• Connecting Gell-Mann's fake physics of quarks with Engineering's fakery

    From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 31 21:44:24 2023
    Now I suspect both of these science shams came about the same time in history.

    Both are mysticism from the East. "Three quarks for Muster Mark". The Buddha's Noble Eightfold Path and the Threefold Way.

    So there was Murray Gell-Mann playing around in math algebra and wanting to be famous, so he takes Eastern mysticism, spiritualism and invents some silly 3 quarks.

    So along comes Murray Gell-Mann and George Zweig with their Numerology of Physics-- shame the Internet was not around by 1960 to give these two knuckleheads a thorough thrashing instead of a Nobel prize in con art physics.

    But we look to Engineering by 1960 if there was a burgeoning birth of the ridiculous Engineering Middle Third Rule. For it was a horse race between physics con-artists and for the engineers not to be outdone.

    Principles of Foundation Engineering by B.M.Das, 1995. So the engineers were late in pandering Eastern mysticism into engineering. For Gell-Mann and Zweig, then Sheldon Glashow were well on their way of filling physics with numerology and mystic-physics.
    But the engineering community kept its eyes open for it to have mystical-engineering. Is not the Lotus position a Middle Two Thirds, and why I have leg cramps in bed in the morning is that my legs are the outer 1/3 portion, with all the torsion and
    tension and stress.

    So, never say that Physics is without Numerology, for some of the very greatest physics con-artists finagled the Swede prize for sheer nonsense of number 3, --- Quarks, the gutter sewer cesspool of physics history in the 20th century.

    And here, just a day ago I was asking for physicists to enter into engineering teaching and straighten out the engineers, when the reverse flow is more apt-- have the engineers straighten out the fools of physics with their mindless quarks and 3 and
    eightfold way and middle third.

    So, well, what we need is someone in science to build two structures that full demonstrates how Middle Third of Engineering is superior to a structure that falls apart due to not being built Middle Third Rule. Demonstration is after all-- Experiment of
    Physics.

    Stop this nonsense of tension and stress-- but build the actual two models that shows what Middle Third Rule means.

    AP

    Connecting Gell-Mann's fake physics of quarks with Engineering's fakery Middle Third Rule.

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 00:55:52 2023
    I do recall some of Feynman history concerning his opinion of Standard Model in Physics. His comment, words to the effect "I see no use in playing Algebra games in Physics" referring to the Standard Model.

    Critics of AP often level that attack on AP-- my work is numerology. Yet, those same critics never see anything wrong in Murray Gell-Mann, Sheldon Glashow, Peter Higgs, Steven Weinberg with their protons, neutrons, electrons as "balls" that have no
    function, and where these Standard Model physicists play around with numbers in a algebra jigsaw puzzle.

    Contrast that with AP's New Physics where the proton is 840MeV as a torus with 840 windings and inside the torus resides a 105MeV muon as the Atom's electron doing the Faraday law inside the proton torus as it thrusts through the torus at nearly the
    speed of light producing electricity for which the neutrons are parallel plate capacitors storing this electricity.

    So Old Physics with Murray Gell-Mann was algebra games and 3 quarks with balls as particles that do nothing except maybe fly around in circles around a dense nucleus of balls that do nothing. A picture really quite childish and stupid, yet they win a
    Nobel physics prize for this stupidity. Prizes for numerology in physics.

    And this was circa 1960s of numerology of 3 in physics, but the Engineers in 1960s were paying attention to this horrible numerology in physics that wins prizes, and not to be left out of the party-making. The engineers reflected on whether 3, the number
    3 was also a backbone and foundation of sorts in engineering. And the engineers did not have far to look to see of 0 to 1/3 and 1/3 to 2/3, and 2/3 to 1, makes for a Middle Thirds.

    And the Eastern Religions of Buddhism with Eightfold Way and Middle Third Path was not lost on engineers in the 1960s onward. And so it came to be, that Physics was seeped in the stupidity of numerology and engineering would want some of that party and
    merriment.

    But, what is flawed with both the physics and engineering numerology of 3, is the fact that truth in science ends up with Experiments. And Demonstrations are indeed experiments.

    AP's recent experimentation into proving Water is H4O, not H2O is an experiment that throws out the Standard Model of Old Physics, completely throws it out and onto the trash pile of shame. For H4O requires proton and muon and neutron and magnetic
    monopoles to have jobs and tasks and function, and not be a mindless idiotic ball that does nothing and is counted in some number algebra game.

