• A short proof of the inconsistency of The Shit

    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 5 00:08:22 2023
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sun Nov 5 15:10:21 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:08:24 AM UTC-3, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.

    And the same idiotic conclusion applies for "length contraction".

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Sun Nov 5 21:40:21 2023
    On 11/5/23 5:10 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
    [for two clocks at rest in relatively moving frames] Both clocks
    show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference
    at relative rest is taken for calculations.

    Yes. For once you have written something that is correct.

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science,

    Nope! It merely shows that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SR.

    Hint: the two frames are measuring DIFFERENT QUANTITIES.
    There is no contradiction.

    Tom Roberts

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Sun Nov 5 22:09:44 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:40:33 AM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 11/5/23 5:10 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
    [for two clocks at rest in relatively moving frames] Both clocks
    show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference
    at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Yes. For once you have written something that is correct.
    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science,
    Nope! It merely shows that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SR.

    Hint: the two frames are measuring DIFFERENT QUANTITIES.
    There is no contradiction.

    Tom Roberts


    Lame justification of the paradox at this link, maintained by relativists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

    LAME: "This result appears puzzling because each twin sees the other twin as moving, and so, as a consequence of an incorrect[1][2] and naive[3][4] application of time dilation and the principle of relativity, each should paradoxically find the other to
    have aged less.
    However, this scenario can be resolved within the standard framework of special relativity: the travelling twin's trajectory involves two different inertial frames, one for the outbound journey and one for the inbound journey.[5]"

    EVEN MORE LAME: "Another way of looking at it is to realize the travelling twin is undergoing ACCELERATION, which makes him a non-inertial observer. In both views there is no symmetry between the spacetime paths of the twins. Therefore, the twin paradox
    is not actually a paradox in the sense of a logical contradiction. THERE IS STILL DEBATE as to the resolution of the twin paradox.[6]"

    So Tom, while this topic has been discussed for 100 years, for you such debate is senseless because you know better than half the relativists.

    Good for you, even when you are wrong and accuse others of "not understanding". The problem is quite alive, being so old, but even a kid beats you debating.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Sun Nov 5 23:38:46 2023
    On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 04:40:33 UTC+1, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 11/5/23 5:10 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
    [for two clocks at rest in relatively moving frames] Both clocks
    show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference
    at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Yes. For once you have written something that is correct.
    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science,
    Nope! It merely shows that YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SR.

    Hint: the two frames are measuring DIFFERENT QUANTITIES.

    Screaming won't help, trash, anyone can check GPS, no,
    they aren't. Of course, even if they were - it wouldn't change
    the fact that the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent, as proven above.

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 6 11:00:37 2023
    Den 06.11.2023 00:10, skrev Richard Hertz:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:08:24 AM UTC-3, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.

    Right!


    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.


    If there are inconsistencies, they should be here:

    https://paulba.no/pdf/Mutual_time_dilation.pdf

    Can you find them and point them out?


    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Paul B. Andersen on Mon Nov 6 02:07:26 2023
    On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 10:59:06 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 06.11.2023 00:10, skrev Richard Hertz:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:08:24 AM UTC-3, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Right!

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.
    If there are inconsistencies, they should be here:

    There are and they're pointed above, poor fanatic trash.
    Pretending you haven't noticed and changing the subject
    won't save The Shit, at least not in the long term.

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  • From Dono.@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Mon Nov 6 12:21:24 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
    snip fresh imbecilities<

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  • From Prokaryotic Capase Homolog@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Mon Nov 6 19:14:32 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:09:47 AM UTC-6, Richard Hertz wrote:

    Lame justification of the paradox at this link, maintained by relativists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

    There is no paradox.

    *IF* there were a paradox, then each twin would disagree
    as to how many years that the other twin has aged. In
    reality, if the twins maintain communication throughout
    the traveling twin's flight, then both twins will be in perfect
    agreement about who aged by how much, regardless of
    their different experiences. See my discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Twin_paradox

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Paul B. Andersen on Mon Nov 6 19:32:51 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:59:06 AM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 06.11.2023 00:10, skrev Richard Hertz:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 4:08:24 AM UTC-3, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Right!

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.
    If there are inconsistencies, they should be here:

    https://paulba.no/pdf/Mutual_time_dilation.pdf

    Can you find them and point them out?


    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/


    Frames origin separated by d = vt, after being synchronized when both origins are coincident (at t = 0).

    Time elapsed AT ANY SELECTED relatively stationary reference frame: t = d/v.

    PERCEPTION of the time elapsed at ANY SELECTED RELATIVELY MOVING reference frame: τ = γt.

    Paul: "The symmetry is obvious".
    Paul: "Which clock is running slow or fast relative to which?"
    Paul: "The answer depends on how the clocks are compared!"


    NO, Paul, it is not.

    As a typical relativist, you need to make muddy waters of an explanation, so you can display your lies and fallacies.

    The problem couldn't be MORE SIMPLE, but you need to make the explanation as twisted and retorted as possible. It's similar to
    the attitude of an eccentric "smart ass" who wants to scratch his left ear with his right arm, but passing it around its neck, instead
    of using the left arm OR the right arm crossing his chest.

    You have been assimilated by the relativistic doctrine, which is: make things as complicated as possible, to set a defense ground
    for any refutation. With this technique, you'll always have the means to explain a simple thing in complex ways, abusing of fallacies
    and, of course, deceptive assertions.

    Relativity IS A PSEUDO-SCIENCE and, as you embraced it decades ago, for you is better to die than to reason and concede.

    The paradox is not that SR is a flawed metaphysical theory. The paradox, on you, is that being intelligent yet chose a stupid theory till the end,
    and waste all your energy defending this crap.

    It's exactly the behavior of A FANATIC in science, football, politics, history, etc.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Paul B. Andersen on Tue Nov 7 07:02:53 2023
    On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 15:33:31 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 07.11.2023 04:32, skrev Richard Hertz:
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:59:06 AM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 06.11.2023 00:10, skrev Richard Hertz:

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Right!

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.

    If there are inconsistencies, they should be here:

    https://paulba.no/pdf/Mutual_time_dilation.pdf

    Can you find them and point them out?

    Note: The question is NOT if SR is correct in the sense that
    its predictions are consistent with measurement/observations.
    This can't be proved.

    The question is if SR is consistent, that is free of self contradictions. That SR is consistent can be and is proved.

    A lie, of course, as expected from relativistic trash. It's not
    proven, it's actually proven oppositely - right above.


    To prove that "The Shit" is inconsistent, you have to prove that
    the Lorentz transformation (LT) is inconsistent.

    Bull;shit. To prove that The Shit is inconsistent, I have to
    point 2 claims/predictions denying each other, it's done.

    Your admission of your failure to understand the mathematics of SR

    Is "SR" and "mathematics of SR" the same, poor halfbrain?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 15:10:11 2023
    Le 07/11/2023 à 15:33, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
    Den 07.11.2023 04:32, skrev Richard Hertz:

    Relativity IS A PSEUDO-SCIENCE and, as you embraced it decades ago, for you is
    better to die than to reason and concede.

    No, the theory of relativity is not a pseudo science.

    It is a superb theory whose origin begins with Joseph Larmor and Henri Poincaré at the end of the 19th century.

    The immense problem (and it's sad) comes from the fact that the theory has completely drifted, and that today, no one understands it anymore, it has become so stupid.

    Many people today say that you should throw it away, but that's just as
    stupid.

    You just need to purify it.

    The problem is that we don't want to.

    Some want to destroy it (cranks), others want to maintain it as an
    acceptable ideology (Paul B.Andersen). Both are wrong.

    I explained where the problems were coming from. The first problem is the negation of Dr. Hachel's concept relating to the relativity of
    simultaneity (very poorly understood by physicists), the second problem concerns the refusal of the covariance of relativistic effects (which is a shame) and the negation of Hachel's equation L=L₀.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)/(1+cosµ.Vo/c), the third concerns the erroneous calculation of proper times in accelerated frames of reference, and the
    fourth is the calculation erroneous instantaneous speeds of relativistic
    speeds in accelerated media,
    because of a too easy, but stupid equation v=x/(tB-tA) that physicists
    use, without understanding that in SR (accelerated) such behavior is
    purely stupid.
    So I explained the problem by saying that we had to take the right path,
    and not diverge to the left (deny everything) or to the right (accept everything).
    I explained the four problems of the theory of special relativity.
    I come up against stupidity, condescension, and general hardness.
    I think that in this refusal to listen to me there exists a real religious fanaticism as stupid as Muslim fanaticism.

    Doctor Richard Hachel.

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 15:35:03 2023
    Den 07.11.2023 04:32, skrev Richard Hertz:
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:59:06 AM UTC-3, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
    Den 06.11.2023 00:10, skrev Richard Hertz:

    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed relativists that maintain the Wiki page:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation

    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt.
    Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point in that frame, so that Δx′ = 0, then the transformations
    give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks
    of his own clock".

    CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    Right!

    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science, which has gained reputation as the stroke of a genius who destroyed Newton's physics.

    If there are inconsistencies, they should be here:

    https://paulba.no/pdf/Mutual_time_dilation.pdf

    Can you find them and point them out?


    Note: The question is NOT if SR is correct in the sense that
    its predictions are consistent with measurement/observations.
    This can't be proved.

    The question is if SR is consistent, that is free of self contradictions.
    That SR is consistent can be and is proved.



    Frames origin separated by d = vt, after being synchronized when both origins are coincident (at t = 0).

    Time elapsed AT ANY SELECTED relatively stationary reference frame: t = d/v.

    Right. But let us express it more precisely.

    _Everything below follows from the Lorentz transformation._

    Below is the frame K' moving along the positive x-axis
    of frame K at the speed v. Origins are aligned at t = t' = 0

    -----
    If you select frame K as "the stationary frame"
    we have two events of interest,
    Event E₀, the origins of the frames are aligned
    Event E₁, the origin of K' is at x = d

    E₀: In K, the coordinates of this event are: x₀ = 0, t₀ = 0
    E₁: In K, the coordinates of this event are: x₁ = d, t₁ = d/v

    Note that the times t = 0 and t = d/v are read off two
    different coordinate clocks, one at x = 0 and one at x = d

    ------
    If you select frame K' as "the stationary frame"
    we have two events of interest,
    Event E₀, the origins of the frames are aligned.
    Event E₂, the origin of K is at x' = -d.

    E₀: In K', the coordinates of this event are: x₀' = 0, t₀' = 0
    E₂: In K', the coordinates of this event are: x₂' = -d, t₂' = d/v

    Note that the times t' = 0 and t' = d/v are read off two
    different coordinate clocks, one at x' = 0 and one at x' =-d

    ----
    You wrongly assume that E₁ and E₂ are the same event because
    you think that t = t' for any event always.
    But that is a postulate of NM (or Galilean Relativity),
    it is NOT valid in SR.


    PERCEPTION of the time elapsed at ANY SELECTED RELATIVELY MOVING reference frame: τ = γt.

    You probably meant τ = t/γ where γ = 1/√(1 −v²/c²)
    This is 'kind of right'. Let's see:

    -------
    When K is the "stationary frame", K' is the "moving frame":
    In K', the coordinates of E₀ are: x₀' = 0, t₀' = 0
    In K', the coordinates of E₁ are: x₁' = 0, t₁' = d/(vγ) = t₁/γ

    Note that the times t₀' = 0 and t₁' = d/(vγ) are read off the same coordinate clock, namely the one at the origin of K', x' = 0.
    So the time (t₁'-t₀') = d/(vγ) is a proper time, τ' = d/(vγ) = t₁/γ

    --------
    When K' is the "stationary frame", K is the "moving frame":
    In K, the coordinates of E₀ are: x₀ = 0, t₀ = 0
    In K, the coordinates of E₂ are: x₂ = 0, t₂ = d/(vγ) = t₂'/γ

    Note that the times t₀ = 0 and t₂ = d/(vγ) are read off the same coordinate clock, namely the one at the origin of K, x = 0.
    So the time (t₂-t₀) = d/(vγ) is a proper time τ = d/(vγ) = t₂/γ -------------

    Conclusion:
    When K is "the stationary frame":
    The clock at the origin of the "moving frame" K' will advance
    τ'= d/(vγ) while the time (t₁-t₀)= d/v passes in K.
    The time in the moving frame appears to run slow.

    When K' is "the stationary frame":
    The clock at the origin of the "moving frame" K will advance
    τ = d/(vγ) while the time (t₁'-t₀')= d/v passes in K'.
    The time in the moving frame appears to run slow.


    Paul: "The symmetry is obvious".
    Paul: "Which clock is running slow or fast relative to which?"
    Paul: "The answer depends on how the clocks are compared!"


    NO, Paul, it is not.

    What is not?

    To prove that "The Shit" is inconsistent, you have to prove that
    the Lorentz transformation (LT) is inconsistent.

    That is, you must show that the mathematics of SR is inconsistent.


    As a typical relativist, you need to make muddy waters of an explanation, so you can display your lies and fallacies.

    The problem couldn't be MORE SIMPLE, but you need to make the explanation as twisted and retorted as possible. It's similar to
    the attitude of an eccentric "smart ass" who wants to scratch his left ear with his right arm, but passing it around its neck, instead
    of using the left arm OR the right arm crossing his chest.

    You have been assimilated by the relativistic doctrine, which is: make things as complicated as possible, to set a defense ground
    for any refutation. With this technique, you'll always have the means to explain a simple thing in complex ways, abusing of fallacies
    and, of course, deceptive assertions.

    Your admission of your failure to understand the mathematics of SR
    is hardly a proof of its inconsistency! :-D


    Relativity IS A PSEUDO-SCIENCE and, as you embraced it decades ago, for you is better to die than to reason and concede.

    The paradox is not that SR is a flawed metaphysical theory. The paradox, on you, is that being intelligent yet chose a stupid theory till the end,
    and waste all your energy defending this crap.

    It's exactly the behavior of A FANATIC in science, football, politics, history, etc.

    Repeating your opinion of SR won't do.

    Do the mathematics that prove SR inconsistent, or shut up.

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Tue Nov 7 07:35:26 2023
    On Tuesday, 7 November 2023 at 16:10:15 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:
    Le 07/11/2023 à 15:33, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
    Den 07.11.2023 04:32, skrev Richard Hertz:

    Relativity IS A PSEUDO-SCIENCE and, as you embraced it decades ago, for you is
    better to die than to reason and concede.
    No, the theory of relativity is not a pseudo science.

    It is a superb theory whose origin begins with Joseph Larmor and Henri Poincaré at the end of the 19th century.

    The mumble of your idiot guru was not
    even consistent, and it is proven right
    above. Face it, fanatic.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Prokaryotic Capase Homolog on Tue Nov 7 17:47:15 2023
    On November 6, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:
    Lame justification of the paradox at this link, maintained by relativists: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

    There is no paradox.

    *IF* there were a paradox, then each twin would disagree
    as to how many years that the other twin has aged. In
    reality, if the twins maintain communication throughout
    the traveling twin's flight, then both twins will be in perfect
    agreement about who aged by how much, regardless of
    their different experiences. See my discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Twin_paradox

    Suppose, instead of accelerating from v = 0, the traveler is already
    moving at V, when he meets the home twin? Then at that instant,
    they sync clocks at t =0

    --
    Rich

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Dono. on Tue Nov 7 22:48:04 2023
    Dono. wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
    snip fresh imbecilities<

    You're the No. 1 skank.



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From Prokaryotic Capase Homolog@21:1/5 to RichD on Wed Nov 8 03:45:46 2023
    On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 7:47:18 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
    On November 6, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:
    Lame justification of the paradox at this link, maintained by relativists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

    There is no paradox.

    *IF* there were a paradox, then each twin would disagree
    as to how many years that the other twin has aged. In
    reality, if the twins maintain communication throughout
    the traveling twin's flight, then both twins will be in perfect
    agreement about who aged by how much, regardless of
    their different experiences. See my discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Twin_paradox
    Suppose, instead of accelerating from v = 0, the traveler is already
    moving at V, when he meets the home twin? Then at that instant,
    they sync clocks at t =0

    Regardless of any variations that you make in the traveling
    twin's itinerary, at the end of the journey, when both twins
    meet up again, both twins will be in perfect agreement
    about who aged by how much, regardless of their different
    experiences. This is an *inevitable* consequence of the
    properties of Minkowski spacetime. This is simple
    geometry. A glance at the Minkowski diagram should tell
    you that, even before you go into any detailed calculations
    such as I presented in the table.

    Since there can be no disagreement between the twins
    on this matter, there can never be a paradox.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Prokaryotic Capase Homolog on Wed Nov 8 04:04:47 2023
    On Wednesday, 8 November 2023 at 12:45:48 UTC+1, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:

    Regardless of any variations that you make in the traveling
    twin's itinerary, at the end of the journey, when both twins
    meet up again, both twins will be in perfect agreement
    about who aged by how much, regardless of their different
    experiences

    Sure, poor halfbrain. The quantity called "age"
    is determined by subtraction of birth date
    from current date. It's no way related to your "proper
    time" idiocy. And about the *inevitable*
    consequence of the properties of Minkowski
    spacetime - well, you can put it straight into
    your dumb, fanatic ass, where it belongs.

    Anyway, the inconsistency which is the
    subject of this thread is no way related
    to your moronic twins; of course, neither
    you nor any of your fellow idiots has
    found any flaw in my proof, you can only
    desperately try to change the subject to a
    more comfortable to you.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Prokaryotic Capase Homolog on Thu Nov 9 17:27:17 2023
    On November 8, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:
    *IF* there were a paradox, then each twin would disagree
    as to how many years that the other twin has aged. In
    reality, if the twins maintain communication throughout
    the traveling twin's flight, then both twins will be in perfect
    agreement about who aged by how much, regardless of
    their different experiences. See my discussion here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Twin_paradox

    Suppose, instead of accelerating from v = 0, the traveler is already
    moving at V, when he meets the home twin? Then at that instant,
    they sync clocks at t =0

    Regardless of any variations that you make in the traveling
    twin's itinerary, at the end of the journey, when both twins
    meet up again, both twins will be in perfect agreement
    about who aged by how much, regardless of their different
    experiences. A glance at the Minkowski diagram should tell
    you that, even before you go into any detailed calculations
    such as I presented in the table.

    Missing the point, as usual.

    The question isn't whether they agree at finish, it's a matter of distinguishing
    two different scenarios.  One, that you cover, posits the traveler starting from
    rest, then accelerating.  In the other, the traveler is moving at speed V before
    they rendezvous.

    There are a million articles on the twins paradox, and none of them ever address
    this point in their flabby pseudo-analysis.  So here's your chance to be one in a
    million: recognize the distinction, and analyze both cases.

    For bonus credit, place an observer Henry halfway along the route, and ask: what do the clocks show, when Traveler meets Henry?  Note that, in the case where Traveler is already in motion, Henry and Earthbound Ed will demonstrate the relative simultaneity concept; quite instructive.  

    --
    Rich

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  • From Prokaryotic Capase Homolog@21:1/5 to RichD on Thu Nov 9 20:18:56 2023
    On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:27:19 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
    On November 8, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote:

    Regardless of any variations that you make in the traveling
    twin's itinerary, at the end of the journey, when both twins
    meet up again, both twins will be in perfect agreement
    about who aged by how much, regardless of their different
    experiences. A glance at the Minkowski diagram should tell
    you that, even before you go into any detailed calculations
    such as I presented in the table.
    Missing the point, as usual.

    The question isn't whether they agree at finish, it's a matter of distinguishing
    two different scenarios. One, that you cover, posits the traveler starting from
    rest, then accelerating. In the other, the traveler is moving at speed V before
    they rendezvous.

    There are a million articles on the twins paradox, and none of them ever address
    this point in their flabby pseudo-analysis. So here's your chance to be one in a
    million: recognize the distinction, and analyze both cases.

    For bonus credit, place an observer Henry halfway along the route, and ask: what do the clocks show, when Traveler meets Henry? Note that, in the case where Traveler is already in motion, Henry and Earthbound Ed will demonstrate
    the relative simultaneity concept; quite instructive.

    The point that I tried to make, is that EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO
    that you wish to dream up yields a consistent result.

