• Exceeding c

    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 27 23:45:59 2023
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Sep 28 22:12:24 2023
    On 28-Sept-23 4:45 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

    No.

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  • From Gary Harnagel@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Sep 28 05:28:07 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:46:01 AM UTC-6, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

    Maybe. After all, the universe is just too big a place
    to be limited to the worm-crawling speed of light.

    Yes, if:

    1. wormholes or warp metrics are possible.

    or, not light, but

    2. neutrinos (or some other particles) are tachyons

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Thu Sep 28 06:13:43 2023
    On Thursday, 28 September 2023 at 14:12:28 UTC+2, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 28-Sept-23 4:45 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?
    No.

    Are You sure, lady? And what if
    I have a twin? Will it be "no" also for
    him and his proper clock?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 28 14:29:29 2023
    Le 28/09/2023 à 14:12, Sylvia Else a écrit :
    On 28-Sept-23 4:45 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

    No.

    The speed of light is never, in itself, more than a wave of the present.

    The present obviously moves instantly for the direct observer.

    This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in the
    distance, I see them as they are today, and instantly.

    Simply, their notion of the present does not correspond to their notion of
    the present.

    Concept of cone of light.

    The cone of light is, in fact, a cone of simultaneity.

    A present cone.

    So if you turn on your lamp, I will perceive it instantly, but I will
    perceive a snapshot of your present which corresponds to T=X/c

    We immediately see that if the information is instantaneous, you will
    never be able to go faster than instantaneous.

    It is therefore absurd to think that something faster (in transversal observability) than c could exist.

    It's not that "it couldn't be physically", it's that it's absurd.

    So answer: no.

    R.H.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Thu Sep 28 11:55:27 2023
    Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 28/09/2023 14:12, Sylvia Else a écrit :
    On 28-Sept-23 4:45 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

    No.

    The speed of light is never, in itself, more than a wave of the present.

    The present obviously moves instantly for the direct observer.

    This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in the
    distance, I see them as they are today, and instantly.

    Simply, their notion of the present does not correspond to their notion of the present.

    Concept of cone of light.

    The cone of light is, in fact, a cone of simultaneity.

    A present cone.

    So if you turn on your lamp, I will perceive it instantly, but I will perceive a snapshot of your present which corresponds to T=X/c

    We immediately see that if the information is instantaneous, you will
    never be able to go faster than instantaneous.

    It is therefore absurd to think that something faster (in transversal observability) than c could exist.

    It's not that "it couldn't be physically", it's that it's absurd.

    So answer: no.

    R.H.

    "a wave"?


    The future is not made in waves...it's made with particles.

    Each particle is placed in the future to form a picture.

    maybe a little smaller than a pixel...

    you put
    all the
    pixels togerther
    and you got
    the future..
    one
    particle
    at
    a
    time.






    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Fri Sep 29 10:38:21 2023
    The Starmaker wrote:

    Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 28/09/2023 14:12, Sylvia Else a écrit :
    On 28-Sept-23 4:45 pm, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    So can c be exceeded in your relativity or not.

    Well - suppose there is a guy with a lamp
    20 ly from me. We synchronize clocks
    with The Holy Procedure, at t0 he's flashing
    the lamp. Can the impulse reach me
    before my proper shitty clock reach
    (t0+20 years) of proper shitty time?

    Yes or no?

    No.

    The speed of light is never, in itself, more than a wave of the present.

    The present obviously moves instantly for the direct observer.

    This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in the distance, I see them as they are today, and instantly.

    Simply, their notion of the present does not correspond to their notion of the present.

    Concept of cone of light.

    The cone of light is, in fact, a cone of simultaneity.

    A present cone.

    So if you turn on your lamp, I will perceive it instantly, but I will perceive a snapshot of your present which corresponds to T=X/c

    We immediately see that if the information is instantaneous, you will
    never be able to go faster than instantaneous.

    It is therefore absurd to think that something faster (in transversal observability) than c could exist.

    It's not that "it couldn't be physically", it's that it's absurd.

    So answer: no.

    R.H.

    "a wave"?

    The future is not made in waves...it's made with particles.

    Each particle is placed in the future to form a picture.

    maybe a little smaller than a pixel...

    you put
    all the
    pixels together
    and you got
    the future..
    one
    particle
    at
    a
    time.



    You could say
    a paticle is the
    DNA of the universe.

    You could even
    give the particle
    4 letters or numbers.

    The particles make up
    a very high resolution of
    the universe.

    I can come up with
    4 letters!

    E, M, C, K.


    These 4 letters
    arranged
    make up the universe, the
    present and the future.

    E, M, C, K
    are like Leggos.


    What is the resolution of the universe?




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    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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