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Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.


Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!

Do I make myself clear?


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On 28/04/2024 3:57 am, The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!

Do I make myself clear?

Yes, very.

And very obvious, but not to the genius atheist.




Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9bnqmFqncgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9b1k0FniudU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind
of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more
weight than if just one person says it.

The value of eyewitnesses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNF9QNEQLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

since there is no way
to support it.
As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there
and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of all religious faiths.

There are hundreds of others. In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs. but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.


--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:52:46 +0200, D <nospam@example.net>
in alt.atheism with message-id <feb0292e-7c9b-bc86-367d-e737a9f4c0ae@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:

D wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>> ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident >>>>>> that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.� Theists postulate the existence of something
without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.

That is not scientific proof.

I never said it was

That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could
have any meaning.

The only way is for that proof to have unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence supporting it.

Scientific proof also requires a repeatability factor.

In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No >>> such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of >>> science.

If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of >>> gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this
position is.

with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4
billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers
in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.

No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly
the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the >earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating
followers with proof is.

If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group >>> would be converted.

Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with
science, would not be a god, but a component of this world.

So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god
that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove.

That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never
convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light >>> entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway.

Atheists
say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept
the existence of anything.� Including any god.

Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all
can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves,
vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super
hero abilities.

Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that
it does exist.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

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In article <v0qimm$2drp3$1@dont-email.me>, Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
says...

On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:

In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>, Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com says...

On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way. Have your read Professor Richard Dawkins'
The God Delusion?

Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not grasp the possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for that matter, on any topic espousing any position. Of course, there is only
so much time in any given day.

Dawn

Good point. I love reading books. Real books. Have you read C.S.Lewis?

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An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.


--
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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On 1/05/2024 11:52 am, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident that there is a God.

They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Richard Dawkins writes a book "The God Delusion", and he's not even sure if God exist or not.

That has to be the REAL definion of an atheist, a person who is not even sure if God exist or not.

Dawkins is lost, you can see it in his face. Also in Hitchens before he
died.




Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:

On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:

Dawn Flood wrote:

On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:

Dawn Flood wrote:

On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:

In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>, Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com >>>>>> says...

On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level >>>>>>>> of ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
confident that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
Dawkins'
The God Delusion?

Dawn

If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
grasp the
possibility.

I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there >>>>> is only so much time in any given day.

Dawn

you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with nothing >>>

What's the alternative?  Fantasy??

Dawn

the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after

Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.

Dawn

You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
"nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.





Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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On Wed, 1 May 2024, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

Sort of a Charles Darwin, right? I forgot, was Charles Darwin a very religious Christian or Catholic person????

Charles Darwin is very commonly listed as an agnostic. But recently I
found out that that side of the equation is a jungle of ism and
combination of ism.

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D wrote:

On Thu, 2 May 2024, Maximus wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9c86kFt574U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9c3rjFsglgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9bnqmFqncgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>> <l9b1k0FniudU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same level of ...beliefs.


Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are confident that there is a God.



They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence.

I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence.

Personal testimony is never evidence

any court would disagree with you

It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind >>>>>>>>> of evidence.

maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if
twenty pp
say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more >>>>>>>> weight than if just one person says it.

I agree - it is evidence.  It just isn't very useful
evidence.

The value of eyewitnesses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNF9QNEQLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnnmWYI0lM

I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below)

Any one will do.  They all show what you see may not be
reality.

since there is no way
to support it.
      As far as the "belief of billions" is
concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there >>>>>>>>>>> and they can't all be correct.

I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily

How about Hindu?

about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over
50% of all
religious faiths.

So what?  That doesn't mean any of them are valid.

no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the >>>>>> beliefs could be valid.

Or not.  There is no actual evidence that would convince
someone either way.

     There are hundreds of others.  In fact
there are many, many different Christian beliefs.

yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no
evidence. for
example believers spend a lot of money in support of their
faith. just
near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many >>>>>>>> millions
of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs.
in fact
theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things >>>>>>>> as being
no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs.

Or not.  There is exactly the same support either way.

but at the
end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when
one does
that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg.
xtians
believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved
with gold
in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will
get 70
virgins if they die as martyrs.

Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers
and painful punishment for non-believers.
Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way
for anything involving religion.  That is why faith was
invented.  Faith is belief without evidence - for those who
believe in such.

no, faith is belief without proof

Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing.  No
facts.

no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a
conclusion.

True, but usually evidence has some validity factor.

Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the
parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless.
Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable
and credible.

unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on
it's credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but
no one else did, that still needs to be investigated.

A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence.  No religion
has this.

yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus

Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated,
verifiable and credible evidence that they were any
different from any John Doe off any street.

the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise

   Simply
accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a
certain time and place proves nothing.

There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence.

. the gospels for example are a basis
for Xtian faith

Or for any other religion.  None of them have anything
beyond faith.  Your gospels are accepted as being true
without any supporting evidence.

the gospels are evidence for the events they contain

Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually
validate them

nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your
claim is there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's
no proof. just as sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are
evidence for their sport, ie. that the sport exists, Churches and
Mosques and the believers (billions of them) are evidence for their
God. ie. that the God exists, or there wouldn't be any Churches or
Mosques. to me this seem obvious.

No, that is incorrect. Churches and churchgoers are evidence that
churches and organized religions exist. They are not evidence of
everything that religion proclaims to be true, is true.

I'm not saying they are

  Such validation requires unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence,

it's irrelevant
whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but
some
things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very) >>>> good authority on this.

Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently
verified historical figures.  None of the mystical or
supernatural claims are independently supported.

yes

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

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Michael Christ wrote:

On 4/05/2024 7:03 pm, Attila wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.

-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.

yes there is, the father.

He is not involved at this point.

so only the mother has a say in what happens?

She is the only person directly involved.  The final
decision belongs to her.  She is the only one directly
affected by that decision.

the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage

No, the events will progress even if the father is not aware
of the situation.  The only person who is always involved in
deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
involved.  In fact, the father does not even need to be
alive.

Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
outcome.

"Atheists never agree and are always squabbling over dumb things."

You've just been given a Maximus-like Mindset Moron Mindless Motto!

we discuss intelligently. theists don't. you just keep telling each
other my belief is right, yours is wrong.

Michael Christ

--

--
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Attila wrote:

On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.

-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.

yes there is, the father.

He is not involved at this point.

so only the mother has a say in what happens?

She is the only person directly involved. The final
decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
affected by that decision.

the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage

No,

that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
to be a parent

the events will progress even if the father is not aware
of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
alive.

Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
outcome.

of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
what she wants regardless

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

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On Sun, 05 May 2024 11:14:04 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <6637CC6C.20E0@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Thu, 2 May 2024 21:50:39 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1LednWR_pcz1Ya77nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.

-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.

Conception comes before birth, ask anyone.

Irrelevant. In some cultures in the past babies were not
named until they were one year old due to the high infant
mortality rate.

If a fetus is a person can it be counted in a census? Is it
a tax deduction? Is it a citizen? Of where? Does it need
a passport?

a citizen? the fetus 'occupies' a place on earth

A citizen is a recognized legal member of a particular
country.

Albert Einstein said he was a citizen of the earth...

So what? Did he decide the qualifications?

but i don't know how to verify earth to you.

i might find for you 'a blue dot' somewhere in space..
but i don't see the letters e-a-r-t-h on it, so
i'll have to keep trying to see if i can verify if
an earth exist.

wat about if i'm standing on the moon and i see
a BIG blue dot, would that help?

The Earth has no one formal political structure to grant
citizenship to anyone.

One could just as properly claim to be a citizen of the
galaxy - for what it's worth.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

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On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:11:45 +1000, Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v19781$22vne$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

On 6/05/2024 8:18 am, Attila wrote:

On Sun, 05 May 2024 11:14:04 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6637CC6C.20E0@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Thu, 2 May 2024 21:50:39 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1LednWR_pcz1Ya77nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.

-----------------

and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.

Conception comes before birth, ask anyone.

Irrelevant. In some cultures in the past babies were not
named until they were one year old due to the high infant
mortality rate.

If a fetus is a person can it be counted in a census? Is it
a tax deduction? Is it a citizen? Of where? Does it need
a passport?

a citizen? the fetus 'occupies' a place on earth

A citizen is a recognized legal member of a particular
country.

And a fetus is a citizen, a recognized member of the human race
according to God.

God doesn't issue citizenship papers, historically a fetus
is not a member of the human race and citizenship requires a
distinct political entity.

But keep trying. Even a stopped clock is correct twice per
day.

Michael Christ

Albert Einstein said he was a citizen of the earth...

So what? Did he decide the qualifications?

but i don't know how to verify earth to you.


i might find for you 'a blue dot' somewhere in space..
but i don't see the letters e-a-r-t-h on it, so
i'll have to keep trying to see if i can verify if
an earth exist.

wat about if i'm standing on the moon and i see
a BIG blue dot, would that help?

