• Time-rate change in relatively moving frames

    From PengKuan Em@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 5 08:36:22 2020
    a) Material clock

    What is time? This question is tricky because in relativity time-rate
    changes when frame of reference changes. Time-rate changing is puzzling
    because it is in conflict with our intuition that time is the flow of
    ticks of clocks of which the mechanical structure does not change. Then
    how to clearly explain the contradiction between the constant flow of
    ticks delivered by clocks and the relativistic time dilation?

    In order to grasp the essence of time-rate, we have to understand the fundamental property of time. In still image, there is no time. When we
    see scenes of cinema time emerges. Time emerges in moving scenes because objects in the scenes change. So, the fundamental property of time is
    the ability of objects to change state in moving image as well as in
    reality.

    For recording the rate of change of objects, human has invented clock,
    the work of which is the change of state of the clock itself. For
    example, in Figure the hands of the clock change position, the pendulum
    changes position. Clocks record time by counting the number of times
    that one part passes a specific state, for example, the big hand at the
    number 12 on the dial. If the big hand has passed n times this state, we
    say that the recorded time is n hours.

    From the principle of work of clock, we extract the fundamental function
    of clocks: counting the number of times an oscillating object passes by
    a fixed point in space. This is true for archaic sundial as well as for
    modern quartz clock which makes a quartz tuning fork to vibrate around
    its neutral position.

    So, all material chocks can be represented by the abstract clock in
    Figure, which is formed by a material point k oscillating between the
    ends of the short rod a and b. The motion of k is characterized by the
    length of the rod. Let us refer to this abstract clock as “k clock”. The time recorded by the k clock is the number of times that k strikes the
    point a. We define one tick of time delivered by this clock to be one
    strike.

    Below, we will show how the time-rate of the k clock changes while ticking at the same rate. For doing so, we pair it with a light clock.

    b) Paired with a light clock

    In relativity light is the reference to all motion, so we make the light
    clock in Figure which is formed by a photon bouncing back and forth
    between the two mirrors Ma and Mb at the end of the long rod. In order
    to calibrate the rate of the k clock, we synchronize it with the light
    clock by matching the length of the short rod with that of the long rod
    such that if k starts from the point a simultaneously with the photon
    from Ma, k gets back to “a” simultaneously with the photon back to
    Ma. So, the k clock is synchronous with the light clock and they make
    one pair of “k clock - light clock”.

    The time recorded by the light clock is the number of strikes the photon
    makes on the mirror Ma. As k clock is synchronous with the light clock,
    the number of strikes k makes on the point a always equals the number of
    the photon’s strikes. The lengths of the rods and the identically
    repetitive motion of k stay the same for whatever motion they are
    in. This way, when the pair of “k clock - light clock” of Figure is
    brought into motion, they are always synchronous.

    The flow of ticks is the intrinsic tick-rate of a clock. Because the
    length of the short rod and the motion of k do not change, the intrinsic tick-rate of a material clock does not change either. But the time-rate
    they show can change due to motion, which we will see below.

    c) Time-rate change

    Let us take 2 frames of reference frame 1 and frame 2, frame 2 moves at constant speed in frame 1. In order to show the relativistic change of time-rate of frame 2, we will put one pair of “k clock - light clock” in frame 1 and an identical one in frame 2, see Figure. If we stand in
    frame 1 and look the pair of this frame, then we stand in frame 2 and
    look the pair of this frame, we will not detect any difference, which
    shows that material clock does not change when jumping frame.

    Then, why is the time-rate of frame 2 different from that of of frame 1?
    Let us see Figure in which a pair “k clock - light clock” moves with
    frame 2 in frame 1. In frame 2 the photon goes straight upward. But due
    to the motion of the light clock, the path of the same photon is slanted
    in frame 1. Let us denote the length of the path (back and forth) in
    frame 1 with L1 and that in frame 2 with L2. Because the path in frame 1
    is slanted, L1 is longer than L2.

