Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in spacetime,
caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

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W dniu 24.05.2024 o 21:05, neus pisze:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

Oh, really? 2451,7798,12567, 9076
Find it.

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On 2024-05-24 19:05:35 +0000, neus said:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

Remember the longitude problem: it had happened that a ship knows it is
on the lattitude of its destination island (with known coordinates) but
could not determine whether it should sail east or west bcause could
not determine ships own longitude.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

In that situation the coordinates may be unknown. However, an electron
is charged, so try to follow the field.

--
Mikko

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W dniu 26.05.2024 o 07:40, Thomas Heger pisze:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

Taking it short - coordinates are tools, designed mainly
to locate things, and, just like other tools, con work
in some cases and can't work in some other cases.

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Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

E.g you have a large room and define the lower south-east corner as zero
point (of your coordinate system) and the three axes x, y, z as 'North',
'West' and 'hight'.

'The norm' means, that you have also defined the meaning of '1' (here
unit of length).

In SI-units you take the unit 'meter' and can then decribe a point in
that room by a set of three number called 'position vector'.

e.g. (1, 2, 3) denotes a point in that coordinate system (aka 'location').

Other systems of coordinates are also possible.

Commonly used are spherical coordinates, because our home planet (Earth)
has a roughly spherical surface and we usually live upon that.


But if now the zero-point wiggles for some reason (like e.g. an
Earthquake), the coordinates wiggle, too.

But that would not alter the points in space, if they stay in place.

That's unfortunate for an observer at the zero spot, but usually no big
deal.


TH

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Am Sonntag000026, 26.05.2024 um 07:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

W dniu 26.05.2024 o 07:40, Thomas Heger pisze:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

Taking it short - coordinates are tools, designed mainly
to locate things, and, just like other tools, con work
in some cases and can't work in some other cases.

Well, more or less.
Coordinate systems are man-made constructs and only imaginary.

The points in space are actually real, but carry no tags (or similar)
which tell the coordinates.

Sinse the points don't know where they are, we can measure their
location only in repect to something else.

This 'something else' is what we usually use to define a coordinate system.


TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

E.g you have a large room and define the lower south-east corner as zero point (of your coordinate system) and the three axes x, y, z as 'North', 'West' and 'hight'.

'The norm' means, that you have also defined the meaning of '1' (here
unit of length).

In SI-units you take the unit 'meter' and can then decribe a point in
that room by a set of three number called 'position vector'.

e.g. (1, 2, 3) denotes a point in that coordinate system (aka 'location').

Other systems of coordinates are also possible.

Commonly used are spherical coordinates, because our home planet (Earth)
has a roughly spherical surface and we usually live upon that.

But if now the zero-point wiggles for some reason (like e.g. an
Earthquake), the coordinates wiggle, too.

But that would not alter the points in space, if they stay in place.

That's unfortunate for an observer at the zero spot, but usually no big
deal.

TH

------------------------

If I move from one spot to another, I mimic the motion of an earthquake.

But this motion takes place on a carpet of spacetime, which I couldn't
mimic.

It's a different mambo altogether.

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W dniu 27.05.2024 o 23:02, neus pisze:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

E.g you have a large room and define the lower south-east corner as
zero point (of your coordinate system) and the three axes x, y, z as
'North', 'West' and 'hight'.

'The norm' means, that you have also defined the meaning of '1' (here
unit of length).

In SI-units you take the unit 'meter' and can then decribe a point in
that room by a set of three number called 'position vector'.

e.g. (1, 2, 3) denotes a point in that coordinate system (aka
'location').

Other systems of coordinates are also possible.

Commonly used are spherical coordinates, because our home planet
(Earth) has a roughly spherical surface and we usually live upon that.


But if now the zero-point wiggles for some reason (like e.g. an
Earthquake), the coordinates wiggle, too.

But that would not alter the points in space, if they stay in place.

That's unfortunate for an observer at the zero spot, but usually no
big deal.


TH

------------------------

If I move from one spot to another, I mimic the motion of an earthquake.

But this motion takes place on a carpet of spacetime, which I couldn't
mimic.

It's a different mambo altogether.

Cut this mystical bullshit. Whatever you say
you're using words and put them into phrases.
What do you think words are? Ever seen any
in your precious spacetime?

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Am Montag000027, 27.05.2024 um 08:46 schrieb Thomas Heger:

Am Sonntag000026, 26.05.2024 um 07:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

W dniu 26.05.2024 o 07:40, Thomas Heger pisze:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

Taking it short - coordinates are tools, designed mainly
to locate things, and, just like other tools, con work
in some cases and can't work in some other cases.

