• Spin radiation from a rotating dipole

    From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 22 16:54:55 2019
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Mon Dec 23 18:53:55 2019
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 24 07:49:33 2019
    вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Tue Dec 24 20:58:54 2019
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

    Aren't the Lienard-Wiechert potentials solutions to Maxwell's equations for an accelerating rigid charge? Differentiating these to get the fields then allows us to derive Lamor's formula for radiation loss.

    John McAndrew

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to john mcandrew on Wed Dec 25 09:43:51 2019
    On 19/12/25 5:58 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>>> Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

    Aren't the Lienard-Wiechert potentials solutions to Maxwell's equations for an accelerating rigid charge?

    For any charge, also if not accelerated (or not even moving).

    Differentiating these to get the fields then allows us to derive Lamor's formula for radiation loss.

    The exact results for any situation would be Jefimenko's
    equations. (Just mentioning it to please certain members
    of this newsgroup..)

    Merry Christmas,

    --
    Jos

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to john mcandrew on Wed Dec 25 10:26:12 2019
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 8:58:56 PM UTC-8, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

    Aren't the Lienard-Wiechert potentials solutions to Maxwell's equations for an accelerating rigid charge? Differentiating these to get the fields then allows us to derive Lamor's formula for radiation loss.

    John McAndrew

    Sure they were.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From benj@21:1/5 to Jos Bergervoet on Thu Dec 26 09:18:41 2019
    On 12/25/2019 3:43 AM, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/25 5:58 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch
    написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko
    wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the
    spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100
    articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the
    global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which Optik
    somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole
    http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

    Aren't the Lienard-Wiechert potentials solutions to Maxwell's
    equations for an accelerating rigid charge?

    For any charge, also if not accelerated (or not even moving).

    Differentiating these to get the fields then allows us to derive
    Lamor's formula for radiation loss.

    The exact results for any situation would be Jefimenko's
    equations. (Just mentioning it to please certain members
    of this newsgroup..)

    Merry Christmas,

    And Merry Christmass to you Jos. Love your present...although
    Jefimenko's results are basically the same thing.

    Do I detect someone has been visited by the Ghost of Jefimenko past?

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 26 06:46:26 2019
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Mitch Raemsch on Thu Dec 26 17:26:48 2019
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    John Mcandrew

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Thu Dec 26 17:32:08 2019
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:46:27 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    A rotating electric dipole obviously radiates energy-momentum since the electric charges are accelerating. Note the q^2 in Lamor's formula showing the radiation is independent of the charge's sign: P = q^2 a^2/(6 pi epsilon_0 c^3)

    I'm defining radiation here as energy-momentum propagating away from the accelerating charge to infinity, never to return to the charge as bounded energy-momentum. Maybe you're defining radiation differently as in part bounded to the accelerating charge?

    John McAndrew

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Thu Dec 26 18:59:33 2019
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:46:27 AM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    Where did you observe light coming out?
    Radiation is energy.
    How is spin like momentum?
    What is a dipole?

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to john mcandrew on Fri Dec 27 10:05:22 2019
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practicle..

    --
    Jos

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to benj on Fri Dec 27 09:55:32 2019
    On 19/12/26 3:18 PM, benj wrote:
    On 12/25/2019 3:43 AM, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/25 5:58 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 3:49:35 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>>> вторник, 24 декабря 2019 г., 5:53:57 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch
    Raemsch написал:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko
    wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the >>>>>> spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100
    articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the
    global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which Optik
    somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole
    http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    No. Charges radiating were not predicted by EM math

    Aren't the Lienard-Wiechert potentials solutions to Maxwell's
    equations for an accelerating rigid charge?

    For any charge, also if not accelerated (or not even moving).

    Differentiating these to get the fields then allows us to derive
    Lamor's formula for radiation loss.

    The exact results for any situation would be Jefimenko's
    equations. (Just mentioning it to please certain members
    of this newsgroup..)

    Merry Christmas,

    And Merry Christmass to you Jos. Love your present...although
    Jefimenko's results are basically the same thing.

    Do I detect someone has been visited by the Ghost of Jefimenko past?

    You refer to earlier discussions about 'cause and effect' but they
    are not related to the simple observation that Jefimenko's equations
    are indeed correctly describing the field of moving charges. They are
    correct for any charge distribution (for Lienard-Wiechert's equations
    the same holds of course).

