In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell Raemsch
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational state of the
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local rotational
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of aspinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational state of the
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local rotational
That would predict rotational chaos.spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector atthe unsupported end of a rotating mass.
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
the unsupported end of a rotating mass.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at
A gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at aconstant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at aconstant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a
No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the
gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the
force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity
(-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in
this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess
parallel to the ground.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:29:40 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a
the angular momentum vector magnitude is non-zero.No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravityFoolish Volroney. You are describing precession in the x-y plane. The there is also another mystery force vector acting on the free end of the gyroscope that exactly counteracts the force of gravity which keeps the free end from falling. But only while
(-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in
this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess
parallel to the ground.
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:29:40 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
angular momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's
constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a
while the angular momentum vector magnitude is non-zero.No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity (-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess parallel to the ground.Foolish Volroney. You are describing precession in the x-y plane. The there is also another mystery force vector acting on the free end of the gyroscope that exactly counteracts the force of gravity which keeps the free end from falling. But only
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former casehttps://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:29:40 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
angular momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's
a constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at
while the angular momentum vector magnitude is non-zero.No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity (-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess parallel to the ground.Foolish Volroney. You are describing precession in the x-y plane. The there is also another mystery force vector acting on the free end of the gyroscope that exactly counteracts the force of gravity which keeps the free end from falling. But only
laws of precession, much less the gravity defying-behavior of the free end of a gyroscope from his knowledge of mechanics. Also, there is no way that even the seeing man, even now can derive the fact that gyroscopes desire to permanently maintain theirIf the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.
Put another way, imagine a blind man who learned all of Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics. He understood them perfectly. But he had never laid eyes on a gyroscope (how could he?). There is no possible way that this man could deduce theTell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former casehttps://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a
No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the
gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the
force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity
(-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in
this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess
parallel to the ground.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at aconstant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at aconstant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.
On 11/23/2023 11:36 PM, patdolan wrote:Yes, I agree. But but you are still describing precession, my slow-witted boy. We all know about precession (Actually we don't. But more about that below.). Look here, my boy, if you add the precession vector to the gravity vector, the resulting force
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case.I already told you. The force on the free end (actually the spinning
mass) is the cross product of the gravitational force and the rotational axis, and will be perpendicular to gravity. It will be in the xy plane
(with down being -z). So the free end will move sideways, and trace a circle.
The other end of the gyroscope, the bearing or axis on the table/floor
will have the full force of gravity corresponding to its mass on it, so gravity still "works", of course.
So you don't even understand Newtonian mechanics yet you think you are
smart enough to claim relativity is wrong? Learn Newtonian mechanics first.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 1:29:40 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.
On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass.
The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universeA gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics.
There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws
of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should
be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope
in a gravitational field precess without divine help.
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular
constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a
No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravityAs always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit
(-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in
this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess
parallel to the ground.
Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".
Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational state of the
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local rotational
spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around. If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight. There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational state of the
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local rotational
spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a
Don't we push its rotation?the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight. There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity. A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of
at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight. There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up the rpms.No I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
patdolan wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight. If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upNo worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up the rpms.No I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
I have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the precession
Anyone have Einstein's patent number?This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698if you are dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the
other end with your fingers... you owe Einstein royaltities fees.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight. There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upNo worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up the rpms.No I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
I have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But theprecession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.
This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin up the gyroNo worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up the rpms.No I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
I have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The gyroscope
Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the precession isfar less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.
This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:23:27 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotatio
patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight. If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up theNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
Anyone have Einstein's patent number?This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698if you are dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the
other end with your fingers... you owe Einstein royaltities fees.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
patdolan wrote:local rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotat
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:23:27 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all
free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying
field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up theNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
Anyone have Einstein's patent number?This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698if you are dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with your fingers... you owe Einstein royaltities fees.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
https://books.google.com/books/content?id=EoMixQWUj6oC&pg=PA160&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2FKw90EXnDjk31v3VUzN9zGY8DGg&w=1280
check with the patent office in Zurich.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight. If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upNo worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up the rpms.No I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
I have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the precession
Mitch, I have just now realized the value of your term "braced in space" regarding the gyroscope. Brilliant. Now consider this: while there is "precession math" there exists no "braced math". And I defy any relativist to gainsay me in this matter.This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698I always felt it braced in space. Heavy to the tilt.