The Earth has no one formal political structure to grant
citizenship to anyone.

One could just as properly claim to be a citizen of the
galaxy - for what it's worth.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

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On 10/05/2024 3:05 pm, Attila wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 11:08:49 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <la5ad5FmaaaU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Thu, 9 May 2024 23:50:31 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<la42laFgid5U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 08 May 2024 21:12:05 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663C4D15.32A5@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2024 23:52:13 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663B211D.EF4@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Mon, 06 May 2024 22:02:30 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6639B5E6.4553@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Okay, back to my reverse engineering...

you agree there was some verification for an
earth and the heavens (you call it the universe)

They exist as proven by any number of verifiable and
repeatable experiments. Since they provide the structure
for our lives it would be a bit difficult to exist without
them.

And no, I am not getting into a dialog about whether or not
we exist.

'In the beginning, God
created the heavens and
the earth.'

You keep repeating a meaningless quote from an unverified
source as if is relevant. Why is that?

Since it is unverified it is useless.

Next in reverse engineering is

"created"
'...created the heavens and
the earth.'


Do you agree the universe/heavens and the earth
was...
'created'???

Not necessarily. And especially I have no idea how such
possible creation took place. Those are things that are not >>>>>>>>> yet known.

you wrote:
"creation took place"

"Possible creation" I do not concede such creation
occurred.

Are we back to the earth doesn't exist in your mind again???

Since I never said that. no.

I said there is no supporting evidence that the Earth was
created or that any god exists.

I will modify my Earth response since there is supported
evidence that it was created at some point from matter that
was not included in the sun. There is no reason to think
any "creator" was involved at any point.

I know exactly where your mind is at...


You walk into a movie theater 1 minute before the movie ends...

you walk in, sit down and everyone else gets up and leaves..

you stare at the blank screen.

dats it.


you stare at ...nothiness.


you died.

Actually when I die I expect the same level of awareness
that I had before I was born.

https://auslink.info/video/tyson_death.mp4

It sounds like our opinions basically agree.

definitely, but more than opinion. I believe we cease to exist with
death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

I agree but I have no direct evidence either way.

So you agree about what you have no evidence about.

:-).

You idiots!

I am not going to say "stupid contradictors." Oh shit, it is just too
hard; you stupid contradictors.

:-).



Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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Attila wrote:

On Wed, 15 May 2024 06:38:09 GMT, "Ted"
<ted.street@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <lLY0O.100365$Y79f.79618@fx16.iad> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2024 16:30:31 GMT, "Ted"
<ted.street@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<HkM0O.14091$yT%1.12724@fx33.iad> wrote:

Attila wrote:

On Sun, 12 May 2024 17:17:23 GMT, "Ted"
<ted.street@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<DQ60O.88922$TyYf.22662@fx15.iad> wrote:

Michael Christ wrote:

On 12/05/2024 2:49 pm, Attila wrote:

On Sat, 11 May 2024 21:07:15 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<66404073.5835@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Sat, 11 May 2024 11:10:59 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<663FB4B3.48A3@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Maximus wrote:

I believe we cease to exist with
death. I don't believe in a soul or any afterlife.

"believe"????


Of course people have souls, or a spiritual essence, or
whatchamacallit it.

When you die...your soul leaves your body.

Very similar to an out-of-the-body experience.


Your soul leaves your body and you can see your body if

you >> >> > > > > bother to look down.

Now animals don't have souls, or insects, or fishes, or
gorillas, etc, ...just people do.

Where is your evidence to support that? Unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence?

I have yet to see any evidence that any soul exists.

I performed some experiments on gorillas, and none of them

has >> a >> > > soul.

Exactly how did you determine this? Please be precise and
detailed.

Of course, they have no sole, you idiot, gorillas don't where

shoes!

Exactly.

All atheists are idiots.


Michael Christ

Oh sheesh. Attilla is still trying to insist that soles don't

exist. >> > His pointing out that animals don't wear shoes is just a
pathetic >> > grasping at straws. But it's all he has left. Because
he pig >> > headedly refuses to admit that humans have soles.

Does that include humans who have no feet?

Now you're getting into philosophy. I suppose it's possible.

I am just paying the silly homophone game I did not start.

I'm not interested in faggot games, sorry. But I crossposted this
response to alt.homosexual. Maybe someone there will play with you.

