• AP's 260th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting

    From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 10 00:21:10 2023
    Turning these ideas into AP's 260th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

    Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.

    With the recent flare-up of war in last week where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all the right to vote in
    the next Israeli election.

    If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there be no war now.

    When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.

    What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
    It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land
    grabbing stealing.

    As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.

    AP

    AP's 260th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 10 09:16:28 2023
    The Logic is quite simple.

    If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
    then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
    Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
    All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

    I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

    What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

    Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for
    it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

    Prime Ministers elected without the 4.8million Palestinian input, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out to foreign lands.

    Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

    The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possible other elections also. Try voting out of this
    bloodshed and violence.

    I write this as a War was begun by Hamas and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

    If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while
    Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has
    dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence.

    Sadly , the USA has been a awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them-- give them the dignity of Voting, and have
    them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

    As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

    I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion in aid
    while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to Archimedes Plutonium on Tue Oct 10 14:28:42 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
    The Logic is quite simple.

    If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
    then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
    Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
    All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

    I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

    What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

    Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy""
    for it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

    Prime Ministers elected without the 4.8million Palestinian input, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out to foreign lands.

    Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

    The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possible other elections also. Try voting out of
    this bloodshed and violence.

    I write this as a War was begun by Hamas and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

    If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while
    Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has
    dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence.

    Sadly , the USA has been a awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them-- give them the dignity of Voting, and
    have them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

    As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

    I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion in
    aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24.



    So, here we have a odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA, over 6 times more aid to Israel.
    For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 6 times more effectively???

    So no wonder the House raucus caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucus"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 124 billion to Israel and only 24 billion
    to Ukraine fighting for its life.

    No wonder my hero Mitt Romney is leaving the Congress, probably because few in Congress make any sense, let alone common-sense. It was Mitt, afterall who warned us of the impending danger of Russia, but no-one listened much.

    So, well, please elect Mr. Scalise as next Speaker, he has a record of having common sense, and he has a degree in computer science-- at least some science background to be able to know fact from fiction-- far above those with no science training. Do not
    elect Jim Jordan, for every time Jim opens his mouth, he is on the wrong side of any issue. Jim is more of a wrestler than a clear thinker of politics, in fact, I bet he should be carefully diagnosed for a lasting brain concussion in his wrestling bouts,
    as the cause of him being invariably on the wrong side of every issue that confronts the nation. And even though Donald Trump was not a wrestler, him and Mr. Jordan probably have the same brain concussions, when properly diagnosed-- I so wish that Doc
    Martin was a true doctor and practicing in Washington D.C. "Next patient--- come through-- Doc-- what seems to be the matter?? Jim Jordan-- I want to be Speaker but have this agonizing headaches--- "Yes, yes, sit on the bench and roll up your sleeves."


    Yes, well, I wish it were Jim Jordan that was retiring, not Mitt Romney. And, is it possible that a senator such as Mitt Romney can run for Speaker of the House job?? If so, please, Mitt Romney run for the Speaker of the House, you would be fantasic and
    help straighten out the House which is long overdue for a straightening.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 10 22:58:34 2023
    On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.

    Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.

    It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that,
    no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.

    The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.

    What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.

    Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to
    Israel for rest, relaxation and safety.

    It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.

    Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a path of safety, security and peace.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 20:36:32 2023
    Mr. Mustafa Barghouti of the Palestinian National Initiative was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state
    solution but to push out all Palestinians, either kill them or push them out. Speaking of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.

    I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different
    than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.

    If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely
    no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.

    Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukranians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.

    I am apalled that USA gives Israel 125 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 125 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as
    they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 15:49:43 2023
    Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there
    would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.

    Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for
    your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.

    Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal, while Israel does a slow steal. Both are doing genocide of people.

    Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.

    Vote, vote, vote, is the answer

    Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 19:35:30 2023
    So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.

    The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she
    would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So
    there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.

    There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.

    It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.

    Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.

    I question the aid to Israel of 125 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 125 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?

    Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.

    Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until
    and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.

    At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.

    Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all
    Palestinians.

    The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.

    AP

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 22:09:29 2023
    Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.

    --- quoting BBC ---
    Where is Wadi Gaza?
    As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.

    The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.

    This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.

    --- end quoting BBC ---

    AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of
    more Palestinian land for new settlements.

    Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bu
  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 13:06:28 2023
    Bibi Netanyahu a brilliant genius building Settlements, so he can house and furnish living quarters to all the people of Gaza ordered south-- while Bibi's war cabinet infiltrate and close the underground tunnels of Hamas.

    Bibi, can they live in those illegal settlements permanently for it is their land afterall, in the first place.

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 13:24:46 2023
    There needs to be a chapter in this book, where in modern times, it is a complete Anachronism for a country of people, looking back in history at its former borders and then seek to remove people in those lands, just to restore its long past borders.

    The perfect example is Israel seeking Ancient Israel and shoving out Palestinians 1940s- present.

    Another example is Russia seeking Ukraine and shoving out Ukrainians 2014- present.

    Another example is China seeking Uyghurs land and shoving out Uyghurs.

    Modern history can no longer stomach governments with agenda-programs of genocide and stealing their lands.

    One of the best aspects of Democracy-- its voting, makes all citizens of a society equal as 1 vote. And that is all that is lacking in Solving the Israel Palestine Conflict. The moment the Palestinians have a vote in who is the prime minister of Israel,
    is the moment that both states can start to live in peace in a two state solution.

    AP

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