• The Flaws of General Relativity. A .gov site AGAINST GR

    From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 15:50:24 2023
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the structure
    and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-energy
    processes and transitions in the early Universe. Science goals of CMB research.

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical
    interpretation of gravity as curvature of space-time***.

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be gauge
    theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity have
    failed. This indicates again that **** general relativity can hardly be an absolutely correct theory of gravitation****.

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would become
    infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 17:19:54 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the structure
    and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-energy
    processes and transitions in the early Universe. Science goals of CMB research.

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical
    interpretation of gravity as curvature of space-time***.

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be gauge
    theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity have
    failed. This indicates again that **** general relativity can hardly be an absolutely correct theory of gravitation****.

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would
    become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022


    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

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  • From patdolan@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 17:37:28 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-
    energy processes and transitions in the early Universe. Science goals of CMB research.

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical
    interpretation of gravity as curvature of space-time***.

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be gauge
    theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity have
    failed. This indicates again that **** general relativity can hardly be an absolutely correct theory of gravitation****.

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would
    become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.
    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the 2024
    Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 20:02:14 2023
    On 8/22/23 5:50 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html [...]

    You display your personal ignorance in everything you write.

    That website is not "against GR", it is describing various aspects of
    GR. Yes, some of them are surprising (predicting singularities), and
    some can be seen as drawbacks (no energy-momentum tensor for
    gravitation, inconsistency with quantum field theory).

    (I don't know why they chose the URL, which seems retrograde at best.)

    Tom Roberts

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 18:03:18 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:50:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the structure
    and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-energy
    processes and transitions in the early Universe. Science goals of CMB research.

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical
    interpretation of gravity as curvature of space-time***.

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be gauge
    theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity have
    failed. This indicates again that **** general relativity can hardly be an absolutely correct theory of gravitation****.

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would
    become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022

    It's just the same thing as any other theory in physics that got superseded by later
    developments, like Newton's, Maxwell's, etc. Likewise, physicists have known for
    decades that GR must be superseded by something that involves quantum mechanics.

    Why is this such a revelation for you?

    --
    Jan

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  • From patdolan@21:1/5 to Volney on Tue Aug 22 19:01:03 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.
    Newton fails at the n-body problem when n>2. So what?

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Volney on Tue Aug 22 19:08:14 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:49:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.

    No, ignorant.

    Using a 200 years Gauss's theory of Torus Gravity, galaxies can be modeled by using concentric ellipsoid rings of matter,
    which rotate at a differentially coupled angular velocity. State-of-the-art theory by these days.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 21:49:07 2023
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.

    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to patdolan on Tue Aug 22 22:27:39 2023
    On 8/22/2023 10:01 PM, patdolan wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.

    Newton fails at the n-body problem when n>2. So what?

    Newton does not fail for the n body problem. It works fine. The n body
    problem is simply not solvable as a closed form and often is chaotic.

    And even if we call the inability to derive a closed form solution as a failure, why would it be OK for Newtonian gravity to fail but GR failure
    proves it's wrong? Talk about Double Standards!

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 22:28:36 2023
    On 8/22/2023 10:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:49:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.

    No, ignorant.

    Using a 200 years Gauss's theory of Torus Gravity, galaxies can be modeled by using concentric ellipsoid rings of matter,
    which rotate at a differentially coupled angular velocity.

    And it still fails to explain galactic rotation curves.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Tue Aug 22 20:14:06 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-
    energy processes and transitions in the early Universe. Science goals of CMB research.

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical
    interpretation of gravity as curvature of space-time***.

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be gauge
    theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity have
    failed. This indicates again that **** general relativity can hardly be an absolutely correct theory of gravitation****.

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would
    become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.
    Neither. The obvious answer is there must be far more mass in the stars. They may have to revise their ideas of the evolution of stars.

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  • From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to Volney on Tue Aug 22 20:15:29 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.
    Not if there is ten times the mass in stars that they think.

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  • From Richard Hertz@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Tue Aug 22 21:15:26 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:15:32 AM UTC-3, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.
    Not if there is ten times the mass in stars that they think.


    E = mc^2, baby. It's FALSE!

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Wed Aug 23 01:02:42 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:15:30 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:15:32 AM UTC-3, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:49:11 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.
    Not if there is ten times the mass in stars that they think.
    E = mc^2, baby. It's FALSE!

    You need to work a little harder at that.

    --
    Jan

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  • From JanPB@21:1/5 to Richard Hertz on Wed Aug 23 00:59:56 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:08:16 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 10:49:11 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
    On 8/22/2023 8:19 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies.
    Newtonian gravity fails to explain galactic rotation curves as well.
    No, ignorant.

    Using a 200 years Gauss's theory of Torus Gravity, galaxies can be modeled by using concentric ellipsoid rings of matter,
    which rotate at a differentially coupled angular velocity. State-of-the-art theory by these days.

    Gobbledygook.