    Whether the traveling twin starts from rest and accelerates, or is
    given a running start at the beginning makes absolutely no difference.
    The distinctions that you find so utterly disconcerting are trivial
    variations of the basic analysis.

    Sticking a few extra observers along the route also makes no
    difference, even though the different observers will have different experiences.

    There is no paradox.

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Fri Nov 17 15:35:45 2023
    On November 5, Richard Hertz wrote:
    More ridiculous is the LACK OF explanation of symmetry in relativity, explained by pure breed
    relativists that maintain the Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation
    "Time dilation"
    "Suppose there is a clock at rest in F. If a time interval is measured at the same point in that frame,
    then the transformations give this interval in F′ by Δt′ = γΔt. Conversely, suppose there is a clock at rest in F′. If an interval is measured at the same point
    in that frame, then the transformations give this interval in F by Δt = γΔt′.
    Either way, each observer measures the time interval between ticks of a moving clock to be longer
    by a factor γ than the time interval between ticks of his own clock". CONCLUSION: Both clocks show the same "time dilation", depending on which frame of
    reference at relative rest is taken for calculations.
    This alone shows the incoherence of this pseudo-science

    A railroad track runs north-south. A train runs northward. Al and Bob sit at stations along the track, with Al south of Bob. Carl and Dave ride the train, Carl in front of Dave.

    Carl rendezvous with Al, they zero their clocks.
    I) the track frame: Eventually, Carl meets Bob, they compare clocks.
    Later, Al and Bob agree that Carl's clock runs slow.
    II) the train frame: Eventually, Al meets Dave, they compare clocks.
    Later, Carl and Dave agree that Al's clock runs slow.

    These are TWO DIFFERENT EXPERIMENTS.

    However, you're correct, the Wiki pseudo-explanation referenced above is muddled, in a too common fashion; "Al sees Carl's clock running slow, while Carl sees Al's clock running slow." Not even wrong. Al's clock is observed by Carl AND HIS GRID; ditto Carl's clock, by symmetry. Al and Carl, each by himself, can't do it.



    --
    Rich

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 17:40:12 2024
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 18:36:36 2024
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 17:40, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Your rants won't change anything, the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent,
    what has been proven.
    BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
    Or maybe "for any element of the domain" clause
    is still confusing you, poor stinker?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 17:32:02 2024
    XPost: fr.soc.religion

    Le 09/03/2024 à 17:40, Python a écrit :
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?

    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Le problème, c'est les bases.

    C'est vrai que pour un Hachel, "Einsteinian physics" c'est pas toujours
    de la crème.

    Mais comme pour un Jean-Pierre Python, c'est le Dieu éternel à
    aduler...

    Tout cela est puéril et se paye.

    "En ce monde et dans l'autre" comme me disait un intervenant.

    Pauvre intervenant qui n'a TOUJOURS pas compris la grosseur de ma bite,
    et la vaseline agréée à utiliser pour que les va et vient soit
    agréables.

    "Je vais et je viens,
    au creux de tes reins".
    Serge.

    Mais non, mais non...

    C'est pas les mêmes.

    En ce monde, c'est pour les uns ; dans l'autre, c'est pour les autres.

    Jean-Pierre, je te supplie de faire entrer un peu d'intelligence entre
    tes deux neurones.

    Tu files un mauvais coton.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 19:19:57 2024
    Le 09/03/2024 à 18:36, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 17:40, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Your rants won't change anything, the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent,
    what has been proven.

    It is not a rant. Your argument is utterly stupid.

    BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
    Or maybe "for any element of the domain" clause
    is still confusing you,

    You are dense, Maciej...

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_(math%C3%A9matiques)#Fonction_et_application

    """ Dans les années 1950, l'école Bourbaki tente de définir précisément les deux notions. Ainsi peut-on lire dans un projet de rédaction du
    Livre I, Chapitre II des Éléments de 19547, les définitions suivantes :

    La relation R(x,y) est appelée une relation fonctionnelle de type
    (T × U) si elle satisfait à la condition suivante : quel que soit x, il existe au plus un y tel R(x,y). À toute relation fonctionnelle, on
    attache un objet nouveau que l'on appelle une fonction8 ;
    On appelle champ de définition de la fonction f l'ensemble des
    éléments x de E pour lesquels il existe y tel que R(x,y). C'est une
    partie E de E. On dit que f est définie sur E et dans E9 ;
    Au lieu de parler d'une fonction définie sur E et prenant ses
    valeurs dans F, on parle d'une application de E dans F10.

    Même si, dans la rédaction finale des Éléments de 197011, la fonction
    est toujours définie sur son ensemble de départ, cette distinction est reprise dans l'enseignement français du secondaire, premier et second
    cycle, quand, à la suite de la Commission Lichnerowicz, se mettent en
    place les nouveaux programmes, à partir de 1968. Ainsi voit-on dès la
    6e, illustrées par des diagrammes sagittaux, les définitions suivantes :

    les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part au plus une flèche, s'appellent des fonctions ;
    les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part exactement une flèche, s'appellent des applications.

    En pratique, le fait qu'il suffise de réduire l'ensemble de départ d'une fonction à son ensemble de définition pour la transformer en application
    rend peu utile ce distinguo. """



    poor stinker

    Nice signature though.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 9 20:50:27 2024
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 19:19, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 18:36, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 17:40, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Your rants won't change anything, the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent,
    what has been proven.

    It is not a rant. Your argument is utterly stupid.

    Your rants won't change anything, the utterly
    stupid mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent, what has been proven.

    BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
    Or maybe "for any element of the domain" clause
    is still confusing you,

    You are dense, Maciej...

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_(math%C3%A9matiques)#Fonction_et_application

    """ Dans les années 1950, l'école Bourbaki tente de définir précisément les deux notions. Ainsi peut-on lire dans un projet de rédaction du
    Livre I, Chapitre II des Éléments de 19547, les définitions suivantes :

        La relation R(x,y) est appelée une relation fonctionnelle de type
    (T × U) si elle satisfait à la condition suivante : quel que soit x, il existe au plus un y tel R(x,y). À toute relation fonctionnelle, on
    attache un objet nouveau que l'on appelle une fonction8 ;
        On appelle champ de définition de la fonction f l'ensemble des éléments x de E pour lesquels il existe y tel que R(x,y). C'est une
    partie E de E. On dit que f est définie sur E et dans E9 ;
        Au lieu de parler d'une fonction définie sur E et prenant ses valeurs dans F, on parle d'une application de E dans F10.

    Même si, dans la rédaction finale des Éléments de 197011, la fonction
    est toujours définie sur son ensemble de départ, cette distinction est reprise dans l'enseignement français du secondaire, premier et second
    cycle, quand, à la suite de la Commission Lichnerowicz, se mettent en
    place les nouveaux programmes, à partir de 1968. Ainsi voit-on dès la
    6e, illustrées par des diagrammes sagittaux, les définitions suivantes :

        les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de départ, il part au plus une flèche, s'appellent des fonctions ;
        les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de départ, il part exactement une flèche, s'appellent des applications.

    En pratique, le fait qu'il suffise de réduire l'ensemble de départ d'une fonction à son ensemble de définition pour la transformer en application rend peu utile ce distinguo. """

    So? Is "for any element of the domain" clause in the
    definition of function still confusing you or have you
    learned something, poor stinker?

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 03:31:27 2024
    Le 09/03/2024 à 20:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 19:19, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 18:36, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 17:40, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Your rants won't change anything, the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent,
    what has been proven.

    It is not a rant. Your argument is utterly stupid.

    Your rants won't change anything, the utterly
    stupid  mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent, what has been proven.

    You've proven nothing but your own confusion and dementia.

    BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
    Or maybe "for any element of the domain" clause
    is still confusing you,

    You are dense, Maciej...

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_(math%C3%A9matiques)#Fonction_et_application

    """ Dans les années 1950, l'école Bourbaki tente de définir
    précisément les deux notions. Ainsi peut-on lire dans un projet de
    rédaction du Livre I, Chapitre II des Éléments de 19547, les
    définitions suivantes :

         La relation R(x,y) est appelée une relation fonctionnelle de type >> (T × U) si elle satisfait à la condition suivante : quel que soit x,
    il existe au plus un y tel R(x,y). À toute relation fonctionnelle, on
    attache un objet nouveau que l'on appelle une fonction8 ;
         On appelle champ de définition de la fonction f l'ensemble des
    éléments x de E pour lesquels il existe y tel que R(x,y). C'est une
    partie E de E. On dit que f est définie sur E et dans E9 ;
         Au lieu de parler d'une fonction définie sur E et prenant ses
    valeurs dans F, on parle d'une application de E dans F10.

    Même si, dans la rédaction finale des Éléments de 197011, la fonction
    est toujours définie sur son ensemble de départ, cette distinction est
    reprise dans l'enseignement français du secondaire, premier et second
    cycle, quand, à la suite de la Commission Lichnerowicz, se mettent en
    place les nouveaux programmes, à partir de 1968. Ainsi voit-on dès la
    6e, illustrées par des diagrammes sagittaux, les définitions suivantes : >>
         les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part au plus une flèche, s'appellent des fonctions ;
         les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part exactement une flèche, s'appellent des applications.

    En pratique, le fait qu'il suffise de réduire l'ensemble de départ
    d'une fonction à son ensemble de définition pour la transformer en
    application rend peu utile ce distinguo. """

    So? Is "for any element of the domain" clause in the
    definition of function still confusing you or have you
    learned something,

    Did you notice the distinction between "ensemble de départ" and
    "domaine" that has been (and still) is make in French math education?

    poor stinker
    Nice signature though.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 10 07:22:38 2024
    W dniu 10.03.2024 o 03:31, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 20:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 19:19, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 18:36, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 09.03.2024 o 17:40, Python pisze:
    Le 09/03/2024 à 10:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.


    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.


    This deserves a prize for the most idiotic argument ever made here.

    Your rants won't change anything, the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent,
    what has been proven.

    It is not a rant. Your argument is utterly stupid.

    Your rants won't change anything, the utterly
    stupid  mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent, what has been proven.

    You've proven nothing but your own confusion and dementia.

    Oh yes, I've pointed directly 2 denying itself
    numeric predictions of the utterly stupid physics
    of your utterly stupid idiot guru - and that's
    a proof of its inconsistency. Your utterly stupid
    rants are not changing it at all.


    BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
    Or maybe "for any element of the domain" clause
    is still confusing you,

    You are dense, Maciej...

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_(math%C3%A9matiques)#Fonction_et_application

    """ Dans les années 1950, l'école Bourbaki tente de définir
    précisément les deux notions. Ainsi peut-on lire dans un projet de
    rédaction du Livre I, Chapitre II des Éléments de 19547, les
    définitions suivantes :

         La relation R(x,y) est appelée une relation fonctionnelle de
    type (T × U) si elle satisfait à la condition suivante : quel que
    soit x, il existe au plus un y tel R(x,y). À toute relation
    fonctionnelle, on attache un objet nouveau que l'on appelle une
    fonction8 ;
         On appelle champ de définition de la fonction f l'ensemble des >>> éléments x de E pour lesquels il existe y tel que R(x,y). C'est une
    partie E de E. On dit que f est définie sur E et dans E9 ;
         Au lieu de parler d'une fonction définie sur E et prenant ses
    valeurs dans F, on parle d'une application de E dans F10.

    Même si, dans la rédaction finale des Éléments de 197011, la fonction >>> est toujours définie sur son ensemble de départ, cette distinction
    est reprise dans l'enseignement français du secondaire, premier et
    second cycle, quand, à la suite de la Commission Lichnerowicz, se
    mettent en place les nouveaux programmes, à partir de 1968. Ainsi
    voit-on dès la 6e, illustrées par des diagrammes sagittaux, les
    définitions suivantes :

         les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part au plus une flèche, s'appellent des fonctions ;
         les relations telles que, de chaque élément de l'ensemble de
    départ, il part exactement une flèche, s'appellent des applications.

    En pratique, le fait qu'il suffise de réduire l'ensemble de départ
    d'une fonction à son ensemble de définition pour la transformer en
    application rend peu utile ce distinguo. """

    So? Is "for any element of the domain" clause in the
    definition of function still confusing you or have you
    learned something,

    Did you notice the distinction between "ensemble de départ" and
    "domaine" that has been (and still) is make in French math education?

    Maybe; so?
    Is "for any element of the domain" clause in the
    definition of function still confusing you or have you
    learned something, poor stinker?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 22 19:06:27 2024
    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 18:47, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer

    A lie, as expected from a relativistic
    idiot in general and from Harrie especially,
    one observer present here, a moving (wrt
    Solar System) one.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 22 16:47:17 2024
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer looking at the same
    clock, and somehow believes that they should
    appear to be running at the same rate.

    That is ludicrous since relativity proclaims
    that they won't and, furthermore, experiment
    demonstrates that they don't. So Wozniak,
    stuck in the 17th century, believing that
    time must be universal, is the one who is
    "inconsistent" (i.e., wrong).

    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    More proof of Wozniak's insulting and slandering.
    And then he whines that he is insulted and
    slandered! (He's not, he just gets a dose of
    truth).

    “Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of
    dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am
    contradicted.” -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the
    tool of the losers." -- Socrates

    Wozniak lost the debate a long time ago, but
    he still peddles his delusions.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 22 17:56:30 2024
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:06:27 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 18:47, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer

    A lie,

    No, it's not a lie. Wozniak is projecting his
    own dishonesty.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot in
    general and from Harrie especially,

    And proof that Wozniak is the one who slanders
    and insults.

    one observer present here, a moving (wrt
    Solar System) one.

    Nope. The moving observer doesn't see two
    different results. There is the moving observer
    who sees the 99766 seconds AND the the one on
    earth standing right beside the clock who sees
    the 86400 seconds (Of course, neither actually
    watches for a year, Duh!)

    The definition was created by an observer and
    that's the way the earth clocks are set. It
    takes an observer on earth to confirm that.
    This is the only rational way to look at it.

    “To argue with a person who has renounced the
    use of reason is like administering medicine
    to the dead.” – Thomas Paine

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 22 20:23:07 2024
    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 19:56, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:06:27 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 18:47, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer

    A lie,

    No, it's not a lie.  Wozniak is projecting his
    own dishonesty.

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer
    in the example.


    as expected from a relativistic idiot in
    general and from Harrie especially,

    And proof that Wozniak is the one who slanders
    and insults.

    one observer present here, a moving (wrt
    Solar System) one.

    Nope.  The moving observer doesn't see two
    different results.

    He doesn't see anything, he is gedanken,
    you know, poor halfbrain.
    The matter is not what he sees, the matter
    is what the physics of your idiot guru
    is predicting he would see, and it is
    providing 2 denying itself values, because
    it is inconsistent.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 22 23:31:09 2024
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 19:56, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:06:27 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 18:47, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer

    A lie,

    No, it's not a lie.  Wozniak is projecting his
    own dishonesty.

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time. Wozniak's
    assertion falls apart.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot in
    general and from Harrie especially,

    And proof that Wozniak is the one who slanders
    and insults.

    one observer present here, a moving (wrt
    Solar System) one.

    Nope.  The moving observer doesn't see two
    different results.

    He doesn't see anything, he is gedanken,

    If he doesn't see anything then Wozniak's assertion
    falls completely apart. So why is he posting complete
    nonsense?

    you know, poor halfbrain.

    Wozniak just can't help himself from slandering
    and insulting.

    The matter is not what he sees, the matter
    is what the physics of your idiot guru
    is predicting he would see, and it is
    providing 2 denying itself values, because
    it is inconsistent.

    No, it isn't "inconsistent." Wozniak has dishonestly
    ignored my refutation of this assertion:

    relativity proclaims that clocks in relative
    motion won't agree and, furthermore, experiment
    demonstrates that they don't. So Wozniak is
    stuck in the 17th century, believing that
    time must be universal. This is an outdated
    Newtonian concept and Wozniak is the one who is
    "inconsistent" with reality. Experiment predicts
    that 99766 and 86400 is exactly what a moving
    observer and an observer on earth, respectively,
    would see.

    Wozniak tries to twist meanings in a hopeless
    attempt to defame Saint Albert and to slander
    and insult anyone who supports the experimental
    record. That is truly irrational.

    “To argue with a person who has renounced the use
    of reason is like administering medicine to the
    dead.” – Thomas Paine

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 06:27:34 2024
    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 01:31, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 19:56, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:06:27 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 22.08.2024 o 18:47, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 15:12:33 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -

    Proof here that Wozniak is the one who slanders.

    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Is this supposed to be Wozniak's so-called
    "proof" that relativity is "inconsistent?
    Wozniak conflates a moving observer with a
    stationary observer

    A lie,

    No, it's not a lie.  Wozniak is projecting his
    own dishonesty.

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time.


    Sure there is no observation. Like usually
    in a gedanken.
    There are still 2 denying themself predictions
    of observation derivable in the physics of your
    idiot guru. That's because the moronic mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Aug 23 12:44:35 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 4:27:34 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 01:31, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time.

    Sure there is no observation. Like usually in a
    gedanken.

    Wozniak just asserted that there is ONE observer
    and now that there is no observation, so HE is
    being inconsistent.

    There are still 2 denying themself predictions
    of observation derivable

    And he's being inconsistent again. And he's dead
    wrong anyway: a thought experiment can have as
    many observers as desired. He is desiring only
    one observer when, in fact, he has set up a sham
    situation: arguing a definition against an
    observation.

    Once again, he has concealed the devastating
    error he has made: he assumes that Newtonian
    physics with its universal time is true, but
    experiment proves it is false. Thus a definition
    cannot trump a thought experiment consistent
    with experimental evidence. Relativity has
    copious experimental evidence supporting it in
    the thought experiment under discussion, so
    Wozniak's assertion is misguided and dead wrong.

    in the physics of your idiot guru.

    "ad hominem — Latin for “to the man,” attacking
    the arguer and not the argument"

    https://www.themarginalian.org/2014/01/03/baloney-detection-kit-carl-sagan/

    Wozniak's responses are shown to be pure baloney.
    It's what the loser of an argument does.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the
    tool of the losers. -- Socrates

    That's because the moronic mumble of your
    idiot guru was not even consistent.

    That Wozniak is being inconsistent (and wrong)
    are the only things being proven here.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 15:48:24 2024
    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 14:44, gharnagel pisze:
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 4:27:34 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 01:31, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time.

    Sure there is no observation. Like usually in a
    gedanken.

    Wozniak just asserted that there is ONE observer
    and now that there is no observation, so HE is
    being inconsistent.


    Harrie mumbles some delusions like an idiot
    he is.

    There are still 2 denying themself predictions
    of observation derivable

    And he's being inconsistent again.  And he's dead
    wrong anyway: a thought experiment can have as
    many observers as desired

    "As many as desired" is one in this case.
    It's mine thought experiment so I know
    for sure how many observers are desired
    in it, it is one.


    .  He is desiring only
    one observer when, in fact, he has set up a sham
    situation:  arguing a definition against an
    observation.

    The thread is not about any observations. They
    are irrelevant.
    Its about claims of The Shit of your idiot guru,
    spoken directly by the idiot or derivable other
    way, for instance from definitions.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Aug 23 18:48:08 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:48:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 14:44, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 4:27:34 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 01:31, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time.

    Sure there is no observation. Like usually in a
    gedanken.

    Wozniak just asserted that there is ONE observer
    and now that there is no observation, so HE is
    being inconsistent.

    Harrie mumbles some delusions

    All that is needed is to look at what Wozniak wrote:

    "There is just one observer"
    "there is no observation"

    to see who is mumbling and having delusions.

    like an idiot he is.

    Again, more proof that Wozniak is the one who insults
    and slanders, particularly when he's caught lying.

    There are still 2 denying themself predictions
    of observation derivable

    And he's being inconsistent again.  And he's dead
    wrong anyway: a thought experiment can have as
    many observers as desired

    "As many as desired" is one in this case.
    It's mine thought experiment so I know
    for sure how many observers are desired
    in it, it is one.

    Wozniak might "desire" one, but how many are needed
    depends on whether or not his thought experiment is
    consistent. It's not.

    ..  He is desiring only
    one observer when, in fact, he has set up a sham
    situation:  arguing a definition against an
    observation.

    The thread is not about any observations. They
    are irrelevant.

