• Why Physicists Believe White Is Black

    From Pentcho Valev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 04:03:41 2023
    Physicists clearly see https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE, and even teach implicitly, e.g. here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBuLTzj3CWA&t=369s, that frequency and speed of light vary proportionally for the moving observer. At the same time they
    believe that only the frequency varies - the speed of light gloriously remains constant. Ignatius of Loyola explains:

    "We should always be prepared so as never to err to believe that what we see as white is black, if the hierarchy of the Church defines it thus" https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c9/bb/5e/c9bb5eb049bc1d58834129afcea7d63b.jpg

    Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Pentcho Valev on Sun Aug 20 10:39:12 2023
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:03:44 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
    Physicists clearly see https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE, and even teach implicitly, e.g. here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBuLTzj3CWA&t=369s, that frequency and speed of light vary proportionally for the moving observer. At the same time
    they believe that only the frequency varies - the speed of light gloriously remains constant. Ignatius of Loyola explains:

    "We should always be prepared so as never to err to believe that what we see as white is black, if the hierarchy of the Church defines it thus" https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c9/bb/5e/c9bb5eb049bc1d58834129afcea7d63b.jpg

    Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

    Why does white light come out black?
    My white light bulb illuminates my black desk
    why does what was white come back out black instead?

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Aug 20 10:56:23 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>

    Why does white light come out black?
    My white light bulb illuminates my black desk
    why does what was white come back out black instead?

    Mitchell Raemsch

    You have been babbling this same moronic gibberish for years now, idiot.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Nathaniel Raihelson on Sun Aug 20 12:57:44 2023
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:23:54 AM UTC-7, Nathaniel Raihelson wrote:
    Jim Pennino wrote:

    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    <snip old crap> Why does white light come out black?
    My white light bulb illuminates my black desk why does what was white
    come back out black instead? Mitchell Raemsch

    You have been babbling this same moronic gibberish for years now, idiot.
    you never saw a 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁_𝗹𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗿,

    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Aug 20 13:17:19 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>

    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch

    What an idiotic moron.

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  • From Pentcho Valev@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 01:42:51 2023
    In 1887, prior to the introduction of length contraction and other preposterous fudge factors, the Michelson-Morley experiment was compatible with Newton's variable speed of light, c'=c±v, and, accordingly, incompatible with the constant speed of light,
    c'=c. In other words, in 1887 the Michelson-Morley experiment PROVED that the speed of light is variable as per Newton:

    "Emission theory, also called emitter theory or ballistic theory of light, was a competing theory for the special theory of relativity, explaining the results of the Michelson–Morley experiment of 1887...The name most often associated with emission
    theory is Isaac Newton. In his corpuscular theory Newton visualized light "corpuscles" being thrown off from hot bodies at a nominal speed of c with respect to the emitting object, and obeying the usual laws of Newtonian mechanics, and we then expect
    light to be moving towards us with a speed that is offset by the speed of the distant emitter (c ± v)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory

    "Moreover, if light consists of particles, as Einstein had suggested in his paper submitted just thirteen weeks before this one, the second principle seems absurd: A stone thrown from a speeding train can do far more damage than one thrown from a train
    at rest; the speed of the particle is not independent of the motion of the object emitting it. And if we take light to consist of particles and assume that these particles obey Newton's laws, they will conform to Newtonian relativity and thus
    automatically account for the null result of the Michelson-Morley experiment without recourse to contracting lengths, local time, or Lorentz transformations. Yet, as we have seen, Einstein resisted the temptation to account for the null result in terms
    of particles of light and simple, familiar Newtonian ideas, and introduced as his second postulate something that was more or less obvious when thought of in terms of waves in an ether." Banesh Hoffmann, Relativity and Its Roots, p.92 https://www.amazon.
    com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768

    Einsteinians teach, and physicists all over the world wholeheartedly believe, that in 1887 the Michelson–Morley experiment proved the constant speed of light, c'=c, and, accordingly, disproved Newton's variable speed of light, c'=c±v:

