• What clocks indicate

    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 8 18:05:05 2024
    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed May 8 19:49:46 2024
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    “If it’s stupid but it works, it isn’t stupid.”
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 8 22:55:54 2024
    W dniu 08.05.2024 o 21:49, gharnagel pisze:
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.

    And demonstrated clearly, that what your bunch of
    idiots assumed and announced "accurate" - is
    just some pretty useless absurd.

    It didn't work right.

    Exactly. Common sense was warning your idiot guru.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to gharnagel on Wed May 8 23:40:45 2024
    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?

    Jan
    (doubting it)

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Wed May 8 17:14:11 2024
    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?

    Jan
    (doubting it)


    He concludes his letter, ironically: I am now completely ripe for the insane asylum
    https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol13-doc/38


    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 9 07:24:48 2024
    W dniu 08.05.2024 o 23:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?


    Surely the idiot was an idiot, but suggesting he
    was not aware of basics of probability is, I guess,
    too much.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu May 9 08:39:42 2024
    The Starmaker wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?

    Jan
    (doubting it)

    He concludes his letter, ironically: I am now completely ripe for the insane asylum
    https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol13-doc/38


    From what i read here, it seems Einstein was running a problem using the same method , over and over again...

    and finally gave up and said: I am now completely ripe for the insane asylum :from einsteinpapers


    https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol13-doc/38


    --
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    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu May 9 20:41:53 2024
    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    is a matter of ergonomy. Not a mater
    of some delusional "Law of Nature" invented
    by an insane crazie.
    You can gedanke/imagine "perfect", "proper",
    "correct" clocks perfectly obedient to you.
    But you can't enforce your madness on real
    clocks. Anyone can check GPS, sorry, poor
    halfbrains, you're - simply - not important
    enough.

    The first satellite went up with an accurate clock.
    It didn't work right. A switch was thrown to change
    the timebase to agree with the "insane crazy" -- and
    lo and behold, it worked.

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid."
    -- Naval Ops Manual

    Wozzie keeps repeating the same misinformation, hoping
    for emotional support for his derangement.

    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?

    Jan
    (doubting it)


    He concludes his letter, ironically: "I am now completely ripe for the insane
    asylum‰
    https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol13-doc/38

    Certainly, but this is not the phrase wanted.
    I Had the opportunity to look it up in the meantime.
    It is in the 'ultimate quotable Einstein',
    in the 'attributed to' part.
    This is an error, it should be in the 'not by Einstein' section.

    ======
    *Insanity is doing the same thing over and over
    again and expecting different results.
    By Rita Mae Brown, in Sudden Death (New York: Bantam,
    1983), 68. Thanks to Barbara Wolff for the source.
    =====
    So an invention from well after Einstein's death,
    by someone without any connection to either physics or Einstein. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Mae_Brown>

    And looking that up, in that book,
    I find that there isn't any real Einstein in the book.
    The phrase is there, in the dialogue,
    but it is said by a character in the book who is nicknamed 'Einstein', presumably because she is supposed to have brains.

    So it is all bunk, and it has nothing to do with the real Einstein,

    Jan

    --
    My reason for doubting it: Einstein was a good physicist. He would have
    been well aware that experiments will never reproduce perfectly, so
    every replication will produce a somewhat different result. Physicists
    of course know how to handle such situations. (statistics and all that)

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 13:17:47 2024
    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    [recovered from the Bozo Bin, for once]
    If you want me to reply you shouldn't crosspost.

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:
    [-]
    "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and
    expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

    Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?

    Jan
    (doubting it)


    He concludes his letter, ironically: "I am now completely ripe for the ins
    ane
    asylumâ•°
    https://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol13-doc/38

    Certainly, but this is not the phrase wanted.
    I Had the opportunity to look it up in the meantime.
    It is in the 'ultimate quotable Einstein',
    in the 'attributed to' part.
    This is an error, it should be in the 'not by Einstein' section.