You are suggesting it is braced tilted horizontal?
I believe that is its natural gravitational orientation.
If you tilt it all of the way and leave it alone
it would remain horizontal.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:34:29 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final rotational
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all local
end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free
vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up theNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
Mitch, I have just now realized the value of your term "braced in space" regarding the gyroscope. Brilliant. Now consider this: while there is "precession math" there exists no "braced math". And I defy any relativist to gainsay me in this matter.This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698I always felt it braced in space. Heavy to the tilt.
You are suggesting it is braced tilted horizontal?
I believe that is its natural gravitational orientation.
If you tilt it all of the way and leave it alone
it would remain horizontal.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:19:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:local rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:34:29 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all
free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying
field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up theNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
You predict this, Mitch? Ahem...say Mitch, what do you make of the Dzhanibekov Effect?I predict one further thing. Where the rotation stops the gyroscope brace will go awayMitch, I have just now realized the value of your term "braced in space" regarding the gyroscope. Brilliant. Now consider this: while there is "precession math" there exists no "braced math". And I defy any relativist to gainsay me in this matter.This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698I always felt it braced in space. Heavy to the tilt.
You are suggesting it is braced tilted horizontal?
I believe that is its natural gravitational orientation.
If you tilt it all of the way and leave it alone
it would remain horizontal.
and the hanging gyroscope will fall back to its vertical axis.
Any rotation keeps the brace but without it it goes away.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:10:03 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:local rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:19:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:34:29 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all
free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it?
That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying
field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip up theNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
You predict this, Mitch? Ahem...say Mitch, what do you make of the Dzhanibekov Effect?I predict one further thing. Where the rotation stops the gyroscope brace will go awayMitch, I have just now realized the value of your term "braced in space" regarding the gyroscope. Brilliant. Now consider this: while there is "precession math" there exists no "braced math". And I defy any relativist to gainsay me in this matter.This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698I always felt it braced in space. Heavy to the tilt.
You are suggesting it is braced tilted horizontal?
I believe that is its natural gravitational orientation.
If you tilt it all of the way and leave it alone
it would remain horizontal.
and the hanging gyroscope will fall back to its vertical axis.
Any rotation keeps the brace but without it it goes away.
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:local rotational motion is decreasing, and 2) mediated by Mach's principle, all local rotational motion is imparted to the total rotational motion of the entire universe. This transfer continues until such time as what may be considered the final
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:10:03 AM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:19:32 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 9:34:29 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 6:16:27 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 9:21:08 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 5:29:42 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
In astronomy if gravity slows down rotation
where is the evidence?
The age of the universe would show most
objects should have already.
But they all have significant rotations.
Mitchell RaemschMitch, my man, somewhere I read that Mach's principle is the reason for inertia. One conclusion that can be drawn from Mach's principle is the concept of "rotational entropy" which can be understood as the requirement that 1) all
free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God.That would predict rotational chaos.
And it does not exist.
The universe as a whole does not have a center of which to rotate around.
If mach predicted rotation to go away why hasn't it? That form of motion is not going away....
The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying
field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. And that is and end to it, Mitch.Don't we push its rotation?
The earth is not a gyroscope. Its turning cancels its primary G weight.
There is more weight at the pole for the same energy/mass than
at the rotating equator.
A gyroscope gets braced in space by horizontal rotation weight.The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational
If it is tilted its rotation weight goes away.
the rpms.No worries Mitch. I have a wonderful toy gyroscope which I keep on the same shelf as my teddy bears. It weights almost two pounds, is over 6 inches in diameter, is enclosed in a plastic cover, and has a cranking port so I can really whip upNo I don't.It is the orientation that changes the turning gyroscope weight in gravity.Mitch, do you have a toy gyroscope? Get it out then post to me. We will perform a demonstration right here in this in real time.
