notice that when she is 9 years old, Terrence is 3.
    This is not a delusional vision of things, it is the reality of things. It is not
    an illusion by Doppler effect as it is so easy to make believe. Terrence, at this
    moment of Stella's life, is really 3 years old in her frame of reference.

    The notion of simultaneity is not symmetrical, although the effects are perfectly reciprocal.

    Then there remains something that physicists have never fully understood, and yet which was before their eyes for 120 years and predicted by the Poincaré-Lorentz transformations: the zoom-spatial effect.

    Space is a mollusk of reference, but it is the equations that demonstrate it that have constantly been misinterpreted.

    When Stella turns, in 24 hours of her own time, she will pass
    from the resting state of her frame of reference to another frame of reference
    (dv=0.97561c) and if her time does not change, she does not pass from August 16 to
    December 30, the vision of her surrounding space is colossally modified. The earth
    passes from 4 ly (see the drawing) to 36 ly,
    during her 24-hour half-turn performed at tangential speed vo=0.8c in the frame
    of reference of Terrence. During this half-turn she sees Terrence age by 40 hours
    (the times are absolute and symmetrical here).

    There is therefore a magnificent space-zoom, and everything remains remarkably
    coherent in time.

    Hachel's last coup de grâce: Stella in the return phase sees the earth return
    to her with an apparent speed of 4c. Everyone says so.

    It is immensely logical. And for 9 years (it is its own time).
    The earth therefore seems to travel the 36 ly predicted by Dr. Hachel.

    The relativists of the whole world cannot match such clarity.

    R.H.

    The irony is that you draw a very good Minkowski's diagram.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 23:07:47 2024
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:01, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 00:34, Richard Hachel a écrit :

    The irony is that you draw a very good Minkowski's diagram.

    Ce n'est pas le but du jeu.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 23:09:41 2024
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:07, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:01, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 00:34, Richard Hachel a écrit :

    The irony is that you draw a very good Minkowski's diagram.

    Ce n'est pas le but du jeu.

    The fist one was ok, the second one is not.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 22:34:03 2024
    I gave an image yesterday on the notion of Terrence's simultaneity, and
    the intelligent poster (there are very few, but there are some) will have noticed, perhaps, the lines of concordance between the ages of the two protagonists are horizontal.
    This is part of the notion of proper simultaneity; of the present time hyperplane. That is why it IS horizontal.
    Thus, when Terrence is 27, Stella is only 9.
    It is very simple to understand.
    In his frame of reference, based solely on him as the origin of this frame
    of reference, since a relativistic frame of reference can only be purely punctual and based on a single and unique observer, Stella, for Terrence
    is really only 9 years old when Terrence is 27.
    I note with sadness that this is not what physicists have been saying for
    120 years, and I am saddened by it. For them, when Terrence is 27, Stella
    is 16.2; and conversely, continuing with the idiotic logic, when Stella is 16.2, Terrence is 27.
    "And so everything seems very simple and very convenient." But it is
    mostly completely false and ridiculous, and that is not at all how things happen.

    Today, I give (it's horrible), the vision of the journey seen by Stella.

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?Wa9w3Wa_pYh2RfoV8OhSZOEKzig@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    We notice one thing: the notion of time, for Stella, in her frame of
    reference remains unchanged, and the lines of concordance remain
    horizontal. It is logical, each observer of the universe, whoever he is,
    will always have his own hyperplane of present time in which all the other elements of the universe will come to swirl.
    We see then here, that there is no more time gap than for Terrence.
    Time remains perfectly fluid.
    We do not go from the battle of Waterloo (1815) to the battle of Verdun
    (1916) by a time gap. This ridiculous notion does not exist in Doctor
    Hachel.

    We see then that reciprocity is in the effects, and not in the states.

    For Stella, for example, we notice that when she is 9 years old, Terrence
    is 3. This is not a delusional vision of things, it is the reality of
    things. It is not an illusion by Doppler effect as it is so easy to make believe. Terrence, at this moment of Stella's life, is really 3 years old
    in her frame of reference.

