I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are written in a non-latin script.
What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
It is a kind of DOS attack,
On 2/3/2024 7:54 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
What puzzles me is that there seems to be no economic motive for
posting such huge volumes of spam. Modest amounts of spam might get
read. Spam in the expected language of the reader might get read.
The only reason for posting spam of this nature would be deliberate
mayhem, since it was not intended to be read.
It is a kind of DOS attack,
Definitely, but what is the motivation or goal of the spammers? It
doesn't make sense.
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:appreciated.
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity hasI would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So >>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages >>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks >>> messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked >>> from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces "news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their posting-account, and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the posting-accounts of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending them up.
Ross Finlayson wrote:appreciated.
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has >>> been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming >>> legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are >>> written in a non-latin script.I would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So >>> I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages >>> Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread >>> messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked >>> from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few >>> messages per day.
Tom Roberts
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief and special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then while sort of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations widespread, how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, "NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and also for email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that surfaces "news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was like, you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their posting-account, and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the posting-accounts of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending them up.
Let me see your little script. Post it here.
If i were a hacker, a real TCP guru, I'd write a script to harvest
all the spam URL links. Then another script to spawn processes which
hit those Web sites, manufacturing continuous download requests. A
massive denial of service attack.
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativity has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely overwhelming legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so it marks messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog <tomyee3@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard Hertz wrote:
Use this website. It's spam free, and you can get a free account there:
https://www.novabbs.com/tech/thread.php?group=sci.physics.relativity
Thanks!
Much better to get a real newsserver instead,
Jan
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