I see in your ignorance you don't know what a homophone is.
Why am I not surprised?

I suspect he does know and is just playing with you

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

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On 2024-04-29 17:36:12 +0000, Malte Runz said:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Nope. Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god.

Atheist are confident that there is no God, ...

That's a strawman. Not believing in the existence of a god is not the
same as a belief in the non-existence of a god.

Yes. Not believing in God is no more a belief than not collecting
stamps is a hobby (Richard Dawkins's example).

... as Religions are confident that there is a God.

"Religions" are not confident that there is a god. The followers are. Anyway...

They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.

Without claiming knowledge, I would say that I believe there are no
gods. But the difference between my belief and the theist's belief is
that I can be proven wrong, whereas the theist can't. And that is the fundamental difference between the two kinds of belief.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

Case closed. I don't want to hear none of your lip!

Do I make myself clear?

The allmighty Gods of Atheism have been wreaking havoc with tornados on the poor midwestern states.

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Attila < wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:44:34 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <66575B72.7656@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:57:02 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

So, since Atheism is a belief, and it's not a science...

who is claiming atheism is a science?

Most books on atheism are written by scientists and the 'scientific community', not christians.

if so that doesn't mean atheism is a science

People who write books mostly write about ..what they know.

Since most atheism books are writteb by the 'scientific community', it
is they who claiming
atheism is a science (even if they don't believe it themslves).

I already explained this, Atheism books is not about atheism...it's
about How To Murder God.

I was not aware there is a law against killing a god. Any
god..

There are laws that are called Laws of Nature, that are not written in
books...

and God does not allow anyone to get away with...Murder...especially
His.


God will get you for dat.






--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:23:36 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<y9WcnSCg6Y9UE8r7nZ2dnZfqn_YAAAAA@giganews.com> wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:44:34 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<66575B72.7656@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:57:02 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

So, since Atheism is a belief, and it's not a science...

who is claiming atheism is a science?

Most books on atheism are written by scientists and the 'scientific community', not christians.

if so that doesn't mean atheism is a science

People who write books mostly write about ..what they know.

Since most atheism books are writteb by the 'scientific community', it >>>> is they who claiming
atheism is a science (even if they don't believe it themslves).

I already explained this, Atheism books is not about atheism...it's
about How To Murder God.

I was not aware there is a law against killing a god. Any
god..

There are laws that are called Laws of Nature, that are not written in
books...

and God does not allow anyone to get away with...Murder...especially
His.


God will get you for dat.

i think , " thou shall not kill " says it all

Meaningless quotation from an unverified source.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

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On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:21:14 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <66578E3A.57FC@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Attila < wrote:

On Wed, 29 May 2024 09:44:34 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<66575B72.7656@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Maximus wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:57:02 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

So, since Atheism is a belief, and it's not a science...

who is claiming atheism is a science?

Most books on atheism are written by scientists and the 'scientific community', not christians.

if so that doesn't mean atheism is a science

People who write books mostly write about ..what they know.

Since most atheism books are writteb by the 'scientific community', it
is they who claiming
atheism is a science (even if they don't believe it themslves).

I already explained this, Atheism books is not about atheism...it's
about How To Murder God.

I was not aware there is a law against killing a god. Any
god..

There are laws that are called Laws of Nature, that are not written in >books...

If one of these laws is violated who enforces it and how?

and God does not allow anyone to get away with...Murder...especially
His.

Murder is a specific term with a specific meaning and
requires violation of specific laws under specific
conditions.

God will get you for dat.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.


--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

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Attila < wrote:

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god.

Do you see trees anywhere else in the universe?

or red, yellow and blue paint anywhere else in the universe?

or

snowflakes like we got here on earth?


or a single blade of grass anywhere else in the universe????








--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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On 2024-05-31 20:37:52 +0000, Attila < said:

On Fri, 31 May 2024 12:11:35 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <665A20E7.F58@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[ … ]

The ham sandwich is what some others accept as sufficient
evidence. Thus proving nuts are everywhere.

Chock full o'Nuts is that heavenly coffee!...

I first encountered Chock full o'Nuts during aperiod of coffee
deprivation in China in 1983. All I could find in the hotel shop was
Chock full o'Nuts. "Heavenly" is not the word I'd use. It was
absolutely the most vile coffee I have ever had. Maxwell House looked
good by comparison.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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Not if you properly define it:
Atheism is withholding belief in a soul that survives death until
sufficient evidence exists.
It is not the belief that souls don't exist.

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