    The notion of simultaneity is not symmetrical, although the effects are perfectly reciprocal.

    Then there remains something that physicists have never fully understood,
    and yet which was before their eyes for 120 years and predicted by the Poincaré-Lorentz transformations: the zoom-spatial effect.

    Space is a mollusk of reference, but it is the equations that demonstrate
    it that have constantly been misinterpreted.

    When Stella turns, in 24 hours of her own time, she will pass
    from the resting state of her frame of reference to another frame of
    reference (dv=0.97561c) and if her time does not change, she does not pass
    from August 16 to December 30, the vision of her surrounding space is colossally modified. The earth passes from 4 ly (see the drawing) to 36
    ly,
    during her 24-hour half-turn performed at tangential speed vo=0.8c in the
    frame of reference of Terrence. During this half-turn she sees Terrence
    age by 40 hours (the times are absolute and symmetrical here).

    There is therefore a magnificent space-zoom, and everything remains
    remarkably coherent in time.

    Hachel's last coup de grâce: Stella in the return phase sees the earth
    return to her with an apparent speed of 4c. Everyone says so.

    It is immensely logical. And for 9 years (it is its own time).
    The earth therefore seems to travel the 36 ly predicted by Dr. Hachel.

    The relativists of the whole world cannot match such clarity.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 00:01:52 2024
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:09, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:07, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 01:01, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/09/2024 à 00:34, Richard Hachel a écrit :

    The irony is that you draw a very good Minkowski's diagram.

    Ce n'est pas le but du jeu.

    The fist one was ok, the second one is not.

    C'est ce que je tente d'expliquer depuis des décennies.

    Les physiciens considèrent la première comme vraie, et la seconde comme fausse.

    Les deux sont vraies, mais déjà, il y a une mésentente sur la
    première.

    Chez les physiciens, la première ne représente pas un effet rel, mais seulement un effet Doppler.

    Or, chez moi, c'est réel. Les correspondances horizontales sont réelles.


    Cela représente réellement ce qu'il se passe dans le référentiel de Terrence, en direct-live.

    Déjà le physicien a du mal à me suivre. Il ne peut pas comprendre ce
    que j'explique sur la notion de simultanéité et d'anosochronie. Ca le dépasse. Pour lui, la vitesse de la lumière, c'est du concret, de l'incontournable. 120 ans que ça dure.

    Il devient alors évident que la deuxième photo les rend encore plus
    ahuris. Car un nouveau coup de génie apparait. En quoi consiste-t-il? En affirmant que l'effet sur les longueurs est réciproque, et que la bonne équation du côté Terrence, reste la bonne du côté Stella. D'=D.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)/(1+cosµ.Vo/c)

    Et là, tous les aveuglements sautent et 120 d'incompréhensions sautent
    sous nos yeux.

    Il n'y a PAS de time-gap. Les rapports de temps sont TOUJOURS d'une
    fluidité parfaite pour les deux observateurs s'observant réciproquement.
    Il suffit de regarder les deux approches.

    La solution miracle consistait en la simple prise de conscience de cet
    effet relativiste et finalement hyperlogique qu'est la transformation de Poincaré-Lorentz bien comprise à l'échelle de la métrique en x.

    C'est comme aux échecs la pointe du coup.

    Le coup le plus beau de la partie.

    Le coup Hachel.

    T'inquiète pas, on va dire que c'est faux, que c'est de la mythomanie, etc...etc..etc... Ne t'inquiète pas, je le sais...

    On s'en fout. Les anciennes explications, on va les brûler.

    ON VA TOUTES LES BRÛLER.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 01:23:37 2024
    Le 27/09/2024 à 02:35, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
    On 09/26/2024 03:34 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:

    You mean Terrell?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrell_rotation

    This is unfortunately very poor work.

    R.H.

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