    One strike of the photon indicates that it has done the distance L2 once
    in frame 2. Meanwhile, the same photon has done the distance L1 in frame
    1, see Figure. Suppose that we have counted n2 strikes, then the photon
    has done n2 times the distance L1 in frame 1, which makes the length of
    its total path to equal S1=n2L1, see equation.

    For counting the time passed in frame 1 during the n2 strikes, we count
    the ticks given by the identical pair “k clock - light clock” in frame
    1, see Figure. Within the same frame, light travels simultaneously the
    same distance in all direction. Then, during the n2 strikes the photon
    of frame 1 will also do the distance S1. Because the length of the long
    rod is also L2 in frame 1, this photon will strike n1=S1/L2 times and S1
    also equals n1L2, see equation. Then, we find in equation that n1 = n2
    L1/L2. As L1>L2, the number n1 is bigger than n2.

    Notice that n1 and n2 concern only the length of the photon’s paths, not time. For knowing the time-rate in frame 1 and 2, we define the quantity
    of time passed as the number of ticks delivered by light clocks which
    equals the number of strikes by their respective photons. As n2 ticks is delivered by the one of frame 2, the quantity of time passed in frame 2
    equals n2 ticks. Simultaneously, the photon of the light clock of frame
    1 has struck n1 times, so the quantity of time passed in frame 1 equals
    n1 ticks, see equation and.

    So, when the light clock of frame 2 delivers n2 ticks, simultaneously
    the light clock of frame 1 delivers n1 ticks. If 2 clocks deliver
    different number of ticks simultaneously, we say that the one that
    delivers fewer ticks is slower. Using this image, we say that time is
    slower in frame 2 than in frame 1 because n2 is smaller than n1. But
    “time slowing” is only an image to describe this phenomenon, it is not
    an appropriate term and it confuses people for understanding relativity.

    Notice this difference: the n2 ticks are delivered by the light clock of
    frame 2 but we count them in frame 1, the n1 ticks are delivered by the
    light clock of frame 1 and also counted in frame 1.

    d) Moving material clock

    What about the moving k clocks? As it is synchronized with the paired
    light clock, the number of ticks it delivers equals that of the paired
    light clock and the k clock of frame 2 delivers fewer ticks than that of
    frame 1 too, although the 2 “k clocks” are identical, which means that material clock shows slower time-rate when moving while keeping the same mechanical structure.

    If we really want to find what object causes time to slow, we would say
    the culprit is our standpoint. The path of the photon is straight upward
    when we see it in frame 2. The path of the same photon is slanted when
    we see it in frame 1. So, it is our standpoint that makes the path to
    appear slanted and longer, which makes it to contain more ticks. In consequence, the intrinsic mechanical structure of clocks and time
    itself do not change, only their appearance changes depending on our standpoint.

    Figure and equation are in the article below. https://www.academia.edu/44018092/Time_rate_change_in_relatively_moving_frames https://pengkuanonphysics.blogspot.com/2020/09/time-rate-change-in-relatively-moving.html

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to PengKuan Em on Tue Sep 8 19:51:53 2020
    On 9/5/20 3:36 AM, PengKuan Em wrote:
    [...] in relativity time-rate changes when frame of reference
    changes. [...]

    This is incorrect. Using standard English words as they apply to
    physics, the "time-rate" is the same in every locally inertial frame --
    it never "changes".

    [It is best to avoid such wishy-washy phrases as "time
    rate". Talk instead about definite, unambiguous, and
    directly measurable quantities such as clock tick rates.]

    Einstein's first postulate, solidly confirmed experimentally, implies
    that clocks always tick at their usual (standard) rate, regardless of
    where they are located or how they might be moving (because the laws of
    physics that govern their ticking are the same). Since "Time is what
    clocks measure [Einstein and others]", this also applies to "time rate".

    The rest of your article is useless because it fails to recognize this
    very basic and fundamental aspect of relativity.

