• Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank

    From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Sep 7 14:06:28 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:30:46 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:56:31 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

    Hahahahaha: https://www.scirp.org/journal/apc.aspx?journalid=69

    Any crank with 1299$ to burn can publish in this predatory journal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing#:~:text=Scientific%20Research%20Publishing%20(SCIRP)%20is,to%20be%20of%20questionable%20quality.

    "Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) is a predatory[1][2] academic publisher of open-access electronic journals, conference proceedings, and scientific anthologies that are considered to be of questionable quality"

    "The company has been accused of using email spam to solicit papers for submission.[7] Although it has an address in southern California, according to Jeffrey Beall it is a Chinese operation.[7] In 2014 there was a mass resignation of the editorial
    board of one of the company's journals, Advances in Anthropology, with the outgoing editor-in-chief saying of the publisher "For them it was only about making money. We were simply their 'front'."[8]"

    It looks like you stepped in it once again, Richard... probably because you don't know what you don't know...
    SHOW SOME RESPECT, IMBECILE.

    Dr. Smulky (you have not that degree) is almost your age, but did TWICE OR THRICE times what you did in life.
    He would wipe the floor using your face, in a scientific contest.

    If you were SO SUCCESSFUL, why are you SO RESENTED? It doesn't add.



    Joseph Smulsky
    Institute of Earth's Cryosphere, Tyum SC of SB RAS, Tyumen, Russia.
    Doctor of physical-mathematical sciences, Professor in theoretical and applied mechanics
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph-Smulsky-2

    65 publications from 1984 to 2023. In the 80's and the '90s, Dr. Smulsky published only in Russian.


    Some of them:

    Grebenikov, E.A. and Smulsky, J.J. (2007) Evolution of the mars orbit on time span in hundred millions years/reports on applied mathematics. A. A. Dorodnicyn Com-puting Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~
    smulski/Papers/EvMa100m4t2.pdf

    Sun and displacement of Mercury perihelion/The fundamental and applied problems of the mechanics. Proceeding of the VI All-Russian Scientific Conference, devoted 130-th anniversary of Tomsk State University and 40-th anniversary NII of Applied
    Mathematics and the Mechanics of Tomsk State University, University Pub-lishing House, Tomsk. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/ModSun51c.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Gravitation, field and rotation of mercury perihelion. Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 15th Annual Conference 7-11 April 2008 at the University of New Mexiko, Albuquuerque, 5, 254-260. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/
    Papers/08Smulsky2c.pdf

    Melnikov, V.P. and Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Astronomical theory of ice ages: New approximations. Solutions and Challenges. Academic Publishing House “GEO”, Novosibirsk. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/AsThAnE.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (1999) The theory of interaction. Publishing house of Novosibirsk University, Scientific Publishing Center of United Institute of Geology and Geophysics Siberian Branch of Russian Academy of Sciences, Novosibirsk. (In Russian).

    Smulsky, J.J. (2004) The theory of interaction. Publishing House “Cultural Information Bank”, Ekaterinburg. (In English) http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/Fou nPhisics/TVANOT1.doc

    Smulsky, J.J. (1995) The trajectories at interaction of two bodies, which depend on relative distance and velocity. Mathematical Modeling, 7, 111-126. (In Russian). http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/Russian1/FounPhisics/TrV2tl.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 1−hyperbolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 23-28.