    So if observations are discounted, then the moving
    observer is irrelevant. That removes the 99766
    observed by the moving observer, leaving only the
    one definition of 86400. That leaves nothing to
    argue about.

    Its about claims of The Shit of your idiot guru,
    spoken directly by the idiot or derivable other
    way, for instance from definitions.

    Disregarding Wozniak's blatant and despicable
    insults and slanders, Einstein said t' <> t, not
    anything about the definition of a day. Wozniak
    now has no "proof" of inconsistency.

    But discounting the inconsistency in Wozniak's
    words, he has AGAIN ignored the fatal flaw in
    his basic argument, repeated here since he wants
    to sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't
    exist:

    "Once again, he has concealed the devastating
    error he has made: he assumes that Newtonian
    physics with its universal time is true, but
    experiment proves it is false. Thus a definition
    cannot trump a thought experiment consistent
    with experimental evidence. Relativity has
    copious experimental evidence supporting it in
    the thought experiment under discussion, so
    Wozniak's assertion is misguided and dead wrong."

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 21:13:41 2024
    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 20:48, gharnagel pisze:
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:48:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 14:44, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 4:27:34 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 01:31, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 18:23:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, it is. There is just one observer in the
    example.

    If there's only one observer, then there is no
    observation of two intervals of time.

    Sure there is no observation. Like usually in a
    gedanken.

    Wozniak just asserted that there is ONE observer
    and now that there is no observation, so HE is
    being inconsistent.

    Harrie mumbles some delusions

    All that is needed is to look at what Wozniak wrote:

    "There is just one observer"
    "there is no observation"

    to see who is mumbling and having delusions.

    It is my example. One observer, no
    observations.
    Period.
    Sorry, trash.

    ..  He is desiring only
    one observer when, in fact, he has set up a sham
    situation:  arguing a definition against an
    observation.

    The thread is not about any observations. They
    are irrelevant.

    So if observations are discounted, then the moving
    observer is irrelevant.

    The opinion of an idiot is insignificant.
    Sorry, trash.


    That removes the 99766
    observed by the moving observer

    Harrie, even such an idiot should
    understand, that if your idiot guru's
    physics is able to PREDICT a result of
    an observation - it must do it
    before, and if it is done before -
    the observation itself can't be
    necessary for that.

    Its about claims of The Shit of your idiot guru,
    spoken directly by the idiot or derivable other
    way, for instance from definitions.

    Disregarding Wozniak's blatant and despicable
    insults and slanders, Einstein said t' <> t, not

    And the definition he had in his absurd
    physics derived the opposite.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sat Aug 24 02:01:47 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:13:41 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 20:48, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:48:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Harrie mumbles some delusions

    All that is needed is to look at what Wozniak wrote:

    "There is just one observer"
    "there is no observation"

    to see who is mumbling and having delusions.

    It is my example. One observer, no
    observations.
    Period.

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    Sorry, trash.

    And Wozniak shows once again that HE is the insulter-
    in-chief and slimy slanderer. And as to lying, was
    he lying when he just said "one observer" or was he
    lying when he said:

    The thread is not about any observations. They
    are irrelevant.

    So if observations are discounted, then the moving
    observer is irrelevant.

    The opinion of an idiot is insignificant.

    It's not an "opinion" that Wozniak lied, as proven by
    his own words. Is there "one observer" or are there
    "no observations"? He always projects his own foibles
    on others, whether it be insulting, slandering or lying.

    Sorry, trash.

    And Wozniak shows again that HE is the insulter-in-chief
    and supreme slanderer of this group. When is he going
    to grow up and stop the infantile attacks?

    That removes the 99766
    observed by the moving observer

    Harrie, even such an idiot should
    understand, that if your idiot guru's
    physics is able to PREDICT a result of
    an observation - it must do it
    before, and if it is done before -
    the observation itself can't be
    necessary for that.

    So Wozniak doubles down on claiming that observations
    are unnecessary :-)) So who confirms that the prediction
    is confirmed? I can predict that Wozniak is a turtle.
    So I don't need any observational confirmation of that
    to conclude that he is indeed a turtle.

    Who in his right mind would make such an argument?!!

    Its about claims of The Shit of your idiot guru,
    spoken directly by the idiot or derivable other
    way, for instance from definitions.

    Disregarding Wozniak's blatant and despicable
    insults and slanders, Einstein said t' <> t, not

    And the definition he had in his absurd
    physics derived the opposite.

    No, that wasn't a definition. It was a conclusion
    validly derived by assuming certain reasonable
    postulates. The postulates and the conclusions have
    been confirmed by copious experiments.

    Wozniak is trying to obfuscate, and not doing it very
    well, and he still tries to hide this real elephant
    in the room that demolishes his whole house of cards:

    He assumes that Newtonian physics with its universal
    time is true, but experiment proves it is false.
    Thus a definition cannot trump a thought experiment
    consistent with experimental evidence. Relativity
    has copious experimental evidence supporting it in
    the thought experiment under discussion, so
    Wozniak's assertion is misguided and dead wrong.

    When is he going to address the elephant? He's
    pretending it's not there even when he smells
    peanuts on its breath.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 06:11:24 2024
    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:13:41 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 23.08.2024 o 20:48, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:48:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Harrie mumbles some delusions

    All that is needed is to look at what Wozniak wrote:

    "There is just one observer"
    "there is no observation"

    to see who is mumbling and having delusions.

    It is my example. One observer, no
    observations.
    Period.

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    A lie, of course, as expected from a
    relativistic idiot. No such limitations
    were included into the definition of
    second in the physics of your idiot guru.
    You've fabricated them ad hoc.


    The opinion of an idiot is insignificant.

    It's not an "opinion"that Wozniak lied, as proven by
    his own words.

    This is not an opinion indeed, this is an
    impudent lie, as expected from a
    relativistic idiot. The word "opinion"
    I used was referring to something else.

      Is there "one observer" or are there
    "no observations"?

    Again, I'm talking to an idiot so
    repeating must be included.
    One observer, no observations.




    And Wozniak shows again that HE is the insulter-in-chief
    and supreme slanderer of this group.

    Talking to relativistic scumbags like Harmagel
    I must descend partially to their level, but
    it's just partially. I'm not slandering.

    That removes the 99766
    observed by the moving observer

    Harrie, even such an idiot should
    understand, that if your idiot guru's
    physics is able to PREDICT a result of
    an observation - it must do it
    before, and if it is done before -
    the observation itself can't be
    necessary for that.

    So Wozniak doubles down on claiming that observations
    are unnecessary :-))

    I'm not, I'm just claiming they're not
    necessary in my example.


    So who confirms that the prediction
    is confirmed?

    An inconsistent prediction, like that of
    the physics of your idiot guru, can never
    be confirmed.


    I can predict that Wozniak is a turtle.

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.


    And the definition he had in his absurd
    physics derived the opposite.

    No, that wasn't a definition.

    Lies have short legs, poor trash.
    So - what was the definition of
    second in the physics of your idiot
    guru (1905-his death)? Will you write
    it? Let me guess, no, you will just
    write more insults, more lies, more
    slanders, as expected from a relativistic
    scumbag.



    It was a conclusion
    validly derived by assuming certain reasonable
    postulates.  The postulates and the conclusions have
    been confirmed by copious experiments.

    Only such an idiot can believe such an
    impudent lie, Harrie.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sat Aug 24 12:08:46 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 4:11:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:13:41 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is my example. One observer, no
    observations.
    Period.

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    A lie, of course,

    Nope, Wozniak is definitely wrong about this.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot.

    Wozniak demonstrates that he is the insulter-and
    slanderer-in-chief once again.

    No such limitations were included into the definition
    of second in the physics of your idiot guru.

    Saint Albert didn't define the second. Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second

    You've fabricated them ad hoc.

    Actually, Wozniak is fabricating a connection between
    relativity and the second ... and the day (86400
    seconds).

    The opinion of an idiot is insignificant.

    It's not an "opinion "that Wozniak lied, as proven by
    his own words.

    This is not an opinion indeed, this is an
    impudent lie, as expected from a
    relativistic idiot. The word "opinion"
    I used was referring to something else.


      Is there "one observer" or are there
    "no observations"?

    Again, I'm talking to an idiot

    Wozniak must be talking to himself. There
    are no other idiots here.

    so repeating must be included.
    One observer, no observations.

    So the observer didn't make any observations,
    like making the observation that a day was
    99766 seconds. All we have is the definition
    of a day, 86400 seconds.

    And Wozniak shows again that HE is the
    insulter-in-chief and supreme slanderer

    Talking to relativistic scumbags like Harmagel
    I must descend partially to their level, but
    it's just partially. I'm not slandering.

    Wozniak is lying. He must ascend to a HIGHER
    level to converse with me. If he were honest,
    he would admit that I have used no insults nor
    slanders throughout this whole discussion. OTOH,
    he has insulted and slandered continually.
    That's because he has lost the argument: his
    assertion that relativity is inconsistent has
    been refuted.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the
    tool of the losers. -- Socrates

    Harrie, even such an idiot should
    understand, that if your idiot guru's
    physics is able to PREDICT a result of
    an observation - it must do it
    before, and if it is done before -
    the observation itself can't be
    necessary for that.

    So Wozniak doubles down on claiming that
    observations are unnecessary :-))

    I'm not, I'm just claiming they're not
    necessary in my example.

    So who confirms that the prediction
    is confirmed?

    An inconsistent prediction, like that of
    the physics of your idiot guru, can never
    be confirmed.

    Rather, who confirms that the prediction
    is refuted, as Wozniak claims?

    I can predict that Wozniak is a turtle.

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.

    Pure obfuscation. The thought experiment
    said, "Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length of
    solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?"

    The observer "IS MEASURING" -- not WILL
    measure. Wozniak is squirming around,
    trying to change the initial conditions
    on the fly. All this proves is that he
    will say ANYTHING to wiggle out of the
    corner he has painted homself into.

    So, since I predict that Wozniak is a
    turtle, by Wozniak's own criteria, Wozniak
    is a turtle :-))

    And the definition he had in his absurd
    physics derived the opposite.

    No, that wasn't a definition.

    Lies have short legs, poor trash.
    So - what was the definition of
    second in the physics of your idiot
    guru (1905-his death)? Will you write
    it? Let me guess, no,

    Wozniak's guess is wrong. I gave the
    definition of the second, and it wasn't
    from Saint Albert.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second

    you will just write more insults, more
    lies, more slanders, as expected from
    a relativistic scumbag.

    In this whole discussion, I have written no
    lies, no insults and no slanders. Wozniak
    has been doing all three continually. Any
    rational person would feel utterly ashamed
    of himself for such behavior.

    If lies have short legs, Wozniak is legless.

    It was a conclusion validly derived by
    assuming certain reasonable postulates.
    The postulates and the conclusions have
    been confirmed by copious experiments.

    Only such an idiot can believe such an
    impudent lie, Harrie.

    Wozniak is grasping at straws as his assertion
    that relativity is inconsistent goes down to
    destruction like the Twin Towers.

    So he believes that actual experimental results
    are "impudent lies"? How can one who claims
    to be an "information engineer" deny information?
    How can one who claims to be an "information
    engineer" deny mountains of evidence?

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Wozniak's denial of relativity is not rational
    because it has no valid critical basis. It
    springs from a belief in Newtonian time, which
    has been firmly refuted by experiment. Denial
    for the sake of denial is unreasonable.

    “How often it is that the angry man rages denial
    of what his inner self is telling him.”
    – Frank Herbert

    “Denial is the worst kind of lie … because it is
    the lie you tell yourself.” – Michelle A. Homme

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 19:13:51 2024
    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 14:08, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 4:11:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:13:41 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    It is my example. One observer, no
    observations.
    Period.

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    A lie, of course,

    Nope, Wozniak is definitely wrong about this.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot.

    Wozniak demonstrates that he is the insulter-and
    slanderer-in-chief once again.

    No such limitations were included into the definition
    of second in the physics of your idiot guru.

    Saint Albert didn't define the second.  Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    Of course he didn't, he was too stupid
    for that. So what? Will you be impudent
    enough to lie his physics (1905-death)
    had no definition of a second?


    An inconsistent prediction, like that of
    the physics of your idiot guru, can never
    be confirmed.

    Rather, who confirms that the prediction
    is refuted, as Wozniak claims?

    I don't. A lie again.

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.

    Pure obfuscation.  The thought experiment
    said, "Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length of
    solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?"

    The observer "IS MEASURING" -- not WILL
    measure.

    And the result will appear. Or maybe not,
    if the observer screw it or get suddenly
    killed.


    So, since I predict that Wozniak is a
    turtle,

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.


    Lies have short legs, poor trash.
    So - what was the definition of
    second in the physics of your idiot
    guru (1905-his death)? Will you write
    it? Let me guess, no,

    Wozniak's guess is wrong.  I gave the
    definition of the second, and it wasn't
    from Saint Albert.

    Exactly. It wasn't from the idiot and it
    couldn't be a part of his absurd physics,
    as it was concocted in 1960-ies.
    Try again, poor halfbrain.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sat Aug 24 21:05:35 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 17:13:51 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 14:08, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 4:11:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    A lie, of course,

    Nope, Wozniak is definitely wrong about this.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot.

    Wozniak demonstrates that he is the insulter-and
    slanderer-in-chief once again.

    No such limitations were included into the definition
    of second in the physics of your idiot guru.

    Saint Albert didn't define the second.  Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    Of course he didn't, he was too stupid
    for that.

    So Wozniak asserts that anyone who doesn't define the second
    is stupid. So he is asserting that he himself is stupid.
    This guy needs a brain implant!

    So what? Will you be impudent enough to lie his physics
    (1905-death) had no definition of a second?

    Why would a theoretical physicist need to define a second?
    Wozniak is getting crazier and crazier in his insane effort
    to demean relativity and anyone connected with it.

    An inconsistent prediction, like that of
    the physics of your idiot guru, can never
    be confirmed.

    Rather, who confirms that the prediction
    is refuted, as Wozniak claims?

    I don't. A lie again.

    Wozniak is projecting again. He is the one that lies
    continually.

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.

    Pure obfuscation.  The thought experiment
    said, "Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length of
    solar day. What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?"

    The observer "IS MEASURING" -- not WILL
    measure.

    And the result will appear. Or maybe not,
    if the observer screw it or get suddenly
    killed.

    In which case, Wozniak's has no argument
    since the 99766 isn't confirmed.

    So, since I predict that Wozniak is a
    turtle,

    It's not a prediction, a prediction is
    referring to the future, poor halfbrain.

    So if I predict that Wozniak will become a
    turtle in one minute, he WILL be a turtle
    in one minute since I don't need to confirm
    by observation that the prediction is true.
    Wozniak squirms and twists with distracting
    inanities to free himself from the traps he
    himself has set.

    Lies have short legs, poor trash.
    So - what was the definition of
    second in the physics of your idiot
    guru (1905-his death)? Will you write
    it? Let me guess, no,

    Wozniak's guess is wrong.  I gave the
    definition of the second, and it wasn't
    from Saint Albert.

    Exactly. It wasn't from the idiot and it
    couldn't be a part of his absurd physics,
    as it was concocted in 1960-ies.
    Try again, poor halfbrain.

    :-)) Not a very good recovery from another
    trap Wozniak caught himself in, caused by
    his dishonestly trying to lay "gotcha" traps.
    It didn't work, so he slanders instead.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes
    the tool of the losers. -- Socrates

    So much for his incorrectly claiming that
    relativity is inconsistent. He refuses to
    address the elephant in the room, even though
    he is now covered with peanut butter:

    He assumes that Newtonian physics with its universal
    time is true, but experiment proves it is false.
    Thus a definition cannot trump a thought experiment
    consistent with experimental evidence. Relativity
    has copious experimental evidence supporting it in
    the thought experiment under discussion, so
    Wozniak's assertion is misguided and dead wrong.

    He's pretending the elephant is not there even when
    it has regurgitated peanut butter on him.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 06:34:01 2024
    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 23:05, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 17:13:51 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 14:08, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 4:11:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozniak forgets to include one definition, also.
    A definition meant to include only the earth, not
    some traveler moving at relativistic speed.

    A lie, of course,

    Nope, Wozniak is definitely wrong about this.

    as expected from a relativistic idiot.

    Wozniak demonstrates that he is the insulter-and
    slanderer-in-chief once again.

    No such limitations were included into the definition
    of second in the physics of your idiot guru.

    Saint Albert didn't define the second.  Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    Of course he didn't, he was too stupid
    for that.

    So Wozniak asserts that anyone who doesn't define the second
    is stupid.

    A stinky lie/slander, of course, again.
    So, what was the definition? Will you
    finally write it, trash?
    No. You will only write more insults,
    more lies, more slanders. And more
    completely idiotic dodges.



    Why would a theoretical physicist need to define a second?

    Because the existing definition was
    killing his idiotic delusions
    immediately.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sun Aug 25 14:02:39 2024
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 4:34:01 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 23:05, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 17:13:51 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 14:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Saint Albert didn't define the second.  Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    Of course he didn't, he was too stupid
    for that.

    So Wozniak asserts that anyone who doesn't define the second
    is stupid.

    A stinky lie/slander, of course, again.

    :)) Wozniak is caught in his dishonesty again and projects it
    away from himself. It is a logical extension of what he
    deviously asserted: Einstein was to stupid to define the
    second; therefore, anyone who doesn't define the second is
    stupid.

    So, what was the definition? Will you
    finally write it,

    Wozniak is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room. I gave him a link
    to the definition of the day, which he dishonestly deleted,
    so now he is doing a switch to the second, which every knows:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second

    trash?
    No. You will only write more insults,
    more lies, more slanders. And more
    completely idiotic dodges.

    :-)) Wozniak slanders and in the very next words blames
    me for what he just did. This guy is a real piece of work!

    Why would a theoretical physicist need to define a second?

    Because the existing definition was killing his idiotic
    delusions immediately.

    But Saint Albert didn't define the second. Wozniak makes no
    sense with this delusional diatribe. His logic chip must be
    out touring Europe somewhere.

    His assertion that relativity is inconsistent because it
    predicts that a moving observer would see a day on earth
    as 99766 seconds instead of 86400 is refuted by the fact
    that Wozniak is basing it on Newtonian (universal) time
    which is soundly refuted by all experimental evidence:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    Thus, relativity's prediction accurately matches what
    happens in the real world. Wozniak's vapid assertion
    is completely refuted.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to not. Instead you will on Sun Aug 25 16:24:49 2024
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 16:02, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 4:34:01 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 23:05, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 17:13:51 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 24.08.2024 o 14:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Saint Albert didn't define the second.  Wozniak is dead
    wrong again.

    Of course he didn't, he was too stupid
    for that.

    So Wozniak asserts that anyone who doesn't define the second
    is stupid.

    A stinky lie/slander, of course, again.

    :)) Wozniak is caught in his dishonesty again and projects it
    away from himself.  It is a logical extension of what he
    deviously asserted:  Einstein was to stupid to define the
    second; therefore, anyone who doesn't define the second is
    stupid.

    No, Harmagel. It's not any logical extension,
    it's just utterly ridiculous claim o a
    cornered idiot.
    So, what was the definition

    So, what was the definition? Will you
    finally write it,

    Wozniak is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room.  I gave him a link
    to the definition of the day, which he dishonestly deleted,

    Harmagel is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room. I wasn't asking
    about the current definition of second, I was asking
    about the definition valid in his idiotic physiccs in 1905
    and up to the death of his idiot guru.
    Will you finally write it?
    Of course, not. Instead you will write more insults,
    more slanders, more idiotic dodges.


    Because the existing definition was killing his idiotic
    delusions immediately.

    But Saint Albert didn't define the second.

    Of course he didn't. Poor idiot was too
    stupid.



    His assertion that relativity is inconsistent because it
    predicts that a moving observer would see a day on earth
    as 99766 seconds instead of 86400

    Not "instead" but "both". That's what inconsistency
    is about.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 17:38:53 2024
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 17:21, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 14:24:49 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 16:02, gharnagel pisze:

    :)) Wozniak is caught in his dishonesty again and projects it
    away from himself.  It is a logical extension of what he
    deviously asserted:  Einstein was to stupid to define the
    second; therefore, anyone who doesn't define the second is
    stupid.

    No, Harmagel. It's not any logical extension,
    it's just utterly ridiculous claim o a
    cornered idiot.