    --
    Jan

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to patdolan on Wed Aug 23 10:44:15 2023
    patdolan wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-energ

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely unsatisfactory,
    because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely geometrical

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be
    gauge theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity h

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density would
    become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the 2024
    Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

    Laureate A. Reiss is Jewish, dat doesn't count. They give out Nobels to their people like free candy. They are all fraudalent Nobels.


    https://www.science.co.il/nobel-prizes/Physics.php

    "Did you see dat? "What?", 'It's a gravitional wave!", "Look!", "Oh!" Give those two schmucks a Nobel prize!!!

    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Wed Aug 23 21:30:41 2023
    The Starmaker wrote:

    patdolan wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-ene

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely
    unsatisfactory, because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely
    geometric

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be
    gauge theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density
    would become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the 2024
    Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

    Laureate A. Reiss is Jewish, dat doesn't count. They give out Nobels to their people like free candy. They are all fraudalent Nobels.

    https://www.science.co.il/nobel-prizes/Physics.php

    "Did you see dat? "What?", 'It's a gravitional wave!", "Look!", "Oh!" Give those two schmucks a Nobel prize!!!

    How come Albert Einstein didn't get a Nobel Prize for taking the two
    words space and time and putting together to read "spacetime"????


    Today, you can get a Nobel Prize just by thinking of a word....


    dark matter, dark energy...no matter nobody knows what it is..you still
    get a Nobel prize just saying the words. (and they throw in another
    schmuck in to fill the garbage with.
    (clutter up the population of Nobel Prizes with their own kind of
    people)

    'you wanna piece of dis?'


    And you people put up with it.

    cowards.






    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to starmaker@ix.netcom.com on Wed Aug 23 23:30:59 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 21:30:41 -0700, The Starmaker
    <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    patdolan wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: >> > > > https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-ene

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely
    unsatisfactory, because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely
    geometric

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in theoretical
    astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be
    gauge theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density
    would become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the 2024
    Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

    Laureate A. Reiss is Jewish, dat doesn't count. They give out Nobels to their people like free candy. They are all fraudalent Nobels.

    https://www.science.co.il/nobel-prizes/Physics.php

    "Did you see dat? "What?", 'It's a gravitional wave!", "Look!", "Oh!" Give those two schmucks a Nobel prize!!!

    How come Albert Einstein didn't get a Nobel Prize for taking the two
    words space and time and putting together to read "spacetime"????


    Today, you can get a Nobel Prize just by thinking of a word....


    dark matter, dark energy...no matter nobody knows what it is..you still
    get a Nobel prize just saying the words. (and they throw in another
    schmuck in to fill the garbage with.
    (clutter up the population of Nobel Prizes with their own kind of
    people)

    'you wanna piece of dis?'


    And you people put up with it.

    cowards.


    but get this...

    they 'stuff' the nobel prize population
    with 'their own' kind
    (to keep themselves on top of the totem pole)

    and then..

    and they...

    they got the nerve to Ask

    "Why was there a genocide of their 6 million people?"


    the answer is very simple..

    'They Asked For It.'


    when you place yourselves
    above a totem pole among
    everyone else..
    and call yourselves 'the chosen ones'

    you place a target on your selves, and
    everyone will shoot you down.

    you asked for it.


    Yes, again.

    It's God's will.


    And
    people
    only
    do
    the
    will
    of
    God.


    Yes, God chose them but not for that which they claim...

    The *very* first time God spoke about the Jewish people in the bible
    is in this statement:


    2 Kings 16:6
    At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave
    the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there
    unto this day.


    So, as you can see...The Jewish people were "driven" from land the
    very first
    time mentioned about them in History.

    They have been getting their ass kicked from the very *beginning* of
    time. And it's been that
    way ever since. Nothing has changed. It is their History, their
    Present and their Future.

    That's it, that's just the way it is.


    Nature at it's best.




    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
    the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu Aug 24 10:34:16 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:30:24 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 21:30:41 -0700, The Starmaker
    <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    patdolan wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: >> > > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-ene

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely
    unsatisfactory, because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely
    geometric

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in
    theoretical astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be
    gauge theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativity

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density
    would become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the 2024
    Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

    Laureate A. Reiss is Jewish, dat doesn't count. They give out Nobels to their people like free candy. They are all fraudalent Nobels.

    https://www.science.co.il/nobel-prizes/Physics.php

    "Did you see dat? "What?", 'It's a gravitional wave!", "Look!", "Oh!" Give those two schmucks a Nobel prize!!!

    How come Albert Einstein didn't get a Nobel Prize for taking the two
    words space and time and putting together to read "spacetime"????


    Today, you can get a Nobel Prize just by thinking of a word....


    dark matter, dark energy...no matter nobody knows what it is..you still >get a Nobel prize just saying the words. (and they throw in another >schmuck in to fill the garbage with.
    (clutter up the population of Nobel Prizes with their own kind of
    people)

    'you wanna piece of dis?'


    And you people put up with it.

    cowards.
    but get this...

    they 'stuff' the nobel prize population
    with 'their own' kind
    (to keep themselves on top of the totem pole)

    and then..

    and they...

    they got the nerve to Ask

    "Why was there a genocide of their 6 million people?"


    the answer is very simple..