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 2−parabolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 47-51. http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/FounPhisics/NFT.pdf
    "Abstract Based on the gravitational field equations of general relativity, Einstein proposed a formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion in 1915. It is pointed out in this paper that there were four mistakes in Einstein's original
    paper. The first was the mistake of integral calculation discovered by Huadi in 2015. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 71.7” a century. The second was the mistake of the expansion coefficient of integral
    function. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 14.3” a century.The third was to treat the perihelion and aphelion of Mercury’s elliptical orbit as poles of integrand expansion, resulted in that the
    correction term of general relativity should be equal to zero. The fourth was Einstein’s assumption that the constant terms in the formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion was equal to those in the Newton’s formula of gravity.
    However, by precise calculations based on the Schwarzschild metric and the geodesic equation of Riemann geometric, this constant term must be equal to zero. The result means that general relativity can only describe the parabolic orbits (with minor
    corrections) of planets in the solar system. It can not describe the elliptical and hyperbolic orbits of celestial bodies. So Einstein did not prove that general relativity could explain the precession of Mercury's perihelion with the value of 43” a
    century. Since the fourth mistake was fatal, making the equations of planetary motion of general relativity untenable, Einstein's gravity theory of curved space-time does not hold." -"Four Mistakes in the Original Paper of Einstein in 1915 to Calculate
    the Precession of Mercury’s Perihelion" by Mei

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Thu Sep 7 16:20:18 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:30:46 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:56:31 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

    Hahahahaha: https://www.scirp.org/journal/apc.aspx?journalid=69

    Any crank with 1299$ to burn can publish in this predatory journal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing#:~:text=Scientific%20Research%20Publishing%20(SCIRP)%20is,to%20be%20of%20questionable%20quality.

    "Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) is a predatory[1][2] academic publisher of open-access electronic journals, conference proceedings, and scientific anthologies that are considered to be of questionable quality"

    "The company has been accused of using email spam to solicit papers for submission.[7] Although it has an address in southern California, according to Jeffrey Beall it is a Chinese operation.[7] In 2014 there was a mass resignation of the editorial
    board of one of the company's journals, Advances in Anthropology, with the outgoing editor-in-chief saying of the publisher "For them it was only about making money. We were simply their 'front'."[8]"

    It looks like you stepped in it once again, Richard... probably because you don't know what you don't know...
    SHOW SOME RESPECT, IMBECILE.

    Dr. Smulky (you have not that degree) is almost your age, but did TWICE OR THRICE times what you did in life.
    He would wipe the floor using your face, in a scientific contest.

    If you were SO SUCCESSFUL, why are you SO RESENTED? It doesn't add.



    Joseph Smulsky
    Institute of Earth's Cryosphere, Tyum SC of SB RAS, Tyumen, Russia.
    Doctor of physical-mathematical sciences, Professor in theoretical and applied mechanics
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph-Smulsky-2

    65 publications from 1984 to 2023. In the 80's and the '90s, Dr. Smulsky published only in Russian.


    Some of them:

    Grebenikov, E.A. and Smulsky, J.J. (2007) Evolution of the mars orbit on time span in hundred millions years/reports on applied mathematics. A. A. Dorodnicyn Com-puting Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~
    smulski/Papers/EvMa100m4t2.pdf

    Sun and displacement of Mercury perihelion/The fundamental and applied problems of the mechanics. Proceeding of the VI All-Russian Scientific Conference, devoted 130-th anniversary of Tomsk State University and 40-th anniversary NII of Applied
    Mathematics and the Mechanics of Tomsk State University, University Pub-lishing House, Tomsk. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/ModSun51c.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Gravitation, field and rotation of mercury perihelion. Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 15th Annual Conference 7-11 April 2008 at the University of New Mexiko, Albuquuerque, 5, 254-260. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/
    Papers/08Smulsky2c.pdf

    Melnikov, V.P. and Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Astronomical theory of ice ages: New approximations. Solutions and Challenges. Academic Publishing House “GEO”, Novosibirsk. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/AsThAnE.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (1999) The theory of interaction. Publishing house of Novosibirsk University, Scientific Publishing Center of United Institute of Geology and Geophysics Siberian Branch of Russian Academy of Sciences, Novosibirsk. (In Russian).