    And as for the Engineering mindrot of Middle Third Rule, a demonstration is required. A demonstration is demanded, not just a paragraph of words with tension and stress and resultant force, a incomprehensible paragraph. No, a demonstration of something
    following the Middle Third Rule and another apparatus that fails the Middle Third Rule. Then, when someone asks, what is the Engineering Middle Third Rule? What is it? And the answer is-- you make apparatus A and apparatus B that does not follow the rule.
    And watch how B falls apart.

    Sadly, though, numerology crept into physics and engineering in the 20th century, was heavily rewarded, but now must be seen as the charaltan of science it was.

    It is admirable that Feynman was opposed to the Standard Model, but he should have been more vehement in his opposition. Every King or Queen of science must be vocal in the future. And sometimes the King or Queen will get it wrong, but they must be
    active and vocal.

    AP, King of Science

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  • From Enes Richard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 05:41:55 2023
    wtorek, 1 sierpnia 2023 o 06:44:30 UTC+2 Archimedes Plutonium napisał(a):
    Now I suspect both of these science shams came about the same time in history.

    Both are mysticism from the East. "Three quarks for Muster Mark". The Buddha's Noble Eightfold Path and the Threefold Way.

    So there was Murray Gell-Mann playing around in math algebra and wanting to be famous, so he takes Eastern mysticism, spiritualism and invents some silly 3 quarks.

    So along comes Murray Gell-Mann and George Zweig with their Numerology of Physics-- shame the Internet was not around by 1960 to give these two knuckleheads a thorough thrashing instead of a Nobel prize in con art physics.

    But we look to Engineering by 1960 if there was a burgeoning birth of the ridiculous Engineering Middle Third Rule. For it was a horse race between physics con-artists and for the engineers not to be outdone.

    Principles of Foundation Engineering by B.M.Das, 1995. So the engineers were late in pandering Eastern mysticism into engineering. For Gell-Mann and Zweig, then Sheldon Glashow were well on their way of filling physics with numerology and mystic-
    physics. But the engineering community kept its eyes open for it to have mystical-engineering. Is not the Lotus position a Middle Two Thirds, and why I have leg cramps in bed in the morning is that my legs are the outer 1/3 portion, with all the torsion
    and tension and stress.

    So, never say that Physics is without Numerology, for some of the very greatest physics con-artists finagled the Swede prize for sheer nonsense of number 3, --- Quarks, the gutter sewer cesspool of physics history in the 20th century.
    And here, just a day ago I was asking for physicists to enter into engineering teaching and straighten out the engineers, when the reverse flow is more apt-- have the engineers straighten out the fools of physics with their mindless quarks and 3 and
    eightfold way and middle third.

    Interesting associations, stimulating thinking and imagination. Asymmetric coincidences between the micro world (nucleons) and the macro world (rigid bodies) are not intentional, it just comes out of geometry and calculations...

    The theory of quarks is obviously false, it was from the beginning against experiments with fast electrons scattered elastically in protons. Quarks are constantly resuscitated mathematically in the face of contradictions with successive experiments.

    The proposed NEW division of nucleons into 3 parts in reference to quark nomenclature is a lifeline for a smooth transition to the new nuclear physics. Similarly, in cosmology, it is proposed to move from abstract mathematical black holes to physical
    electron-dense dark holes.

    The division of the nucleon into 3 parts that can rotate independently (but other movements in nucleons are also possible) superficially refers to quarks but has nothing more to do with them: (lower part, middle part, upper part) with the appropriate
    division of mass (1 /6, 2/3, 1/6). This is the result of the first approximation and model geometry.

    So, well, what we need is someone in science to build two structures that full demonstrates how Middle Third of Engineering is superior to a structure that falls apart due to not being built Middle Third Rule. Demonstration is after all-- Experiment of
    Physics.

    Stop this nonsense of tension and stress-- but build the actual two models that shows what Middle Third Rule means.

    The experiment on elastic reflections of the middle parts of nucleons with momentum transfer, speed (including additional) has already been presented on this forum. It was elastic collision of 2 serrated coins spinning in the same direction (spin of the
    same sign).What are the results of the experiment (related to Rutherford's experiment)?

