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  • Re: If time is relative, does that mean truth and morals are relative t

    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 05:27:48 2023
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 14:21:27 UTC+2, LEO_MMX wrote:

    Time is not relative. Neither TimeAI, nor UTimeC, nor zone times,
    none of the real times of the real world.
    Truth and morals? Absolutely.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 10:30:28 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    I have not much pondered this because obviously it does not, even though many argue that way. However, the concept of time dilation is highly illogical to the point of being irrational and is pseudoscientific hogwash. This doesn't help provide the best
    conditions for the development of ethics. A sound ethics requires sound science as a foundation.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to ned.marsen@gmail.com on Wed Sep 6 20:43:18 2023
    LEO_MMX <ned.marsen@gmail.com> wrote:

    Please discuss.

    Of course not!
    'Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland' are absolutes!
    And 'Blut und Boden' too!

    Hint: you are a bit late,

    Jan

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 15:38:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX

    No.

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    Jan

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 11:08:42 2023
    On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX

    No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the
    defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.

    Sylvia.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 18:24:12 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX

    If there is a movement toward or away from a frame in space
    light has to travel different new distances to
    meet the moving frame. That is a time appearance.
    But from gravity and motion there is a mathematical time slow
    that is more than just an appearance.
    Relativity is the equal and opposite appearance.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 21:01:21 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

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  • From Ross Finlayson@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Wed Sep 6 21:12:04 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:01:24 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

    It's usually called "truth", "right", and "good".

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  • From Ross Finlayson@21:1/5 to JanPB on Wed Sep 6 21:49:43 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:38:20 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    No.

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    Jan, Jan, Jan. And I thought it was always Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, ....

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  • From Ross Finlayson@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Wed Sep 6 23:04:53 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:12:07 PM UTC-7, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:01:24 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?
    It's usually called "truth", "right", and "good".



    Pretty much any assertion of truth is a stipulation of truth is conditional, "if it is true if it is true if it is true ...", sort of "infinite conditional" in front
    of what are abstractly "infinite quantifier", "for any here for any here for any here ...".

    Then absolute truth is usually enough a constant that correlates all the conditionals.

    Then, "all truth" is for some as simple as "a universe of the things".

    Then "truth as truth, right as ethics, good as morals", often is ascribed to a prototype
    of an ideal being called deity, or "G-d". Together that's "perfect", that "G-d is the perfect being".

    Then, just like being scientists or theorists, is to "attain" to, the truth. Then there's also allowed an objective study of what the theory is.

    Often enough the absolutes have their opposites, in various values and figures,
    but, there's a usual notion of one or the other.


    Of course studying the absolute and relative is as simple that they're opposites,
    usually enough after the objective and subjective.

    Then for example in physics that's often "point, local, global, or total",
    or magnitudes versus differences, these kinds of things.

    In mathematics for example there's potential and actual infinity,
    which either way in effect is infinity.

    Everybody has their own theory, not everybody that there is one.


    It's like Einstein says, "those kids are going to sit on a park bench and lose track of time",
    but that's just a relatively sensible metaphor in a world of physical absolutes,
    and providing something for people who know relatively more about park benches to relay the metaphor.

    Anyways it's not a zero-sum thing, neither two wrongs make a right nor a right and wrong
    make nothing. Now, often enough it's immaterial, three left turns makes a right turn,
    but "hope and a bottle of ketchup doesn't equal a hamburger. There's hope, though".

    There's a thought experiment in philosophy. You make a boat, then over time, replace all the pieces in the boat, until each piece is replaced. Is it the same boat?

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Thu Sep 7 11:10:15 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the
    defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.

    People get confused by *words* a lot.

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    Jan

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to JanPB on Thu Sep 7 15:42:45 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 06-Sept-23 10:21 pm, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    No of course not. It's an absurd suggestion. I have to wonder at the defect of the mind that could even lead to such a question.
    People get confused by *words* a lot.

    I have been using them since I was two.
    How can you disprove absolute over relative?


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    Jan

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Fri Sep 8 23:03:44 2023
    On 9/6/23 11:01 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    How can ethics, morals, or truth be absolute?

    Hmmm. In those regimes, "relative" and "absolute" have VERY DIFFERENT
    MEANINGS than they have in physics. Such PUNS are hopeless.

    Tom Roberts

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  • From patdolan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 22:11:33 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:21:27 AM UTC-7, LEO_MMX wrote:
    Please discuss.

    Cheers,
    LEO_MMX
    Of course it does! In a world where methodological materialism reigns supreme--where truth and morals are mere emergent qualities of matter--relativity absolutely annihilates any claim truth and morals have to any sort of fixedness. But don't take the
    author of the BBP's word for it. Instead, take the word of the greatest living philosopher at the time of Relativity: Henri Bergson, author of "Time and Free Will" and "Matter and Memory". The great Bergson who reigned over the early twentieth century
    as its undisputed intellectual monarch, personally saw to it that Relativity never received a Nobel.

    https://nautil.us/this-philosopher-helped-ensure-there-was-no-nobel-for-relativity-235898/#:~:text=Join-,This%20Philosopher%20Helped%20Ensure%20There%20Was%20No%20Nobel%20for%20Relativity,swayed%20the%201921%20Nobel%20committee.

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