    Wozniak is projecting again,  He's the one that has painted
    himself into a corner.

    So, what was the definition

    I gave it

    A lie, as expected from a piece of relativistic
    shit. Once again, trash: what was the definition
    of second valid in the physics of your idiot guru
    (1905 - to his death)?
    Will you finally write it? No. Instead you will
    write more lies, more slanders, more absurd dodges.


    Harmagel is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room.

    This is infantile copycatting.  Not worthy of any more response.

    I wasn't asking about the current definition of second,

    That's the only one there is.

    Not quite. The older ones are also mentioned
    there.

    I was asking about the definition valid in his idiotic
    physiccs in 1905 and up to the death of his idiot guru.
    Will you finally write it?
    Of course, not.

    Because there is no such thing.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?



    His assertion that relativity is inconsistent because it
    predicts that a moving observer would see a day on earth
    as 99766 seconds instead of 86400

    Not "instead" but "both". That's what inconsistency
    is about.

    Wozniak is lying again and studiously ignoring the peanut
    butter barf all over himself.

    He is assuming that Newtonian physics with its universal
    time is true,

    I'm not assuming anything right now, I apply
    the inconsistent assumptions of the physics
    of your idiot guru and derive 2 denying
    themself predictions. I can do it, because
    the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sun Aug 25 15:21:24 2024
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 14:24:49 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 16:02, gharnagel pisze:

    :)) Wozniak is caught in his dishonesty again and projects it
    away from himself.  It is a logical extension of what he
    deviously asserted:  Einstein was to stupid to define the
    second; therefore, anyone who doesn't define the second is
    stupid.

    No, Harmagel. It's not any logical extension,
    it's just utterly ridiculous claim o a
    cornered idiot.

    Wozniak is projecting again, He's the one that has painted
    himself into a corner.

    So, what was the definition

    I gave it, but Wozniak is, apparently, a bit dense.

    Wozniak is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room.  I gave him a link
    to the definition of the day, which he dishonestly deleted,

    Harmagel is grasping at straws again in a sorry attempt to
    distract from the elephant in the room.

    This is infantile copycatting. Not worthy of any more response.

    I wasn't asking about the current definition of second,

    That's the only one there is.

    I was asking about the definition valid in his idiotic
    physiccs in 1905 and up to the death of his idiot guru.
    Will you finally write it?
    Of course, not.

    Because there is no such thing.

    Instead you will write more insults,
    more slanders, more idiotic dodges.

    :-)) Wozniak is lying. I haven't insulted or slandered
    him anywhere in this discussion.

    But Saint Albert didn't define the second.

    Of course he didn't. Poor idiot was too
    stupid.

    And here he is slandering again.

    His assertion that relativity is inconsistent because it
    predicts that a moving observer would see a day on earth
    as 99766 seconds instead of 86400

    Not "instead" but "both". That's what inconsistency
    is about.

    Wozniak is lying again and studiously ignoring the peanut
    butter barf all over himself.

    He is assuming that Newtonian physics with its universal
    time is true, but experiment proves it is false.
    Thus a definition cannot trump a thought experiment
    consistent with experimental evidence. Relativity
    has copious experimental evidence supporting it in
    the thought experiment under discussion, so
    Wozniak's assertion is misguided, dead wrong and
    refuted by the fact that he is basing it on Newtonian
    (universal) time which is soundly refuted by all
    experimental evidence:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    Thus, relativity's prediction accurately matches what
    happens in the real world. Wozniak's vapid assertion
    is completely refuted. But still he insults, slanders
    and lies. Tsk, tsk.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 22:54:14 2024
    Le 25/08/2024 à 17:38, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    ...
    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Some part of physics may need a definition of second,
    some other parts don't. Relativity (or Newtonian physics)
    doesn't.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 23:08:43 2024
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 22:54, Python pisze:
    Le 25/08/2024 à 17:38, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    ...
    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Some part of physics may need a definition of second,
    some other parts don't. Relativity (or Newtonian physics)
    doesn't.

    If you're asserting, it must be true...
    But how did they make measurements
    "confirming" your beloved relativity
    without units?

    Oh, I know. They didn't measure anything.
    Instead they read a lot of tales about
    some twins doing it... Right?

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 23:29:03 2024
    Le 25/08/2024 à 23:08, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 22:54, Python pisze:
    Le 25/08/2024 à 17:38, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    ...
    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Some part of physics may need a definition of second,
    some other parts don't. Relativity (or Newtonian physics)
    doesn't.

    If you're  asserting, it must be true...

    Feel free to check by yourself.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Aug 26 02:56:04 2024
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:38:53 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 17:21, gharnagel pisze:


    Not quite. The older ones are also mentioned
    there.

    But not asked about. Irrelevant, anyway.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Theoretical physicists don't define seconds. If Wozniak
    believes Saint Albert defined the second, he is free to
    prove it. Otherwise, my claim stands.

    Wozniak is lying again and studiously ignoring the peanut
    butter barf all over himself.

    He is assuming that Newtonian physics with its universal
    time is true,

    I'm not assuming anything right now,

    That is a falsehood. Just because he assumes it implicitly
    doesn't mean that he doesn't assume it.

    I apply the inconsistent assumptions of the physics
    of your idiot guru and derive 2 denying
    themself predictions. I can do it, because
    the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent.

    Wozniak is daydreaming. He has assumed his conclusion
    based on Newtonian time assumption, which has been refuted
    by copious experimental evidence. He is simply in denial
    of reality.

    “To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when you are
    proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven wrong, decides
    to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 06:45:24 2024
    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 04:56, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:38:53 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 17:21, gharnagel pisze:


    Not quite. The older ones are also mentioned
    there.

    But not asked about.  Irrelevant, anyway.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Theoretical physicists don't define seconds.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?
    Just stop dodging and changing the subject.

    I apply the inconsistent assumptions of the physics
    of your idiot guru and derive 2 denying
    themself predictions. I can do it, because
    the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent.

    Wozniak is daydreaming. He has assumed his conclusion > based on Newtonian time assumption

    Harmagel is lying, as expected from a
    relativistic piece of shit. I apply the
    definition of second valid in his moronic
    physics (the whole of it, including
    The Shit of his idiot guru) up to
    1960-ies.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 06:41:22 2024
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 23:29, Python pisze:
    Le 25/08/2024 à 23:08, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 25.08.2024 o 22:54, Python pisze:
    Le 25/08/2024 à 17:38, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    ...
    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Some part of physics may need a definition of second,
    some other parts don't. Relativity (or Newtonian physics)
    doesn't.

    If you're  asserting, it must be true...

    Feel free to check by yourself.

    In a way, The Shit wasn't needinng
    it indeed. Its goal was making a
    career amongst idiot mysticians
    like you - and it did.
    Time is a coordinate. A human made
    abstract construct. You don't make
    experiments on abstract, all the
    "evidence" for your time dilation
    idiocies are just one great bullshit.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Aug 26 11:24:52 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 4:45:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 04:56, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:38:53 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Theoretical physicists don't define seconds.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?
    Just stop dodging and changing the subject.

    Repeating falsehoods don't make them true.

    I apply the inconsistent assumptions of the physics
    of your idiot guru and derive 2 denying
    themself predictions. I can do it, because
    the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent.

    Wozniak is daydreaming. He has assumed his conclusion
    based on Newtonian time assumption

    Harmagel is lying, as expected from a
    relativistic piece of shit.

    Wozniak is projecting his own dishonesty, and insulting
    and slandering, which he also projects.

    I apply the definition of second valid in his moronic
    physics (the whole of it, including The Shit of his
    idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is in denial of reality. His assertion is
    misguided, dead wrong because he is basing it on
    Newtonian (universal) time which is soundly refuted
    by all experimental evidence:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    Thus, relativity's prediction accurately matches what
    happens in the real world. Wozniak's vapid assertion
    is completely refuted.

    The definition of an earth second or day is "valid" for
    an observer moving at c/2? The observer is not on earth
    so a Mars day, a Venus day or a Jupiter days is more
    valid than an earth day, so Wozniak's dogmatism is
    revealed to be gross chicanery.

    But still he insults, slanders and lies.

    “To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when
    you are proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven
    wrong, decides to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami

    Tsk, tsk. He must be betting that there is no God:

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
    and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
    idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
    lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
    the second death." -- Revelation 21:8

    That may not be a good wager:

    “Granted that faith cannot be proved, what harm will
    come to you if you gamble on its truth and it proves
    false? If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you
    lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation, that
    He exists.” – Blaise Pascal

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 15:19:02 2024
    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 13:24, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 4:45:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 04:56, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:38:53 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Theoretical physicists don't define seconds.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?
    Just stop dodging and changing  the subject.

    Repeating falsehoods don't make them true.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?



    Harmagel is lying, as expected from a
    relativistic piece of shit.

    Wozniak is projecting his own dishonesty, and insulting
    and slandering, which he also projects.

    I apply the definition of second valid in his moronic
    physics (the whole of it, including The Shit of his
    idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is in denial of reality.

    The one Harmagel has deleted GPS clocks
    from?


    His assertion is
    misguided, dead wrong because he is basing it on
    Newtonian (universal) time

    A lie, as expected from a piece of relativistic
    shit. I'm only applying the definition of second,
    valid in the whole physics (including The
    Shit of your idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Aug 26 14:35:48 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:19:02 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 13:24, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 4:45:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?
    Just stop dodging and changing  the subject.

    Repeating falsehoods don't make them true.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Copying and pasting falsehoods seems to be Wozniak's
    stock in trade. And projecting his own dsihonesty.

    I apply the definition of second valid in his moronic
    physics (the whole of it, including The Shit of his
    idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is in denial of reality.

    The one Harmagel has deleted GPS clocks
    from?

    Wozniak is being deceitful since the problem he posed
    had to do with an observer moving at c/s, which has
    nothing to do with the GPS. Dishonest people try to
    change the narrative when they realize their vacuous
    assertions are refuted.

    His assertion is misguided, dead wrong because he
    is basing it on Newtonian (universal) time

    A lie,

    Nope. The only way Wozniak can argue that 86400
    seconds per day is valid for the moving observer is
    by asserting Newtonian (universal) time. He projects
    his own duplicity away from himself.

    as expected from a piece of relativistic
    shit.

    And he continues to insult and slander while falsely
    blaming others for doing it.

    I'm only applying the definition of second,
    valid in the whole physics (including The
    Shit of your idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is lying since he was informed that a day
    on earth isn't a day on other planets, so 86400
    seconds only refers to earth. Even elementary
    students know this. Wozniak knows it, too, but
    he finds it convenient to lie.

    And he continues to lie by omission because he
    can't defend his flimsy assertions by the clod,
    hard facts which refute them:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    Thus, relativity's prediction accurately matches what
    happens in the real world. Wozniak's vapid assertion
    is completely refuted, so he cowardly runs away and
    hides from the truth.

    “To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when you are
    proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven wrong, decides
    to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami

    He is like the emperor without any clothes, but he's in the
    middle of a river in north-eastern Africa.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 17:00:01 2024
    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 16:35, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:19:02 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 13:24, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 4:45:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?
    Just stop dodging and changing  the subject.

    Repeating falsehoods don't make them true.

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Copying and pasting falsehoods seems to be Wozniak's
    stock in trade.

    Desperate avoiding of answerring simple questions
    seems to be Harmagel's stock in trade. Do you
    think that the answer will change just because
    of your refusing to spell it?


    I apply the definition of second valid in his moronic
    physics (the whole of it, including The Shit of his
    idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is in denial of reality.

    The one Harmagel has deleted GPS clocks
    from?

    Wozniak is being deceitful since the problem he posed

    Oh, it's just a reminding that you're
    a reality denying idiot, just like all
    Einstein's worshippers.

    His assertion is misguided, dead wrong because he
    is basing it on Newtonian (universal) time

    A lie,

    Nope. The only way Wozniak can argue that 86400
    seconds per day is valid for the moving observer is
    by asserting Newtonian (universal) time.


    A lie, as expected from a piece of
    relativistic shit. It's a direct
    consequence of a definition, valid
    in your moronic physics up to 1960-ies,
    and making the insane mumble of your
    idiot guru not even a consistent one.


    I'm only applying the definition of second,
    valid in the whole physics (including The
    Shit of your idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is lying since he was informed that a day
    on earth isn't a day on other planets, so 86400
    seconds only refers to earth.

    Harmagel is lying since he knows very well
    that my example is about measuring Earth's
    day.
    Nothing unexpected from a fanatic of The
    Shit, of course.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Aug 27 04:23:15 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 15:00:01 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 16:35, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:19:02 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Copying and pasting falsehoods seems to be Wozniak's
    stock in trade.

    Desperate avoiding of answerring simple questions
    seems to be Harmagel's stock in trade. Do you
    think that the answer will change just because
    of your refusing to spell it?

    The only "questions" Wozniak asks are dishonest ones,
    like "When are you going to stop beating your wife?"
    There was absolutely NOTHING about a second's
    definition in his original post. He has added that
    after his false assertion was revealed for what it
    was: a lie. Just like this one is:

    The one Harmagel has deleted GPS clocks
    from?

    Wozniak is being deceitful since the problem he posed
    [added back in because Wozniak deleted it because he
    found ti to be devastating to his false narrative]
    had to do with an observer moving at c/s, which has
    nothing to do with the GPS. Dishonest people try to
    change the narrative when they realize their vacuous
    assertions are refuted.

    Oh, it's just a reminding that you're
    a reality denying idiot, just like all
    Einstein's worshippers.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of
    the losers. -- Socrates

    The only way Wozniak can argue that 86400
    seconds per day is valid for the moving observer
    is by asserting Newtonian (universal) time.

    A lie, as expected from a piece of
    relativistic shit. It's a direct
    consequence of a definition, valid
    in your moronic physics up to 1960-ies,
    and making the insane mumble of your
    idiot guru not even a consistent one.

    https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2019/08/narcissists-blame-projection#1

    I'm only applying the definition of second,
    valid in the whole physics (including The
    Shit of your idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is lying since he was informed that a day
    on earth isn't a day on other planets, so 86400
    seconds only refers to earth.

    Harmagel is lying since he knows very well
    that my example is about measuring Earth's
    day.

    Wozniak is lying again because he claimed earlier
    no measurements were made. It was a definition and
    a prediction. Wozniak is definitely a turtle now
    because I predicted it then. Does he now remember
    now? :-))

    Nothing unexpected from a fanatic of The
    Shit, of course.

    Nothing unexpected from a fanatical congenital
    liar and slanderer who cowardly runs away from
    facing the proof that his assertions are vacuous
    nonsense:

    And he continues to lie by omission because he
    can't defend his flimsy assertions by the clod,
    hard facts which refute them:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    And THAT's why the moving observer would observe a day on
    earth consuming 99766 of his seconds while he would also
    observe a clock on the earth ticking away 86400 seconds.

    Thus, relativity's prediction accurately matches what
    happens in the real world. Wozniak's vapid assertion
    is completely refuted, so he cowardly runs away and
    hides from the truth.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 07:16:34 2024
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 06:23, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 15:00:01 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 26.08.2024 o 16:35, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 13:19:02 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    So, the physics of your idiot guru had no definition
    of second? Will you be impudent enough for such
    an absurd lie, trash?

    Copying and pasting falsehoods seems to be Wozniak's
    stock in trade.

    Desperate avoiding of answerring simple questions
    seems to be Harmagel's stock in trade. Do you
    think that the answer will change just because
    of your refusing to spell it?

    The only "questions" Wozniak asks are dishonest ones,

    All questions Harmagel doesn't like are
    dishonest - typical for a brainwashed
    religious maniac.



    Wozniak is being deceitful since the problem he posed
    [added back in because Wozniak deleted it because he
    found ti to be devastating to his false narrative]
    had to do with an observer moving at c/s, which has
    nothing to do with the GPS.  Dishonest people try to
    change the narrative when they realize their vacuous
    assertions are refuted.

    Oh, it's just a reminding that you're
    a reality denying idiot, just like all
    Einstein's worshippers.

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of
    the losers. -- Socrates


    And that's why you and your fellow idiots,
    apart of denying the reality, slander so
    much.





    I'm only applying the definition of second,
    valid in the whole physics (including The
    Shit of your idiot guru) up to 1960-ies.

    Wozniak is lying since he was informed that a day
    on earth isn't a day on other planets, so 86400
    seconds only refers to earth.

    Harmagel is lying since he knows very well
    that my example is about measuring Earth's
    day.

    Wozniak is lying again because he claimed earlier
    no measurements were made.

    Harmagel is lying again because i said directly
    that a measurement is in process, and
    the whole thread is about predicting
    its result by the inconsistent physics
    of his idiot guru.



    It was a definition and
    a prediction.  Wozniak is definitely a turtle now
    because I predicted it then.  Does he now remember
    now? :-))

    Nothing unexpected from a fanatic of The
    Shit, of course.

    Nothing unexpected from a fanatical congenital
    liar and slanderer who cowardly runs away from
    facing the proof that his assertions are vacuous
    nonsense:

    And he continues to lie by omission because he
    can't defend his flimsy assertions by the clod,
    hard facts which refute them:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."


    A very impudent lie, believable only by
    idiots like you; no moving clocks were
    involved - relativistic idiots have only
    fabricated them.
    On the other hand, we have GPS, anyone
    can check, moving clocks are keeping
    synchronization.



    And THAT's why the moving observer would observe a day on

    No, if we put an observer on a GPS satellite,
    he would obviously observe the same thing
    we do: the clocks are keeping sync.
    But that's irrelevant for the thread which is
    about inconsistency of The Shit of your idiot
    guru, not about any observation.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 16:56:55 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really? You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    Is it true on "everything goes" days only? Or the opposite?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 16:51:20 2024
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    A very impudent lie,

    And now he lies by commission because he is incapable of

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.



    On the other hand, we have GPS, anyone can check, moving
    clocks are keeping synchronization.

    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that, thing doesn't deserve being mentioned
    even with non-capital letters.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Aug 27 14:31:02 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 5:16:34 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 06:23, gharnagel pisze:

    And now he lies by commission because he
    can't defend his flimsy assertions by the clod,
    hard facts which refute them:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html


    https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2014.15970

    "Experiments at a particle accelerator in Germany confirm
    that time moves slower for a moving clock than for a
    stationary one."

    A very impudent lie,

    And now he lies by commission because he is incapable of
    discerning reality from his delusions of grandeur. The
    fact is, he hasn't "proven" relativity is inconsistent.
    He's only proven that he is incompetent in physics. He
    is fit only to be an "information" mechanic (not an
    engineer) because REAL engineers are not delusional and
    don't lie about the real world. REAL engineers use the
    real world to make life better for people. Wozniak sits
    at his computer posting lies, insults and slander while
    blaming others for his own faults.

    His "rebuttals" consist of lies, misdirection and insults:

    believable only by idiots like you; no moving clocks were
    involved - relativistic idiots have only fabricated them.
    On the other hand, we have GPS, anyone can check, moving
    clocks are keeping synchronization.

    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again. His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED to defeat the inherent non-simultaneity
    between earth and space.

    He doesn't want the moving observer to have a clock but then
    he brings in an irrelevant GPS clock, proving again that his
    currency is hypocrisy. He claims that the GPS "proves" that
    t' = t, but this is not true. He is incapable of understanding
    basic mathematics and doesn't understand what t' even means.
    He appears to be a congenital liar.

    https://tagvault.org/blog/pathological-liar-vs-compulsive-liar-vs-congenital-liar/#google_vignette

    His parents should have washed little Wozzie's mouth out with
    soap more often. He has developed serious mental disorders in
    his old age as a result.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 17:20:10 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from beginning to
    end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of it, but they will
    NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 15:31:57 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:20, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my move,
    because everything is of great theoretical coherence from beginning to
    end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of it, but they will
    NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

    What proof?
    I am the only one, all relativist scientists combined, to have no internal theoretical contradiction (works in apparent speeds, fatal symmetry of reciprocities), and the only one who has never been found wanting by any experiment for 40 years.
    What proof? Theoretical? Experimental?
    Jean-Pierre, be serious.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 17:38:25 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:31, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:20, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my
    move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from
    beginning to end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of
    it, but they will NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to
    discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

    What proof?