A turning wheel on the road will have almost no vertical rotation weight.
I believe weight brace is going away where you tilt it.
gyroscope rotated down 90 degrees so that it is now dangling from the ceiling with the axis now vertical to the floor--string end is high and the other end I held in my fingers is low. Now I'll bring the axis back up to level with the floor and spin upI have attached a string to the ceiling. I am now dangling the gyroscope from that string while holding the other end with my fingers. The axis is level and parallel with the floor. It is not spinning. Now I'm letting go with my fingers. The
precession is far less dramatic and far less interesting than the gravity-defying end of the gyro hanging there in mid air. The axis is absolutely level with the floor and no visible means of support.Okay, the gyro is really humming! The string and my fingers are holding the axis level to the floor again. Now I'm going to let go with my fingers....LOOK AT THAT! The loose end doesn't rotate down this time! Yes, it's precessing. But the
Mitch, I have just now realized the value of your term "braced in space" regarding the gyroscope. Brilliant. Now consider this: while there is "precession math" there exists no "braced math". And I defy any relativist to gainsay me in this matter.This MIT schiester thinks he has solved the riddle https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698I always felt it braced in space. Heavy to the tilt.
You are suggesting it is braced tilted horizontal?
I believe that is its natural gravitational orientation.
If you tilt it all of the way and leave it alone
it would remain horizontal.
Now Mitch, take another look at the slo-mo. The rotation is always in the same direction, i.e., the angular momentum vector always points in the same direction of the universe. Also notice that the flip always occurs in a single revolution. If we hadI predict one further thing. Where the rotation stops the gyroscope brace will go awayYou predict this, Mitch? Ahem...say Mitch, what do you make of the Dzhanibekov Effect?
and the hanging gyroscope will fall back to its vertical axis.
Any rotation keeps the brace but without it it goes away.
What pushes the new flip? That starts over a little later?
Is that a God push? You talked about another proof.
I think so. Flip in space is another.
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case
Put another way, imagine a blind man who learned all of Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics. He understood them perfectly. But he had never laid eyes on a gyroscope (how could he?). There is no possible way that this man could deduce thelaws of precession, much less the gravity defying-behavior of the free end of a gyroscope from his knowledge of mechanics.
Also, there is no way that even the seeing man, even now can derive the fact that gyroscopes desire to permanently maintain their orientation to the universe
He could deduce precession if he understood the math predicting it, or
On 11/24/2023 12:16 AM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case
The weight of the gyroscope is on the fixed end. If that is removed, it
will fall. Its weight is the same whether the gyroscope is spinning or not.
For a gyroscope whose axis is horizontal will have a torque applied to
it since most of its mass isn't over the fixed end. That torque is
countered by a torque created to keep the orientation the same
(conservation of angular momentum) plus the additional torque at right angles to both causing the precession.
laws of precession, much less the gravity defying-behavior of the free end of a gyroscope from his knowledge of mechanics.Put another way, imagine a blind man who learned all of Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics. He understood them perfectly. But he had never laid eyes on a gyroscope (how could he?). There is no possible way that this man could deduce the
He could deduce precession if he understood the math predicting it, or perhaps could derive precession if he started with a rotating mass (or
set of small masses moving in a circle/instantaneously moving in a line)
and worked out the math that will lead to a precession.
Also, there is no way that even the seeing man, even now can derive the fact that gyroscopes desire to permanently maintain their orientation to the universe
And why not? The math isn't simple, but the math is understood.
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit
Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".
Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
Explain that too, Volney.
Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit
Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station". >>
Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
Explain that too, Volney.I am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top.
If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess.
If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless
of the direction of its axis.
What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: >>>> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshitI am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top.
Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station". >>>>
Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
Explain that too, Volney.
If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess.
If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless
of the direction of its axis.
What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.
Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan:You are right. This is not precession. It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace. Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example.
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz:
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: >>>> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshitI am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top.
Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space >>>>
"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".
Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
Explain that too, Volney.
If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess.
If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless
of the direction of its axis.
What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D
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Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.OK, I will give you a challenge.
The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth,
so it is rotating once per orbit.
A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS.
At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity
in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth.
(Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.)
The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis
as the ISS orbits the Earth once.
Why do you call this motion "precession"?
Second challenge:Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and
A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Which forces are acting on the spinning gyro in the ISS?
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On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:the ISS gyroscope.
Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan:
Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.
OK, I will give you a challenge.
The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth,
so it is rotating once per orbit.
A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS.
At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity
in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth.
(Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.)
The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis
as the ISS orbits the Earth once.
Why do you call this motion "precession"?
You are right. This is not precession. It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace. Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example.
Second challenge:
A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
On 11/24/2023 12:16 AM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case
The weight of the gyroscope is on the fixed end. If that is removed, it
will fall. Its weight is the same whether the gyroscope is spinning or not. >>
For a gyroscope whose axis is horizontal will have a torque applied to
it since most of its mass isn't over the fixed end. That torque is
countered by a torque created to keep the orientation the same
Now we are getting somewhere, Volroney. Let's call that second torque the "gyroscopic counter torque". I dare you Volroney, to derive the gyroscopic counter torque from first principles.
(conservation of angular momentum) plus the additional torque at right
angles to both causing the precession.
Torque can not be the source of gyroscopic precession because the precession has a constant angular velocity. If torque were the cause of precession then the precession velocity would continue to increase to to the speed of light.
Precession is an angular velocity that shows up instantaneously and is maintained by Father Soto Domingo's principle of inertia: An object in (circular) motion tends to remain in (circular) motion.
On 11/27/2023 2:36 PM, patdolan wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 11:13:46 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
On 11/24/2023 12:16 AM, patdolan wrote:
On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: >>
If the gyroscope is spinning then the free end maintains it's z value when you remove your fingers from it. If the gyroscope is not spinning then the free end immediately falls to a minimum z value when you take your fingers away.https://youtu.be/XPUuF_dECVI?si=OnAfXs6N_jn0LoM3&t=1698
Tell this forum, if you can, the source of the force opposing gravity in the former case
The weight of the gyroscope is on the fixed end. If that is removed, it >> will fall. Its weight is the same whether the gyroscope is spinning or not.
For a gyroscope whose axis is horizontal will have a torque applied to
it since most of its mass isn't over the fixed end. That torque is
countered by a torque created to keep the orientation the same
Now we are getting somewhere, Volroney. Let's call that second torque the "gyroscopic counter torque". I dare you Volroney, to derive the gyroscopic counter torque from first principles.Conservation of angular momentum.
(conservation of angular momentum) plus the additional torque at right
angles to both causing the precession.
Torque can not be the source of gyroscopic precession because the precession has a constant angular velocity. If torque were the cause of precession then the precession velocity would continue to increase to to the speed of light.The torque provided by gravity on the gyroscope's center of mass
interacts with the angular velocity vector of the rotation to produce a (constant) precession angular velocity, not a torque. The precessional angular velocity is constant as long as the angular velocity of the gyroscope is constant.
Precession is an angular velocity that shows up instantaneously and is maintained by Father Soto Domingo's principle of inertia: An object in (circular) motion tends to remain in (circular) motion.
Yes but start a gyroscope spinning but stationary with a gravitational torque on its rotating mass, it will start precessing even if you
initially hold it in a way to prevent precession.
[precession of a gyroscope] Everyone knows this Volroney. But
nobody knows why.
the ISS gyroscope.On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>> Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan:
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Second challenge:
A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and
According to Newton:
The gravitational force on any object with mass m is
always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
If the object is free falling, the gravitational
(coordinate) acceleration will be GM/r², pointing
towards the centre of the Earth.
The CG of ISS + pendulum is moving in circular orbit,
which means that the acceleration is perpendicular to
the velocity, so the acceleration ω²⋅r₀ is the centripetal
acceleration which make the ISS move in circular orbit.
