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    From Aether Regained@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 16 19:12:00 2024
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-complicated-thing-imaginable-20221019/

    The positively charged particle at the heart of the atom is an object
    of unspeakable complexity, one that changes its appearance depending
    on how it is probed. We’ve attempted to connect the proton’s many
    faces to form the most complete picture yet.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Aether Regained on Fri Feb 16 22:04:47 2024
    Aether Regained <AetherRegaind@invalid.com> wrote:

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-complicated-thing-im
    aginable-20221019/

    The positively charged particle at the heart of the atom is an object
    of unspeakable complexity, one that changes its appearance depending
    on how it is probed. We've attempted to connect the proton's many
    faces to form the most complete picture yet.

    Yes, and so what?

    Jan

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  • From Aether Regained@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 20:33:00 2024
    J. J. Lodder:
    Aether Regained <AetherRegaind@invalid.com> wrote:

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-complicated-thing-im
    aginable-20221019/

    The positively charged particle at the heart of the atom is an object
    of unspeakable complexity, one that changes its appearance depending
    on how it is probed. We've attempted to connect the proton's many
    faces to form the most complete picture yet.

    Yes, and so what?

    Jan


    I shared the article, as I found it interesting, especially that
    electrons bounce off protons.

    There is some interesting discussion of said article here:

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39374020

    Also, it is a good reminder that everything we know about the
    atomic/subatomic world comes from the following types of experiments:

    1. Spectral analysis. The oldest technique, but mostly refined in the
    mid-late 1800s

    2. The early trons/tubes e.g. electron discovery by J.J.Thomson in 1890.
    The old analog CRT oscilloscope on which all of electronics depended is essentially a glorified Crookes tube!

    Tektronix: The Cathode Ray Tube - Window to Electronics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGAnJjnNY0

    Oscilloscopes and Transducers - An Introduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxwDn9ag3gc

    3. Scattering/collision experiments using radioactivity products
    starting with Rutherford in 1905, and continuing with cosmic and
    terrestrial particle accelerators, in conjunction with sophisticated
    detectors.

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Aether Regained on Sat Feb 17 15:01:20 2024
    On 2/17/24 2:33 PM, Aether Regained wrote:
    it is a good reminder that everything we know about the
    atomic/subatomic world comes from the following types of
    experiments:

    1. Spectral analysis. The oldest technique, but mostly refined in
    the mid-late 1800s

    2. The early trons/tubes e.g. electron discovery by J.J.Thomson in
    1890. The old analog CRT oscilloscope on which all of electronics
    depended is essentially a glorified Crookes tube!

    Tektronix: The Cathode Ray Tube - Window to Electronics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGAnJjnNY0

    Oscilloscopes and Transducers - An Introduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxwDn9ag3gc

    3. Scattering/collision experiments using radioactivity products
    starting with Rutherford in 1905, and continuing with cosmic and
    terrestrial particle accelerators, in conjunction with sophisticated detectors.

    Hmmmm. How does "aether" model any of those?

    Also, you forgot experiments like the existence of solids, liquids, and
    gasses, lasers, and so on. As most of these involve generating or
    detecting EM fields, other experiments are relevant, such as optical diffraction, quantum interference and entanglement, radio transmission
    and detection, etc....

    Of all the experiments mentioned above, "aether" provides a good model
    of just one or two of them.

    Tom Roberts

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