TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

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Le 13/07/2024 à 08:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

On that, we agree.
Time is what watches tell.

Now, there is ANOTHER THING: the notion of internal chronotropy.

It is not what the watches indicate, it is the way in which the watches
behave reciprocally with each other, according to the only reciprocal
equation To=Tr/sqrt(1-Vo²/c²) which ONLY depends on the speed , and
which is also called the Lorentz factor.

This is what we should call the “reciprocal dilation of chronotropy”
and not the dilation of durations.

It is absolutely fundamental to understand that they are not the same
thing. Duration does not mean chronotropy, although duration depends on chonotropy, but only in part.

Let's take the simple example of a man who asks his watchmaker to make him
a watch that beats twice as fast (this is chronotropy), and he times
himself over a hundred meters, this is the duration, This is what the
watch will indicate.
Duration: this depends on chronotropy, but also on the ROUTE.

The other part, in relativity, is the notion of first degree anisochrony,
and which is validated by the equation Tapp=To.(1+cosµ.Vo/c)

It is terrible to see that all of humanity seems to get confused in a
concept which should nevertheless be basic once stated.

R.H.

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W dniu 13.07.2024 o 11:06, Richard Hachel pisze:

Le 13/07/2024 à 08:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

On that, we agree.
Time is what watches tell.

Now, there is ANOTHER THING: the notion of internal chronotropy.

There are alef0 of abstract we can invent.
Some are going to be useful, others just
look nice for the inventor.

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Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 13/07/2024 à 08:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate; your idiot idiot guru was
correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system of assigning numbers to
"points". A coordinate is not any fucken manifestation of any fucken
Great Mystical Essence.

On that, we agree. Time is what watches tell.

absolutely not!! What watch tells is what watch tells, not "𝙩𝙞𝙢𝙚".

you guys are either 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮𝙨 or 𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚_𝙙𝙚𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨 lol. You just want to steal
the world. Written by your 𝘽𝙖𝙗𝙮𝙡𝙤𝙣𝙞𝙖𝙣_𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙘𝙝𝙘𝙧𝙖𝙛𝙩_𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙪𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣.

and remark, watches are 𝙙𝙞𝙨𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙚_𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙜𝙡𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚, not continuum. The Einstine was
a foolm, and a pervert. A disgusting thief stealing tensors, or the plebs
gave them to him. I'm not even sure he wrote those papers, rather his "𝙨𝙚𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙮".

𝗛𝗔𝗦_𝗝𝗨𝗗𝗚𝗘_𝗡𝗔𝗣𝗢𝗟𝗜𝗧𝗔𝗡𝗢_𝗕𝗘𝗘𝗡_𝗧𝗛𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗧𝗘𝗡𝗘𝗗_𝗢𝗥_𝗜𝗡𝗧𝗜𝗠𝗜𝗗𝗔𝗧𝗘𝗗??
https://old.b%69%74%63%68%75te.com/%76%69%64eo/BcVuIN25YNQF

𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗢_𝗮𝗱𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘁_»_𝗧𝗵𝗲_𝗺𝗮𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗶𝗰_𝗳𝗶𝗹𝘁𝗵_𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁_𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿_𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗻_𝘁𝗼_𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗼𝘄_𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗺𝗲𝗮𝘁_�
�𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿_𝗮𝗴𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘀𝘁_𝗭 https://old.b%69%74%63%68%75te.com/%76%69%64eo/Yd615jOW2TYT/

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

But who assigns 'the hands' to the points?


Numbers don't tell you the time, only the hands do.

All clocks have the same numbers, but not the same time.

It is 'the hands' that tell time.

And 'the hands' are just a model of ...the shadow.


Are you people forgetting what time it is? There are watches 'without
numbers' on them.


It's not about numbers...it never has been.








--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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The Starmaker wrote:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

But who assigns 'the hands' to the points?

Numbers don't tell you the time, only the hands do.

All clocks have the same numbers, but not the same time.

It is 'the hands' that tell time.

And 'the hands' are just a model of ...the shadow.

Are you people forgetting what time it is? There are watches 'without numbers' on them.

It's not about numbers...it never has been.

Let me put it this way in terms you can understand...


Time IS NOT "what clocks indicate", ..Time is what the "shadow"
indicates.


no numbers
no markings
no points

Shadows do not follow any marks, points or numbers.