The centripetal acceleration is equal to the gravitational
acceleration:
ω²⋅r₀ = GM/r₀² (1)
where ω is the angular velocity off the ISS, and r₀ is the
distance from the CG of ISS+pendulum to the centre of the Earth.
Equation (1) say that an object with angular velocity ω
must have a distance from the centre of the Earth:
r₀ = ∛(GM/ω²) to make the centripetal acceleration equal
to the gravitational acceleration.
The pendulum mass m is not free falling because:
Its distance to the centre of the Earth is:
r₁ = r₀-L where L is the length of the pendulum.
So r₁ < r₀, but the angular velocity of m is the same ω,
and r₁ < ∛(GM/ω²), which means that:
ω²⋅r₁ < GM/r₁² (2)
The centripetal acceleration is smaller than the gravitational
acceleration, so the force the string is acting on
the pendulum mass is F₁ = m⋅(GM/r₁²-ω²⋅r₁)
---
An interesting point is that you could have a pendulum
on the other side of the ISS, pointing outwards from the
centre of the Earth.
The force the string is acting on the mass m is:
F₂ = m⋅(ω²⋅r₂-GM/r₂²)
F₁ and F₂ are called tidal forces.
(It's a tidal bulge on both sides of the Earth)
On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 4:20:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:and the ISS gyroscope.
Den 30.11.2023 21:12, skrev patdolan:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>>>> Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan:
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
Second challenge:
A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum
According to Newton:
The gravitational force on any object with mass m is
always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
If the object is free falling, the gravitational
(coordinate) acceleration will be GM/r², pointing
towards the centre of the Earth.
The CG of ISS + pendulum is moving in circular orbit,
which means that the acceleration is perpendicular to
the velocity, so the acceleration ω²⋅r₀ is the centripetal
acceleration which make the ISS move in circular orbit.
The centripetal acceleration is equal to the gravitational
acceleration:
ω²⋅r₀ = GM/r₀² (1)
where ω is the angular velocity off the ISS, and r₀ is the
distance from the CG of ISS+pendulum to the centre of the Earth.
Equation (1) say that an object with angular velocity ω
must have a distance from the centre of the Earth:
r₀ = ∛(GM/ω²) to make the centripetal acceleration equal
to the gravitational acceleration.
The pendulum mass m is not free falling because:
Its distance to the centre of the Earth is:
r₁ = r₀-L where L is the length of the pendulum.
So r₁ < r₀, but the angular velocity of m is the same ω,
and r₁ < ∛(GM/ω²), which means that:
ω²⋅r₁ < GM/r₁² (2)
The centripetal acceleration is smaller than the gravitational
acceleration, so the force the string is acting on
the pendulum mass is F₁ = m⋅(GM/r₁²-ω²⋅r₁)
---
An interesting point is that you could have a pendulum
on the other side of the ISS, pointing outwards from the
centre of the Earth.
The force the string is acting on the mass m is:
F₂ = m⋅(ω²⋅r₂-GM/r₂²)
F₁ and F₂ are called tidal forces.
(It's a tidal bulge on both sides of the Earth)>> No comment, Pat?
You claimed that there were no forces on the pendulum.
I showed you that you could have a pendulum on both
sides of the ISS, and the pendulum strings will exert
forces on the pendulum masses, acting towards the ISS.
And GR predicts the same!
Do you realise that you were wrong, but won't admit it,
so you ignore my post, hoping that nobody will notice
your failure.
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Paul
https://paulba.no/
Paul, I am happy to comment on the ISS pendulum problem. But first I would like to exploit my leverage over you in this matter. I will comment in a most shocking manner if you first agree toscientific mystery and has never been derived from first principles.
1) State to this forum that the source of the gyroscopic counter torque which exactly opposes any torque placed on a gyroscope to keep it from falling over, as it does when a torque is applied to a g-scope when it is not spinning, is a complete
and
2) You stipulate that no matter what he types in this forum, Tom Roberts also does not understand the gyroscopic counter-torque.
Do these two things and I will comment on your pendulum.
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