• Time does not end...

    From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 15:57:55 2023
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Thu Oct 19 21:14:43 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?

    It doesn't.

    Where was that second time before? with the first time?

    N/A

    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    N/A

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    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to JanPB on Thu Oct 19 23:31:25 2023
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 06:14:45 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.

    It doesn't, indeed, One shouldn't treat the mumble of relativistic
    morons too seriously. It's a kind of modern poetry.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Fri Oct 20 10:59:21 2023
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.

    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    Your teachers have cheated you Jan.
    They left you out... They can be your authority...

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    N/A
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?
    N/A

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    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 20 12:28:40 2023
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 19:59:23 UTC+2, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?

    Because its author was a mumbling idiot,

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 20 13:37:34 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?

    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.

    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.

    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.

    --
    Jan

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Fri Oct 20 15:28:24 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.

    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.


    --
    Jan

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 21 12:55:46 2023
    On 10/20/2023 6:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside. >> No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.

    You don't know the theory jan.

    Prove it does not say time ends there.

    Roy, it is your claim, so it is up to you to point out where one time
    ends and another begins in relativity.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Volney on Sun Oct 22 16:42:38 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:55:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 6:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.

    You don't know the theory jan.

    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    Roy, it is your claim, so it is up to you to point out where one time
    ends and another begins in relativity.

    I can claim what is real in GR.

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Oct 24 21:51:10 2023
    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Oct 24 15:00:52 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.

    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that cross the horizon.

    --
    Jan

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Oct 24 15:01:30 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:42:40 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 9:55:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 10/20/2023 6:28 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>> It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.

    You don't know the theory jan.

    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    Roy, it is your claim, so it is up to you to point out where one time
    ends and another begins in relativity.
    I can claim what is real in GR.

    GR says no such thing.

    --
    Jan

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Wed Oct 25 19:43:55 2023
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that
    cross the horizon.

    There are two times being used. One ends at the horizon and proper beyond that...


    --
    Jan

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Wed Oct 25 19:51:42 2023
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:43:58 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that
    cross the horizon.
    There are two times being used. One ends at the horizon and proper beyond that...

    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
    a mirage.

    --
    Jan

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Thu Oct 26 10:34:04 2023
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:43:58 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that
    cross the horizon.
    There are two times being used. One ends at the horizon and proper beyond that...
    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
    a mirage.

    --
    Jan

    You were taught wrong jan.
    Fall does reach the speed of light.
    Time does end at a BH.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Thu Oct 26 11:09:07 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.


    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    The first three secinds are simply Time created in...seconds.

    Before the 'second' we had Time without seconds. Eternal Time.

    No beginning, no end.


    I mean, yous people still don't understand The Code!

    This is The Code: 'In the begininng, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    Now, you take The Code..."In the begininng..."

    Define "In"
    Define "the"
    Define "beginning"

    And The Code reads: 'In space, the first second was created.'

    or, 'In Time, the first second was created.'


    And the movie began...frame by frame.

    Time is film without the frames. Add a frame...you have the first second of the movie.

    I hope you brought your own popcorn...



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu Oct 26 11:20:46 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...

    The first three secinds are simply Time created in...seconds.

    Before the 'second' we had Time without seconds. Eternal Time.

    No beginning, no end.


    I mean, yous people still don't understand The Code!

    This is The Code: 'In the begininng, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    Now, you take The Code..."In the begininng..."

    Define "In"
    Define "the"
    Define "beginning"

    And The Code reads: 'In space, the first second was created.'

    or, 'In Time, the first second was created.'


    And the movie began...frame by frame.

    Time is film without the frames. Add a frame...you have the first second of the movie.

    I hope you brought your own popcorn...



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 13:19:06 2023
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Thu Oct 26 14:37:59 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the >>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 16:58:43 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the >>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    The watch that God was wearing before didn't have seconds or minutes or
    a big hand and a little hand.

    It was not a timeless watch...it was a tick tock less watch.