    Tom Roberts

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  • From rockbrentwood@gmail.com@21:1/5 to PengKuan Em on Wed Oct 21 21:23:12 2020
    On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 3:36:26 AM UTC-5, PengKuan Em wrote:
    a) Material clock

    What is time? This question is tricky because in relativity time-rate
    changes when frame of reference changes. Time-rate changing is puzzling because it is in conflict with our intuition that time is the flow of
    ticks of clocks of which the mechanical structure does not change. Then
    how to clearly explain the contradiction between the constant flow of
    ticks delivered by clocks and the relativistic time dilation?

    We can fix that. Make it both. A coordinate time (t) and historical
    time (s), which we'll identify as proper time. Throw it in as another coordinate too. The Minkowski line element for proper time

    ds^2 = dt^2 - (1/c)^2 (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2)

    then becomes

    ds^2 - dt^2 + (1/c)^2 (dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2) = 0.

    Now ... let's regularize it by transforming the coordinate to the
    *difference* of proper time and coordinate time, defining

    u := c^2 (s - t).

    Then, the line element can be rewritten as the quadratic invariant:

    dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 + 2 dt du + (1/c)^2 du^2 = 0

    and, in addition, we have a linear invariant

    ds := dt + (1/c)^2 du.

    which may be interpreted as a "soldiering form" which ties the
    historical "flowing" time onto the space-time geometry.

    In the resulting geometry, it's *all* *four* *dimensions* which
    flow in time, not just space! It's both "block time" and "flowing
    time" at the same time. The entire block, itself, is flowing in
    time!

    To find what these things mean, consider first that these both have non-relativistic limits:

    dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 + 2 dt du = 0,
    ds = dt.

    In non-relativistic theory, by this account, it is justified to
    treat coordinate time as the "flowing" time. On account of this,
    the two may be safely confused in non-relativistic theory.

    But by stepping forward into relativity and then moving back into non-relativistic form, an extra item has cropped up that wasn't
    there before and now, suddenly, you also actually have a space-time
    metric for non-relativistic theory ... and one that morphs continuously
    into the metric for relativity by adjusting a parameter alpha from
    0 to (1/c)^2, with the generic case being

    dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 + 2 dt du + alpha du^2 and ds = dt + alpha du.

    The quadratic invariant identifies a metric that *always* has a 4+1
    signature, for *all* values of alpha.

    Second, consider what the most general linear transforms are that
    leave these invariants intact; denoting infinitesimal transforms
    by D(...):

    dx D(dx) + dy D(dy) + dz D(dz) + (dt + (1/c)^2 du) D(du) + du D(dt) = 0,
    0 = D(ds) = D(dt) + (1/c)^2 D(du).

    Substituting the second equation D(dt) = -(1/c)^2 D(du) into the
    first yields:

    dx D(dx) + dy D(dy) + dz D(dz) = -dt D(du).

    The general solution is:
    D(dx, dy, dz) = omega x (dx, dy, dz) - upsilon dt
    D(du) = upsilon . (dx, dy, dz)
    D(dt) = -alpha upsilon . (dx, dy, dz)
    where alpha is the above-mentioned parameter and the two new vectors are:

    omega = infinitesimal rotations,
    upsilon = infinitesimal boosts,
    () . () denotes 3-vector dot-product,
    () x () denotes 3-vector cross-product.

    This is the 5-dimensional representation of the Lorentz group (when
    alpha = (1/c)^2) and of the Galilei group (when alpha = 0) ... which
    *not* the Galilei group, but the Bargmann group!

    All cases are restrictions of the symmetry group SO(4,1), for the
    4+1 metric, that correspond to the little group for the linear
    invariant ds.

    Now, to determine what this means, consider how the mass (m),
    momentum (p) and kinetic energy (H) transform in non-relativistic
    theory:

    D(m) = 0, D(p) = omega x p - upsilon m, D(H) = -upsilon.p.