    ======
    *Insanity is doing the same thing over and over
    again and expecting different results.
    By Rita Mae Brown, in Sudden Death (New York: Bantam,
    1983), 68. Thanks to Barbara Wolff for the source.
    =====
    So an invention from well after Einstein's death,
    by someone without any connection to either physics or Einstein. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Mae_Brown>

    And looking that up, in that book,
    I find that there isn't any real Einstein in the book.
    The phrase is there, in the dialogue,
    but it is said by a character in the book who is nicknamed 'Einstein', presumably because she is supposed to have brains.

    So it is all bunk, and it has nothing to do with the real Einstein,

    Jan


    But it is not what you wrote. You wrote:

    "Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?"


    ever having said
    anything like this?

    anything like this?


    "anything"

    in any degree; to any extent; in any way; at all:
    any thing whatever; something, no matter what: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/anything



    You didn't say "exactly that", you said..."anything".



    I posted anything.


    I don't know what the 'year 1983' has to do with Einstein.


    Didn't he died before the year 1983???

    Why are yous people looking for quotes AFTER he died??? dats dumb.

    Pfft. Do read.
    The quotation is correct, the source I found for it is correct,
    and has nothing at all to do with Albert Einstein.

    It is a mis-attribution,

    Jan

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sat May 11 13:38:45 2024
    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    But it is not what you wrote. You wrote:

    "Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?"

    Pfft. Do read.
    The quotation is correct, the source I found for it is correct,
    and has nothing at all to do with Albert Einstein.

    It is a mis-attribution,

    Jan

    Well, apparently it does have something to do with Einstein, a
    character in a book referred to as Einstein. But thanks for the
    correction. I'll put quotes around "Einstein" when I use that
    quote in the future :-)

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 18:00:55 2024
    W dniu 11.05.2024 o 15:38, gharnagel pisze:
    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    But it is not what you wrote. You wrote:
    "Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?"

    Pfft. Do read.
    The quotation is correct, the source I found for it is correct,
    and has nothing at all to do with Albert Einstein.

    It is a mis-attribution,

    Jan

    Well, apparently it does have something to do with Einstein, a
    character in a book referred to as Einstein.  But thanks for the correction.  I'll put quotes around "Einstein" when I use that
    quote in the future :-)

    For sure, the idiot was an idiot, but still
    suggesting that he didn't know the basics
    of probability seems too much.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to gharnagel on Sat May 11 21:13:33 2024
    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    But it is not what you wrote. You wrote:

    "Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?"

    Pfft. Do read.
    The quotation is correct, the source I found for it is correct,
    and has nothing at all to do with Albert Einstein.

    It is a mis-attribution,

    Jan

    Well, apparently it does have something to do with Einstein, a
    character in a book referred to as Einstein. But thanks for the
    correction. I'll put quotes around "Einstein" when I use that
    quote in the future :-)

    It seems that in some circles 'Einstein' is used
    jocularly as a nickname for a supposedly smart person.
    I have also seen 'Sheldon' used in a similar way.
    (after the hero of the 'Big Bang Theory')

    Ascribing anything said by such a person to the real historical Einstein
    is not the right way of going about it.
    Even 'ascribed to Einstein' is just plain wrong,

    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 22:13:48 2024
    W dniu 11.05.2024 o 21:13, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    gharnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    But it is not what you wrote. You wrote:

    "Do you have a real source for Einstein ever having said
    anything like this?
    Beyond the internet forever repeating itself?"

    Pfft. Do read.
    The quotation is correct, the source I found for it is correct,
    and has nothing at all to do with Albert Einstein.

    It is a mis-attribution,

    Jan

    Well, apparently it does have something to do with Einstein, a
    character in a book referred to as Einstein. But thanks for the
    correction. I'll put quotes around "Einstein" when I use that
    quote in the future :-)

    It seems that in some circles 'Einstein' is used
    jocularly as a nickname for a supposedly smart person.
    I have also seen 'Sheldon' used in a similar way.
    (after the hero of the 'Big Bang Theory')

    Ascribing anything said by such a person to the real historical Einstein
    is not the right way of going about it.
    Even 'ascribed to Einstein' is just plain wrong,

    Most of the ravings of the Shit's fanatics
    is plain wrong. That don't stop them.

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