    In contrast, Larmor's formula (since it is mentioned as well) only
    holds for a singe point particle and even then with some further
    restrictions (although the 'relativistic generalization' is better
    of course, but still incorrect if more than one single particle is
    present!)

    As for the earlier 'cause and effect' discussions, they are equivalent
    to the 'angels on a pin head' problem, for which the answer has been
    found in 2019, as you probably know..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyG8Vlw5aAw&t=28s

    --
    Jos

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 10:11:21 2019
    Atom is neutral

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 10:17:37 2019
    пятница, 27 декабря 2019 г., 4:32:10 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:46:27 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    A rotating electric dipole obviously radiates energy-momentum since the electric charges are accelerating. Note the q^2 in Lamor's formula showing the radiation is independent of the charge's sign: P = q^2 a^2/(6 pi epsilon_0 c^3)

    I'm defining radiation here as energy-momentum propagating away from the accelerating charge to infinity, never to return to the charge as bounded energy-momentum. Maybe you're defining radiation differently as in part bounded to the accelerating
    charge?

    John McAndrew

    I discovered a spin radiation

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 10:24:47 2019
    пятница, 27 декабря 2019 г., 5:59:34 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 6:46:27 AM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    Where did you observe light coming out?
    Radiation is energy.
    How is spin like momentum?
    What is a dipole?

    Mitchell Raemsch

    I discovered a radiation of spin, and not of energy and not of orbital angular angular momentum. I depicted the dipole in
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files
    e

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  • From benj@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Fri Dec 27 17:25:55 2019
    On 12/27/2019 1:17 PM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    пятница, 27 декабря 2019 г., 4:32:10 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:46:27 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    A rotating electric dipole obviously radiates energy-momentum since the electric charges are accelerating. Note the q^2 in Lamor's formula showing the radiation is independent of the charge's sign: P = q^2 a^2/(6 pi epsilon_0 c^3)

    I'm defining radiation here as energy-momentum propagating away from the accelerating charge to infinity, never to return to the charge as bounded energy-momentum. Maybe you're defining radiation differently as in part bounded to the accelerating
    charge?

    John McAndrew

    I discovered a spin radiation

    We are sorry Radi but your discovery does not meet our current needs and
    will not be accepted for publication...

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to benj on Fri Dec 27 15:01:53 2019
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 2:25:56 PM UTC-8, benj wrote:
    On 12/27/2019 1:17 PM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    пятница, 27 декабря 2019 г., 4:32:10 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 2:46:27 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>> I discovered the radiation of the spin, and not of the energy, by a rotating dipole

    A rotating electric dipole obviously radiates energy-momentum since the electric charges are accelerating. Note the q^2 in Lamor's formula showing the radiation is independent of the charge's sign: P = q^2 a^2/(6 pi epsilon_0 c^3)

    I'm defining radiation here as energy-momentum propagating away from the accelerating charge to infinity, never to return to the charge as bounded energy-momentum. Maybe you're defining radiation differently as in part bounded to the accelerating
    charge?

    John McAndrew

    I discovered a spin radiation

    We are sorry Radi but your discovery does not meet our current needs and will not be accepted for publication...

    How do you discover something you cannot observe?
    How do you see EM leaving anything radi?

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 17:25:12 2019
    I discovered a spin radiation

    We are sorry Radi but your discovery does not meet our current needs and
    will not be accepted for publication...

    Benj, You do not need because you cannot read.
    The corruption wall cracked for some reason. Optik has already published four articles about the spin.
    See if you can't read:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Fri Dec 27 17:39:53 2019
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 5:34:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered a spin radiation

    How do you discover something you cannot observe?
    How do you see EM leaving anything radi?

    Mitch, It's you who can’t observe the publication:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    No. Show how science can see the point of emission...
    Seeing Exactly where it comes out can't be observed.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 17:34:28 2019
    I discovered a spin radiation

    How do you discover something you cannot observe?
    How do you see EM leaving anything radi?

    Mitch, It's you who can’t observe the publication:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Jos Bergervoet on Fri Dec 27 17:28:39 2019
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:05:24 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>> Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practicle..

    This is what I had in mind, but I wouldn't want to stray too far into QM territory by resurrecting the non-radiation condition in an atom leading to then speculating on the structure of an electron 'orbiting' a nucleus. Especially when over 100 years
    later through the hard work of theoretical physicists we now have QFT. Others of course, will have their boundary for deciding when to give up on using classical EM to model a problem.