    Putting your head in the sand won't help Richard.

    [snip babbling]

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 15:15:47 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.

    That's right, you're absolutely right, and no clock has ever been placed
    in accelerators.
    Which presents a huge experimental problem.
    What must be understood, especially understood, is that I don't believe
    that a relativistic theory has ever been developed in a native and
    coherent way.
    In this sense, I'm not sure that it's been done like me, with a theory preceding the experiment.
    No, I'm not sure at all.
    So I gave what I think is the right concept of ALL RR, even in areas where
    we are far from being able to verify (rotating disks, watches placed on accelerated objects).
    What is abnormal, with me, compared to others, is that everything is said
    in advance, and in a coherent way.
    Physicists, and this is very unfortunate, do not practice like that.
    They start from the experiment, and try to explain the experiment
    (Michelson Morley). It is the opposite that had to be done, to build a
    complete theory, all frames of reference combined, with complete
    equations, then to check if it holds.
    If already 100% of the possible experiments everything holds on 25% of the tested equations, and it is never found wanting, we must ask ourselves the right question. Is the theory entirely valid, even if it predicts strange things or disagrees with the other relativistic predictions. Even more so
    if it is 50%. We can then think that the 50% of tests still impossible to
    do risk being in agreement with the rest, because the bases were good.

    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from beginning to end
    when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of it, but they will NEVER
    say it, they prefer to insult and try to discredit.

    So yes, there are things that should be done, and we do not have the means
    to do it (unless we find a new Michelson capable of experimenting things).

    But I am sure that it will go my way, and not in the t'=t way.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 15:49:25 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:38, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:31, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:20, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my
    move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from
    beginning to end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of
    it, but they will NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to
    discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

    What proof?

    Putting your head in the sand won't help Richard.

    Ce n'est PAS une réponse.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 18:14:18 2024
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really?

    Really. Do you have a different opinion, poor
    stinker?


    You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    And instead some delusional "Laws of Nature"
    announced by your bunch of religious maniacs
    they're driven by ergonomics.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 17:52:21 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:49, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:38, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:31, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:20, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my
    move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from
    beginning to end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of
    it, but they will NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to
    discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

    What proof?

    Putting your head in the sand won't help Richard.

    Ce n'est PAS une réponse.

    It is. I've posted the proof numerous times here and there.

    This will be, in addition, part of a third pdf.

    You loves pdfs, don't you?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 16:20:07 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:52, Python a écrit :

    You loves pdfs, don't you?

    Quand ils sont bien faits, mais la chose est rare.

    Pour l'instant, les tiens cassent pas des barreaux de chaises, et pire,
    j'ai pas l'intention de m'y coller.

    Si j'ai le temps dans quelques semaines, j'en ré-écrirai un avec des explications et des équations, mais là, je fatigue.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 18:19:49 2024
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 17:15, Richard Hachel pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.

    That's right, you're absolutely right, and no clock has ever been placed
    in accelerators.
    Which presents a huge experimental problem.

    That's your problem.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Aug 27 16:56:55 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:51:20 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.

    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again. His assertions only prove
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED to defeat the inherent non-simultaneity
    between earth and space.

    He doesn't want the moving observer to have a clock but then
    he brings in an irrelevant GPS clock, proving again that his
    currency is hypocrisy. He claims that the GPS "proves" that
    t' = t, but this is not true. He is incapable of understanding
    basic mathematics and doesn't understand what t' even means.
    He is a congenital liar.

    https://tagvault.org/blog/pathological-liar-vs-compulsive-liar-vs-congenital-liar/#google_vignette

    His parents should have washed little Wozzie's mouth out with
    soap more often. He has developed serious mental disorders in
    his old age as a result.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 19:39:35 2024
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 18:56, gharnagel pisze:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 14:51:20 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.

    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertions only prove
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    Of course I admitted it, poor Harmagel is
    lying again.

    He doesn't want the moving observer to have a clock

    More lies.


    but then
    he brings in an irrelevant GPS clock, proving again that his
    currency is hypocrisy.  He claims that the GPS "proves" that

    And a lie again, never claimed GPS proves anything.


    Anyway, these lies are completely irrelevant
    to the subject. Poor piece of shit Harmagel
    can't face the proof that his divine guru was
    just a mumbling inconsistently idiot, so he's
    trying desperately to change the subject.

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Tue Aug 27 21:11:57 2024
    Den 27.08.2024 17:31, skrev Richard Hachel:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:20, Python a écrit :
    Le 27/08/2024 à 17:15, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    ...
    Let's take the proper time of accelerated objects. I am sure of my
    move, because everything is of great theoretical coherence from
    beginning to end when I speak of RR. Physicists are not capable of
    it, but they will NEVER say it, they prefer to insult and try to
    discredit.

    A proof (several proofs as a matter of fact) that your claim violates
    the principle of Relativity is in no way an insult.

    It is a discredit, maybe, but that's your fault.

    What proof?
    I am the only one, all relativist scientists combined, to have no
    internal theoretical contradiction (works in apparent speeds, fatal
    symmetry of reciprocities), and the only one who has never been found
    wanting by any experiment for 40 years.
    What proof? Theoretical? Experimental?
    Jean-Pierre, be serious.


    Remember our discussion about the Large Hadron Collider?

    Le 23/07/2024 à 23:29, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :

    The physicists at CERN measures that the proton 'rotates'
    11.25 thousand times per second, you "tell them that
    the proton rotates 78 million times per second."


    Den 24.07.2024 00:19, Richard Hachel responded:

    Don't tell me you don't understand that the proton rotates
    11.25 thousand times per second in the laboratory frame but
    78 million times per second in the proton frame.

    This is called time dilation.


    It is obviously OK that your theory predicts that while
    a proton moves around the cycle once in the laboratory frame,
    then the same proton moves around the cycle 6933 times
    in the proton frame. Isn't it?

    No internal contradictions here, is it? Or is it? :-D


    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 02:36:08 2024
    Le 27/08/2024 à 18:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really?

    Really. Do you have a different opinion

    I asked.

    You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    And instead some delusional "Laws of Nature"
    announced by your bunch of religious maniacs
    they're  driven by ergonomics.

    Are clocks physical devices or not? It is not a question
    about "ergonomics" (oh dear... there we are again...)

    I just wondered how non physical devices could be engineered.

    Just asking :-P

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Wed Aug 28 04:08:36 2024
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 15:15:47 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design). Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks. Atoms have been
    accelerated in accelerators, so Wozniak is demonstrably
    wrong.

    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    Nope, Wozniak is doubly lying again: (1) Only a demented
    fool or a congenital liar would deny the overwhelming
    evidence for SR and (2) SR cannot be irrelevant for this
    thread where the OP was about what SR predicts for an
    observer moving at c/2. Not only is Wozniak lying, his
    lies are totally outrageous to the point of insanity.

    The thread is about the inconsistent assumptions
    of his physics and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from it. You're too dumb to understand
    even that, but still it is.

    That's right, you're absolutely right, and no clock has
    ever been placed in accelerators.

    Richard, Richard, Richard! You're drinking the kool ade
    of one who is demonstrably non compos mentis.

    Which presents a huge experimental problem.

    No, it presents a mental problem of a magnitude presented
    in the movie, "They Might Be Giants." Wozniak is Justin
    Playfair and YOU are Dr. Watson. You've been taken in,
    just like Watson was.

    https://psychcentral.com/blog/grandiosity-and-delusion-grandeur#definition

    boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
    consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
    dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others
    believe you don’t need anyone else to succeed
    believe you’re above rules or ordinary limits
    fail to recognize that your actions could harm others
    lash out in anger when someone criticizes you or points out
    a flaw in your plans

    These points seem to describe Wozniak very well, and you
    are following in his footsteps.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 06:17:14 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 02:36, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 18:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really?

    Really. Do you have a different opinion

    I asked.

    I answerred. And asked.


    You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    And instead some delusional "Laws of Nature"
    announced by your bunch of religious maniacs
    they're  driven by ergonomics.

    Are clocks physical devices or not?

    Just in a part. The key factor determining
    their behaviour remains outside the world of
    your pretty little formulas.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 07:42:04 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 06:08, gharnagel pisze:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 15:15:47 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design).  Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks.

    No they are not, you simply don't know
    what a clock is, just like most (if not
    all) of relativistic idiots. https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock

    And - anyone can check GPS, or TAI, or UTC
    - atomic clocks don't keep "time by
    Cs-133 atom", they keep something else.


    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    Nope, Wozniak is doubly lying again: (1) Only a demented
    fool or a congenital liar would deny the overwhelming
    evidence for SR

    Or rather, any relativistic doggie will spit
    at anyone not kneeling before his beloved
    idiocies with all its might.


    and (2) SR cannot be irrelevant for this
    thread

    But the experiments allegedly confirming
    The Shit are. The thread is about its inconsistent
    assumptions and inconsistent conclusions
    derivable from them. Your precious experiments
    are irrelevant here.




    No, it presents a mental problem of a magnitude presented
    in the movie, "They Might Be Giants."  Wozniak is Justin
    Playfair and YOU are Dr. Watson.  You've been taken in,
    just like Watson was.

    https://psychcentral.com/blog/grandiosity-and-delusion-grandeur#definition

    boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
    consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
    dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others

    Like - pretending that GPS clock are not real, as
    they don't match one's sick delusions of "reality".

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 12:32:37 2024
    Le 28/08/2024 à 06:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 02:36, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 18:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really?

    Really. Do you have a different opinion

    I asked.

    I answerred. And asked.


    You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    And instead some delusional "Laws of Nature"
    announced by your bunch of religious maniacs
    they're  driven by ergonomics.

    Are clocks physical devices or not?

    Just in a part.

    Which part is not then?

    The key factor determining
    their behaviour remains outside the world of
    your  pretty little formulas.

    And this factor is... ?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 12:52:36 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 12:32, Python pisze:
    Le 28/08/2024 à 06:17, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 02:36, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 18:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:56, Python pisze:
    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 27.08.2024 o 16:31, gharnagel pisze:
    ...
    Wozniak is pooping nonsense again.  His assertion only proves
    that he is NOT an engineer, otherwise he would admit that the
    GPS was ENGINEERED

    All clocks ever were engineered, nothing special
    about that

    Really?

    Really. Do you have a different opinion

    I asked.

    I answerred. And asked.


    You wrote numerous times that clocks are not physical
    devices.

    And instead some delusional "Laws of Nature"
    announced by your bunch of religious maniacs
    they're  driven by ergonomics.

    Are clocks physical devices or not?

    Just in a part.

    Which part is not then?

    A clock is an information carrier.
    Like a book, for instance.
    Do you know which part of a book is
    not physical? What would you say
    about its content?





    The key factor determining
    their behaviour remains outside the world of
    your  pretty little formulas.

    And this factor is... ?

    Ergonomics. Our needs. What we want them
    to do. Or name it as you wish, it's not
    physical anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Aug 28 12:54:55 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 5:42:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 06:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design).  Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks.

    No they are not, you simply don't know
    what a clock is, just like most (if not
    all) of relativistic idiots. https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock

    Wozniak lacks sufficient vision and is woefully ignorant of
    the information he worships:

    https://www.britannica.com/technology/atomic-clock

    "Atomic clock, type of clock that uses certain resonance
    frequencies of atoms (usually cesium or rubidium) to keep
    time with extreme accuracy.

    So Wozniak is either an ignoramus or a congenital liar.
    Not totally his fault. His parents should have washed
    L'il Wozzie's mouth out with soap much more often.

    And - anyone can check GPS, or TAI, or UTC
    - atomic clocks don't keep "time by
    Cs-133 atom", they keep something else.

    Wozzie keeps something else: it's called lying.

    Anyway, your pathetic lies of zillions of
    experiments allegedly confirming the pathetic
    mumble of your idiot guru are completely irrelevant
    for this thread.

    Nope, Wozniak is doubly lying again: (1) Only a demented
    fool or a congenital liar would deny the overwhelming
    evidence for SR

    Or rather, any relativistic doggie will spit
    at anyone not kneeling before his beloved
    idiocies with all its might.

    Woxniak is projecting his own despicable behavior as he
    insults and slanders his way through his so-called life.

    and (2) SR cannot be irrelevant for this thread

    But the experiments allegedly confirming The Shit are.

    L'il Wozzie is lying again. It's easy to discern since
    he deleted the rest of the argument:

    where the OP was about what SR predicts for an
    observer moving at c/2.

    So experiments are the sine qua non of the validity of
    any theory, including relativity. L'il Wozzie's denial
    of the copious experimental evidence is a sign of mental
    derangement.

    https://www.psychalive.org/denial-the-danger-in-rejecting-reality/

    "I’m in my bubble, and nothing like that happens here."

    The thread is about its inconsistent assumptions and
    inconsistent conclusions derivable from them.

    So L'il Wozzie can conclude assumptions are inconsistent
    without examining them? Which assumptions are those?
    What experiments support them? What conclusions are
    drawn from them that are "inconsistent"?

    Your precious experiments are irrelevant here.

    Says the congenital liar.

    No, it presents a mental problem of a magnitude presented
    in the movie, "They Might Be Giants."  Wozniak is Justin
    Playfair and Hachel are Dr. Watson.  Hachel has been taken
    in, just like Watson was.


    https://psychcentral.com/blog/grandiosity-and-delusion-grandeur#definition

    boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
    consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
    dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others

    Wozzie deleted a dangerous effect of delusions of grandeur:

    fail to recognize that your actions could harm others

    And Wozzie's delusional behavior has obviously harmed Hachel.

    Like - pretending that GPS clock are not real,

    No one is saying that. They are set so they will appear
    correct on earth, which means they were set to run slow
    before launch. And just because a clock doesn't keep
    the correct time doesn't mean it's unreal. People set
    their clocks ahead so they won't be late. Wossie is
    lying again.

    as they don't match one's sick delusions of "reality".

    Says the congenital liar and reality denier.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 15:55:24 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 14:54, gharnagel pisze:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 5:42:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 06:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design).  Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks.

    No they are not, you simply don't know
    what a clock is, just like most (if not
    all) of relativistic idiots.
    https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock

    Wozniak lacks sufficient vision and is woefully ignorant of
    the information he worships:

    https://www.britannica.com/technology/atomic-clock

    Harmagel is lying and slandering withaut any
    basement, as usual. Nothing changes, https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock
    clocks are like that, an atom is not.


    And - anyone can check GPS, or TAI, or UTC
    -  atomic clocks don't keep "time by
    Cs-133 atom",  they keep something else.

    Wozzie keeps something else: it's called lying.

    Not the first Harrie's demonstration
    of denying the reality.



    Or rather, any relativistic doggie will spit
    at anyone not kneeling before his beloved
    idiocies with all its might.

    Woxniak is projecting his own despicable behavior as he
    insults and slanders his way through his so-called life

    Harmagel is projecting his own despicable behavior as he
    insults and slanders his way through his so-called life

    where the OP was about what SR predicts for an
    observer moving at c/2.

    So experiments are the sine qua non of the validity of
    any theory,

    They are not, but people much wiser than you
    made the mistake too. Anyway, you don't
    need them when the theory is inconsistent,
    like the mumble of your idiot guru was.



    So L'il Wozzie can conclude assumptions are inconsistent
    without examining them?

    Assumptions are inconsistent when they give
    some conclusions denying each other, like in
    the case of The Shit of your idiot guru.



    Like - pretending that GPS clock are not real,

    No one is saying that.

    But some idiot was saying that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Aug 28 15:02:22 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 13:55:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 14:54, gharnagel pisze:

    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 5:42:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 06:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design).  Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks.

    No they are not, you simply don't know
    what a clock is, just like most (if not
    all) of relativistic idiots. https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock

    Wozniak lacks sufficient vision and is woefully ignorant of
    the information he worships:

    https://www.britannica.com/technology/atomic-clock

    Harmagel is lying and slandering withaut any
    basement, as usual. Nothing changes, https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock
    clocks are like that, an atom is not.

    So L'il Wozzie-boy, self-proclaimed information
    guru, says I'm lying and slandering because I
    provided a link to the information in britannica.

    No other proof is neede that Wozniak is a totally
    unhinged mental case.

    And - anyone can check GPS, or TAI, or UTC
    -  atomic clocks don't keep "time by
    Cs-133 atom",  they keep something else.

    Wozzie keeps something else: it's called lying.

    Not the first Harrie's demonstration
    of denying the reality.

    That's right, not the first, because I haven't done
    so even once. OTOH, fatally-dishonest Wozzie-fool
    doesn't believe tons of information and claims to
    be an information guru. He lives in his own little
    bubble-world and blows saliva bubbles all day.

    Or rather, any relativistic doggie will spit
    at anyone not kneeling before his beloved
    idiocies with all its might.

    Woxniak is projecting his own despicable behavior as he
    insults and slanders his way through his so-called life

    Harmagel is projecting his own despicable behavior as he
    insults and slanders his way through his so-called life

    I tried being nice to Wozzie-liar to reach his better side,
    but he's proven that he doesn't have one. So once again,
    he gets what he gives and now he whines and whines because
    of it. He's a bully, and when bullies get what they give
    they cry about it. Wah! Wah! L'il Wozzie, run to Mama!

    where the OP was about what SR predicts for an
    observer moving at c/2.

    So experiments are the sine qua non of the validity of
    any theory,

    They are not,

    Woziie-liar is in deep, deep denial. He needs serious
    mental help.

    but people much wiser than you made the mistake too.

    So it's a mistake to check the validity of a theory with
    experiments? This fool joker is completely deranged.

    Anyway, you don't need them when the theory is inconsistent,
    like the mumble of your idiot guru was.

    Says the congenital liar and denier of reality.

    So L'il Wozzie can conclude assumptions are inconsistent
    without examining them?

    Assumptions are inconsistent when they give
    some conclusions denying each other,

    Which doesn't happen with relativity. Wozzie has delusions
    of grandeur

    https://psychcentral.com/blog/grandiosity-and-delusion-grandeur#definition

    boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
    consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
    dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others

    Like - pretending that GPS clock are not real,

    No one is saying that.

    But some idiot was saying that.

    Wozzie-liar is the one saying that, so that makes him
    the idiot by his own words.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 17:47:54 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 17:02, gharnagel pisze:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 13:55:24 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 14:54, gharnagel pisze:

    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 5:42:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 06:08, gharnagel pisze:

    Le 27/08/2024 à 16:51, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

    No clocks were ever accelerated in any accelerator.
    It's an impudent lie believable only by fanatic idiots.

    This is another of Wozniak's multitudinous prevarications.
    He tacitly accepts atomic clocks when he asserts his false
    GPS t' = t baloney (t' is the time kept by the satellite
    clock which is NOT t by design).  Atomic clocks keep time
    by Cs-133 atoms, so atoms are clocks.

    No they are not, you simply don't know
    what a clock is, just like most (if not
    all) of relativistic idiots.
    https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock

    Wozniak lacks sufficient vision and is woefully ignorant of
    the information he worships:

    https://www.britannica.com/technology/atomic-clock

    Harmagel is lying and slandering withaut any
    basement, as usual. Nothing changes,
    https://www.istockphoto.com/pl/search/2/image-film?phrase=clock
    clocks are like that, an atom is not.

    So L'il Wozzie-boy, self-proclaimed information
    guru, says I'm lying and slandering because I
    provided a link to the information in britannica.


    A lie and slander again, I say it, but for another
    reason.




    And - anyone can check GPS, or TAI, or UTC
    -  atomic clocks don't keep "time by
    Cs-133 atom",  they keep something else.

    Wozzie keeps something else: it's called lying.

    Not the first Harrie's demonstration
    of denying the reality.

    That's right, not the first, because I haven't done
    so even once.

    You announced GPS clocks not real
    as they didn't fit your sick
    delusions olf "reality". Google
    keeps record, sorry, trash.

    but people much wiser than you made the mistake too.

    So it's a mistake to check the validity of a theory with
    experiments?

    Yes. Experiments are - really - projecting
    the beliefs of the experimentist. Nothing
    you could comprehend, of course.

    Anyway, you don't need them when the theory is inconsistent,
    like the mumble of your idiot guru was.

    Says the congenital liar and denier of reality.

    So L'il Wozzie can conclude assumptions are inconsistent
    without examining them?