    An hour glass without the sand...


    it was kind of...boring.


    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Thu Oct 26 20:03:04 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:34:07 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:43:58 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that
    cross the horizon.
    There are two times being used. One ends at the horizon and proper beyond that...
    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
    a mirage.

    --
    Jan
    You were taught wrong jan.
    Fall does reach the speed of light.
    Time does end at a BH.

    No. This is false. Someone has been telling you stories.

    --
    Jan

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Fri Oct 27 12:13:50 2023
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:03:07 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:34:07 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:43:58 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:37:37 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 3:57:57 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    It doesn't.
    Why does BH event horizon theory claim time ends?
    It doesn't claim that. OTOH in GR space and time do have a boundary
    at the singularity.
    It says one time ends there and another or proper time takes over inside.
    No, there is no such thing in the theory. Someone has been pulling your leg.
    You don't know the theory jan.
    Prove it does not say time ends there.
    It's a simple fact of the relevant geometry: there exist timelike curves that
    cross the horizon.
    There are two times being used. One ends at the horizon and proper beyond that...
    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like a mirage.

    --
    Jan
    You were taught wrong jan.
    Fall does reach the speed of light.
    Time does end at a BH.
    No. This is false. Someone has been telling you stories.

    You have been wrong about this jan.
    You can't count on your education for what is right.
    Clearly the theory says it does... and first at the event
    horizon...

    Mitchell Raemsch

    --
    Jan

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 28 15:16:11 2023
    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the >>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Sat Oct 28 21:38:20 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the >>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 29 11:50:38 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 9:37:47 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.
    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    I know a God exists...I see you playing Him...
    God is Math before man.

    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 29 13:40:48 2023
    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the >>>>>>> object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to JanPB on Sun Oct 29 14:34:26 2023
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:51:44 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:

    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
    a mirage.

    --
    Jan

    Hi Jan. That confuses me. As I understand it, relativity equations explain what
    IS after time delays due to light speed are removed, yes?

    A related question: An object in orbit outside the event horizon can undergo infinite time dilation from the perspective of a distant observer if r = 1.5Rs: dtau^2/dt^2 = 1 - Rs/r - v^2/c^2, where v^2 = GM/r, yes?
    Isn't that essentially the same as a stationary object at the event horizon?

    A third question: For an object falling toward the event horizon, v_r/c = 1 - 2GM/rc^2,
    when dtau = 0 and so does v_r, yes?

    Sorry for piling on questions :-(

    Gary

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gary Harnagel on Sun Oct 29 15:56:39 2023
    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 2:34:28 PM UTC-7, Gary Harnagel wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:51:44 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:

    No. Gr says no such thing. What it says is that light signals as perceived by an
    external observer are delayed which is a purely optical phenomenon, like
    a mirage.

    --
    Jan

    At a BH gravity slows time and stops it jan.
    That is a mathematical disproof of it.
    The atom cannot fall to the speed of light...
    nothing can push it there.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Sun Oct 29 16:32:07 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always >> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.




    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 29 17:03:50 2023
    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been >>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always >>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.

    Afaict, that still boils down to a chicken and egg problem. So, the
    universe was always there to solve it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 29 17:04:50 2023
    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall >>>>>>>>> into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still >>>>>>>>> moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been >>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always >>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Sun Oct 29 17:50:32 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been >>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always >>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.

    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 29 20:38:14 2023
    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been >>>>>> there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always >>>>>> been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of >>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Sun Oct 29 23:34:51 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of >>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.


    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Mon Oct 30 11:29:21 2023
    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of >>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.

    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    God Creates His Gravity... since the absolute beginning. And will never stop... He is Creating Time forever...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 30 13:29:17 2023
    On 10/30/2023 11:29 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:38:22 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of >>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>>>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled. >>>
    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.

    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    God Creates His Gravity... since the absolute beginning. And will never stop...
    He is Creating Time forever...