    Under the classical version of the correspondence rule
    p-hat = -i h-bar del, H-hat = i h-bar @/@t
    (@ denotes the curly-d partial derivative symbol)
    one has the correspondence
    p <-> -del, H <-> @/@t
    and this leads to the consideration of the corresponding one-form:
    p.dr - H dt.

    What is the transform of this?
    D(p.dr - H dt)
    = (omega x p - upsilon m).dr + p.(omega x dr - upsilon dt)
    - (-upsilon.p) dt - H (0)
    = -m (upsilon.dr)
    = -m D(du)
    = -D(m du),
    This puts the spot-light on the one-form
    p.dr - H dt + m du
    showing that it is actually an invariant.

    If we adopt these same quantities for Relativity and *continue* to
    assume that this is the case for the relativistic form, by turning
    on the parameter alpha = 0 to alpha = (1/c)^2, then the assumption
    that this be invariant leads to:

    0 = D(p.dr - H dt + m du)
    = Dp.dr + p.(omega x dr - upsilon dt)
    - DH dt - H (-alpha upsilon.dr)
    + Dm du + m (upsilon.dr)
    = (Dp - omega x p + upsilon (m + alpha H)).dr
    - (DH + upsilon.p) dt + (Dm) du
    then we obtain the following transforms
    Dp = omega x p - upsilon M
    DH = -upsilon.p
    Dm = 0
    which singles out the "moving" mass M = m + alpha H as the mass
    that goes with the momentum in the formula (momentum = mass times
    velocity). Its transform, derived from those above, is
    DM = -alpha upsilon.p
    and, as a consequence, we find the following as the two invariants
    under these transforms:

    Linear invariant: mu := M - alpha H = m,
    Quadratic invariant: lambda := p^2 + 2MH - alpha H^2 = 0.

    The coordinate u is conjugate to m and in a quantized theory, m
    would be represented as i h-bar @/@u. The coordinates (s,u), when
    used in place of (t,u) produce the one-form

    m du - H dt = m du - H (ds - alpha du) = (m + alpha H) du - H ds = M du - H ds.

    So the corresponding operator forms would be, respectively,
    M <-> i h-bar (@/@u)_s, H <-> -i h-bar (@/@s)_u.

    The energy term H - which is the relativistic form of the *kinetic*
    energy (not the total energy) is conjugate to the proper time s,
    provided that it and u be taken together as the coordinates.

    That generalizes the non-relativistic prescription of taking H to
    be the generator of "flowing time".

    This clean, continuous deformation from non-relativistic to
    relativistic form is obscured because in Relativity, one normally
    takes the *total* energy E, instead of the kinetic energy H as the
    relevant component of momentum.

    Here, that arises from the fact that the 4D sub-representation (M,p)
    of the 5D representation (M,p,H) closes under the transforms, so
    (M,p) forms a Minkowski 4-vector. M is, of course, converted to E
    by way of the equation

    E = M c^2.

    So the corresponding transforms would read:

    D(p) = -(1/c)^2 upsilon E, D(E) = -upsilon.p

    and we may find the rest-mass as the square of the "mass shell"
    invariant, which can be constructed from the quadratic invariant
    lambda and linear invariant mu as:

    mu^2 - alpha lambda
    = (M - alpha H)^2 - alpha (p^2 - 2MH + alpha H)
    = M^2 - alpha p^2
    = (E/c^2)^2 - (p/c)^2 = m^2.

    Strictly speaking, this construction goes BEYOND relativity, since
    it has 5 components. The difference can be brought out clearly by
    considering what the rest-frame form of the 5-vector (H,p,M) is in non-relativistic theory

    (H,p,M) -> (U,0,m), in the rest frame; U = internal energy.

    If we adopt the same assumption here, then the respective invariants
    would, generalize to:

    lambda = p^2 - 2MH + alpha H^2 -> 0^2 - 2mU + alpha U^2,
    mu = M - alpha H -> m - alpha U.