    'They Asked For It.'


    when you place yourselves
    above a totem pole among
    everyone else..
    and call yourselves 'the chosen ones'

    you place a target on your selves, and
    everyone will shoot you down.

    you asked for it.


    Yes, again.

    It's God's will.


    And
    people
    only
    do
    the
    will
    of
    God.


    Yes, God chose them but not for that which they claim...

    The *very* first time God spoke about the Jewish people in the bible
    is in this statement:


    2 Kings 16:6
    At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave
    the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there
    unto this day.


    So, as you can see...The Jewish people were "driven" from land the
    very first
    time mentioned about them in History.

    They have been getting their ass kicked from the very *beginning* of
    time. And it's been that
    way ever since. Nothing has changed. It is their History, their
    Present and their Future.

    That's it, that's just the way it is.


    Nature at it's best.
    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
    the unchallengeable.

    Where is the energy that expands the closed universe?
    No. That is for the hypersphere.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Fri Aug 25 12:03:01 2023
    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    patdolan wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 5:19:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:50:28 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
    https://aether.lbl.gov/about.html

    The Smoot Group conducts exciting research in the area of cosmology and astrophysics that typically has a link to fundamental physical principles. For many years, the group has used the Cosmic Background Radiation as a tool to understand the
    structure and history of the Universe and its relation to the structure of space-time. Likewise, gravitational lensing, the search for evidence of cosmic strings, and the cosmic infrared background tell us about the structure of space-time and high-e

    Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, 1 Cyclotron Road, Astrophysics Group, MS 50-5005, Berkeley, CA 94720


    https://aether.lbl.gov/www/classes/p139/speed/fgr.html

    1. General Relativity Does Not Respect Local Energy-Momentum
    There are serious problems with local energy-momentum conservation in general relativity (see [1] for a review). Einstein's theory does not assign a definite stress-energy tensor to the gravitational field. This property is extremely
    unsatisfactory, because one knows that all other fundamental interactions in nature actually do respect the principle of local conservation of energy-momentum. Essentially, the nonexistence of a stress-energy tensor is a consequence of the *** purely
    geometr

    2. General Relativity Predicts Space-Time Singularities
    Space-time singularities and event horizons are a consequence of general relativity, appearing in the solutions of the gravitational field. Although the "big bang" singularity and "black holes" have been a topic of intensive study in
    theoretical astrophysics, **** one can seriously doubt that such mathematical monsters should really represent physical objects****.
    In fact, in order to predict black holes one has to extrapolate the theory of general relativity ***far beyond observationally known gravity strengths***.

    3. General Relativity Failed to Be Quantized
    It is generally accepted that the field theories of electromagnetism or gravitation are but an approximation, the "classical limit", of more fundamental underlying quantum field theories. It is also assumed that interaction theories have to be
    gauge theories. The possibility of formulating gravity as quantum field theory is essential in the context of the unification of all fundamental interactions. However, all attempts to find a consistent quantum gauge field theory of general relativi

    MORE:

    And experts have long suspected that general relativity can't be right in realms of extremely high mass density. At the center of a black hole, for instance, the theory's equations no longer make sense, because they imply that matter density
    would become infinite.9 ene 2020

    Einstein was attempting to subvert the scientific method, pushing a theory without first properly testing it.6 feb 2022
    One famous example of potential failure of GR are rotation curves of galaxies. However, it could also be explained by additional mass (dark matter), so it's not clear yet how this will be resolved.

    I've seen people screaming at each other at conferences about whether dark-matter is true or law of gravity needs to be adjusted.

    2011 Nobel Laureate A. Reiss is an online friend of a friend. Reiss won his 1/3 of the Nobel for dark matter's negative gravity. I will have my friend send him the BBP with instructions to send it to Stockholm along with my nomination for the
    2024 Nobel. What are my chances Dono?

    Laureate A. Reiss is Jewish, dat doesn't count. They give out Nobels to their people like free candy. They are all fraudalent Nobels.

    https://www.science.co.il/nobel-prizes/Physics.php

    "Did you see dat? "What?", 'It's a gravitional wave!", "Look!", "Oh!" Give those two schmucks a Nobel prize!!!

    How come Albert Einstein didn't get a Nobel Prize for taking the two
    words space and time and putting together to read "spacetime"????

    Today, you can get a Nobel Prize just by thinking of a word....

    dark matter, dark energy...no matter nobody knows what it is..you still
    get a Nobel prize just saying the words. (and they throw in another
    schmuck in to fill the garbage with.
    (clutter up the population of Nobel Prizes with their own kind of
    people)

    'you wanna piece of dis?'

    Like for example...dark matter -- unobserved and undiscovered. Should
    someone get a Nobel Prize for it????

    (just in case someone in the future observes it and discovers it, the
    nobel prize gangsters will claim a nobel prize was already given ot it,
    you're too late.)
    (if you protest, the gangsters will weaponize their religion on you)

    The people running the Nobel Prize are religious gansters.



    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)