Am Freitag000019, 19.05.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Tom Roberts:

On 5/12/23 1:27 PM, Tom Capizzi wrote:

You "experts" can't even agree on whether length contraction is
physical or not.

The problem is that "physical" is not well defined -- what do YOU mean
by that word (be specific)?

Consider a rod of length L at rest in inertial frame S, aligned along
the x axis. An inertial frame S' moving relative to S with speed v along
the x axis will measure its length to be L*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). That
is what is meant by "length contraction" [#].

It OUGHT to be obvious that measurements by moving observers cannot
possibly affect the rod itself. So in that sense, "length contraction"
is not "physical" -- the rod is not affected [#].

Well, yes.

But actually the measurements of a remote observer, passing by at
significant velocity, is irrelevant (at least for the rod).

So, it's all BS we're talking about?


...

TH

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Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000019, 19.05.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Tom Roberts:

It OUGHT to be obvious that measurements by moving observers cannot possibly affect the rod itself. So in that sense, "length contraction"
is not "physical" -- the rod is not affected [#].

Well, yes.

But actually the measurements of a remote observer, passing by at
significant velocity, is irrelevant (at least for the rod).

So, it's all BS we're talking about?

TH

But everything is remote to an observer, even his instruments may be
remote. There is always time delay between you and the rest of the
universe, it's just that it is insignificant in many cases, for the
purposes being investigated.

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Am Freitag000019, 19.05.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Tom Roberts:

It OUGHT to be obvious that measurements by moving observers cannot
possibly affect the rod itself. So in that sense, "length contraction"
is not "physical" -- the rod is not affected [#].

Doesn't poor halfbrain TR believe the results of Holy
Measurements?

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

Am Freitag000019, 19.05.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Tom Roberts:

It OUGHT to be obvious that measurements by moving observers cannot possibly affect the rod itself. So in that sense, "length contraction" is not "physical" -- the rod is not affected [#].

Doesn't poor halfbrain TR believe the results of Holy
Measurements?

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once again. He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement, each traveling at a different speed, and each getting a different value. The only "Holy measurement" would be by the one at rest with respect to the rod, which would be its proper length.

https://psychcentral.com/health/lying-by-omission

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W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

Am Freitag000019, 19.05.2023 um 20:23 schrieb Tom Roberts:

It OUGHT to be obvious that measurements by moving observers cannot
possibly affect the rod itself. So in that sense, "length

contraction"

is not "physical" -- the rod is not affected [#].

Doesn't poor halfbrain TR believe the results of Holy
Measurements?

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the fact is that there
are
many who can be making the measurement, each traveling at a different
speed,
and each getting a different value.

And?
Can you, or can poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?


BTW, anyone cam check GPS, Harrie, your
results are existing only in your
delusional gedankenwelt.
Your raving and spitting won't help, you
can't enforce your madness on the real
measurements.

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement, each traveling at a different speed, and each getting a different value.

And?

The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a brain: WHICH ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"? Duh!

Can you, or can poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

Suppose you measure the speed of an approaching airplane by sending two pulses of light one second apart. The first one travels a distance, d, to the plane and is reflected back. It leaves at t = t1 and returns at t = 2d/c. The second
leaves at t = t1 + 1, travels a distance x = d - v and returns at t = 2(d - v)/c.
The time interval between the return of the pulses is Delta t = 2v/c. So we have
a physical measurement.

With respect to the light pulse source,

(1) What is the velocity of the plane?
(2) What is the position of the plane?

Are those "physical" measurements?

BTW, anyone cam check GPS, Harrie, your
results are existing only in your
delusional gedankenwelt.

Au contraire, eighth-brain, everyone but you knows you're lying. Yon know it, too,
but you're too dishonest to admit it. Anyone THAT dishonest must also be a fool.

Your raving and spitting won't help, you
can't enforce your madness on the real
measurements.

Pot, kettle, black.

“How much better would life be if a liar’s pants really did catch fire?
-- Rebel Circus

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W dniu 13.05.2024 o 03:40, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once

again.  He

pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the fact is that

there > are many who can be making the measurement, each traveling at
a different > speed, and each getting a different value.
And?

The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a brain:
WHICH
ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"?

In your religion, Harrie - any.
  Duh!

Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

Suppose you measure

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot, so
no surprise I have to repeat some times.
Can you, or can poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

BTW, anyone cam check GPS, Harrie, your
results are existing only in your
delusional gedankenwelt.

Au contraire, eighth-brain, everyone but

Anyone can check, GPS staff didn't repeat
your mad assumptions and its clocks keep
measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

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Maciej Wozniak prevaricated:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 03:40, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the
fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different > speed, and each getting a different value.

And?

The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a brain: WHICH ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"?

In your religion, Harrie - any.
  Duh!

Not good enough, weasel-breath. YOU are the one with snot on your face.
YOU are the one dissenting from the confirmed standpoint. YOU are the one
that brought up your "holy measurement" stupidity. Now put up or shut up.

Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

Suppose you measure

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot,

Then you're talking to yourself, weasel-breath.

so no surprise I have to repeat some times.
Can you, or can poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

I did, but weasel-breath is too stupid to see.

BTW, anyone cam check GPS, Harrie, your
results are existing only in your
delusional gedankenwelt.

Au contraire, eighth-brain, everyone but

Anyone can check, GPS staff didn't repeat
your mad assumptions and its clocks keep
measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

Wozzie-stupe just repeats his stupidity instead
of answering the question. He is not only stupid,
but fatally corrupt. And he lies by omission
every time he posts his foolish GPS insanity.