    Assumptions are inconsistent when they give
    some conclusions denying each other,

    Which doesn't happen with relativity.

    Of course it does. I've pointed it directly.

    No one is saying that.

    But some idiot was saying that.

    Wozzie-liar

    Google keeps record, sorry, trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Aug 28 17:41:28 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:47:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 17:02, gharnagel pisze:

    So L'il Wozzie-boy, self-proclaimed information
    guru, says I'm lying and slandering because I
    provided a link to the information in britannica.

    A lie and slander again, I say it, but for another
    reason.

    "Reason" is something Wozzie doesn't have.

    That's right, not the first, because I haven't done
    so even once.

    You announced GPS clocks not real
    as they didn't fit your sick
    delusions olf "reality". Google
    keeps record, sorry, trash.

    This shows that Wozzie-liar has been searching for the
    truth his whole life, planning on putting it under arrest.

    So it's a mistake to check the validity of a theory with
    experiments?

    Yes. Experiments are - really - projecting
    the beliefs of the experimentist. Nothing
    you could comprehend, of course.

    What is to be comprehended from this explosive bowel
    movement is that Wozzie is a nihilistic misanthrope.

    Assumptions are inconsistent when they give
    some conclusions denying each other,

    Which doesn't happen with relativity.

    Of course it does. I've pointed it directly.

    Wozzie has delusions of grandeur:

    https://psychcentral.com/blog/grandiosity-and-delusion-grandeur#definition

    "boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments"

    “There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
    things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
    The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

    And Wozzie-liar is definitely in the second group.

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
    murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
    and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which
    burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
    -- Revelation 21:8

    Besides being a liar, I wonder how many of those other
    descriptors match Wozzie's status. "Fearful"? Probably.
    How about "unbelieving"? Definitely. He certainly doesn't
    believe solid scientific evidence. And he's certainly
    "abominable"!

    No one is saying that.

    But some idiot was saying that.

    Wozzie-liar

    Google keeps record,

    Nobody goes there anymore. But there is a record,
    and the complete record is:

    "Wozzie-liar is the one saying that, so that makes him
    the idiot by his own words."

    I guess Wozzie-liar doesn't like to have his nose
    rubbed in the fact that he's an idiot. Now if he
    could just degrade another step or two down, he'd
    be a vegetable and wouldn't realize his sad condition.

    sorry, trash.

    Nice signature. Very descriptive. Wozzie definitely
    is sorry trash.

    What goes around comes around.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 20:21:59 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 19:41, gharnagel pisze:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 15:47:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 17:02, gharnagel pisze:

    So L'il Wozzie-boy, self-proclaimed information
    guru, says I'm lying and slandering because I
    provided a link to the information in britannica.

    A lie and slander again, I say it, but for another
    reason.

    "Reason" is something Wozzie doesn't have.

    That's right, not the first, because I haven't done
    so even once.

    You announced GPS clocks not real
    as they didn't fit your sick
    delusions olf "reality". Google
    keeps record, sorry, trash.

    This shows that Wozzie-liar has been searching for the
    truth his whole life, planning on putting it under arrest.

    Your barking and spitting changes nothing,
    poor trash, google keeps record.


    Yes. Experiments are - really - projecting
    the beliefs of the experimentist. Nothing
    you could comprehend, of course.

    What is to be comprehended from this explosive bowel
    movement is that Wozzie is a nihilistic misanthrope.

    Nothing you could comprehend; as said.



    Assumptions are inconsistent when they give
    some conclusions denying each other,

    Which doesn't happen with relativity.

    Of course it does. I've pointed it directly.

    Wozzie has delusions of grandeur:

    Do I or don't I - also irrelevant. The physics
    of your idiot guru was predicting both 86400s
    and 99766s for my case - simultaneously.
    That means it was inconsistent.

    No one is saying that.

    But some idiot was saying that.

    Wozzie-liar

    Google keeps record,

    Nobody goes there anymore.  But there is a record,
    and the complete record is:

    Poor idiot Harrie was trying to announce GPS clocks
    not real, cause it don't want to fit those moronic
    prophesies of his idiot guru.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Aug 28 19:07:47 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:21:59 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 19:41, gharnagel pisze:

    "Reason" is something Wozzie doesn't have.

    This shows that Wozzie-liar has been searching for the
    truth his whole life, planning on putting it under arrest.

    Your barking and spitting changes nothing,
    poor trash, google keeps record.

    Google groups is defunct. Wozzie is just barking and
    spitting.

    What is to be comprehended from this explosive bowel
    movement is that Wozzie is a nihilistic misanthrope.

    Nothing you could comprehend; as said.

    It's all of humanity that comprehends that Wozzie-liar
    is abominable.

    Wozzie has delusions of grandeur:

    Do I or don't I

    Oh, he definitely does.

    - also irrelevant.

    Wozzie-liar lies again. It's definitely relevant
    because he is not competent to criticize relativity.

    The physics of your idiot guru was predicting
    both 86400s and 99766s for my case - simultaneously.

    Well, no it wasn't. Wozzie-liar is making a fool of
    himself for the 3000th time. As he himself said,
    86400 is a definition, not a prediction. Wozzie-liar
    play fast and loose with the truth.

    That means it was inconsistent.

    Relativity "predicts" that the moving observer would
    calculate that the earth would appear to take 99766
    seconds to make one revolution. That's not inconsistent,
    that is consistent with all the experimental evidence,
    that is, information. As a self-proclaimed information
    guru, Wozzie inconsistently denies information.

    Poor idiot Harrie was trying to announce GPS clocks
    not real, cause it don't want to fit those moronic
    prophesies of his idiot guru.

    Poor brain-damaged Wozzie-liar, two steps below imbecile,
    is fortunate to be able to spell GPS, but is totally
    incompetent to criticize his close relative, let alone
    relativity.

    So let's restore some truth that Wozzie-liar wants to
    sweep under the rug:

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
    and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
    idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
    lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
    the second death." -- Revelation 21:8

    That description of Wozzie-liar is fascinating.
    Particularly that word, abominable, which he
    certainly is. Let's check a few synonyms:

    Abhorrent. Yep.
    Atrocious. You bet.
    Contemptible. Certainly.
    Despicable. Yup.
    Foul. Wozzie is the foul ball of the group.
    Heinous. That's a good one!
    Hellish. Probably what the Revelater was thinking of.
    Odious. Oh, yeah! Right up there with obnoxious.
    Reprehensible. Great one!
    Repugnant. Definitely.
    Vile. Eww, yeah.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 28 21:42:19 2024
    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 21:07, gharnagel pisze:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 18:21:59 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 19:41, gharnagel pisze:

    "Reason" is something Wozzie doesn't have.

    This shows that Wozzie-liar has been searching for the
    truth his whole life, planning on putting it under arrest.

    Your barking and spitting changes nothing,
    poor trash, google keeps record.

    Google groups is defunct.

    But it still keep record, trash.


    What is to be comprehended from this explosive bowel
    movement is that Wozzie is a nihilistic misanthrope.

    Nothing you could comprehend; as said.

    It's all of humanity that comprehends that Wozzie-liar
    is abominable.



    Wozzie has delusions of grandeur:

    Do I or don't I

    Oh, he definitely does.

    - also irrelevant.

    Wozzie-liar lies again.  It's definitely relevant
    because he is not competent to criticize relativity.

    The physics of your idiot guru was predicting
    both 86400s and 99766s for my case - simultaneously.

    Well, no it wasn't.

    Yes, it was. A fanatic lying idiot
    screaming "NOOOOO!!!", spitting and waving
    his arms is changing nothing.


    86400 is a definition, not a prediction.

    :)
    So you know what the definition was, poor
    trash?


    Relativity "predicts" that the moving observer would
    calculate that the earth would appear to take 99766
    seconds to make one revolution.

    And it predicted that measuring a day,
    i.e. comparing it to 1/86400 of itself,
    will give 86400. By any observer, in any
    circumstances., unless your idiot guru
    refuted basic arithmetics, just like
    he refuted basic geometry later.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 02:01:17 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 19:42:19 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 21:07, gharnagel pisze:

    Google groups is defunct.

    But it still keep record,

    Only the cold, dead old stuff. Wozzie must like to
    rummage through the

    trash.

    It's all of humanity that comprehends that Wozzie-liar
    is abominable.

    Wozzie-liar lies again.  It's definitely relevant
    because he is not competent to criticize relativity.

    The physics of your idiot guru was predicting
    both 86400s and 99766s for my case - simultaneously.

    Well, no it wasn't.

    Yes, it was.

    Wozzie lies again. Whatever this thing is, it keeps a
    record, as Wozzie is SO fond of saying (but never shows).

    So the record is:
    "Wozzie-liar is making a fool of himself for the 3000th
    time. As he himself said, 86400 is a definition, not a
    prediction. Wozzie-liar play fast and loose with the
    truth."

    So Wozzie is really the

    fanatic lying idiot screaming "NOOOOO!!!", spitting
    and waving his arms, changing nothing.

    86400 is a definition, not a prediction.

    :)
    So you know what the definition was, poor
    trash?

    So Wozzie doesn't know the difference between a definition
    and a prediction, as expected from a dizzy, defuddled
    demented disinformation engineer.

    Relativity "predicts" that the moving observer would
    calculate that the earth would appear to take 99766
    seconds to make one revolution.

    And it predicted that measuring a day,

    Ah, but Wozzie-liar said there were no measurements.
    Wozzie reneges and loses the contest.

    i.e. comparing it to 1/86400 of itself,
    will give 86400.

    That makes no sense. as expected from a discombobulated,
    addlepated disinformation toady.

    By any observer, in any circumstances.

    This is Wozzie-liar's vacuous assertion. He just made
    it up out of his butt-wind.

    It couldn't have come from anyplace else since he's
    been apprised of these cold, hard facts:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    He spits, screams, lies, insults and slanders to no avail.

    “The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it,
    ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”
    -- Winston Churchill

    And there it is. Don Quixote de la Wozniak loses the
    fight with the windmill over and over and over again,
    as he screams, "They might be giants!"

    Demented. Tsk, tsk.

    unless your idiot guru refuted basic arithmetics,

    If Wozzie could actually count, he'd realize he'd
    spent 86400 hours attacking windmills while gaining
    nothing. All he's gotten is older and stupider.

    just like he refuted basic geometry later.

    Too bad Wozzie is so stupid he doesn't realize "basic
    geometry" was dethroned long before Einstein when the
    earth was mapped using spherical geometry. Once
    people realized that plane geometry was just one of
    many possible geometries, the floodgates were opened
    and along came Riemann, which Einstein found useful.
    Autistic Wozzie is clueless that using some other
    geometry doesn't "refute" any of the others. That
    assertion is just plain stupid, just as stupid as
    his misanthropic attacks on relativity.

    Wozzie-simpleton is still in the 17th century with
    Newtonian universal time and Greek geometry. He
    seems to be stuck there, maybe he should turn in his
    computer because it's an anachronism in his demented
    world.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 06:17:50 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 19:42:19 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 28.08.2024 o 21:07, gharnagel pisze:

    Google groups is defunct.

    But it still keep record,

    Only the cold, dead old stuff.


    And including your tales of not real
    GPS clocks.


    It's all of humanity that comprehends that Wozzie-liar
    is abominable.

    Wozzie-liar lies again.  It's definitely relevant
    because he is not competent to criticize relativity.

    The physics of your idiot guru was predicting
    both 86400s and 99766s for my case - simultaneously.

    Well, no it wasn't.

    Yes, it was.

    Wozzie lies again.

    A fanatic lying idiot screaming "NOOOOO!!!", spitting
    and waving his arms is changing nothing.


    Relativity "predicts" that the moving observer would
    calculate that the earth would appear to take 99766
    seconds to make one revolution.

    And it predicted that measuring a day,

    Ah, but Wozzie-liar said there were no measurements.

    Even such idiot should be able to understand
    that if it is a prediction of the result of
    measurement - it's before the measurement and
    if it's before - there is no measurement.

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Repeating your lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-dentying nonsenses
    of your idiot guru is still irrelevant for
    the thread...

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack it,
    ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

    And here it is - the mumble of your idiot guru
    was not even consistent.


    Too bad Wozzie is so stupid he doesn't realize "basic
    geometry" was dethroned long before Einstein when the
    earth was mapped using spherical geometry.

    As usual - a very, very impudent lie.
    Riemann has invented his absurd in late XIX
    centurey - do Harrie really try to persuade
    that no maps existed before?
    Well, we have a direct witness - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37157/37157-pdf.pdf
    basic mathematics was still ruling in 1905.
    Of course, after your idiot guru announced it
    false - his church immediately doctored tons
    of evidence for that, including those absurd
    of "maps are denying it".

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 14:40:18 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 14:15, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 4:17:50 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    Only the cold, dead old stuff.

    And including your tales of not real
    GPS clocks.

    ADHD Wozzie can't stay on the topic that HE started;
    namely, the c/2 inertial observer.

    You did your best to change it, buut with
    but without serious successes.




    Even such idiot should be able to understand
    that if it is a prediction of the result of
    measurement - it's before the measurement and
    if it's before - there is no measurement.

    Even demented Wozzie should be able to understand that
    his assertions are complete nonsense and lies.

    Really? Were all those magnificient predictions
    of The Shit made after the things they predicted
    happened?

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack it,
    ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

    And here it is - the mumble of your idiot guru
    was not even consistent.

    And here it is, Wozzie is lying again.

    A fanatic idiot screaming "NOOOO!!!", spitting
    and slandering is changing nothing, the
    mumble of his idiot guru remains inconsistent,
    I've proven that.



    Riemann has invented his absurd in late XIX
    centurey

    And Wozzie-liar fibs again.  Riemann died in 1866, before
    Einstein was born.  That's hardly the "late XIX century"

    Let it be - the middle XIX century.
    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    - do Harrie really try to persuade that no  maps existed
    before?

    Wozzie is trying to deflect from the fact that his absurd
    assertions have been demolished

    Harrie is trying to deflect from the fact that his
    absurd assertions have been demolished.
    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    by making dishonest claims.

    Well, we have a direct witness -
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37157/37157-pdf.pdf
    basic mathematics was still ruling in 1905.

    ???

    Unhinged Wozzie-fool makes no sense.

    One of the saints of The Shit's church
    is writing it clearly: in 1905 no real
    doubts against Euclidean geometry were
    present. No idiots screaming of ordinary
    maps allegedly denying it.
    But then your idiot guru announced it false.
    So - obedient doggies immediately doctored
    tons of evidence against it. Including
    that absurd with maps. That's how the
    church of The Shit works.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 12:15:06 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 4:17:50 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 04:01, gharnagel pisze:

    Only the cold, dead old stuff.

    And including your tales of not real
    GPS clocks.

    ADHD Wozzie can't stay on the topic that HE started;
    namely, the c/2 inertial observer. This indicates
    serious mental problems.

    Wozzie lies again.

    A fanatic lying idiot screaming "NOOOOO!!!", spitting
    and waving his arms is changing nothing.

    The only one spitting and screaming is Wozzie-liar. I
    merely pointed out that Wozzie tells lies.

    Ah, but Wozzie-liar said there were no measurements.

    Even such idiot should be able to understand
    that if it is a prediction of the result of
    measurement - it's before the measurement and
    if it's before - there is no measurement.

    Even demented Wozzie should be able to understand that
    his assertions are complete nonsense and lies. But he
    doesn't, so he's worse than demented.

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Repeating your lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-dentying nonsenses
    of your idiot guru is still irrelevant for
    the thread...

    Demented Wozzie-fool is incompetent to make such an
    abominable condemnation. This is beyond the ken of a
    self-proclaimed "information engineer" who is so
    arrogant that he believes he can create and destroy
    information :-))

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack it,
    ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

    And here it is - the mumble of your idiot guru
    was not even consistent.

    And here it is, Wozzie is lying again.

    Too bad Wozzie is so stupid he doesn't realize "basic
    geometry" was dethroned long before Einstein when the
    earth was mapped using spherical geometry.

    As usual - a very, very impudent lie.

    Wozzie is lying again. Tsk, tsk. Shameful. He needs to
    have his mouth washed out with soap.

    Riemann has invented his absurd in late XIX
    centurey

    And Wozzie-liar fibs again. Riemann died in 1866, before
    Einstein was born. That's hardly the "late XIX centurey"

    - do Harrie really try to persuade that no maps existed
    before?

    Wozzie is trying to deflect from the fact that his absurd
    assertions have been demolished by making dishonest claims.

    Well, we have a direct witness - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37157/37157-pdf.pdf
    basic mathematics was still ruling in 1905.

    ???

    Unhinged Wozzie-fool makes no sense. But it's irrelevant
    to the topic, which ADHD Wozzie can't seem to stay on.
    His OP has nothing to do with GPS or maps. When his
    assertions are refuted, he makes other baseless assertions.
    He doesn't put on a very good show.

    Of course, after your idiot guru announced it
    false - his church immediately doctored tons
    of evidence for that, including those absurd
    of "maps are denying it".

    Wozzie-liar is demonstrably mentally disturbed. Perhaps
    that will save him from this fate:

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
    and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
    idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
    lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
    the second death." -- Revelations 21:8

    But then, perhaps not since he is still an abominable
    showman.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 13:32:35 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:40:18 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 14:15, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 4:17:50 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    And including your tales of not real
    GPS clocks.

    ADHD Wozzie can't stay on the topic that HE started;
    namely, the c/2 inertial observer.

    You did your best to change it, buut with
    but without serious successes.

    Au contraire, Wozzie with his oppositional defiant
    disorder (ODD) blames others for his own failings:

    Often argues with people in authority.
    Often annoys or upsets people on purpose.
    Often blames others for their own mistakes or misbehavior.

    Even such idiot should be able to understand
    that if it is a prediction of the result of
    measurement - it's before the measurement and
    if it's before - there is no measurement.

    Even demented Wozzie should be able to understand that
    his assertions are complete nonsense and lies.

    Really?

    Absolutely.

    Were all those magnificient predictions of The Shit made
    after the things they predicted happened?

    ADHD ODD-Wozzie is making no sense again.

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack it,
    ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

    And here it is - the mumble of your idiot guru
    was not even consistent.

    And here it is, Wozzie is lying again.

    ODD-Wozzie is the fanatic idiot screaming "NOOOO!!!",
    spitting, insulting, lying and slandering.

    His mumble remains inconsistent, I've proven that.

    Riemann has invented his absurd in late XIX
    centurey

    And Wozzie-liar fibs again.  Riemann died in 1866, before
    Einstein was born.  That's hardly the "late XIX century"

    Let it be - the middle XIX century.
    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    Yes, maps existed before he (i.e., mentally-disturbed Wozzie)
    declared his idiocies.

    - do Harrie really try to persuade that no  maps existed
    before?

    Wozzie is trying to deflect from the fact that his absurd
    assertions have been demolished

    Wozzie is trying to deflect from the fact that his
    absurd assertions have been demolished.
    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    One of the saints of The Shit's church
    is writing it clearly: in 1905 no real
    doubts against Euclidean geometry were
    present.

    A total lie from ODD Wozzie who routinely denies
    valid evidence and creates excessive butt-wind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Only an unhinged ODD Wozzie-fool would deny this.

    Often argues with people in authority.
    Often annoys or upsets people on purpose.
    Often blames others for their own mistakes or misbehavior.

    That's dear ol' Wozzie.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 16:19:16 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 15:32, gharnagel pisze:

    Let it be - the middle XIX century.
    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    Yes, maps existed before he (i.e., mentally-disturbed Wozzie)
    declared his idiocies.

    But did they exist before Riemann declared his idiocies?
    If they did they change much after that?

    So, did maps exist before he declared his
    idiocies or not?

    One of the saints of The Shit's church
    is writing it clearly: in 1905 no real
    doubts  against Euclidean geometry were
    present.

    A total lie from ODD Wozzie who routinely denies

    Another example of reality denying by
    Harrie, well known reality denier. You've
    got a direct link to Poincare's text.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Your pathetic lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru are still irrelevant for
    the thread.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 16:37:46 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:19:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 15:32, gharnagel pisze:

    Yes, maps existed before he (i.e., mentally-disturbed Wozzie)
    declared his idiocies.

    But did they exist before Riemann declared his idiocies?
    If they did they change much after that?