    John McAndrew

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 17:44:35 2019
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:28:40 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:05:24 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>> Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practicle..

    This is what I had in mind, but I wouldn't want to stray too far into QM territory by resurrecting the non-radiation condition in an atom leading to then speculating on the structure of an electron 'orbiting' a nucleus. Especially when over 100 years
    later through the hard work of theoretical physicists we now have QFT. Others of course, will have their boundary for deciding when to give up on using classical EM to model a problem.
    John McAndrew

    John, My dipole is not an atom. No atom rotates:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 17:53:58 2019
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:39:54 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 5:34:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered a spin radiation

    How do you discover something you cannot observe?
    How do you see EM leaving anything radi?

    Mitch, It's you who can’t observe the publication:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    No. Show how science can see the point of emission...
    Seeing Exactly where it comes out can't be observed.
    Mitchell Raemsch

    Mitchell, A rotating dipole emits circularly polarized light. It is well known

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Fri Dec 27 17:59:34 2019
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 5:53:59 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:39:54 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 5:34:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered a spin radiation

    How do you discover something you cannot observe?
    How do you see EM leaving anything radi?

    Mitch, It's you who can’t observe the publication:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    No. Show how science can see the point of emission...
    Seeing Exactly where it comes out can't be observed.
    Mitchell Raemsch

    Mitchell, A rotating dipole emits circularly polarized light. It is well known

    Yea but it is wrong. show how you have observed that point
    of emission... show it for any real emission...

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Fri Dec 27 17:57:37 2019
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 5:44:36 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:28:40 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:05:24 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote:
    On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practicle..

    This is what I had in mind, but I wouldn't want to stray too far into QM territory by resurrecting the non-radiation condition in an atom leading to then speculating on the structure of an electron 'orbiting' a nucleus. Especially when over 100 years
    later through the hard work of theoretical physicists we now have QFT. Others of course, will have their boundary for deciding when to give up on using classical EM to model a problem.
    John McAndrew

    No atom rotates:

    Earth Atoms rotate all of the time. That is its round turning motion... Wherever you are your atoms are rotating with the earth.
    Even the center atom rotates. IT turns every 24 hours...

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  • From benj@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Fri Dec 27 22:35:00 2019
    On 12/27/2019 8:25 PM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    I discovered a spin radiation

    We are sorry Radi but your discovery does not meet our current needs and
    will not be accepted for publication...

    Benj, You do not need because you cannot read.
    The corruption wall cracked for some reason. Optik has already published four articles about the spin.
    See if you can't read:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Congratulations, Radi! About time you broke through don't you think?

    I especially like you using the Jefimenko equations to get results! They
    are totally cool, no?

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Sat Dec 28 13:48:03 2019
    On 19/12/28 2:44 AM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:28:40 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:05:24 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>>>>> Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb
    See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but
    not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practical..

    This is what I had in mind, but I wouldn't want to stray too far into QM territory by resurrecting the non-radiation condition in an atom leading to then speculating on the structure of an electron 'orbiting' a nucleus. Especially when over 100 years
    later through the hard work of theoretical physicists we now have QFT. Others of course, will have their boundary for deciding when to give up on using classical EM to model a problem.
    John McAndrew

    John, My dipole is not an atom. No atom rotates:

    Perhaps you are over-simplifying things here, Radi Igorevich my friend..
    If you add a p-state and an s-state you get e lopsided electron cloud,
    which encircles the nucleus (with the frequency of the energy difference
    of course, and it emits a photon with that frequency, and then ends up
    in the s-state).

    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!

    --
    Jos

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Jos Bergervoet on Sat Dec 28 11:40:12 2019
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 4:48:05 AM UTC-8, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/28 2:44 AM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    суббота, 28 декабря 2019 г., 4:28:40 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:05:24 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/27 2:26 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 2:53:57 AM UTC, Mitch Raemsch wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:54:57 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from
    which Optik somehow fell out.
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb >>>>>> See also: Radiation damping of a rotating dipole http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=189&module=files

    Charges radiating were predicted by EM math but never observed.
    When the atom accelerates their charges inside are accelerating but >>>>> not radiating. If never observed and predicted that prediction
    has been disproven.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Interesting point, although of course the charges aren't radiating inside the atom despite being 'accelerated' by the electric field of the nucleus from a classical EM viewpoint. So I wouldn't expect them to radiate either when the whole atom is
    accelerated.

