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    From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 13:55:29 2023
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 16:23:20 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    More utter nonsense from the resident moron.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 17:44:21 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Tue Jul 25 18:31:15 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 18:47:57 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.

    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

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  • From whodat@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Tue Jul 25 21:59:17 2023
    On 7/25/2023 8:47 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.

    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    He knows he gets a constant stream of attention, and why.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Tue Jul 25 20:08:50 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 21:03:21 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?

    Yet more utter nonsense from the resident moron.

    Not only does magnetic north move over time, it also varies with where
    you are by quite a bit, idiot.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 25 21:01:11 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >> > Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.

    Utter, idiotic, nonsense as to be expected from the resident moron.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 01:50:24 2023
    On 7/25/2023 11:08 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?

    Roy, the fact that magnetic north has been moving has been known for a
    couple of centuries already. It was in north Canada and is now heading
    to Siberia. Old maps needed compensation if magnetic north is how they indicated north on the maps.

    My father was a surveyor and the final versions of his maps typically
    had three different "norths" indicated, geographic, magnetic and the
    North Star north, along with the date, and usually with a UTM grid
    reference. The "norths" would be 3 almost parallel rays, one marked with
    a star, one "MN" one "GM".

    Similar to this:

    https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/north-arrows-us-topo-map

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Volney on Wed Jul 26 10:29:28 2023
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:50:32 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 7/25/2023 11:08 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?
    Roy, the fact that magnetic north has been moving has been known for a couple of centuries already. It was in north Canada and is now heading
    to Siberia. Old maps needed compensation if magnetic north is how they indicated north on the maps.

    My father was a surveyor and the final versions of his maps typically
    had three different "norths" indicated, geographic, magnetic and the
    North Star north, along with the date, and usually with a UTM grid reference. The "norths" would be 3 almost parallel rays, one marked with
    a star, one "MN" one "GM".

    Similar to this:

    https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/north-arrows-us-topo-map

    If the magnetic pole is moving how did man know how to change his map?
    No. North does not change or man would have gotten lost in history.
    That is a proof it is not moving. Where is your proof it is?
    The lie is it is changing where it is not.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 11:31:38 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:50:32 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 7/25/2023 11:08 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?
    Roy, the fact that magnetic north has been moving has been known for a
    couple of centuries already. It was in north Canada and is now heading
    to Siberia. Old maps needed compensation if magnetic north is how they
    indicated north on the maps.

    My father was a surveyor and the final versions of his maps typically
    had three different "norths" indicated, geographic, magnetic and the
    North Star north, along with the date, and usually with a UTM grid
    reference. The "norths" would be 3 almost parallel rays, one marked with
    a star, one "MN" one "GM".

    Similar to this:

    https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/north-arrows-us-topo-map

    If the magnetic pole is moving how did man know how to change his map?
    No. North does not change or man would have gotten lost in history.
    That is a proof it is not moving. Where is your proof it is?
    The lie is it is changing where it is not.


    Hundreds of years of observation and comparison with the North Star
    moron.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Wed Jul 26 12:08:33 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:01:11 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:50:32 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 7/25/2023 11:08 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: >> >>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?
    Roy, the fact that magnetic north has been moving has been known for a
    couple of centuries already. It was in north Canada and is now heading
    to Siberia. Old maps needed compensation if magnetic north is how they
    indicated north on the maps.

    My father was a surveyor and the final versions of his maps typically
    had three different "norths" indicated, geographic, magnetic and the
    North Star north, along with the date, and usually with a UTM grid
    reference. The "norths" would be 3 almost parallel rays, one marked with >> a star, one "MN" one "GM".

    Similar to this:

    https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/north-arrows-us-topo-map

    If the magnetic pole is moving how did man know how to change his map?
    No. North does not change or man would have gotten lost in history.
    That is a proof it is not moving. Where is your proof it is?
    The lie is it is changing where it is not.

    Hundreds of years of observation and comparison with the North Star
    moron.

    What is changing the magnetic orientation?
    What is causing a pole to move? No it is not happening.
    Some measurements are just scientific lies. The liar lies. It is why
    Einstein said science would fail.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Wed Jul 26 12:32:27 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 12:01:11 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:50:32 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 7/25/2023 11:08 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:31:19 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: >> >> >>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 1:55:33 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    Guiding throughout history would not have been accurate.
    For history absolute North from magnetosphere was required.

    Mitchell Raemsch
    Here you go, Mitch...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_magnetic_pole#/media/File:Magnetic_North_Pole_Positions_2015.svg

    ... you couldn't just look this up for yourself?

    If it is really changing the needed guidance for man in history would not be around.
    If it is off by the slightest bit you will not have accuracy of where you are. The ancient sailors
    needed a compass absolute north's reality to accurately guide them. Absolute north
    could not be moving around as history would not allow it.
    It is another lie in science. The liar lies. and it is not me...
    Einstein knew better. He said science would fail.
    It is really moving, Mitch... the evidence is overwhelming... just deal with it... you don't know what you don't know.

    The liar lies and you would know science has been.
    History for man dictates absolute north is not changing.
    If man needed it to not get lost and it is off by the slightest man
    will. So your evidence is science made up...
    Can you prove your internet evidence you accept as
    truth?
    Roy, the fact that magnetic north has been moving has been known for a
    couple of centuries already. It was in north Canada and is now heading
    to Siberia. Old maps needed compensation if magnetic north is how they
    indicated north on the maps.

    My father was a surveyor and the final versions of his maps typically
    had three different "norths" indicated, geographic, magnetic and the
    North Star north, along with the date, and usually with a UTM grid
    reference. The "norths" would be 3 almost parallel rays, one marked with >> >> a star, one "MN" one "GM".

    Similar to this:

    https://www.usgs.gov/media/images/north-arrows-us-topo-map

    If the magnetic pole is moving how did man know how to change his map?
    No. North does not change or man would have gotten lost in history.
    That is a proof it is not moving. Where is your proof it is?
    The lie is it is changing where it is not.

    Hundreds of years of observation and comparison with the North Star
    moron.

    What is changing the magnetic orientation?
    What is causing a pole to move? No it is not happening.
    Some measurements are just scientific lies. The liar lies. It is why
    Einstein said science would fail.


    What a babbling idiot.

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Fri Jul 28 01:43:04 2023
    On 7/26/2023 1:29 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    If the magnetic pole is moving how did man know how to change his map?

    They compare magnetic north to the North Star north. Once they notice
    they change, updates are posted so that one using old maps will be able
    to calculate the difference between the old magnetic north and the
    then-current magnetic north.

    No. North does not change

    Sorry, Roy, facts disagree with you. This is something easily measured
    and magnetic north is not only moving, it is moving faster and faster.
    The poles may even flip relatively soon (soon in geologic terms) as it
    has done repeatedly before, as you know.

    That is a proof it is not moving. Where is your proof it is?

    Again, they measure the position/direction of magnetic north and compare
    it to geometric north and the North Star, and notice the motion over time.

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