    Smulsky, J.J. (2004) The theory of interaction. Publishing House “Cultural Information Bank”, Ekaterinburg. (In English) http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/Fou nPhisics/TVANOT1.doc

    Smulsky, J.J. (1995) The trajectories at interaction of two bodies, which depend on relative distance and velocity. Mathematical Modeling, 7, 111-126. (In Russian). http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/Russian1/FounPhisics/TrV2tl.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 1−hyperbolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 23-28.

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 2−parabolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 47-51. http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/FounPhisics/NFT.pdf
    "Abstract Based on the gravitational field equations of general relativity, Einstein proposed a formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion in 1915. It is pointed out in this paper that there were four mistakes in Einstein's original
    paper. The first was the mistake of integral calculation discovered by Huadi in 2015. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 71.7” a century. The second was the mistake of the expansion coefficient of integral
    function. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 14.3” a century.The third was to treat the perihelion and aphelion of Mercury’s elliptical orbit as poles of integrand expansion, resulted in that the
    correction term of general relativity should be equal to zero. The fourth was Einstein’s assumption that the constant terms in the formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion was equal to those in the Newton’s formula of gravity.
    However, by precise calculations based on the Schwarzschild metric and the geodesic equation of Riemann geometric, this constant term must be equal to zero. The result means that general relativity can only describe the parabolic orbits (with minor
    corrections) of planets in the solar system. It can not describe the elliptical and hyperbolic orbits of celestial bodies. So Einstein did not prove that general relativity could explain the precession of Mercury's perihelion with the value of 43” a
    century. Since the fourth mistake was fatal, making the equations of planetary motion of general relativity untenable, Einstein's gravity theory of curved space-time does not hold." -"Four Mistakes in the Original Paper of Einstein in 1915 to Calculate
    the Precession of Mercury’s Perihelion" by Mei

    Perhaps it was Dr. Smulsky who did all the mathematical calculations for the recent Russian moon lander that failed miserably... that would explain a lot!

    My bullshit meter has been pegged into the red zone all day, I'm pretty sure that you have broken it, Crossen...

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Thu Sep 7 16:51:26 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:30:46 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:56:31 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

    Hahahahaha: https://www.scirp.org/journal/apc.aspx?journalid=69

    Any crank with 1299$ to burn can publish in this predatory journal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing#:~:text=Scientific%20Research%20Publishing%20(SCIRP)%20is,to%20be%20of%20questionable%20quality.

    "Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) is a predatory[1][2] academic publisher of open-access electronic journals, conference proceedings, and scientific anthologies that are considered to be of questionable quality"

    "The company has been accused of using email spam to solicit papers for submission.[7] Although it has an address in southern California, according to Jeffrey Beall it is a Chinese operation.[7] In 2014 there was a mass resignation of the editorial
    board of one of the company's journals, Advances in Anthropology, with the outgoing editor-in-chief saying of the publisher "For them it was only about making money. We were simply their 'front'."[8]"

    It looks like you stepped in it once again, Richard... probably because you don't know what you don't know...
    SHOW SOME RESPECT, IMBECILE.

    Dr. Smulky (you have not that degree) is almost your age, but did TWICE OR THRICE times what you did in life.
    He would wipe the floor using your face, in a scientific contest.

    If you were SO SUCCESSFUL, why are you SO RESENTED? It doesn't add.



    Joseph Smulsky
    Institute of Earth's Cryosphere, Tyum SC of SB RAS, Tyumen, Russia.
    Doctor of physical-mathematical sciences, Professor in theoretical and applied mechanics
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph-Smulsky-2

    65 publications from 1984 to 2023. In the 80's and the '90s, Dr. Smulsky published only in Russian.