    The constructs of Relativity are obtained by constraining U = 0.
    The inclusion of a non-zero U corresponds to the inclusion of a 5th
    coordinate (be it s or u) and of the splitting of the energy E into
    two components: moving mass M and kinetic energy H.

    This generalization allows one to consider more general systems
    that may not have a rest-frame, and it continues to make sense in
    those context, while the notion of "rest mass" (m) no longer carries
    any meaning, except for systems whose mass shell invariant is
    non-negative M^2 >= alpha p^2 (i.e. tardions, luxons and the
    "vacuons", a.k.a. homogeneous states where M = 0, p = 0).

    For curved space-times ...

    If you repeat all of the same processes above with the Schwarzschild
    solution:

    proper time metric:
    ds^2 = dt^2 (1 + 2 alpha U)
    - alpha (dr^2/(1 + 2 alpha U) + r^2 ((d theta)^2 + (sin theta d phi)^2))
    and

    soldiering form: ds = dt + alpha du

    where U = -2GM/r is the gravitational potential of a body of mass M...

    and substitute and regularize, you obtain:

    dr^2/(1 + 2 alpha U) + r^2 ((d theta)^2 + (sin theta d phi)^2)
    + 2 dt du + alpha du^2 - 2U dt^2 = 0

    In the non-relativistic form of this - for alpha = 0 - the spatial
    coordinates reduce to Euclidean form and can be replaced by Cartesian coordinates to yield the metric:

    dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 + 2 dt du - 2U dt^2 = 0.

    The geodesics for this metric are *precisely* the motions of a body
    moving under the influence of an energy potential U per unit mass;
    i.e. moving under the influence of a potential energy in a way that
    respects the equivalence principle. For U = -GM/r, that's the field
    given by Newton's law of gravity.

    I'm not the only one doing things this way. As I discovered a short
    while ago there are these...

    5D Generalized Inflationary Cosmology
    L. Burakovsky∗ and L.P. Horwitz
    https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9508120

    Their tau is my s. They take it out to a more general context -
    curved space-times. I've toyed with this before, and they got the
    same expression (equation 2.6) as I encountered, for the 5D form
    of the radiation-dominant case of the FRW metric.

    This *might* all tie into the MacDowell-Mansouri formulation - they
    succeed in wrapping up the connection and frame field into a single
    gauge field for gravity which works whenever the cosmological
    coefficient Lambda is non-zero.

    MacDowell–Mansouri Gravity and Cartan Geometry
    Derek K. Wise
    https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0611154

    One of the reasons I say it's probably related, is because Mansouri
    is already known as one of the people involved with dealing with
    "signature changing" geometries. The FRW Big Bang metrics - especially
    the radiation dominant one - has a null surface at time t = 0 and
    its metric passes continually from one corresponding to alpha > 0
    for t > 0, to alpha = 0 at t = 0, to Euclidean 4D form alpha < 0
    at t < 0. Mansouri showed that the sectors of a signature-changing
    metric with a null initial surface can only be consistently stitched
    together under a "junction condition" that *forces* the cosmology
    to be inflationary.

    Signature Change, Inflation, and the Cosmological Constant
    Reza Mansouri and Kourosh Nozari
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9806109.pdf

    Also in the same category and potentially related:

    Particles as Wilson lines of gravitational field https://www.researchgate.net/publication/1971397_Particles_as_Wilson_lines_of_gravitational_field

    which works within the MacDowell-Mansouri gravity gauge-theory
    formulation.

    I've used this as a means to continuously deform electromagnetic
    and gauge theory from relativistic to non-relativistic form. It
    just so happens that mostly the same result of that process is
    described here:

    Galilean Geometry in Condensed Matter Systems
    Michael Geracie
    https://arxiv.org/abs/1611.01198
    (Note, particularly, the discussion of Bargmann Geometry - the
    alpha = 0 case of the geometry I described. He also associates the
    extra coordinate with mass, using M as the coordinate index.)

