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  • Re: Dolan's Critique of Pure Relativity

    From Laurence Clark Crossen@21:1/5 to patdolan on Thu Sep 28 21:10:38 2023
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:58:24 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
    It is now evident that many of the denizens of this forum are experiencing great difficulty grasping the complementary concepts of v and v' as applied to the Lorentz transforms. I refer to the fumbling, flummoxed and flounder rotchm and Stan/Townes as
    excellent examples of this difficulty.

    The absolute reciprocity of the velocity value between two observers in motion wrt each other appears to be a dictum ingrained in many of your minds from which you are unable to free yourselves. You are not alone. Einstein hizself was unable to do it.
    He didn't even realize that he had introduced an overlooked and undetected third postulate into the LTs ( or did he? ) by his obliterating all references to v' whilst keeping x' an t'. The result of Einstein's oversight was to replace absolute time and
    space with absolute velocity.

    The reader is urged to try a simple mental exercise before continuing with the critique. The exercise will help the reader to open his/her mind to the concept of total and pure relativity. This is the exercise: consider two observers in motion wrt each
    other but who disagree about the velocity with which they are approaching each other.

    Contemplate this for one hour as a prolegomena to any future theory of relativity.
    Footnote: A 2016 source not given in 2022 by Baird: "Einstein’s third postulate" W. Engelhardt

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers

    Critical Comments on the Paper “On the Logical
    Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity”
    Vladimir A. Leus

    Reply to “Critical Comments on the Paper ‘On
    the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory
    of Relativity’”
    Stephen J. Crothers

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  • From patdolan@21:1/5 to patdolan on Thu Sep 28 22:02:07 2023
    On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:58:24 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
    It is now evident that many of the denizens of this forum are experiencing great difficulty grasping the complementary concepts of v and v' as applied to the Lorentz transforms. I refer to the fumbling, flummoxed and flounder rotchm and Stan/Townes as
    excellent examples of this difficulty.

    The absolute reciprocity of the velocity value between two observers in motion wrt each other appears to be a dictum ingrained in many of your minds from which you are unable to free yourselves. You are not alone. Einstein hizself was unable to do it.
    He didn't even realize that he had introduced an overlooked and undetected third postulate into the LTs ( or did he? ) by his obliterating all references to v' whilst keeping x' an t'. The result of Einstein's oversight was to replace absolute time and
    space with absolute velocity.

    The reader is urged to try a simple mental exercise before continuing with the critique. The exercise will help the reader to open his/her mind to the concept of total and pure relativity. This is the exercise: consider two observers in motion wrt each
    other but who disagree about the velocity with which they are approaching each other.

    Contemplate this for one hour as a prolegomena to any future theory of relativity.
    Thank you Laurence for dredging this up from a year ago. Damn, I was a good writer back then. But I take the liberty of amending one sentence:

    "The result of Einstein's oversight was in effect to replace absolute time and space with absolute *relativie* velocity."

    There is no a priori reason for doing this. It's a choice on Einstein's part. And a bad choice. Just as it was Cardano's bad choice to make the square of a negative number, a positive number. Both lead to inconsistency. Right Logo Pytho?

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Laurence Clark Crossen on Thu Sep 28 21:56:21 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Surely you are joking!

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Thu Sep 28 22:25:13 2023
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't
    even consistent.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Sep 28 22:39:51 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.

    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Thu Sep 28 23:03:38 2023
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 07:39:53 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.
    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

    Al, I've demonstrated it clearly. Your spitting is
    not changing that. But, of course, that's what you
    can do and that's what your religion has
    trained you for.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Thu Sep 28 23:06:13 2023
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 07:39:53 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.
    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

    Al, I've demonstrated it clearly. Your spitting is
    not changing that. But, of course, that's what you
    can do and that's what your religion has
    trained you for.

    Woz, all you have ever demonstrated here is your ignorance of physics... but you have excelled at doing that!

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Thu Sep 28 23:14:54 2023
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 08:06:16 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 07:39:53 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.
    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

    Al, I've demonstrated it clearly. Your spitting is
    not changing that. But, of course, that's what you
    can do and that's what your religion has
    trained you for.
    Woz, all you have ever demonstrated here is your ignorance of physics... but you have excelled at doing that!

    I've demonstrated clearly 2 denying each other claims
    derivable in the physics of your idiot guru. Your spitting is
    not changing that. But, of course, that's what you
    can do and that's what your religion has trained you for.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Fri Sep 29 02:25:48 2023
    On 9/29/2023 2:03 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 07:39:53 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.

    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

    Al, I've demonstrated it clearly.

    That you take out your halfbrain and play with it? I agree!

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to Volney on Thu Sep 28 23:55:59 2023
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 08:25:53 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
    On 9/29/2023 2:03 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 07:39:53 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
    On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 06:56:24 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of
    Relativity
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Al, poor halfbrain, the mumble of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.

    Woz, if you had a brain you would undoubtedly take it out and play with it...

    Al, I've demonstrated it clearly.
    That you take out your halfbrain and play with it? I agree!

    That the mumble of your idiot guru was not even
    consistent. Your spitting is not changing that either.
    But, of course, that's what you can do and that's
    what your religion has trained you for.

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Sun Oct 1 16:30:42 2023
    On 2023-09-29 04:56:21 +0000, Paul Alsing said:

    On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 9:10:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark
    Crossen wrote:

    On the Logical Inconsistency of the Special Theory of> Relativity>
    Stephen John Crothers
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Crothers

    “I'm neither a mathematician nor a physicist. More accurately, I'm a gardener and home handyman who does science in his spare time."

    So, do you actually think that a self-proclaimed "gardener and home
    handyman" can bring down Einstein? Really?

    Surely you are joking!

    I fear not. I think he is absolutely serious.


    --
    Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
    in England until 1987.

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