    Some of them:

    Grebenikov, E.A. and Smulsky, J.J. (2007) Evolution of the mars orbit on time span in hundred millions years/reports on applied mathematics. A. A. Dorodnicyn Com-puting Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~
    smulski/Papers/EvMa100m4t2.pdf

    Sun and displacement of Mercury perihelion/The fundamental and applied problems of the mechanics. Proceeding of the VI All-Russian Scientific Conference, devoted 130-th anniversary of Tomsk State University and 40-th anniversary NII of Applied
    Mathematics and the Mechanics of Tomsk State University, University Pub-lishing House, Tomsk. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/ModSun51c.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Gravitation, field and rotation of mercury perihelion. Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 15th Annual Conference 7-11 April 2008 at the University of New Mexiko, Albuquuerque, 5, 254-260. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/
    Papers/08Smulsky2c.pdf

    Melnikov, V.P. and Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Astronomical theory of ice ages: New approximations. Solutions and Challenges. Academic Publishing House “GEO”, Novosibirsk. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/AsThAnE.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (1999) The theory of interaction. Publishing house of Novosibirsk University, Scientific Publishing Center of United Institute of Geology and Geophysics Siberian Branch of Russian Academy of Sciences, Novosibirsk. (In Russian).

    Smulsky, J.J. (2004) The theory of interaction. Publishing House “Cultural Information Bank”, Ekaterinburg. (In English) http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/Fou nPhisics/TVANOT1.doc

    Smulsky, J.J. (1995) The trajectories at interaction of two bodies, which depend on relative distance and velocity. Mathematical Modeling, 7, 111-126. (In Russian). http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/Russian1/FounPhisics/TrV2tl.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 1−hyperbolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 23-28.

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 2−parabolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 47-51. http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/FounPhisics/NFT.pdf
    "general relativity have not been rigorously calculated. Einstein directly assumed that the
    constant term in Eq.(1) was not equal to zero, and calculated the precession of Mercury's
    perihelion based on it.
    It is shown below that the constant term on the right-hand side of Eq.(1) should be equal
    to zero strictly according to general relativity and the geodesic equations of Riemannian
    geometry. Therefore, general relativity can only describe the parabolic orbital motion of
    celestial bodies (with minor correction), can not describe the elliptical and hyperbolic orbital
    motions, so it cannot be used to calculate the precession of Mercury's perihelion[3]. This was
    the most fatal error for general relativity, invalidating Einstein's gravity theory of curved
    space time." -ibid.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Thu Sep 7 16:54:26 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 4:20:20 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:06:31 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 7:30:46 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:56:31 PM UTC-7, Dono. wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

    Hahahahaha: https://www.scirp.org/journal/apc.aspx?journalid=69

    Any crank with 1299$ to burn can publish in this predatory journal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing#:~:text=Scientific%20Research%20Publishing%20(SCIRP)%20is,to%20be%20of%20questionable%20quality.

    "Scientific Research Publishing (SCIRP) is a predatory[1][2] academic publisher of open-access electronic journals, conference proceedings, and scientific anthologies that are considered to be of questionable quality"

    "The company has been accused of using email spam to solicit papers for submission.[7] Although it has an address in southern California, according to Jeffrey Beall it is a Chinese operation.[7] In 2014 there was a mass resignation of the
    editorial board of one of the company's journals, Advances in Anthropology, with the outgoing editor-in-chief saying of the publisher "For them it was only about making money. We were simply their 'front'."[8]"

    It looks like you stepped in it once again, Richard... probably because you don't know what you don't know...
    SHOW SOME RESPECT, IMBECILE.

    Dr. Smulky (you have not that degree) is almost your age, but did TWICE OR THRICE times what you did in life.
    He would wipe the floor using your face, in a scientific contest.

    If you were SO SUCCESSFUL, why are you SO RESENTED? It doesn't add.



    Joseph Smulsky
    Institute of Earth's Cryosphere, Tyum SC of SB RAS, Tyumen, Russia. Doctor of physical-mathematical sciences, Professor in theoretical and applied mechanics
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph-Smulsky-2

    65 publications from 1984 to 2023. In the 80's and the '90s, Dr. Smulsky published only in Russian.