    Was God ever truly alone?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Mon Oct 30 13:29:31 2023
    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of >>>>>> the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>>>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evoled. >>>
    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Wed Nov 1 13:02:38 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>>>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved. >>>
    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    But in the process, of the big bang God would
    be...dispersed.


    E=Mc^2



    Enrico Fermi when he was 21 years old:

    Enrico Fermi was intensively involved with Einstein's theory of relativity and traced the hidden power of atomic nuclei.
    In 1923, he wrote that it would probably not be possible to release this energy in the near future, "because
    the first effect would be an explosion so terrible that it would tear the physicist who tried it to pieces".



    God is...everywhere.


    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Wed Nov 1 13:07:53 2023
    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the >>>>>>> Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he >>>>>> always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved. >>>>>
    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak? >>>
    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Wed Nov 1 16:07:22 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11Ãƒà ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48Ãƒà ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak? >>>
    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu Nov 2 13:49:28 2023
    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11âââ€ÅÃ
    ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48âââ€Å
    ‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense?

    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem? >>>>>>>>>>
    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak? >>>>>
    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Fri Nov 3 10:45:26 2023
    On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 1:49:32 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11âââ€ÅÃ
    ‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48âââ€Ãâ€
    ¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????
    Where did the universe come from?

    Who created the Earth?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Fri Nov 3 11:30:33 2023
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11Ãƒà ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢Ãƒà ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Ã
    ‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬Ãƒà ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48Ãƒà ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢Ãƒà ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ãâ€
    Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬Ãƒà ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first?
    What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?

    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
    universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    The big bang was the 'expansion' of space...not the creation of space.


    Is it SPACE you're asking about?

    Space is the something else that surrounds the univese you are enclosed
    in.


    It was pretty dark then...


    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat Nov 4 10:04:50 2023
    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€Ã
    …¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€
    šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state? >>>>>>>>>>
    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
    universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Nov 4 12:28:40 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€
    ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚ÂÂ
    ¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe.

    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
    universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
    enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in



    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.


    Are you not aware of what you speak????





    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Nov 5 01:51:17 2023
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚ÂÂ
    šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Â
    ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
    enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????




    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
    surrounded by something else.


    Don't use the word...."In".








    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Nov 5 10:19:03 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Â
    ¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Ã
    ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
    surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 5 11:06:23 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Ã
    ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚
    ‚¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".

    Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".

    You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the horizon.

    There you will find...something else.



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Nov 5 11:39:23 2023
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Ã
    ‚¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢âââ€Å
    ¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".
    Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".

    You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the horizon.

    There is no beyond the hypersphere universe.
    Higher round is first with no physical before it.


    There you will find...something else.
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 5 12:00:52 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚
    ¬Å¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢âââ€
    ¡Ã‚¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^)

    In another way... He has always been a timeless God...

    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore.


    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang.

    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result
    of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in

    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".
    Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".

    You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the horizon.

    There is no beyond the hypersphere universe.
    Higher round is first with no physical before it.

    I'm on the lower round horizon, can you see me? Where Time melts away...





    There you will find...something else.
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Nov 5 12:33:20 2023
    On 11/5/2023 11:06 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>> The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’Æ’ÂÃâ€Å
    ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€Ãâ€
    ¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚Ã
    ’ƒâ€šÃ‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂÃâ€
    šÃ‚¢ÃƒÃ�€ ’¢â€Ãââ
    ¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚Ã
    ƒÆ’ƒâ€šÃ‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else.
    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>>>>>>
    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
    universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE >>>>>> around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
    enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>>
    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
    surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".

    Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".

    You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the horizon.

    Check out the complixity of the border of the Mandelbrot set.



    There you will find...something else.




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 5 12:32:44 2023
    On 11/5/2023 10:19 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢â€
    ƒâ€¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚ÂÂ
    ¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then

    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed >>>>>>> or surrounded by something else.
    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>>>>>
    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the
    universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE
    around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe.

    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
    enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>
    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary...