    Curved non-relativistic spacetimes, Newtonian gravitation and massive
    matter
    Michael Geracie, Kartik Prabhu, Matthew M. Roberts https://arxiv.org/abs/1503.02682

    also works with Bargmann geometry and the extra coordinate.

    Newton-Cartan Gravity Revisited
    Roel Andringa https://www.rug.nl/research/portal/files/34926446/Complete_thesis.pdf

    Section 4.4 deals with the Bargmann algebra. There are 11 generators.
    It may be derived as the algebra associated with the transforms of
    the coordinates that I described above:

    D(dx,dy,dz) = omega x (dx,dy,dz) - upsilon dt,
    D(dt) = -alpha upsilon.(dx,dy,dz),
    D(du) = upsilon.(dx,dy,dz).

    by integrating, which produces constants of integration:

    D(x,y,z) = omega x (x,y,z) - upsilon t + epsilon,
    Dt = -alpha upsilon.(x,y,z) + tau
    Du = upsilon.(x,y,z) + psi

    that correspond to:
    epsilon: infinitesimal spatial translations,
    tau: infinitesimal time translations,
    psi: infinitesimal translations along the u direction.

    That adds in 5 extra generators: 3 for the components of the vector,
    epsilon, and 1 each for tau and psi.

    That's in section 4.5. Their Z is my "mu".

    The attempt to use this as a device to continuously morph between
    General Relativity (suitably extended to 5D) and Newton-Cartan
    Gravity (of a Bargmann geometry) -- along with the issues that crop
    up when doing so -- is described here:

    Bargmann Structures and Newton-Cartan Theorem
    Duval, Burdet, Kuenzel, Perrin
    Physical Review D 31(8), 1985 April 15 https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.31.1841

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to rockbrentwood@gmail.com on Mon Oct 26 10:23:43 2020
    On 10/21/20 11:23 PM, rockbrentwood@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 3:36:26 AM UTC-5, PengKuan Em
    wrote:
    a) Material clock What is time? This question is tricky because in
    relativity time-rate changes when frame of reference changes.
    Time-rate changing is puzzling because it is in conflict with our
    intuition that time is the flow of ticks of clocks of which the
    mechanical structure does not change. Then how to clearly explain
    the contradiction between the constant flow of ticks delivered by
    clocks and the relativistic time dilation?

    The answer to this is simple and straightforward: "time dilation" does
    not affect any clock or any "time rate"; it only affects how a moving
    clock is OBSERVED/MEASURED from an inertial frame. The "conflict" and "contradiction" here are PengKuan Em's alone, in misunderstanding what
    "time dilation" actually is.

    [As I said earlier: It is best to avoid such wishy-washy
    phrases as "time rate". Talk instead about definite,
    unambiguous, and directly measurable quantities such as
    clock tick rates.]

    We can fix that. Make it both. A coordinate time (t) and historical
    time (s), which we'll identify as proper time. Throw it in as another coordinate too.

    That is nonsense. Attempting to use FIVE coordinates on a 4-D spacetime
    is useless. And why didn't you add a SIXTH "coordinate" in an attempt to
    deal with "length contraction"? -- after all that is essentially the
    same as "time dilation" (both are simple geometrical projections,
    differing only in orientation).

    Moreover, you use an unacknowledged PUN on "coordinate": your s, which
    you identify as proper time, is not a coordinate, and can never be one
    -- coordinates are a 1-to-1 map from a region of an N-dimensional
    manifold to a region of R^N. Proper time is path dependent and cannot
    possibly participate in such a map.

    [FYI: I put "time dilation" and "length contraction" in
    "scare quotes", because they are rather poor names for
    the actual phenomena, fostering the mistake PengKuan Em
    made above. No time actually dilates, and no length ever
    contracts, only measurements and relationships do so.]

    [...ignored: long, involved elaboration of that basic mistake]

    Tom Roberts

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