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What happens if I set two identical watches (same chronotropy) on my
table and I slowly move one of them towards the moon
(let's say in three weeks to avoid a v²/c² ratio very different from 1)?
I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
The fundamental question, absolutely fundamental, absolutely dramatic, absolutely scientific and above all absolutely relativistic, is: WHY are watches out of sync?Am I to understand that the genius Doctor Richard Hachel believe
There, two very clear opinions will oppose each other, that of the idiot Python, and that of the true genius of humanity Hachel.
This will inevitably create the most magnificent sparks in the entire
history of relativity, and forty years of hatred, misunderstandings, bullshit, whining..
I'll ask my question again, of such depth that we must warn potential contenders for armed conflict with Hachel not to answer stupid things.
WHY are watches out of sync?
Den 24.08.2024 14:24, skrev Richard Hachel:
What happens if I set two identical watches (same chronotropy) on my
table and I slowly move one of them towards the moon
(let's say in three weeks to avoid a v²/c² ratio very different from 1)?
So the two clocks on your desk are synchronous.
I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Don't be ridiculous.
The clocks are still synchronous.
Den 24.08.2024 14:24, skrev Richard Hachel:
What happens if I set two identical watches (same chronotropy) on my
table and I slowly move one of them towards the moon
(let's say in three weeks to avoid a v²/c² ratio very different from 1)?
So the two clocks on your desk are synchronous.
If we ignore the gravitational blue shift, and pretend that
the ECI frame is a true inertial frame, then the lunar clock will
lag 0.45 μs on the Earth clock.
Which we will ignore, as you said we should.
So we will consider the clocks to be synchronous (within 1 μs).
I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Don't be ridiculous.
In the telescope you will see the clock showing 00:00'06.72".
Unless you are a complete moron, you will understand that
the lunar clock must have advanced 1.28" since the light
you see in the telescope was emitted.
So the clock is really 00:00'06.72" + 1.28" = 00:00'08".
The clocks are still synchronous.
Which is blazingly obvious, so what is the point
with the nonsense below?
Le 24/08/2024 à 21:12, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 24.08.2024 14:24, skrev Richard Hachel:
So the two clocks on your desk are synchronous.
What happens if I set two identical watches (same chronotropy) on my
table and I slowly move one of them towards the moon
(let's say in three weeks to avoid a v²/c² ratio very different from 1)? >>
Absolutely >
If we ignore the gravitational blue shift, and pretend that
the ECI frame is a true inertial frame, then the lunar clock will
lag 0.45 μs on the Earth clock.
Which we will ignore, as you said we should.
So we will consider the clocks to be synchronous (within 1 μs).
I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Don't be ridiculous.
In the telescope you will see the clock showing 00:00'06.72".
Unless you are a complete moron, you will understand that
the lunar clock must have advanced 1.28" since the light
you see in the telescope was emitted.
So the clock is really 00:00'06.72" + 1.28" = 00:00'08".
The clocks are still synchronous.
No, they don't.
That's why I'm an exceptional being.
The greatest relativistic theorist in the entire history of humanity.
That's what makes the difference between a remarkably intelligent being
like you (I've read your pdfs on the theory of relativity, and I've
rarely found better presentations), and the degree above, that of a
genius like me.
A remarkably intelligent being will ask himself the same question, but a supremely brilliant being will not have the same answer: Why does my
watch show 00:00'08" and the moon's 00:00'07".
It's one second slow, it's out of sync.
It's a strange oddity, isn't it?
But yet, it is MY answer, probably so great that we may have to wait 10,
30, or 50 years for another human being on earth to understand my
incredible genius and validate all the relativistic equations that I
have written (about 200).
Well yes, sir, that is what I say, they are out of sync, they no longer
mark the same time.
It is strange, huh, sir?
Den 24.08.2024 22:14, skrev Richard Hachel:
You do understand that you can't make the lunar clock
change its reading by looking at it, don't you?
Or don't you?
With Hachel, the watches are truly mutually out of sync although they
work very well, and with the same internal chronotropy.
Den 25.08.2024 14:34, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 25/08/2024 à 13:47, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 24.08.2024 22:14, skrev Richard Hachel:
You do understand that you can't make the lunar clock
change its reading by looking at it, don't you?
Or don't you?
Of course, I can't change lunar time by looking at it.
You have to be remarkable stupid if you don't understand that
the proper time shown by a clock won't change by being looked at.
Le 25/08/2024 à 13:47, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 24.08.2024 22:14, skrev Richard Hachel:
You do understand that you can't make the lunar clock
change its reading by looking at it, don't you?
Or don't you?
Of course, I can't change lunar time by looking at it.
The genius is to say that transactions are instantaneous, and that it is men's ignorance of the correct space-time that creates this luminic
illusion.
On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 18:48:26 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
W dniu 25.08.2024 o 20:22, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
Den 25.08.2024 14:34, skrev Richard Hachel:
Le 25/08/2024 à 13:47, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
You do understand that you can't make the lunar clock
change its reading by looking at it, don't you?
Or don't you?
Of course, I can't change lunar time by looking at it.