    I find it strange defending Riemannian geometry because I
    don't really like the geometrical interpretation of physics.
    I don't believe in the "fabric" of spacetime, although it's
    a fairly accurate model of reality.

    A total lie from ODD Wozzie who routinely denies
    valid evidence and creates excessive butt-wind.

    Another example of reality denying by
    Harrie, well known reality denier. You've
    got a direct link to Poincare's text.

    "To doubt everything or to believe everything are
    two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the
    necessity of reflection.
    "Instead of a summary condemnation we should examine with
    the utmost care the rôle of hypothesis"

    And Wozzie is the one who doubts and condemns everything,
    with neither reflection nor examination.

    ODD-Wozzie somehow believes that his link refutes alternative
    geometries. It doesn't. The problem is, ADHD Wozzie can't
    understand what he reads. He gets distracted by his butt-
    wind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Your pathetic lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru are still irrelevant for
    the thread.

    ODD ADHD Wozzie is incompetent to read scientific text, let
    alone understand it. He goes through life arrogantly
    believing he has done great things, but he's the only one
    in the whole world that thinks so.

    “There are basically two groups of people. People who accomplish
    things, and people who claim to have accomplished things.
    The first group is less crowded.” – Mark Twain

    “A fool is someone whose arrogance is only surpassed by his ignorance.”
    ― Orrin Woodward

    Since Wozzie condemns without proper examination, his assertions
    are no more than vacuous opinions.

    "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."
    - Albert Einstein

    “To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when you are
    proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven wrong, decides
    to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 19:52:38 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 18:37, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:19:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 15:32, gharnagel pisze:

    Yes, maps existed before he (i.e., mentally-disturbed Wozzie)
    declared his idiocies.

    But did they exist before Riemann declared his idiocies?
    If they did they change much after that?

    I find it strange defending Riemannian geometry because I
    don't really like the geometrical interpretation of physics.
    I don't believe in the "fabric" of spacetime, although it's
    a fairly accurate model of reality.

    We know your reality - you had to delete
    GPS clocks from it, as they didn't fit
    your sick delusions.
    So, did maps exist before Riemann?



    A total lie from ODD Wozzie who routinely denies
    valid evidence and creates excessive butt-wind.

    Another example of reality denying by
    Harrie, well known reality denier. You've
    got a direct link to Poincare's text.

    "To doubt everything or to believe everything are
    two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the
    necessity of reflection.
    "Instead of a summary condemnation we should examine with
    the utmost care the rôle of hypothesis"

    And:
    "Experiment no doubt teaches us that the sum of the
    angles of a triangle is equal to two right angles".
    Those idiocies of Earth maps allegedly denying that -
    were concocted later by relativistic doggies to
    excuse the madness of their idiot guru.

    And Wozzie is the one who doubts

    Said Harrie, well known for his doubts.


    ODD-Wozzie somehow believes that his link refutes alternative
    geometries.

    A lie/slander again.
    Of course.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Your pathetic lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru are still irrelevant for
    the thread.

    ODD ADHD Wozzie is incompetent to read scientific text, let
    alone understand it.  He goes through life arrogantly
    believing he has done great things, but he's the only one
    in the whole world that thinks so.

    Your spitting, lies and slanders help nothing.
    The Shit of your idot guru was not even consistent
    and most of its so called "evidence" was doctored.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 19:45:59 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:52:38 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 18:37, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:19:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    But did they exist before Riemann declared his idiocies?
    If they did they change much after that?

    I find it strange defending Riemannian geometry because I
    don't really like the geometrical interpretation of physics.
    I don't believe in the "fabric" of spacetime, although it's
    a fairly accurate model of reality.

    We know your reality

    There is no "we" with Wozniak, so he is lying again, or he has
    a mouse in his pocket.

    - you had to delete
    GPS clocks from it, as they didn't fit
    your sick delusions.

    Wozniak can stuff his sick delusions up his butt. Nobody cares
    about his railings, lies and stupid dishonest questions.

    So, did maps exist before Riemann?

    Like that one, for example.

    And this nonsensical, moronic chattering:

    Another example of reality denying by
    Harrie, well known reality denier. You've
    got a direct link to Poincare's text.

    "To doubt everything or to believe everything are
    two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the
    necessity of reflection.
    "Instead of a summary condemnation we should examine with
    the utmost care the rôle of hypothesis"

    And:
    "Experiment no doubt teaches us that the sum of the
    angles of a triangle is equal to two right angles".
    Those idiocies of Earth maps allegedly denying that -
    were concocted later by relativistic doggies to
    excuse the madness of their idiot guru.

    Silly, silly Wozzie-boy. The sum of the angles of a
    triangle on the earth's surface is NOT equal to two right
    angles. Wozzie-fool picked a quote which is demolished
    by a simple test.

    And Wozzie is the one who doubts

    Said Harrie, well known for his doubts.

    Well, I certainly doubt that Wozzie-liar has an honest
    brain-cell in his head.

    ODD-Wozzie somehow believes that his link refutes
    alternative geometries.

    A lie/slander again.
    Of course.

    Okay, then Wozzie-liar believes in Riemannian geometry
    and relativity.

    "Never put both feet in your mouth at the same time, because
    then you won't have a leg to stand on." -- Anon.

    And he now believes that experimentalists are honest:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    So he was lying when he wrote this:
    Your pathetic lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru are still irrelevant for
    the thread.

    ODD ADHD Wozzie is incompetent to read scientific text, let
    alone understand it.  He goes through life arrogantly
    believing he has done great things, but he's the only one
    in the whole world that thinks so.

    Your spitting, lies and slanders help nothing.

    Well, it sure doesn't help cure Wozzie'sADHD ODD mental
    instability. But I was hoping.

    The Shit of your idot guru was not even consistent
    and most of its so called "evidence" was doctored.

    A lie, of course, concocted by fundamentally dishonest and
    incompetent Wozzie-liar. First he says there are no valid
    geometries other than Euclidean, then he says there are
    more, then he says now there aren't? Wozzie is a very
    sick soul. Apparently, he's addicted to an endorphin boost
    by arguing, insulting, lying and slandering. He can go
    pound sand.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 22:00:13 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 21:45, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:52:38 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 18:37, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 14:19:16 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    But did they exist before Riemann declared his idiocies?
    If they did they change much after that?

    I find it strange defending Riemannian geometry because I
    don't really like the geometrical interpretation of physics.
    I don't believe in the "fabric" of spacetime, although it's
    a fairly accurate model of reality.

    We know your reality

    There is no "we" with Wozniak, so he is lying again, or he has
    a mouse in his pocket.

    - you had to delete
    GPS clocks from it, as they didn't fit
    your sick delusions.

    Wozniak can stuff his sick delusions up his butt.  Nobody cares
    about his railings, lies and stupid dishonest questions.

    So, did maps exist before Riemann?

    Like that one, for example.

    Harrie, trash, if I understood you correctly
    you claimed that making maps became possible
    thanks to his great invention of spherical
    geometry. Didn't you?


    Another example of reality denying by
    Harrie, well known reality denier. You've
    got a direct link to Poincare's text.

    "To doubt everything or to believe everything are
    two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the
    necessity of reflection.
    "Instead of a summary condemnation we should examine with
    the utmost care the rôle of hypothesis"

    And:
    "Experiment no doubt teaches us that the sum of the
    angles of a triangle is equal to two right angles".
    Those idiocies of Earth maps allegedly denying that -
    were concocted later by relativistic doggies to
    excuse the madness of their idiot guru.

    Silly, silly Wozzie-boy.  The sum of the angles of a
    triangle on the earth's surface is NOT equal to

    Silly, silly Poincare-boy. Didn't have Harrie
    around to enlighten him.



    ODD-Wozzie somehow believes that his link refutes
    alternative geometries.

    A lie/slander again.
    Of course.

    Okay, then Wozzie-liar believes in Riemannian geometry
    and relativity.

    A lie/slander again. Of course.



    Your pathetic lies of zillions of experiments
    allegedly confirming self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru are still irrelevant for
    the thread.

    ODD ADHD Wozzie is incompetent to read scientific text, let
    alone understand it.  He goes through life arrogantly
    believing he has done great things, but he's the only one
    in the whole world that thinks so.

    Your spitting, lies and slanders help nothing.

    Well, it sure doesn't help cure Wozzie'sADHD ODD mental
    instability.  But I was hoping.

    The Shit of your idot guru was not even consistent
    and most of its so called "evidence" was doctored.

    A lie, of course, concocted by fundamentally dishonest and
    incompetent Wozzie-liar.

    I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
    statements derivable in the physics of your
    idiot guru. Your lies, slanders, insults won't
    help, it was inconsistent.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 23:06:07 2024
    W dniu 29.08.2024 o 22:44, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:00:13 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
    statements derivable in the physics of your
    idiot guru. Your lies, slanders, insults won't
    help, it was inconsistent.

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally

    Screaming "NOOOOOOO!!!!" and stamping feet
    won't help, the proof won't go away, the
    mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent. Sorry, trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Aug 29 20:44:04 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 20:00:13 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    [Extreme bs and nonsense deleted]
    ....
    I've pointed directly 2 denying themself
    statements derivable in the physics of your
    idiot guru. Your lies, slanders, insults won't
    help, it was inconsistent.

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally
    dishonest and incompetent Wozzie-liar. Wozzie
    is a very sick soul. Apparently, he's addicted
    to an endorphin boost by arguing, insulting,
    lying and slandering. He can go pound sand.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Aug 30 03:01:38 2024
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:06:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Lies, slanders, insults and nonsense deleted]

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally
    dishonest and incompetent Wozzie-liar. Wozzie
    is a very sick soul. Apparently, he's addicted
    to an endorphin boost by arguing, insulting,
    lying and slandering. He can go pound sand.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 06:07:47 2024
    W dniu 30.08.2024 o 05:01, gharnagel pisze:
    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:06:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Lies, slanders, insults and nonsense deleted]

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally
    dishonest and incompetent Wozzie-liar.  Wozzie
    is a very sick soul.  Apparently, he's addicted
    to an endorphin boost by arguing, insulting,
    lying and slandering.  He can go pound sand.


    Screaming "NOOOOOOO!!!!" and stamping feet
    won't help, the proof won't go away, the
    mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent. Sorry, trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Aug 30 13:44:00 2024
    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 4:07:47 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 30.08.2024 o 05:01, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:06:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Lies, slanders, insults and nonsense deleted]

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally
    dishonest and incompetent Wozzie-liar.  Wozzie
    is a very sick soul.  Apparently, he's addicted
    to an endorphin boost by arguing, insulting,
    lying and slandering.  He can go pound sand.


    Screaming "NOOOOOOO!!!!" and stamping feet
    won't help, the proof won't go away, the
    mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent. Sorry, trash.

    Stupid, ignoramus Wozzie-fool believes he "wins" by
    being the last poster, so he cuts and pastes his past
    idiocies. This is his typical infantile behavior.

    Also typical is his lying, delusional assertions that
    he has "proven" relativity is inconsistent.

    He hasn't. He has fabricated an insane fable that is
    of full holes and everyone laughs at. Here is the OP:

    "an observer moving with c/2 wrt solar system is
    measuring the length of solar day. What is the
    result predicted by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the postulates.
    The second prediction is - 86400. From definition."

    In subsequent posts, he waffles and says no measurement
    was made, and then he tries to assert that relativity
    makes the two "predictions", and then he waffles about
    .. well, just about everything. Then he yells and
    screams that he is being insulted and slandered when
    his house of cards is demolished by cold, hard facts.

    And he denies reality when confronted by the cold,
    hard facts and claims that all experimental evidence
    is fabricated. He is just projecting his own duplicity
    in fabricating a bogus fable in the first place.

    In the first place, a definition is not a prediction.
    He seems to believe that the moving observer is
    justified in using the definition as a second "prediction"
    which is ludicrous. In the second place, definitions
    have only limited value in physics. When evidence
    shows that they are wrong in certain situations, they
    no longer apply.

    Consequently, the "definition" must be replaced by an
    observer on earth making a measurement. So we allow
    that he measures the earth day as 86400 seconds.

    So the moving observer "measures" the day as 99766
    seconds, and the earth observer measures 86400 seconds.

    This is exactly what SR predicts, and all the experimental
    evidence supports this prediction. Wozniak then calls the
    the experimental evidence false to support his house of
    cards fable, which is veritable insanity. He is in denial
    of reality and should consider being institutionalized.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 30 15:57:30 2024
    W dniu 30.08.2024 o 15:44, gharnagel pisze:
    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 4:07:47 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 30.08.2024 o 05:01, gharnagel pisze:

    On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:06:07 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    [Lies, slanders, insults and nonsense deleted]

    All lies, of course, concocted by fundamentally
    dishonest and incompetent Wozzie-liar.  Wozzie
    is a very sick soul.  Apparently, he's addicted
    to an endorphin boost by arguing, insulting,
    lying and slandering.  He can go pound sand.


    Screaming "NOOOOOOO!!!!" and stamping feet
    won't help, the proof won't go away, the
    mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent. Sorry, trash.

    Stupid, ignoramus Wozzie-fool believes he "wins" by
    being the last poster, so he cuts and pastes his past
    idiocies.  This is his typical infantile behavior.

    Stupid, ignoramus Harrie-fool believes he "wins" by
    being the last poster, so he cuts and pastes his past
    idiocies. This is his typical infantile behavior.

    I win because I've proven the thesis I claimed.
    You loose because apart of mad ravings, idiotic
    lies, dodging questions, insult and slanders
    you presented nothing. Sorry, trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Aug 30 22:38:20 2024
    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:57:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:


    I win because I've proven the thesis I claimed.
    You loose because apart of mad ravings, idiotic
    lies, dodging questions, insult and slanders
    you presented nothing. Sorry, trash.

    Wozzie deletes the entire disproof that his insane
    assertions because he knows that it's bool poop.
    Then repeats the lie that he's proven it,; on the
    contrary, he has fabricated a fable. Definitions
    don't count as physics, theories count (unless
    refuted by measurements). Therefore, denying
    experimental evidence, particularly when repeated
    again and again by different experimenters, IS insane.

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Wozniak's assertion that EVERYONE is lying about
    their experiments is a mental dysfunction called
    paranoia.

    "Clinical paranoia is a rare mental health condition
    in which you believe that others are unfair, lying,
    or actively trying to harm you"

    He also has delusions of grandeur, believing he's
    disproved relativity when he hasn't.

    These describe poor, poor Wozzie. He needs help.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 06:42:06 2024
    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 00:38, gharnagel pisze:
    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:57:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:


    I win because I've proven the thesis I claimed.
    You loose because apart of mad ravings, idiotic
    lies, dodging questions, insult  and slanders
    you presented nothing. Sorry, trash.

    Wozzie deletes the entire disproof that his insane
    assertions because he knows that it's bool poop.

    I've pointed out 2 denying themself predictions
    derivable in the physics of your idiot guru.
    I've proven its inconsistency.
    A fanatic doggie screaming "NOOOOO!!!!" and waving
    his arms is changing nothing. Sorry, trash.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sat Aug 31 11:52:26 2024
    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 4:42:06 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 00:38, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:57:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    I win because I've proven the thesis I claimed.
    You loose because apart of mad ravings, idiotic
    lies, dodging questions, insult  and slanders
    you presented nothing. Sorry, trash.

    Wozzie deletes the entire disproof that his insane
    assertions because he knows that it's bool poop.

    I've pointed out 2 denying themself predictions
    derivable in the physics of your idiot guru.
    I've proven its inconsistency.

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy. His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds and (3) that copious experimental evidence
    supporting relativity is fabricated by lying scientists.

    A fanatic doggie screaming "NOOOOO!!!!" and waving
    his arms is changing nothing. Sorry, trash.

    It is obvious that the only one screaming "NOOOOO!!!!"
    and lying in his teeth is the poor mentally-unbalanced
    Maciej Wozniak.

    "Clinical paranoia is a rare mental health condition
    in which you believe that others are unfair, lying,
    or actively trying to harm you"

    He also has delusions of grandeur, believing he's
    disproved relativity with the ridiculous points
    enumerated above.

    No one in his right mind would accept assertion #1
    on the bare face of it. Only someone stuck in the
    17th century with Newton's universal time would
    believe that. Anyone who understands relativity
    and its experimental basis rejects #2 and #3 as
    infantile babbling. Insistence on them only prove
    that Wozniak is not competent to criticize relativity.

    And, no, cutting and pasting his repeated rantings
    isn't a rebuttal. They're only a sorry attempt to be
    the last poster in a thread and, therefore, "prove"
    that he "won" the contest. How infantile!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 14:42:41 2024
    Le 31/08/2024 à 14:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    [snip boring nonsense]

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,

    Speaking of norms, you are the only person of your kind
    (as you admitted). It is quite weak for a norm, isn't it Maciej?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 14:32:58 2024
    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 4:42:06 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 00:38, gharnagel pisze:

    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:57:30 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    I win because I've proven the thesis I claimed.
    You loose because apart of mad ravings, idiotic
    lies, dodging questions, insult  and slanders
    you presented nothing. Sorry, trash.

    Wozzie deletes the entire disproof that his insane
    assertions because he knows that it's bool poop.

    I've pointed out 2 denying themself predictions
    derivable in the physics of your idiot guru.
    I've proven its inconsistency.

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying. Like always.
    I didn't make any of these claims.



    and (3) that copious experimental evidence
    supporting relativity is fabricated by lying scientists.

    At least this one is true. Of course,
    youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the
    assertions that they are kind of "evidence"
    for the self-denying mumble of your idiot
    guru.
    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,
    you're even insisting that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 15:08:32 2024
    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 14:42, Python pisze:
    Le 31/08/2024 à 14:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    [snip boring nonsense]

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,

    Speaking of norms, you are the only person of your kind
    (as you admitted). It is quite weak for a norm, isn't it Maciej?

    It is. Still, with your mad lies you've
    lost any norms, you're even insisting
    that ordinary maps of Earth surface
    are denying basic mathematics. Or maybe
    it's just limited for your fellow trash,
    with you not involved?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 15:22:35 2024
    Le 31/08/2024 à 15:08, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 14:42, Python pisze:
    Le 31/08/2024 à 14:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    [snip boring nonsense]

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,

    Speaking of norms, you are the only person of your kind
    (as you admitted). It is quite weak for a norm, isn't it Maciej?

    It is.

    Good to know that we agree.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sat Aug 31 20:46:54 2024
    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    "Clinical paranoia is a rare mental health condition
    in which you believe that others are unfair, lying,
    or actively trying to harm you"

    when they could have misunderstood him. Or, which is
    the case here, that Wozniak doesn't understand the
    implications of his claim:

    "an observer moving with c/2 wrt solar system is
    measuring the length of solar day. What is the
    result predicted by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766. From the postulates.
    The second prediction is - 86400. From definition."

    So "(1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe" implies
    that Wozniak believes that the moving observer
    should measure 86400 seconds, too.

    As for (2) that relativity is false because it
    predicts that an observer moving at c/2 will
    measure a day on earth as 99766 seconds
    (according to relativity) is also his claim.

    Like always.
    I didn't make any of these claims.

    So Wozniak is lying that he didn't effectively make
    claims (1) and (2).

    and (3) that copious experimental evidence
    supporting relativity is fabricated by lying
    scientists.

    At least this one is true.

    As are all three.

    Of course, youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the assertions
    that they are kind of "evidence"

    Wozniak hasn't denied that he definitely smeared
    hundreds of honest scientists claiming they lied
    about their experimental results. That puts him
    squarely in the paranoia classification.

    And anyone with brains enough to connect dots
    understands that the experimental evidence fully
    confirms that what relativity predicts what the
    moving observer will measure is supported by
    said evidence. That Wozniak can't, or refuses
    to, connect those dots says everything about him
    and nothing about relativity.

    for the self-denying mumble of your idiot
    guru.

    Wozniak continues to insult, slander and lie
    because of his paranoia.

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,
    you're even insisting that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.

    Wozniak is projecting his own abnormalities
    on others, refusing to take responsibility
    for his own mental health.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 1 06:36:52 2024
    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 22:46, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    Nope. So, Harrie is impudently lying because
    I never claimed these things. Of course, impudent
    lies are what is expected from a relativistic doggie
    in general and from Harrie especially.