    For an engineering experiment, you need a match and some rectangular pencil erasers. Let AP stack the rubber bands on top of each other with their entire bases. From above, have him apply force through a match, first in the center of the top surface of
    the rubber band, then further and further towards the side wall. Let him observe what is happening at the contacts of the erasers on the opposite side. Similarly, let him move from the center to the edge and observe the opposite edge.

    AP

    Connecting Gell-Mann's fake physics of quarks with Engineering's fakery Middle Third Rule.

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  • From Enes Richard@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 1 09:57:53 2023
    wtorek, 1 sierpnia 2023 o 09:55:56 UTC+2 Archimedes Plutonium napisał(a):
    I do recall some of Feynman history concerning his opinion of Standard Model in Physics. His comment, words to the effect "I see no use in playing Algebra games in Physics" referring to the Standard Model.

    Critics of AP often level that attack on AP-- my work is numerology. Yet, those same critics never see anything wrong in Murray Gell-Mann, Sheldon Glashow, Peter Higgs, Steven Weinberg with their protons, neutrons, electrons as "balls" that have no
    function, and where these Standard Model physicists play around with numbers in a algebra jigsaw puzzle.

    Contrast that with AP's New Physics where the proton is 840MeV as a torus with 840 windings and inside the torus resides a 105MeV muon as the Atom's electron doing the Faraday law inside the proton torus as it thrusts through the torus at nearly the
    speed of light producing electricity for which the neutrons are parallel plate capacitors storing this electricity.

    So Old Physics with Murray Gell-Mann was algebra games and 3 quarks with balls as particles that do nothing except maybe fly around in circles around a dense nucleus of balls that do nothing. A picture really quite childish and stupid, yet they win a
    Nobel physics prize for this stupidity. Prizes for numerology in physics.

    And this was circa 1960s of numerology of 3 in physics, but the Engineers in 1960s were paying attention to this horrible numerology in physics that wins prizes, and not to be left out of the party-making. The engineers reflected on whether 3, the
    number 3 was also a backbone and foundation of sorts in engineering. And the engineers did not have far to look to see of 0 to 1/3 and 1/3 to 2/3, and 2/3 to 1, makes for a Middle Thirds.

    And the Eastern Religions of Buddhism with Eightfold Way and Middle Third Path was not lost on engineers in the 1960s onward. And so it came to be, that Physics was seeped in the stupidity of numerology and engineering would want some of that party and
    merriment.

    But, what is flawed with both the physics and engineering numerology of 3, is the fact that truth in science ends up with Experiments. And Demonstrations are indeed experiments.

    AP's recent experimentation into proving Water is H4O, not H2O is an experiment that throws out the Standard Model of Old Physics, completely throws it out and onto the trash pile of shame. For H4O requires proton and muon and neutron and magnetic
    monopoles to have jobs and tasks and function, and not be a mindless idiotic ball that does nothing and is counted in some number algebra game.

    And as for the Engineering mindrot of Middle Third Rule, a demonstration is required. A demonstration is demanded, not just a paragraph of words with tension and stress and resultant force, a incomprehensible paragraph. No, a demonstration of something
    following the Middle Third Rule and another apparatus that fails the Middle Third Rule. Then, when someone asks, what is the Engineering Middle Third Rule? What is it? And the answer is-- you make apparatus A and apparatus B that does not follow the rule.
    And watch how B falls apart.

    One experimental set is enough (previously described) - a cuboid pole made of cuboid rubber bands stacked on top of each other and a match at the very top transmitting the load/force.

    Sadly, though, numerology crept into physics and engineering in the 20th century, was heavily rewarded, but now must be seen as the charaltan of science it was.

    It is admirable that Feynman was opposed to the Standard Model, but he should have been more vehement in his opposition. Every King or Queen of science must be vocal in the future. And sometimes the King or Queen will get it wrong, but they must be
    active and vocal.

    AP, King of Science

    I think Feynman compromised because there was no alternative model for the structure of the nucleon. He was familiar with experiments with fast electrons passing through a proton and being scattered (as in Rutherford's experiment) and reserved the name
    PARTON for the nucleon component. Quarks were to fulfill this role until a better structure model was found.

    There are probably over 7,300 partons in nucleons (hence the multitude of different particles after collisions). Partons are about the size of an electron and are about a million times as far apart. They easily pass the test of fast electrons (which are
    made up of at least 4 partons)...probably.

