So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general relativityof atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.
On 5/4/2023 3:45 PM, Jack Liu wrote:relativity of atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?Bzzzzt. Apples and oranges. The source of gravitation (also known as "earth") is *PART* of the pendulum clock system. It won't keep correct
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
time in a gravitational field of different strength. It won't work at
all aboard the ISS. Meanwhile, an atomic clock will continue to work properly (one second per second, locally) regardless of whether it's on Earth, the moon or on the ISS.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general
Nope. Pendulum clocks are "incomplete" without Earth or another source
of gravity. They need to be calibrated to that gravity. Not so atomic clocks.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.There is just one theory which is correct within measurement limitations.
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:relativity of atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
On 5/4/2023 3:45 PM, Jack Liu wrote:
So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?Bzzzzt. Apples and oranges. The source of gravitation (also known as
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
"earth") is *PART* of the pendulum clock system. It won't keep correct
time in a gravitational field of different strength. It won't work at
all aboard the ISS. Meanwhile, an atomic clock will continue to work
properly (one second per second, locally) regardless of whether it's on
Earth, the moon or on the ISS.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general
Nope. Pendulum clocks are "incomplete" without Earth or another source
of gravity. They need to be calibrated to that gravity. Not so atomic
clocks.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.There is just one theory which is correct within measurement limitations.
Do you just know pendulum clocks and atomic clock？
How about different sort of atomic clock?
How about proton clocks, plasma clocks, and even quark clocks?
On 5/4/2023 11:17 PM, Jack Liu wrote:relativity of atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
On 5/4/2023 3:45 PM, Jack Liu wrote:
So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?Bzzzzt. Apples and oranges. The source of gravitation (also known as
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
"earth") is *PART* of the pendulum clock system. It won't keep correct
time in a gravitational field of different strength. It won't work at
all aboard the ISS. Meanwhile, an atomic clock will continue to work
properly (one second per second, locally) regardless of whether it's on >> Earth, the moon or on the ISS.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general
Nope. Pendulum clocks are "incomplete" without Earth or another source
of gravity. They need to be calibrated to that gravity. Not so atomic
clocks.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.There is just one theory which is correct within measurement limitations.
Do you just know pendulum clocks and atomic clock？There are obviously many kinds of clocks.
I was pointing out the flaw in your argument, since a pendulum clock is technically incomplete without the earth or some gravitational mass
which acts on the pendulum, while an atomic clock works anywhere. You
tried to conflate the effect of different strengths of gravity on the
rate of a pendulum clock with GR time dilation, which is bogus. Changing
the crystal in a crystal controlled watch can change its tick rate, but
that doesn't prove anything.
How about different sort of atomic clock?Yes, they typically use different resonant frequencies of different elements, but they are complete and will still tick one second per
second regardless of gravity. Meanwhile if you go to walmart and buy a pendulum cuckoo clock, you don't get the complete clock, but that's not
a problem since you already have earth's gravity at home.
How about proton clocks, plasma clocks, and even quark clocks?Sounds all made-up/imaginary. In your science fiction story, you can
have them do whatever you want.
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:00:30 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:relativity of atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
On 5/4/2023 11:17 PM, Jack Liu wrote:
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
On 5/4/2023 3:45 PM, Jack Liu wrote:
So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?Bzzzzt. Apples and oranges. The source of gravitation (also known as
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
"earth") is *PART* of the pendulum clock system. It won't keep correct >>>> time in a gravitational field of different strength. It won't work at
all aboard the ISS. Meanwhile, an atomic clock will continue to work
properly (one second per second, locally) regardless of whether it's on >>>> Earth, the moon or on the ISS.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general
There are obviously many kinds of clocks.Nope. Pendulum clocks are "incomplete" without Earth or another source >>>> of gravity. They need to be calibrated to that gravity. Not so atomic
clocks.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.There is just one theory which is correct within measurement limitations. >>>
Do you just know pendulum clocks and atomic clock？
I was pointing out the flaw in your argument, since a pendulum clock is
technically incomplete without the earth or some gravitational mass
which acts on the pendulum, while an atomic clock works anywhere. You
tried to conflate the effect of different strengths of gravity on the
rate of a pendulum clock with GR time dilation, which is bogus. Changing
the crystal in a crystal controlled watch can change its tick rate, but
that doesn't prove anything.
How about different sort of atomic clock?Yes, they typically use different resonant frequencies of different
elements, but they are complete and will still tick one second per
second regardless of gravity. Meanwhile if you go to walmart and buy a
pendulum cuckoo clock, you don't get the complete clock, but that's not
a problem since you already have earth's gravity at home.
How about proton clocks, plasma clocks, and even quark clocks?Sounds all made-up/imaginary. In your science fiction story, you can
have them do whatever you want.
My point is:
since gravitation causes plasm clock faster and causes atomic clock slower, GR can not claims gravitation time dilation.
On 5/4/2023 11:17 PM, Jack Liu wrote:relativity of atomic clocks; of gravitational time effects, one causes time dilation and the other causes time contraction.
On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:51:07 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
On 5/4/2023 3:45 PM, Jack Liu wrote:
So, the greater the gravitation, the slower the time, as the general relativity announced ?Bzzzzt. Apples and oranges. The source of gravitation (also known as
The greater the gravitation, the faster the pendulum clock moves, while the atomic clock moves slower.
"earth") is *PART* of the pendulum clock system. It won't keep correct
time in a gravitational field of different strength. It won't work at
all aboard the ISS. Meanwhile, an atomic clock will continue to work
properly (one second per second, locally) regardless of whether it's on
Earth, the moon or on the ISS.
Since two types of equal clocks lead to contradictory conclusions, then you have to accept two contradictory systems of relativity theory, corresponding to different types of clocks: the general relativity of pendulum clocks and the general
Nope. Pendulum clocks are "incomplete" without Earth or another source
of gravity. They need to be calibrated to that gravity. Not so atomic
clocks.
Both sets of theories are equally correct.There is just one theory which is correct within measurement limitations.
Do you just know pendulum clocks and atomic clock？
There are obviously many kinds of clocks.
I was pointing out the flaw in your argument, since a pendulum clock is technically incomplete without the earth or some gravitational mass
which acts on the pendulum, while an atomic clock works anywhere. You
tried to conflate the effect of different strengths of gravity on the
rate of a pendulum clock with GR time dilation, which is bogus. Changing
the crystal in a crystal controlled watch can change its tick rate, but
that doesn't prove anything.
How about different sort of atomic clock?
Yes, they typically use different resonant frequencies of different
elements, but they are complete and will still tick one second per
second regardless of gravity. Meanwhile if you go to walmart and buy a pendulum cuckoo clock, you don't get the complete clock, but that's not
a problem since you already have earth's gravity at home.
How about proton clocks, plasma clocks, and even quark clocks?
Sounds all made-up/imaginary. In your science fiction story, you can
have them do whatever you want.
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