    Some of them:

    Grebenikov, E.A. and Smulsky, J.J. (2007) Evolution of the mars orbit on time span in hundred millions years/reports on applied mathematics. A. A. Dorodnicyn Com-puting Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~
    smulski/Papers/EvMa100m4t2.pdf

    Sun and displacement of Mercury perihelion/The fundamental and applied problems of the mechanics. Proceeding of the VI All-Russian Scientific Conference, devoted 130-th anniversary of Tomsk State University and 40-th anniversary NII of Applied
    Mathematics and the Mechanics of Tomsk State University, University Pub-lishing House, Tomsk. (In Russian) http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/ModSun51c.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Gravitation, field and rotation of mercury perihelion. Proceedings of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 15th Annual Conference 7-11 April 2008 at the University of New Mexiko, Albuquuerque, 5, 254-260. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/
    Papers/08Smulsky2c.pdf

    Melnikov, V.P. and Smulsky, J.J. (2009) Astronomical theory of ice ages: New approximations. Solutions and Challenges. Academic Publishing House “GEO”, Novosibirsk. http://www.ikz.ru/~smulski/Papers/AsThAnE.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (1999) The theory of interaction. Publishing house of Novosibirsk University, Scientific Publishing Center of United Institute of Geology and Geophysics Siberian Branch of Russian Academy of Sciences, Novosibirsk. (In Russian).

    Smulsky, J.J. (2004) The theory of interaction. Publishing House “Cultural Information Bank”, Ekaterinburg. (In English) http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/Fou nPhisics/TVANOT1.doc

    Smulsky, J.J. (1995) The trajectories at interaction of two bodies, which depend on relative distance and velocity. Mathematical Modeling, 7, 111-126. (In Russian). http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/Russian1/FounPhisics/TrV2tl.pdf

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 1−hyperbolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 23-28.

    Smulsky, J.J. (2002) The new fundamental trajectories: Part 2−parabolic/elliptic trajectories. Galilcan Electrodynamics, 13, 47-51. http://www.smul1.newmail.ru/English1/FounPhisics/NFT.pdf
    "Abstract Based on the gravitational field equations of general relativity, Einstein proposed a formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion in 1915. It is pointed out in this paper that there were four mistakes in Einstein's
    original paper. The first was the mistake of integral calculation discovered by Huadi in 2015. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 71.7” a century. The second was the mistake of the expansion coefficient of
    integral function. If this mistake did not exist, the precession value of Mercury’s perihelion was 14.3” a century.The third was to treat the perihelion and aphelion of Mercury’s elliptical orbit as poles of integrand expansion, resulted in that
    the correction term of general relativity should be equal to zero. The fourth was Einstein’s assumption that the constant terms in the formula to calculate the precession of Mercury’s perihelion was equal to those in the Newton’s formula of gravity.
    However, by precise calculations based on the Schwarzschild metric and the geodesic equation of Riemann geometric, this constant term must be equal to zero. The result means that general relativity can only describe the parabolic orbits (with minor
    corrections) of planets in the solar system. It can not describe the elliptical and hyperbolic orbits of celestial bodies. So Einstein did not prove that general relativity could explain the precession of Mercury's perihelion with the value of 43” a
    century. Since the fourth mistake was fatal, making the equations of planetary motion of general relativity untenable, Einstein's gravity theory of curved space-time does not hold." -"Four Mistakes in the Original Paper of Einstein in 1915 to Calculate
    the Precession of Mercury’s Perihelion" by Mei
    Perhaps it was Dr. Smulsky who did all the mathematical calculations for the recent Russian moon lander that failed miserably... that would explain a lot!

    My bullshit meter has been pegged into the red zone all day, I'm pretty sure that you have broken it, Crossen...
    I know Russian science can be very bad ever since seeing the book "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain." Russian science can also be very good so you are guilty of over-generalizing. When it comes to logic you couldn't punch your way through a
    paper bag. Your just Paul the Heckler.

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