Well, more or less.
Coordinate systems are man-made constructs and only imaginary.

The points in space are actually real, but carry no tags (or similar)
which tell the coordinates.

Sinse the points don't know where they are, we can measure their
location only in repect to something else.

This 'something else' is what we usually use to define a coordinate system.

Usually I use a principle I call 'subjectivism'.

This is based on a priciple, that all inertial observers are of equal
rights.

That's why I place the observer in the center of the system in question
and measure everything in respect to the observer (or the associated
coordinate system).

This makes the observer stop and everything else move.


This scheme is strictly subjectivistic, because one observer can be
placed at the zero spot, but not two (or more).

The space seen from there is then the past light cone of that particular observer and usually called 'universe' (though not universal).

That's why we have an infinite number of different universes.

This scheme is not correct, but matches the subjectivitic view, which we usually have upon the world around us.

Since the observer does not move at all (by definition), he (or she)
cannot possibly move with c (or any other velocity).

Now the observer has a point, which is already known (the tip of his own
nose) and he could measure everything else from there.

Other points are less easy to find, like e.g. 'the center of the
universe', or much less easy to use (e.g. the sun).

TH

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 27.05.2024 o 23:02, neus pisze:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

E.g you have a large room and define the lower south-east corner as
zero point (of your coordinate system) and the three axes x, y, z as
'North', 'West' and 'hight'.

'The norm' means, that you have also defined the meaning of '1' (here
unit of length).

In SI-units you take the unit 'meter' and can then decribe a point in
that room by a set of three number called 'position vector'.

e.g. (1, 2, 3) denotes a point in that coordinate system (aka
'location').

Other systems of coordinates are also possible.

Commonly used are spherical coordinates, because our home planet
(Earth) has a roughly spherical surface and we usually live upon that.


But if now the zero-point wiggles for some reason (like e.g. an
Earthquake), the coordinates wiggle, too.

But that would not alter the points in space, if they stay in place.

That's unfortunate for an observer at the zero spot, but usually no
big deal.


TH

------------------------

If I move from one spot to another, I mimic the motion of an earthquake.

But this motion takes place on a carpet of spacetime, which I couldn't
mimic.

It's a different mambo altogether.

Cut this mystical bullshit. Whatever you say
you're using words and put them into phrases.
What do you think words are? Ever seen any
in your precious spacetime?

---------------------------

Hi Woz.

Whenever I see a post from you, I feel I'm with Einstein,
which is where I want to be.


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W dniu 28.05.2024 o 18:37, neus pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 27.05.2024 o 23:02, neus pisze:

Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000024, 24.05.2024 um 21:05 schrieb neus:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

What if those coordinates are jittery, due to the ripples in
spacetime, caused by gravity waves, how does one find an electron.

Coordinates always refer to a coordinate system.

A coordinate system has a zero point and a number of axes, which are
somehow normed and defined.

E.g you have a large room and define the lower south-east corner as
zero point (of your coordinate system) and the three axes x, y, z as
'North', 'West' and 'hight'.

'The norm' means, that you have also defined the meaning of '1'
(here unit of length).

In SI-units you take the unit 'meter' and can then decribe a point
in that room by a set of three number called 'position vector'.

e.g. (1, 2, 3) denotes a point in that coordinate system (aka
'location').

Other systems of coordinates are also possible.

Commonly used are spherical coordinates, because our home planet
(Earth) has a roughly spherical surface and we usually live upon that. >>>>

But if now the zero-point wiggles for some reason (like e.g. an
Earthquake), the coordinates wiggle, too.

But that would not alter the points in space, if they stay in place.

That's unfortunate for an observer at the zero spot, but usually no
big deal.


TH

------------------------

If I move from one spot to another, I mimic the motion of an earthquake. >>>
But this motion takes place on a carpet of spacetime, which I
couldn't mimic.

It's a different mambo altogether.

Cut this mystical bullshit. Whatever you say
you're using words and put them into phrases.
What do you think words are? Ever seen any
in your precious spacetime?

---------------------------

Hi Woz.

Whenever I see a post from you, I feel I'm with Einstein,
which is where I want to be.

Well, Ne, no surprise, an idiot is choosing
like an idiot.

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 24.05.2024 o 21:05, neus pisze:

Given three or four coordinates one can find most things in space.

Oh, really? 2451,7798,12567, 9076
Find it.

---------------------

If these are supposed to be co-ords, surely you've found it already?

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