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    From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 10:21:11 2023
    Software development is about creating informational schema
    extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    Science, on the other hand, is about - creating informational schema
    extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    And that's why rules like Occam's razor apply directly to
    both.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Sep 4 20:25:15 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    Software development is about creating informational schema
    extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    Science, on the other hand, is about - creating informational schema extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    And that's why rules like Occam's razor apply directly to
    both.
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature. http://flight-light-and-spin.com/simulator/relativity.htm

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Mon Sep 4 22:50:25 2023
    On Tuesday, 5 September 2023 at 05:25:17 UTC+2, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    Software development is about creating informational schema
    extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    Science, on the other hand, is about - creating informational schema extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    And that's why rules like Occam's razor apply directly to
    both.
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature. http://flight-light-and-spin.com/simulator/relativity.htm

    Oh, when I said that software is extending the hardware abilities -
    I only meant "usually". When the development starts from
    shouting that common sense is just a collection of prejudices
    it's rather not going to happen.

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Tue Sep 5 12:19:16 2023
    On 9/4/23 10:25 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its
    self-contradictory nature.

    Then he is an idiot. There are MANY computer libraries and programs that implement the equations and relationships of Special Relativity. Only a
    very poor software developer would attempt to re-implement them.

    Note there are no "self-contradictions" in the math underlying SR -- it
    has been proven to be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and
    also as is real analysis. Your misunderstandings and fantasies don't
    change this. You, personally, have demonstrated many times around here
    that you simply do not understand SR; the problems you mention are due
    to your personal misunderstandings, not in SR itself.

    Tom Roberts

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Tue Sep 5 11:04:59 2023
    On Tuesday, 5 September 2023 at 19:19:25 UTC+2, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:25 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature.
    Then he is an idiot. There are MANY computer libraries and programs that implement the equations and relationships of Special Relativity.

    You mean the Lorentz equations, made for his ether
    theory, don't you, trash?

    Note there are no "self-contradictions" in the math underlying SR -- it

    Note that "the math underlying SR" and "SR" are 2
    different entities. Well, your SR shit is very easy to
    prove inconsistent. Sorry.
    It's funny though how you're invoking the authority
    of Euclid's math after you've announced it false.

    .

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Tue Sep 5 12:50:22 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:25 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature.
    Then he is an idiot. There are MANY computer libraries and programs that implement the equations and relationships of Special Relativity. Only a
    very poor software developer would attempt to re-implement them.

    Note there are no "self-contradictions" in the math underlying SR -- it
    has been proven to be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and
    also as is real analysis. Your misunderstandings and fantasies don't
    change this. You, personally, have demonstrated many times around here
    that you simply do not understand SR; the problems you mention are due
    to your personal misunderstandings, not in SR itself.

    Tom Roberts
    The math of relativity is purely self-contradictory. In my opinion, you have demonstrated you don't understand it. If you understood it, you would know it is pure ignorant nonsense. Here is an example of when a third frame of reference is added: https://
    www.linkedin.com/pulse/clock-desynchronization-conflict-special-relativity-radwan-m-kassir/ "to me one of the greatest dangers of the age is the pathetic belief that mathematics cannot lie, for, if misunderstood, mathematics can be the arch.-deceiver."-
    Soddy, Nobel prize speech.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Sep 5 12:44:36 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:50:27 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Tuesday, 5 September 2023 at 05:25:17 UTC+2, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:21:14 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    Software development is about creating informational schema
    extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    Science, on the other hand, is about - creating informational schema extending the abilities of hardware they're upoaded to.

    And that's why rules like Occam's razor apply directly to
    both.
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature. http://flight-light-and-spin.com/simulator/relativity.htm
    Oh, when I said that software is extending the hardware abilities -
    I only meant "usually". When the development starts from
    shouting that common sense is just a collection of prejudices
    it's rather not going to happen.
    Thanks for the clarification.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Tue Sep 5 15:22:51 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:25 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature.
    Then he is an idiot. There are MANY computer libraries and programs that implement the equations and relationships of Special Relativity. Only a
    very poor software developer would attempt to re-implement them.

    Note there are no "self-contradictions" in the math underlying SR -- it
    has been proven to be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and
    also as is real analysis. Your misunderstandings and fantasies don't
    change this. You, personally, have demonstrated many times around here
    that you simply do not understand SR; the problems you mention are due
    to your personal misunderstandings, not in SR itself.

    Tom Roberts
    Bain's article with that problem is here: http://www.flight-light-and-spin.com/simulator/Sum-Theory.pdf He has published: CPT Invariance and the Spin-Statistics Connection Oxford U.P.

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Tue Sep 5 22:38:47 2023
    On 9/5/23 2:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    The math of relativity is purely self-contradictory.

    That is just plain not true. The math underlying SR has been proven to
    be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and as is real analysis.

    Your bare, unsupported claims are worthless.

    In my opinion, you have demonstrated you don't understand it.

    Nope. Your "opinion" is worthless, as YOU do not understand relativity.

    Tom Roberts

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Tom Roberts on Tue Sep 5 23:28:59 2023
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 05:38:55 UTC+2, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 9/5/23 2:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    The math of relativity is purely self-contradictory.
    That is just plain not true. The math underlying SR has been proven to
    be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and as is real analysis.

    Unfortunately, "the math underlying SR" and "SR" are 2
    different entities. Well, your SR shit is very easy to
    prove inconsistent. Sorry.
    It's funny though how you're invoking the authority
    of Euclid's math after you've announced it false.

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Wed Sep 6 00:02:17 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 12:50:24 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:25 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    Jonathan Bain is a software developer who tried to create a special relativity software and found it was impossible due to its self-contradictory nature.
    Then he is an idiot. There are MANY computer libraries and programs that implement the equations and relationships of Special Relativity. Only a very poor software developer would attempt to re-implement them.

    Note there are no "self-contradictions" in the math underlying SR -- it has been proven to be as self-consistent as is Euclidean geometry, and also as is real analysis. Your misunderstandings and fantasies don't change this. You, personally, have demonstrated many times around here that you simply do not understand SR; the problems you mention are due
    to your personal misunderstandings, not in SR itself.

    Tom Roberts
    The math of relativity is purely self-contradictory.

    No. As Tom said, its consistency is equivalent to that of Euclidean
    geometry (meaning, either both are consistent or both are inconsistent).

    In my opinion, you have demonstrated you don't understand it.

    It's not a matter of opinion, it's a theorem.

    --
    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to JanPB on Wed Sep 6 00:43:16 2023
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 09:02:19 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:

    The math of relativity is purely self-contradictory.
    No. As Tom said, its consistency is equivalent to that of Euclidean
    geometry (meaning, either both are consistent or both are inconsistent).
    In my opinion, you have demonstrated you don't understand it.
    It's not a matter of opinion, it's a theorem.

    Well, "in any right triangle a^2+b^2=c^2" is also a matter
    of theorem - and your idiot guru has still announced it false.

    Not that "the math underlying SR" has any significance,
    of course. The career of The Shit is not about new,
    brilliant math, it's about wild claims of time, clocks
    and observers.

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