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  • From Archimedes Plutonium@21:1/5 to Enes Richard on Tue Aug 1 13:11:00 2023
    On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:57:58 AM UTC-5, Enes Richard wrote:
    wtorek, 1 sierpnia 2023 o 09:55:56 UTC+2 Archimedes Plutonium napisał(a):
    I do recall some of Feynman history concerning his opinion of Standard Model in Physics. His comment, words to the effect "I see no use in playing Algebra games in Physics" referring to the Standard Model.

    Critics of AP often level that attack on AP-- my work is numerology. Yet, those same critics never see anything wrong in Murray Gell-Mann, Sheldon Glashow, Peter Higgs, Steven Weinberg with their protons, neutrons, electrons as "balls" that have no
    function, and where these Standard Model physicists play around with numbers in a algebra jigsaw puzzle.

    Contrast that with AP's New Physics where the proton is 840MeV as a torus with 840 windings and inside the torus resides a 105MeV muon as the Atom's electron doing the Faraday law inside the proton torus as it thrusts through the torus at nearly the
    speed of light producing electricity for which the neutrons are parallel plate capacitors storing this electricity.

    So Old Physics with Murray Gell-Mann was algebra games and 3 quarks with balls as particles that do nothing except maybe fly around in circles around a dense nucleus of balls that do nothing. A picture really quite childish and stupid, yet they win a
    Nobel physics prize for this stupidity. Prizes for numerology in physics.

    And this was circa 1960s of numerology of 3 in physics, but the Engineers in 1960s were paying attention to this horrible numerology in physics that wins prizes, and not to be left out of the party-making. The engineers reflected on whether 3, the
    number 3 was also a backbone and foundation of sorts in engineering. And the engineers did not have far to look to see of 0 to 1/3 and 1/3 to 2/3, and 2/3 to 1, makes for a Middle Thirds.

    And the Eastern Religions of Buddhism with Eightfold Way and Middle Third Path was not lost on engineers in the 1960s onward. And so it came to be, that Physics was seeped in the stupidity of numerology and engineering would want some of that party
    and merriment.

    But, what is flawed with both the physics and engineering numerology of 3, is the fact that truth in science ends up with Experiments. And Demonstrations are indeed experiments.

    AP's recent experimentation into proving Water is H4O, not H2O is an experiment that throws out the Standard Model of Old Physics, completely throws it out and onto the trash pile of shame. For H4O requires proton and muon and neutron and magnetic
    monopoles to have jobs and tasks and function, and not be a mindless idiotic ball that does nothing and is counted in some number algebra game.

    And as for the Engineering mindrot of Middle Third Rule, a demonstration is required. A demonstration is demanded, not just a paragraph of words with tension and stress and resultant force, a incomprehensible paragraph. No, a demonstration of
    something following the Middle Third Rule and another apparatus that fails the Middle Third Rule. Then, when someone asks, what is the Engineering Middle Third Rule? What is it? And the answer is-- you make apparatus A and apparatus B that does not
    follow the rule. And watch how B falls apart.

    One experimental set is enough (previously described) - a cuboid pole made of cuboid rubber bands stacked on top of each other and a match at the very top transmitting the load/force.
    Sadly, though, numerology crept into physics and engineering in the 20th century, was heavily rewarded, but now must be seen as the charaltan of science it was.

    It is admirable that Feynman was opposed to the Standard Model, but he should have been more vehement in his opposition. Every King or Queen of science must be vocal in the future. And sometimes the King or Queen will get it wrong, but they must be
    active and vocal.

    AP, King of Science

    I think Feynman compromised because there was no alternative model for the structure of the nucleon. He was familiar with experiments with fast electrons passing through a proton and being scattered (as in Rutherford's experiment) and reserved the name
    PARTON for the nucleon component. Quarks were to fulfill this role until a better structure model was found.

    There are probably over 7,300 partons in nucleons (hence the multitude of different particles after collisions). Partons are about the size of an electron and are about a million times as far apart. They easily pass the test of fast electrons (which
    are made up of at least 4 partons)...probably.


    Yes, I was going to bring up the Feynman Parton theory which is also bogus.

    Feynman was attacking String theory more than he was Standard Model.