Our Sun does not make any marks, points or numbers to indicate Time.


You people live in a cave of shadows...


Yous call shadows...hands????



If you remove the hands of a clock, what time is it? The numbers and
markings are still there...so what time is it?


If you believe the clock numbers and markings indicate time, but there
are no hands...what time is it?



Time is what the "shadow" indicates.










--
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

Yes, that is what a time is. A coordinate;
your idiot idiot guru was correct about it.
A coordinate is a humen arbitrary system
of assigning numbers to "points". A
coordinate is not any fucken manifestation
of any fucken Great Mystical Essence.

But who assigns 'the hands' to the points?

Numbers don't tell you the time, only the hands do.

All clocks have the same numbers, but not the same time.

It is 'the hands' that tell time.

And 'the hands' are just a model of ...the shadow.

Are you people forgetting what time it is? There are watches 'without numbers' on them.

It's not about numbers...it never has been.

Let me put it this way in terms you can understand...

Time IS NOT "what clocks indicate", ..Time is what the "shadow"
indicates.

This is precisely the point that was settled by Huygens.
(and taken over by Newton)

Huygens, having built the first accurate clocks ever,
faced the problem that the time given by his pendulum clock
did not agree with the time as indicated by his sundial.
(or with the 'noon gun')

Huygens resolved that resolutely: 'time is what the clock indicates'.
Why? Because the clock parts move in agreement
with the mechanical laws of motion.
Next Huygens set out to calculate 'the equation of time',
from the known motions of the planet Earth in the solar system.

He showed that the pendulum clock and the sun dial did agree again,
once the readings of the sun dial were brought in agreement
with the laws of motion. (by correcting the interpretation)

So there you have it, there is only one time,
and it is both the time as shown by a/the (ideal) clock
and the time that occurs in Newton's
(and later Maxwell's) euqations,

Jan

no numbers
no markings
no points

Shadows do not follow any marks, points or numbers.

Our Sun does not make any marks, points or numbers to indicate Time.

You people live in a cave of shadows...

Yous call shadows...hands????

If you remove the hands of a clock, what time is it? The numbers and
markings are still there...so what time is it?

If you believe the clock numbers and markings indicate time, but there
are no hands...what time is it?

Time is what the "shadow" indicates.

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On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 6:21:05 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

How do we get those times? What is the fundamental basis for the
second?
An average sort of thing, time, so far as clocks go.
The fundamental basis is based upon the position of stars as seen by us
on our planet.
When there is a complete match, about one year, well we have got a
reliable event-interval.
The rest is division and manipulation of the calendar.

Woof-woof, what fools these E=MCC thumping-chanting bipeds be!

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W dniu 15.07.2024 o 14:28, bertietaylor pisze:

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 6:21:05 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

How do we get those times?  What is the fundamental basis for the
second?

Both physicists and wannabe physicists suffer
so much that insane mania of searching (and
finding) some fundamental basis everywhere...

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Le 15/07/2024 à 15:16, Python a écrit :

Both physicists and wannabe physicists suffer
so much that insane mania of searching (and
finding) some fundamental basis everywhere...

Wozniak has "nothing goes" days and "everything goes" days. Today

Il semblerait que la base fondamentale de Maciej soit : t'=t.

De là, on n'avance plus beaucoup.

R.H.

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Le 15/07/2024 à 15:13, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

W dniu 15.07.2024 o 14:28, bertietaylor pisze:

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 6:21:05 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

How do we get those times?  What is the fundamental basis for the
second?

Both physicists and wannabe physicists suffer
so much that insane mania of searching (and
finding) some fundamental basis everywhere...

Wozniak has "nothing goes" days and "everything goes" days. Today
is a "nothing goes" one, in addition to an usual "shitting in his
pants" day of course.

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W dniu 15.07.2024 o 15:16, Python pisze:

Le 15/07/2024 à 15:13, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

W dniu 15.07.2024 o 14:28, bertietaylor pisze:

On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 6:21:05 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

TAI, UTC, zone times - are they "times"
or not? Are they "what clocks indicate"?

How do we get those times?  What is the fundamental basis for the
second?

Both physicists and wannabe physicists suffer
so much that insane mania of searching (and
finding) some fundamental basis everywhere...

Wozniak has "nothing goes" days and "everything goes" days. Today

Today Python is lying and slandering,
like always.

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