    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
    surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Oh wow! Mitch is the 100% concerete authority on the secrets of
    everything... Yawn. ;^o




    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From Chris M. Thomasson@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 5 12:35:46 2023
    On 11/5/2023 11:39 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 11:06:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Sunday, November 5, 2023 at 1:50:43 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>> The Starmaker wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 11/1/2023 1:02 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 11:34 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/29/2023 4:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/28/2023 9:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/26/2023 2:37 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:19:11ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚ÂÂ
    šÂ¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
    On 10/26/2023 11:20 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:08:48ÃÃ�€ ’ƒÂ¢ÃÃ�€ ’¢ââ‚Â
    ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÃ�€ ’‚¯AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2023 3:57 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At an event horizon how does one time end and another take over?
    Where was that second time before? with the first time?
    How are their two times together first? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes the first go away without infinite gravity?

    Think of an observer watching an object with moving parts on it fall
    into a black hole. The observer would notice that the movements of the
    object are getting slower and slower, even though the object is still
    moving at its normal speed. Make an sense? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time does not end at all.
    If Time does not end at all then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Time has no beginning at all.

    No. There can be an absolute beginning without an end...
    [...]

    Did God exist before this "absolute beginning"? ;^) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In another way... He has always been a timeless God... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's a bit of a head scratcher for me. Something that has always been
    there. It was never created, and will never pass away. For it has always
    been there, and will always be there... Forevermore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    God wasn't always there...

    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So, are you saying the universe itself is the real, "God"? Evolution of
    the universe implies that it was in a primordial sort of state?

    Well, afaict, it boils down to basically a chicken and egg problem?

    Fair enough?

    You confusing before the big bang with after the big bang. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God came Before the big bang...He created it. God is a result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the evolution of the universe..the universe that existed Before the
    Big Bang.





    He created it implies that he existed before creation. Therefore, was he
    always there, or not? Chicken and egg, basically... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    God is a result of the evolution of the universe. That means God Evolved.

    God wasn't always there...

    and neither were you.


    How long did the universe exist before God came into play, so to speak?

    forever and a day.



    :^D

    Was God ever truly alone? Humm...

    Before God came into play...so to speak, ..

    the universe had plenty of time to figure out
    how to create a universe with everything IN IT.

    The universe needed a God to create it.

    [...]

    So this is your answer to the chicken and egg problem?

    God was before the universe, right?


    First a universe
    then
    God came in/evolved afterwards
    then
    God created the heavens and the earth....In the Beginning.

    "In"
    The operative word is "in"!

    Definition of the word...In:
    expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed
    or surrounded by something else.
    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>>>>>>>
    The Code:
    'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'


    in:
    to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.


    What is dis chicken business????

    Where did the universe come from?
    Are you refering to the universe you're "In"? enclosed IN. or the >>>>>>> universe it is surrounded by IN????

    To be clear, you're In a universe that is an enclosure of the SPACE >>>>>>> around it.

    What is your proof of that?
    The universe is in the hypersphere's boundary not another universe. >>>>>
    The PROOF is in the definition of the word..."In".

    **** Definition of the word...In:
    **** expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be
    enclosed
    **** or surrounded by something else.
    **** https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+in >>>>>
    YOU yourself uses the word "In"!...surrounded by something else.

    Are you not aware of what you speak????


    So, when you write: The universe is *in* the hypersphere's boundary... >>>>

    you are sayin: The universe hypersphere's boundary is enclosed or
    surrounded by something else.

    Not at all. The hypersphere is the final dimension and is
    not in any higher... no more physical orientation exists beyond it.
    There is only one universe measured...

    Mitchell Raemsch


    Don't use the word...."In".
    Maybe you don't understand the word...."boundary".

    You need to see beyond the boundary, beyond the borderline...beyond the
    horizon.

    There is no beyond the hypersphere universe.
    Higher round is first with no physical before it.

    If you say so! Wow, you are the oracle. Do any aliens consult you for
    your ultimate infinite knowledge? Yawn.



    There you will find...something else.
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.


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