    I should write a book on "The history of Old Physics and the history of Old Math"

    The history of Old Math is more clearcut with time boundary. For Old Math is Reals as numbers with a continuum and utterly no valid proof of Fundamental Theorem of Calculus ever possible in Old Math. There is the year 2013 in which clearly New Math
    starts with the correct number system.

    Know what Numbers really are, not some sack of crap cobbled together in a junk pile called Reals

    History of discovery: can be pinned to the year 2013 where Grid Numbers replaces the Reals. I needed discrete numbers not a continuum and by 2013 I started True Calculus, where I need empty space gaps between discrete numbers, in order for calculus to
    exist.

    When does Old Physics end? All the physics up to year 2016-2017 is Old Physics and what is its characteristic feature?

    Old Math is all the math up to 2013, and its characteristic feature is having the correct Numbers that compose mathematics, and those correct numbers allow one to do a Geometry and a Valid proof of Fundamental Theorem of Calculus. Before 2013, Old Math
    never had a valid proof of calculus. They tried with their stupid "limit analysis" hoping that no-one would notice that just because you analyze something does not mean you
    "proven something".

    But what is the transition year for Old Physics to go into New Physics, the true physics? I could say the year 1990 wherein the Atom Totality theory starts to take over all the sciences, even mathematics as it says that physics dominates over math, where
    math is just a small closet or attic space of physics, for geometry exists because Atoms have different shapes and sizes and numbers exist because atoms are numerous.

    In a sense, Old Physics and Old Math really end with the year 1990 because of Atom Totality Universe. But in this book I am specific about complete and utter breakdown of Old Math and Old Physics. Where they are a complete joke as science.

    For math the complete joke of Old Math is that it is painfully aware by 2013, they never had a valid proof of Fundamental Theorem of Calculus and could never have a proof, not as long as they kept their Reals with its continuum. In a sense, Old Math
    killed calculus, they nuked it out of existence with Reals and their continuum.

    But for Old Physics, things went horribly horribly wrong for Old Physics not just 1990 with Atom Totality, but specifically by 2016-2017 when AP discovered that the neutron at 940MeV is really composed of 9 muons within Sigma Error. Also the proton
    registered at 938MeV is actually 945MeV within sigma error, meaning that the true proton is only 840MeV with a muon stuck inside doing the Faraday law. By the year 2016-2017, Old Physics is seen as a dead, decaying science. Seen as idiots who think the
    neutron and proton and electron are tiny balls, either whizing around at nearly speed of light, or just clumped together in a fictional nucleus. The idiot Ball picture of subatomic particles with no jobs, function or purpose.

    The faculty of physicists at all universities across the globe at this moment are "subatomic particles and atoms as stick and ball figures, most doing nothing but maybe sipping lemonade on a nuclear beach" while that tiny 0.5MeV electron of theirs
    whizing crazily around the nuclear beach at nearly speed of light, and everyone in the subatomic world having no function." That picture of Atoms marks the end of Old Physics with their mindless pictures of proton, neutrons, electrons and atoms as balls.

    For in 2016-2017, AP sees that the proton is 9x105MeV means the proton itself is only 840MeV as a torus of 840 windings with a 105MeV muon as the true electron inside the proton torus doing the Faraday law. And that AP sees the neutron is a parallel
    plate capacitor storing the electricity produced by proton +muon and providing a skin cover for the proton+muon.

    New Physics started with Atom Totality of 1990, but accelerated by 2016-2017 when it is clearly seen that atoms and their subatomic particles are not "balls with no jobs, no function".

    And this is so important to throw out Old Physics immediately, for Sun and Stars shine not from fusion but from Faraday law. This is why 25% of all insect biomass died from 2010 to 2020, because every year, the Sun gets hotter and hotter.

    And unless humanity gets out there to Europa and places a permanent colony there in the next 1,000 years, that all the life on Earth including humanity will be scorched and fried to death-- all life on Earth goes extinct and into oblivion. The only
    remains that once was human history, is the Voyagier spacecraft with that emblem insignia it carries that once upon a time-- there lived humans who built this spacecraft.

    Old Science died in year 1990 with Atom Totality theory. Old Math had a funeral in year 2013. Old Physics had a funeral in year 2017 when its stupid and silly "tiny balls are neutrons, protons, electrons".

    Let this be AP's 255th book of science.

    AP, King of Science

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