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W dniu 13.05.2024 o 16:38, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak prevaricated:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 03:40, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once
again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the
fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different > speed, and each getting a different
value.

And?
The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a

brain: > WHICH ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"?

In your religion, Harrie - any.
   Duh!

Not good enough, weasel-breath.  YOU are the one with snot on your face.
YOU are the one dissenting from the confirmed standpoint.  YOU are the one that brought up your "holy measurement" stupidity.  Now put up or shut up.

How about - command some glowing worms, Harrie,
poor halfbrain?

Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?
Suppose you measure

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot,

Then you're talking to yourself, weasel-breath.

so no surprise I have to repeat some times.
Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

I did

How many?

BTW, anyone cam check GPS, Harrie, your
results are existing only in your
delusional gedankenwelt.
Au contraire, eighth-brain, everyone but

Anyone can check, GPS staff didn't repeat
your mad assumptions and its clocks keep
measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

Wozzie-stupe just repeats his stupidity instead
of answering the question.  He is not only stupid,
but fatally corrupt.  And he lies by omission
every time he posts his foolish GPS insanity.

Your lies, insult and slanders change nothing,
poor fanatic trash. Your utterly idiotic concept
of time and clocks doesn't and won't work. You
even admit it yourself sometimes - even such
a piece of fanatic shit can't lie 100% of time.

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Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 16:38, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak prevaricated:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 03:40, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once
again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the
fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different > speed, and each getting a different >>> > > > value.

And?
The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a

brain: > WHICH ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"?

In your religion, Harrie - any.
   Duh!

Not good enough, weasel-breath.  YOU are the one with snot on your face. YOU are the one dissenting from the confirmed standpoint.  YOU are the one that brought up your "holy measurement" stupidity.  Now put up or shut up.

How about - command some glowing worms, Harrie,
poor halfbrain?

Poor eighth-brain.

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot,

Then you're talking to yourself, weasel-breath.

so no surprise I have to repeat some times.
Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?

I did

How many?

So poor eighth-brain can't count for himself?

Sorry, pipsqueak, you don't get to command a performance
from people of note.

"Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once
again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the
fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different speed, and each getting a different
value."

Count 'em up, creep. How many different speeds are there between
zero and c? Then double it because there are just as many between
zero and -c.

Anyone can check, GPS staff didn't repeat
your mad assumptions and its clocks keep
measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

Wozzie-stupe just repeats his stupidity instead
of answering the question.  He is not only stupid,
but fatally corrupt.  And he lies by omission
every time he posts his foolish GPS insanity.

Your lies, insult and slanders change nothing,
poor fanatic trash. Your utterly idiotic concept
of time and clocks doesn't and won't work. You
even admit it yourself sometimes

Says the liar, insulter and slanderer :-))

who is also stupider than a fence post.

- even such a piece of fanatic shit can't lie 100%
of time.

But Wozzie-fool proves that he can lie 100% of the time
with every post :-))

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W dniu 13.05.2024 o 20:46, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 16:38, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak prevaricated:

W dniu 13.05.2024 o 03:40, gharnagel pisze:

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

W dniu 12.05.2024 o 20:22, gharnagel pisze:

Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation

once > > > again.  He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement"
but the

fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different > speed, and each getting a

different

value.

And?
The "And?" is obvious to anyone having more than one-eighth of a

brain: > WHICH ONE IS THE "HOLY MEASUREMENT"?

In your religion, Harrie - any.
   Duh!
Not good enough, weasel-breath.  YOU are the one with snot on your

face.

YOU are the one dissenting from the confirmed standpoint.  YOU are

the one

that brought up your "holy measurement" stupidity.  Now put up or

shut up.

How about - command some glowing worms, Harrie,
poor halfbrain?

Poor eighth-brain.

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot,
Then you're talking to yourself, weasel-breath.

so no surprise I have to repeat some times.

Can you, or can  poor idiot Tom - provide
many examples of things that are not physical
but are physically measured?
I did

How many?

So poor eighth-brain can't count for himself?

Sorry, pipsqueak, you don't get to command a performance
from people of note.

"Poor eighth-brain is trying to obscure the whole situation once again.
He pretends there is only one "Holy measurement" but the

But the relativistic idiot is lying impudently,
as expected from a relativistic idiot.

fact is that there are many who can be making the measurement,
each traveling at a different speed, and each getting a different
value."

Count 'em up, creep.  How many different speeds are there between

Once again, I'm talking to an idiot,
so no surprise I have to repeat some times.
Can you, or can poor idiot Tom - provide
many EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT PHYSICAL,
BUT ARE MEASURED PHYSICALLY?

zero and c?  Then double it because there are just as many between
zero and -c.

Anyone can check, GPS staff didn't repeat
your mad assumptions and its clocks keep
measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks
always did.

Wozzie-stupe just repeats his stupidity instead

of answering the question.  He is not only stupid,
but fatally corrupt.  And he lies by omission
every time he posts his foolish GPS insanity.

Your lies, insult and slanders change nothing,
poor fanatic trash. Your utterly idiotic concept
of time and clocks doesn't and won't work. You
even admit it yourself sometimes

Says the liar, insulter and slanderer :-))

who is also stupider than a fence post.

Your lies, insult and slanders change nothing,
poor fanatic trash. Your utterly idiotic concept
of time and clocks doesn't and won't work. You
even admit it yourself sometimes

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