    Sabine Hossenfelder: "How fast do you see the light of Bob's laser? You'd expect this to be faster than the light that comes out of your laser pointer by the speed of the train, but not so. It moves with the exact same speed as yours. Because the speed
    of light is always the same. This is what was confirmed with the famous Michelson-Morley experiment." https://youtu.be/9-jIplX6Wjw?t=207

    "The conclusion of the Michelson-Morley experiment was that the speed of light was a constant c in any inertial frame. Why is this result so surprising? First, it invalidates the Galilean coordinate transformation. Note that with the frames as defined in
    the previous section, if light is travelling in the x' direction in frame O' with velocity c, then its speed in the O frame is, by the Galilean transform, c+v, not c as measured. This invalidates two thousand years of understanding of the nature of time
    and space. The only comparable discovery is the discovery that the earth isn't flat! The Michelson Morley experiment has inevitably brought about a profound change in our understanding of the world." http://www.berkeleyscience.com/relativity.htm

    Joao Magueijo, Faster Than the Speed of Light: "A missile fired from a plane moves faster than one fired from the ground because the plane's speed adds to the missile's speed. If I throw something forward on a moving train, its speed with respect to the
    platform is the speed of that object plus that of the train. You might think that the same should happen to light: Light flashed from a train should travel faster. However, what the Michelson-Morley experiments showed was that this was not the case:
    Light always moves stubbornly at the same speed. This means that if I take a light ray and ask several observers moving with respect to each other to measure the speed of this light ray, they will all agree on the same apparent speed!" https://www.amazon.
    com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257

    Philip Ball: "Michelson and Morley set out to detect the ether by recording the velocity of beams of light travelling in different directions. They expected to see different speeds for each beam, caused by the motion of Earth through the ether. To their
    surprise, they saw nothing of the sort — the speed of light remained constant in all directions." https://www.nature.com/articles/427482a

    Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time, Chapter 2: "The special theory of relativity was very successful in explaining that the speed of light appears the same to all observers (as shown by the Michelson-Morley experiment)..." http://www.amazon.com/
    Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168

    Brian Cox, p. 91: "...Maxwell's brilliant synthesis of the experimental results of Faraday and others strongly suggested that the speed of light should be the same for all observers. This conclusion was supported by the experimental result of Michelson
    and Morley, and taken at face value by Einstein." http://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-mc2-Should-Care/dp/0306817586

    Ethan Siegel: "The speed of light doesn't change when you boost your light source. Imagine throwing a ball as fast as you can. Depending on what sport you're playing, you might get all the way up to 100 miles per hour (~45 meters/second) using your hand-
    and-arm alone. Now, imagine you're on a train (or in a plane) moving incredibly quickly: 300 miles per hour (~134 m/s). If you throw the ball from the train, moving in the same direction, how fast does the ball move? You simply add the speeds up: 400
    miles per hour, and that's your answer. Now, imagine that instead of throwing a ball, you emit a beam of light instead. Add the speed of the light to the speed of the train... and you get an answer that's completely wrong. Really, you do! This was the
    central idea of Einstein's theory of special relativity, but it wasn't Einstein who made this experimental discovery; it was Albert Michelson, who's pioneering work in the 1880s demonstrated that this was the case." https://www.forbes.com/sites/
    startswithabang/2017/10/27/five-discoveries-in-fundamental-physics-that-came-as-total-surprises/

    Joe Wolfe: "At this stage, many of my students say things like "The invariance of the speed of light among observers is impossible" or "I can't understand it". Well, it's not impossible. It's even more than possible, it is true. This is something that
    has been extensively measured, and many refinements to the Michelson and Morley experiment, and complementary experiments have confirmed this invariance to very great precision. As to understanding it, there isn't really much to understand. However
    surprising and weird it may be, it is the case. It's the law in our universe. The fact of the invariance of c doesn't take much understanding." https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module3_weird_logic.htm

    Neil deGrasse Tyson: "Beginning in 1905, investigations into the behavior of light got positively spooky. That year, Einstein published his special theory of relativity, in which he ratcheted up M & M's null result to an audacious level. The speed of
    light in empty space, he declared, is a universal constant, no matter the speed of the light-emitting source or the speed of the person doing the measuring." https://www.amazon.fr/Death-Black-Hole-Cosmic-Quandaries/dp/039335038X

    Edward Witten on modern physics https://youtu.be/fnzLpyDsn3M?t=77

    Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Mon Aug 21 10:10:07 2023
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Mon Aug 21 10:19:57 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...