    Of course, youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the assertions
    that they are  kind of "evidence"

    Wozniak hasn't denied that he definitely smeared
    hundreds of honest scientists claiming they lied
    about their experimental results.

    That's how a fanatic madness works.

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,
    you're even insisting that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.

    Wozniak is projecting his own abnormalities
    on others

    Nope, your bunch of idiots is indeed mad
    enough to insist that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.. Can
    provide a quoting.

    , refusing to take responsibility
    for his own mental health.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sun Sep 1 12:22:26 2024
    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 4:36:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 22:46, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    Nope. So, Harrie is impudently lying because
    I never claimed these things.

    Wozniak is in denial, deleting the damning explanation
    that he is paranoid while demonstrating his paranoia
    again :-))

    "Clinical paranoia is a rare mental health condition
    in which you believe that others are unfair, lying,
    or actively trying to harm you"

    Of course, impudent
    lies are what is expected from a relativistic doggie
    in general and from Harrie especially.


    Of course, youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the assertions
    that they are  kind of "evidence"

    Wozniak hasn't denied that he definitely smeared
    hundreds of honest scientists claiming they lied
    about their experimental results.

    That's how a fanatic madness works.

    Yes, Wozniak has hit the nail on the head: he demonstrates
    a "fanatic madness" by calling hundreds of scientists liars.

    With your mad lies you've lost any norms,
    you're even insisting that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.

    Wozniak is projecting his own abnormalities
    on others

    Nope, your bunch of idiots is indeed mad
    enough to insist that ordinary maps
    are denying basic mathematics.. Can
    provide a quoting.

    Wozniak refuses to address the issue:

    "His claim that relativity is inconsistent is
    based on ridiculous assertions (1) that the
    'definition' of a day (84600 seconds) applies
    to the entire universe,"

    which is in essence what his assertion implies:
    namely, Newton's universal time. He hasn't
    explained how that is not so, merely screaming
    that it's all a lie.

    So he prefers character assassination to honest
    debate.

    "(2) that relativity is false because it predicts
    that an observer moving at c/2 will measure a day
    on earth as 99766 seconds"

    So Newtonian time theory would predict that the
    traveler would measure the day as 86400 seconds,
    which is refuted by the experimental evidence
    which Wozniak rejects simply because it demolishes
    his house of cards:

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    He has serious mental problems: paranoia (believes
    people are lying to him), projection (blames others
    for doing what he himself does), delusions of
    grandeur (tilting at windmills, claiming he has
    shown relativity to be inconsistent when, in fact,
    he has not done so), denial of reality (screaming
    that the experimental evidence for relativity has
    nothing to do with his assertions, which is a bald-
    faced falsehood) and refusing to take responsibility
    for his own mental health.

    "Three things cannot hide for long: the Moon, the
    Sun and the Truth.” -- Buddha

    “The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack
    it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there
    it is.” -- Winston Churchill

    Malice and ignorance are synonyms for Wozniak's
    behavior. He has what Mark Twain called "petrified
    opinon." He's been promoting this baloney for years,
    never learning anything new (except for, once in a
    while, new ways to tell lies).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 1 15:00:22 2024
    W dniu 01.09.2024 o 14:22, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 4:36:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 22:46, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    Nope. So, Harrie is impudently lying because
    I never claimed these things.

    Wozniak is in denial

    Nope. Harrie is in lying.


    Of course, youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the assertions
    that they are  kind of "evidence"

    Wozniak hasn't denied that he definitely smeared
    hundreds of honest scientists claiming they lied
    about their experimental results.

    That's how a fanatic madness works.

    Yes, Wozniak has hit the nail on the head: he demonstrates
    a "fanatic madness"

    Oppositely, you and your fellow liars demonstrate
    fanatic madness by insisting that clocks of
    GPS are not real, ordinary Earth maps are denying
    basic [Euclidean] mathematics and so on.


    "His claim that relativity is inconsistent is
    based on ridiculous assertions (1) that the
    'definition' of a day (84600 seconds) applies
    to the entire universe,"

    As said before - I've never said such thing, poor
    Harrie is lying, as expected from him. I said, of
    course, that it does apply to the physics of his
    idiot guru - as it was the officially declared
    definition there.



    So he prefers character assassination to honest
    debate.

    "(2) that relativity is false because it predicts
    that an observer moving at c/2 will measure a day
    on earth as 99766 seconds"

    Neither.



    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Again, your impudent lies that these experiments
    are somehow supporting the self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru - are completely irrelevant
    to this thread.


    "Three things cannot hide for long: the Moon, the
    Sun and the Truth.” -- Buddha

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack
    it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there
    it is.”

    Right, here it is: the clocks of GPS are real
    and the physics of your idiot guru was not
    even consistent.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Sep 2 02:30:43 2024
    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 13:00:22 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 01.09.2024 o 14:22, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 4:36:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 22:46, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    Nope. So, Harrie is impudently lying because
    I never claimed these things.

    Wozniak is in denial

    Nope. Harrie is in lying.

    Wozniak has this paranoia problem, accusing people of
    lying to him. It's not a lie if they truly believe what
    they say. Wozniak claims he "never claimed these things"
    but what said strongly implied my thesis. It is not
    honest to claim he "never claimed these things" when his
    assertions logically lead to (1). As for (2), that is
    EXACTLY what he said:

    "an observer moving with c/2 wrt solar system is
    measuring the length of solar day. What is the
    result predicted by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766."

    So Wozniak is denying his own words now. I can't trust
    anyone who is this dupicitous.

    Of course, youhaven't fabricate these experiments,
    but you have for sure fabricated the assertions
    that they are  kind of "evidence"

    Wozniak hasn't denied that he definitely smeared
    hundreds of honest scientists claiming they lied
    about their experimental results.

    That's how a fanatic madness works.

    Yes, Wozniak has hit the nail on the head: he demonstrates
    a "fanatic madness"

    Oppositely, you and your fellow liars demonstrate
    fanatic madness by insisting that clocks of
    GPS are not real, ordinary Earth maps are denying
    basic [Euclidean] mathematics and so on.

    Either Wozniak truly believes what he says, or he is
    lying. If the former, then he misunderstands what
    "we" told him. I can't take responsibility for what
    others say, but I don't believe I ever said that "GPS
    clocks are not real." As for his other accusation,
    I don't recognize what "Euclidean" mathematics is.

    "His claim that relativity is inconsistent is
    based on ridiculous assertions (1) that the
    'definition' of a day (84600 seconds) applies
    to the entire universe,"

    As said before - I've never said such thing, poor
    Harrie is lying, as expected from him.

    That's Wozniak's problem: because of his paranoia,
    he EXPECTS people are lying to him.

    So he prefers character assassination to honest
    debate.

    "(2) that relativity is false because it predicts
    that an observer moving at c/2 will measure a day
    on earth as 99766 seconds"

    Neither.

    "an observer moving with c/2 wrt solar system is
    measuring the length of solar day. What is the
    result predicted by the Einsteinian physics?
    One prediction is - 99766."

    So Wozniak is denying his own words now. I can't have
    a meaningful discussion with anyone who is this dupicitous.

    https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

    Again, your impudent lies that these experiments
    are somehow supporting the self-denying mumble
    of your idiot guru - are completely irrelevant
    to this thread.


    "Three things cannot hide for long: the Moon, the
    Sun and the Truth.” -- Buddha

    “The truth is incontrovertible.  Malice may attack
    it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there
    it is.”

    Right, here it is: the clocks of GPS are real
    and the physics of your idiot guru was not
    even consistent.

    Duplicitous Wozniak is lying, IMHO. The other possibility
    is that he is incompetent to evaluate truth from error.
    A normal person when faced with proof that he is wrong,
    will reevaluate his position. He never does this, so I
    can only conclude from all of his behavior is that he has
    serious mental issues that need to be addressed.

    “To hate being wrong is to change your opinion when you are
    proven wrong; whereas pride, even when proven wrong, decides
    to go on being wrong.” ― Criss Jami

    I have changed my positions numerous times when presented
    with information that contradicts what I believe. It's
    not healthy to remain intransigent over the years.

    “Education isn’t something you can finish.” – Isaac Asimov

    “Changelessness is decay.” – Isaac Asimov

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 2 06:50:54 2024
    W dniu 02.09.2024 o 04:30, gharnagel pisze:
    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 13:00:22 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 01.09.2024 o 14:22, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 4:36:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 22:46, gharnagel pisze:

    On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:32:58 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 31.08.2024 o 13:52, gharnagel pisze:

    Wozzie's "thesis" is a concocted fantasy.  His claim
    that relativity is inconsistent is based on ridiculous
    assertions (1) that the "definition" of a day (84600
    seconds) applies to the entire universe, (2) that
    relativity is false because it predicts that an observer
    moving at c/2 will measure a day on earth as 99766
    seconds

    Harrie is impudently lying.

    So Wozniak has this serious mental problem because he
    thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is lying:

    Nope. So, Harrie is impudently lying because
    I never claimed these things.

    Wozniak is in denial

    Nope.  Harrie is in lying.

    Wozniak has this paranoia problem, accusing people of
    lying to him.  It's not a lie if they truly believe what
    they say.  Wozniak claims he "never claimed these things"
    but what said strongly implied my thesis.

    You're obviously a pedophile murderer; you
    didn't write it, but what you wrote strongly
    implied my thesis.

    Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
    the clocks of GPS are still real and
    the physics of your idiot guru remains
    inconsistent.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Sep 2 13:16:53 2024
    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 4:50:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
    the clocks of GPS are still real

    I never said they weren't. Wozniak is being duplicitous
    by ignoring the fact that the satellite clocks are made
    to run slow so that they'll appear to run at proper speed
    when viewed on earth, all according to general relativity.

    Wozniak has had this explained to him many times, but he
    intransigently lies about it: when t = time on earth and
    t' = time in orbit, t' definitely does NOT equal t.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#References

    Apparently, Wozniak refuses to read the copious evidence,
    beliving that it's all lies.

    “A person who won’t read has no advantage over one who
    can’t read.” – Mark Twain

    and the physics of your idiot guru remains inconsistent.

    Wozniak's OP had nothing to do with GR, only SR. By
    bringing in GR at this point is duplicitous. Wozniak
    projects his own dishonesty on others, believing they are
    lying to him. This is a fact every honest person who
    reads his posts can attest to. Wozniak dishonestly makes
    a false claim and pretends that he believes it in a
    deceitful attempt to twist truth.

    "A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth,
    and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood."
    -- William Shenstone

    Wozniak must be hoping that there is no God.

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable,
    and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
    idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
    lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is
    the second death." -- Revelation 21:8

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 2 17:23:04 2024
    W dniu 02.09.2024 o 15:16, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 4:50:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
    the clocks of GPS are still real

    I never said they weren't.

    Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.



    Wozniak has had this explained to him many times, but he
    intransigently lies about it:  when t = time on earth and
    t' = time in orbit, t' definitely does NOT equal t.

    So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
    base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
    what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
    of them ) going to be?

    Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
    Lies still have short legs.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Sep 3 14:11:10 2024
    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:23:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 02.09.2024 o 15:16, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 4:50:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
    the clocks of GPS are still real

    I never said they weren't.

    Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.

    Neither. Wozniak is so mendacious. He uses dishonest
    "gotcha" assertions and questions: He doesn't define
    "real" so it can mean anything like "not nonexistent"
    (which is certainly true) or "bona fide" (which leaves
    that definition flapping in the wind. It has been
    explained to him many, many times that the satellite
    clocks are ENGINEERED so they run slow:

    Wozniak has had this explained to him many times, but he
    intransigently lies about it:  when t = time on earth and
    t' = time in orbit, t' definitely does NOT equal t.

    So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
    base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
    what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
    of them ) going to be?

    Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
    Lies still have short legs.

    And Wozniak has no legs to stand on because he has both feet
    in his mouth. The satellite clocks are updated twice a day,
    IIRC, due to irregularities in the orbits and the earth's
    mass uniformity. The rate offset takes care of relativistic
    effects between updates, so Wozniak's question is nonsense
    for two reasons: (1) what the satellite clocks "read" depends
    on where the "reader" is, which Wozniak dishonestly fails to
    specify. The satellite clock time (t') is measured AT the
    satellite clock, but there's no one there to read it, so
    Wozniak asks a pointless question. (2) The satellite clocks
    are designed to run slow when tested before launch and the
    Principle of Relativity assures that they will still have the
    same slow rate in orbit (dt'). Measured from earth, though,
    their rate will agree with earth clocks (dt), all according
    to relativity.

    But the big elephant in the room is that Wozniak is trying
    to deflect from the topic of the OP which is about SR and
    has nothing to do with the GPS (which is about GR). He has
    lost the SR squabble so he tries to change the rules. I've
    magnanimously answered according to the new rules anyway,
    and firmly planted both of Wozniak's feet in his mouth. He
    has no legs to stand on, and those are the shortest legs of
    all because they don't even reach the ground :-)

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 3 19:23:56 2024
    W dniu 03.09.2024 o 16:11, gharnagel pisze:
    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:23:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 02.09.2024 o 15:16, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 4:50:54 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Doesn't matter for the thread, however,
    the clocks of GPS are still real

    I never said they weren't.

    Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.

    Neither.  Wozniak is so mendacious.  He uses dishonest
    "gotcha" assertions and questions: He doesn't define
    "real" so it can mean anything like "not nonexistent"
    (which is certainly true) or "bona fide" (which leaves
    that definition flapping in the wind.  It has been
    explained to him many, many times that the satellite
    clocks are ENGINEERED

    Harrie, clocks which are not - exist only
    in your moronic gedanken delusions. In
    the real world - every clock ever was
    engineered.


    Wozniak has had this explained to him many times, but he
    intransigently lies about it:  when t = time on earth and
    t' = time in orbit, t' definitely does NOT equal t.

    So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS
    https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
    base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
    what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
    of them ) going to be?

    Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
    Lies still have short legs.

    And Wozniak has no legs to stand on because he has both feet

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.

    Of course, you can't fill your lies with
    details. It would be difficult if your
    lies were well prepared, but for such
    absurd lies as your bunch of idiots
    present it is totally impossible.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 4 19:54:29 2024
    W dniu 04.09.2024 o 19:37, gharnagel pisze:
    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:23:56 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 03.09.2024 o 16:11, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:23:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.

    Neither.  Wozniak is so mendacious.  He uses dishonest
    "gotcha" assertions and questions: He doesn't define
    "real" so it can mean anything like "not nonexistent"
    (which is certainly true) or "bona fide" (which leaves
    that definition flapping in the wind.  It has been
    explained to him many, many times that the satellite
    clocks are ENGINEERED

    Harrie, clocks which are not - exist only
    in your moronic gedanken delusions. In
    the real world - every clock ever was
    engineered.

    Mendacious Maciej prevaricates again by deleting part of
    my response.  This is LYING.

    No, this is selecting, and mendacious Gary is doing
    the same, always.





    So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS
    https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
    base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
    what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
    of them ) going to be?

    Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
    Lies still have short legs.

    And Wozniak has no legs to stand on because he has both feet

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.

    Wozzie-burning-butt is so-o-o anxious to misdirect from the big

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.Of course.
    Lies still have short legs.

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Sep 4 17:37:32 2024
    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:23:56 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 03.09.2024 o 16:11, gharnagel pisze:

    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 15:23:04 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Yes, you did. At least you're ashamed.

    Neither.  Wozniak is so mendacious.  He uses dishonest
    "gotcha" assertions and questions: He doesn't define
    "real" so it can mean anything like "not nonexistent"
    (which is certainly true) or "bona fide" (which leaves
    that definition flapping in the wind.  It has been
    explained to him many, many times that the satellite
    clocks are ENGINEERED

    Harrie, clocks which are not - exist only
    in your moronic gedanken delusions. In
    the real world - every clock ever was
    engineered.

    Mendacious Maciej prevaricates again by deleting part of
    my response. This is LYING. He deletes "so they run
    slow" and acts like it wasn't there so he believes he
    can blabber about "all clocks are engineered."

    The lying Weasel Wozniak's words belie the fact that
    normal clocks are NOT engineered to run slow.

    “How much better would life be if a liar’s pants really
    did catch fire? -- Rebel Circus

    If they did, Wozzie's butt would be a giant blaze.

    So, when t (the readings of a clock in a ground GPS https://gssc.esa.int/navipedia/index.php/GPS_Ground_Segment
    base - choose any of them ) is 2024-09-04-15:00:00.0000000 -
    what is t'(the readings of a GPS satellite - choose any https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites
    of them ) going to be?

    Still no answer? Of course. And still no surprise.
    Lies still have short legs.

    And Wozniak has no legs to stand on because he has both feet

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.

    Wozzie-burning-butt is so-o-o anxious to misdirect from the big
    elefink in the room; namely, his total dishonesty. He deletes
    a correct answer to his question, which I was not obligated to
    answer anyway because his questions are meant to cover the
    truth with merde (pardon my French).

    Of course, you can't fill your lies with details.

    Another bald-faced lie. Wozzie-liar deleted the details:

    "(1) what the satellite clocks "read" depends
    on where the "reader" is, which Wozniak dishonestly fails to
    specify. The satellite clock time (t') is measured AT the
    satellite clock, but there's no one there to read it, so
    Wozniak asks a pointless question. (2) The satellite clocks
    are designed to run slow when tested before launch and the
    Principle of Relativity assures that they will still have the
    same slow rate in orbit (dt'). Measured from earth, though,
    their rate will agree with earth clocks (dt), all according
    to relativity."

    So there's no one on the satellite to measure t', but the
    satellite clocks are engineered to run slow, and because
    they are well-engineered, sane people can be sure they're
    STILL running slow, even though we don't have a little
    Wozzie-fool up there to read them.

    Wozzie has merde all over his face from his mendacious lies.

    "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
    murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,
    and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth
    with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
    -- Revelations 21:8

    Mendacious Maciej is fervently praying that there is no God.
    Why would he be praying if there were no God? Because Wozzie
    is a humongous hypocrite :-))

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  • From gharnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Sep 6 12:01:27 2024
    On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 17:54:29 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 04.09.2024 o 19:37, gharnagel pisze:

    On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 17:23:56 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    Harrie, clocks which are not - exist only
    in your moronic gedanken delusions. In
    the real world - every clock ever was
    engineered.

    Mendacious Maciej prevaricates again by deleting part of
    my response.  This is LYING.

    No, this is selecting,

    Selecting? That's a euphemism for what Wozzie-liar does.
    What Wozzie-liar does is lying by omission.

    "Lying by omission is the deliberate act of leaving out
    important details so the truth is skewed or misrepresented."

    Wozzie-liar does this continually and knowingly.

    and mendacious Gary is doing the same, always.

    Wozzie-liar is projecting his own rank dishonesty and
    furthering his mendacity for claiming I'm being untruthful.

    What I say may not always be correct, but I'm describing
    what's implied by Wozzie-liar's behavior. Although he may
    vociferously deny it, it is most likely true.

    Wozzie-liar KNOWS he's not telling the truth. He is a
    congenital liar. Actually, he also has some of the traits
    of a pathological liar, too:

    https://tagvault.org/blog/pathological-liar-vs-compulsive-liar-vs-congenital-liar/

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.

    Just the title Wozzie-liar named this thread is a monumental
    insult and slander. Wozzie-liar is a congenital slanderer.

    Wozzie-burning-butt is so-o-o anxious to misdirect from the big

    Any number? No. More insults? Yes.Of course.
    Lies still have short legs.

    More dishonesty from Wozzie-liar. The correct answer is
    NOT a number, and he deleted that answer because it was
    inconvenient for his mendacious schemes.

    The lying Weasel Wozniak's words belie the fact that normal
    clocks are NOT engineered to run slow, "selecting" not to
    include "to run slow." Just more dishonesty from Wozzie-
    liar.

    “How much better would life be if a liar’s pants really
    did catch fire? -- Rebel Circus

    If they did, Wozzie's butt would be a giant blaze.

    Wozzie-burning-butt is so-o-o anxious to misdirect from the big
    elefink in the room; namely, his total dishonesty. He deletes
    a correct answer to his question, which I was not obligated to
    answer anyway because his questions are meant to cover the
    truth with merde (pardon my French).

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