You have to be remarkable stupid if you don't understand that
the proper time shown by a clock won't change by being looked at.
Sure, sure, particularly when it is only
shown in some gedanken delusions of
some lunatic idiots.
Exactly, when Wozniak shows his gedanken delusion about 99766
and 86400, which is soundly refuted by all experimental evidence.
Hachel wrote:
|I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
|00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Considering that transactions are instantaneous,
why do you say that the picture you see in the telescope
is 00:00'07, when it obviously should be 00:00'08" ?
Please explain.
Le 25/08/2024 à 20:21, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Hachel wrote:
|I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
|00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Considering that transactions are instantaneous,
why do you say that the picture you see in the telescope
is 00:00'07, when it obviously should be 00:00'08" ?
Please explain.
[snip off-topic bragging on GR.]
So you have to explain this strange fact.
I admit that the moon is exactly 3.10^8m away (a little closer than in reality for a simple measurement).
I set the two watches in absolutely identical ways, and I sent one to
the moon, after a three-week trip in order to have a speed that is not
very important compared to c and therefore (1-v²/c² ~1).
Something is going to get strange.
The watches are going to get out of sync. I notice that they always beat
at the same time and that the chronotropy is not altered,
but yet, when my watch shows 00:00'08" the lunar clock shows, at the
same time, 00:00'07".
This is frankly abnormal, and we are in the same hypothesis as Römer, observing the moons of Jupiter, and noticing abnormal things.
What is needed is to explain things, and for that, it takes a genius
greater than that of Römer who gave an explanation that, later, will probably make people laugh when we really understand the theory of relativity.
The question remains: What is happening with my two watches? Why do they
no longer show the same time?
Nothing. In this very scenario they are still showing the same time.
Le 25/08/2024 à 20:21, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Hachel wrote:
|I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
|00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
Considering that transactions are instantaneous,
why do you say that the picture you see in the telescope
is 00:00'07, when it obviously should be 00:00'08" ?
Please explain.
It's not up to me to explain, but up to you to understand what's going on.
First, let's not talk about gravitational shift towards blue, red, etc., these are notions of general relativity, and it's already complicated
enough to have a serious dialogue with just a very simple notion of SR.
So you have to explain this strange fact.
I admit that the moon is exactly 3.10^8m away (a little closer than in reality for a simple measurement).
I set the two watches in absolutely identical ways, and I sent one to
the moon, after a three-week trip in order to have a speed that is not
very important compared to c and therefore (1-v²/c² ~1).
Something is going to get strange.
The watches are going to get out of sync. I notice that they always beat
at the same time and that the chronotropy is not altered,
but yet, when my watch shows 00:00'08" the lunar clock shows, at the
same time, 00:00'07".
This is frankly abnormal, and we are in the same hypothesis as Römer, observing the moons of Jupiter, and noticing abnormal things.
What is needed is to explain things, and for that, it takes a genius
greater than that of Römer who gave an explanation that, later, will probably make people laugh when we really understand the theory of relativity.
The question remains: What is happening with my two watches? Why do they
no longer show the same time?
Something is going to get strange.
The watches are going to get out of sync. I notice that they always beat
at the same time and that the chronotropy is not altered,
but yet, when my watch shows 00:00'08" the lunar clock shows, at the
same time, 00:00'07".
This is the very point.
Why do you guess that if you look at the lunar clock with
Le 26/08/2024 à 12:33, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Something is going to get strange.
The watches are going to get out of sync. I notice that they always
beat at the same time and that the chronotropy is not altered,
but yet, when my watch shows 00:00'08" the lunar clock shows, at the
same time, 00:00'07".
This is the very point.
Why do you guess that if you look at the lunar clock with
Yes, is a perfect very point.
It's very interesting no?
My watch shows 00:00'08", the lunar watch shows in the same time 00:00'07"
When I told my wife that! Oh my god, she was surprised, surprised, surprised!!!
Den 25.08.2024 23:10, skrev Richard Hachel:
The question remains: What is happening with my two watches? Why do they
no longer show the same time?
Why indeed.
Römer's conclusion "the speed of light is finite" was based
on measurements.
You have never observed the lunar clock in a telescope.
So the first point you have to clear up, is:
Why do you _guess_ that if you look at the lunar clock with
a telescope, then you would see that it lagged 1 second on
the clock at your table?
When you have explained this, we can take it from there.
Le 26/08/2024 à 12:33, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
Den 25.08.2024 23:10, skrev Richard Hachel:
I notice in my telescope that when my watch marks
00:00'08" the lunar clock is desynchronized and marks 00:00'07".
So the first point you have to clear up, is:
Why do you _guess_ that if you look at the lunar clock with
a telescope, then you would see that it lagged 1 second on
the clock at your table?
When you have explained this, we can take it from there.
Ah, but here is my explanation! Thank you sir!
There is a one-second time difference between 00:00:08 and 00:00:07",
between my watch and the watch on the moon.
This is because of the speed of light, which is quite slow, and takes at least a second to reach me.
And so that explains everything.
It's magnificent, I understand better.
Here it is, my explanation.
I am infinitely grateful to you... So that was it!
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