    What your question means is that you are a blazingly stupid moron.

    Light in the air is made visible from scattering from small particles
    suspended in the air, idiot.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 22 00:57:26 2023
    On 8/20/2023 1:39 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:03:44 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:

    Why does white light come out black?
    My white light bulb illuminates my black desk
    why does what was white come back out black instead?

    I already told you, Roy. Look at the spectrum from a prism. If you can't
    find a prism, try a Pink Floyd album. If you look, the colors have black
    on both sides. But only the black on the side of the violet is real, it
    is what illuminates a black desk.

    You can even go to a novelty shop and buy a black light which emits
    light to the side of violet in a spectrum. Its light is truly black, but
    it may appear a little violet if you get a cheap one which doesn't have
    a good cutoff at violet. And don't try to tell me black lights don't
    exist, Roy, I have one.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Tue Aug 22 12:01:37 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...
    What your question means is that you are a blazingly stupid moron.

    Light in the air is made visible from scattering from small particles suspended in the air, idiot.

    All light would scatter then.
    Science can't answer white and black...

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Volney on Tue Aug 22 12:05:54 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:57:33 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 1:39 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:03:44 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:

    Why does white light come out black?
    My white light bulb illuminates my black desk
    why does what was white come back out black instead?

    It takes a black atom for absorbing white light to convert to black radiation. That is my white light illuminating my black desk.
    White gets converted.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 22 12:36:23 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...
    What your question means is that you are a blazingly stupid moron.

    Light in the air is made visible from scattering from small particles
    suspended in the air, idiot.

    All light would scatter then.

    All light in air does scatter to some extent, moron. There is nowhere
    on Earth where the air is perfectly clean and light is also scattered by
    some of the gases in the atmosphere, moron. This is why the sky is blue
    most of the time and red some of the time, but you have been told that
    for 19 years now and you still doen't get it, moron.

    Science can't answer white and black...

    You are just about the only person, neglecting those under 5 years old,
    that does not understand black, moron.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Tue Aug 22 12:59:16 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:46:09 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...
    What your question means is that you are a blazingly stupid moron.

    Light in the air is made visible from scattering from small particles
    suspended in the air, idiot.

    All light would scatter then.
    All light in air does scatter to some extent, moron.

    Then you agree that solar atmosphere matter can only
    scatter star light in all directions...?
    At Sobral star light didn't scatter. It deflected under
    gravity instead. Can you see why Einstein was right?

    Mitchell Raemsch


    There is nowhere
    on Earth where the air is perfectly clean and light is also scattered by some of the gases in the atmosphere, moron. This is why the sky is blue
    most of the time and red some of the time, but you have been told that
    for 19 years now and you still doen't get it, moron.
    Science can't answer white and black...
    You are just about the only person, neglecting those under 5 years old,
    that does not understand black, moron.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Aug 22 13:14:23 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:46:09 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:31:20 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip old crap>
    How can you see any laser at an angle?
    if a laser is only straight?

    Mitchell Raemsch
    What an idiotic moron.

    If you can see a laser by an angle and they are only
    supposed to be straight... what does that mean?
    Laser light is being absorbed 360...
    What your question means is that you are a blazingly stupid moron.

    Light in the air is made visible from scattering from small particles
    suspended in the air, idiot.

    All light would scatter then.
    All light in air does scatter to some extent, moron.

    Then you agree that solar atmosphere matter can only

    Off topic gibberish. The topic was the Earth's atmosphere.

    scatter star light in all directions...?
    At Sobral star light didn't scatter. It deflected under

    WTF are you babbling about now? "Sobral" is the Portuguese word meaning
    an oak forest.

    gravity instead. Can you see why Einstein was right?

    Utter, meaningless, gibberish.


    Mitchell Raemsch

    <snip old gibberish>

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