• Two real fields with bi-quadratic coupling

    From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 19 08:15:29 2020
    Is there a name for the QFT with two real fields. \psi and \phi, and interaction

    g \psi^2 \phi^2,

    where obviously g should be positive and both fields are Klein-Gordon
    fields which may or may not have mass. The descriptive name in the title
    could of course be used, but is this system known under a special name?

    (I'm interested since it looks like the simplest example of two
    interacting fields and perhaps the wave functional of its solutions
    could be visualized..)

    --
    Jos

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 20 13:06:28 2020
    Is there a name for the QFT with two real fields. \psi and \phi, and interaction

    g \psi^2 \phi^2,

    where obviously g should be positive and both fields are Klein-Gordon
    fields which may or may not have mass. The descriptive name in the title
    could of course be used, but is this system known under a special name?

    (I'm interested since it looks like the simplest example of two
    interacting fields and perhaps the wave functional of its solutions
    could be visualized..)

    --
    Jos


    [[Mod. note -- I apologise for the delay in posting this article,
    whose original date was Wednesday 2020-06-17. -- jt]]

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  • From is sad@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 10 11:20:47 2020
    Is there a name for the QFT with two real fields. \psi and \phi, and interaction

    g \psi^2 \phi^2,

    where obviously g should be positive and both fields are Klein-Gordon
    fields which may or may not have mass. The descriptive name in the title could of course be used, but is this system known under a special name?

    (I'm interested since it looks like the simplest example of two
    interacting fields and perhaps the wave functional of its solutions
    could be visualized..)

    [Moderator's note: I have added the quoted text above to supply some
    context. -P.H.]

    The subject is QFT
    And you try to understand interaction between
    the Schrödinger and the Dirac equations
    (that is hidden in the Klein-Gordon fields equation) . . .
    . . . if i understood correctly
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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to is sad on Tue Jul 14 08:03:05 2020
    [Note to moderator: this did not appear several days after posting.]

    [Moderator's note: I posted it within a few minutes of getting it.
    Maybe the previous version was lost. -P.H.]

    On 20/07/10 12:20 PM, is sad wrote:
    Is there a name for the QFT with two real fields. \psi and \phi, and
    interaction

    g \psi^2 \phi^2,

    where obviously g should be positive and both fields are Klein-Gordon
    fields which may or may not have mass. The descriptive name in the title
    could of course be used, but is this system known under a special name?

    (I'm interested since it looks like the simplest example of two
    interacting fields and perhaps the wave functional of its solutions
    could be visualized..)

    [Moderator's note: I have added the quoted text above to supply some context. -P.H.]

    The subject is QFT
    And you try to understand interaction between

    It is more about finding clear examples. Perhaps to make others
    understand, or to make ourselves understand things better, but it
    is one step earlier: it is about finding the essence, restricting
    as much as possible the number of things that actually have to be
    understood!

    the Schrödinger and the Dirac equations

    No, those are possible examples but especially the Dirac filed is
    too complicated (4 complex components, i.e. 8 real components, you
    can't easily visualize that, and you don't need that).

    (that is hidden in the Klein-Gordon fields equation) . . .
    . . . if i understood correctly

    My aim is not to see everything that is hidden in the set of fields
    of the standard model, I want a simple toy model to see how interacting
    fields can lead to matter (bound states) and subsequently to the
    perception of something approaching classical reality.

    [Obviously the system I mentioned is just one initial step, not yet
    sufficient for what I want, since it describes two repelling fields..
    Two charged fields with Maxwell interaction might be more promising,
    but that gives already 2 complex components, even in 1+1 dimensions
    where the EM field does not have free modes..]

    --
    Jos

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