    Their radiation would cancel to a large extent if the atom is
    neutral (and if not, we should call it an ion). But still the
    atom as a whole might be an accelerated dipole, which will in
    fact radiate. Although a bit less than a net non-zero charge.

    To remain totally non-radiating (during acceleration) the
    charge must be distributed with some high degree of symmetry
    (avoiding any multipole-moment) and this symmetry has to be
    preserved during the acceleration, so you would have to apply
    forces very evenly on the whole system. This does not sound
    very practical..

    This is what I had in mind, but I wouldn't want to stray too far into QM territory by resurrecting the non-radiation condition in an atom leading to then speculating on the structure of an electron 'orbiting' a nucleus. Especially when over 100
    years later through the hard work of theoretical physicists we now have QFT. Others of course, will have their boundary for deciding when to give up on using classical EM to model a problem.
    John McAndrew

    John, My dipole is not an atom. No atom rotates:

    Perhaps you are over-simplifying things here, Radi Igorevich my friend..
    If you add a p-state and an s-state you get e lopsided electron cloud,
    --
    Jos

    How can the electron cloud "move quantum leap or transition"
    to the next orbital of the atom? No. It is not a cloud. It
    is a leaping wave-particle...

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 28 14:20:27 2019
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Sat Dec 28 15:50:19 2019
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 29 05:44:36 2019
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 29 06:11:49 2019
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Sun Dec 29 10:46:27 2019
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 6:11:50 AM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    You can define anything as you like...
    No. You then have nothing.
    How is it still like angular momentum Roy masters?

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Sun Dec 29 17:27:01 2019
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 29 20:09:58 2019
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 29 19:56:20 2019
    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    You can define anything as you like...
    No. You then have nothing.
    How is it still like angular momentum Roy masters?

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Mitchell Raemsch, I do not know Roy masters, but:
    Andrews D.L., M. Babiker (Editors) The Angular Momentum of Light (Cambrige 2013), p. 6:
    1.2.4 Spin and orbital angular momentum
    It is natural, and also essential for the purose of this book, to try to separate the angular momentum into spin and orbital parts.

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Mon Dec 30 15:22:52 2019
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 30 16:06:15 2019
    вторник, 31 декабря 2019 г., 2:22:53 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

    Dear John, sorry, You cannot use content of papers, so you focus only on the authority of the author.

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 30 17:02:10 2019
    вторник, 31 декабря 2019 г., 2:22:53 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

    Please, Look at my book http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=105&module=files
    Visible representation of exterior differential forms and pseudo forms. Electromagnetism in terms of sources and generation of fields.

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  • From benj@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Tue Dec 31 03:03:40 2019
    On 12/30/2019 8:02 PM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 31 декабря 2019 г., 2:22:53 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>>>> воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb >>>>>>>>
    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular >>>>>>> Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

    Please, Look at my book http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=105&module=files
    Visible representation of exterior differential forms and pseudo forms. Electromagnetism in terms of sources and generation of fields.

    Looks interesting but do you have it in a language I can understand?

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to john mcandrew on Tue Dec 31 12:31:18 2019
    On 19/12/31 12:22 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb >>>>>>>
    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular >>>>>> Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    Actually, there have always been some ambiguities around the
    precise definition of the conserved quantities (and not just
    angular momentum, here a random example:

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinfante%E2%80%93Rosenfeld_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor>
    )

    But AFAIK whatever you choose can be OK of you use it consistently.
    Still, in the search for the most 'elegant' formalism, alternative
    ways of doing it can be useful, I think..

    --
    Jos

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Jos Bergervoet on Tue Dec 31 14:35:18 2019
    On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:31:19 AM UTC, Jos Bergervoet wrote:
    On 19/12/31 12:22 AM, john mcandrew wrote:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote: >>>> воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb >>>>>>>
    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular >>>>>> Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    Actually, there have always been some ambiguities around the
    precise definition of the conserved quantities (and not just
    angular momentum, here a random example:

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinfante%E2%80%93Rosenfeld_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor>
    )

    But AFAIK whatever you choose can be OK of you use it consistently.
    Still, in the search for the most 'elegant' formalism, alternative
    ways of doing it can be useful, I think..

    Thanks for the link. In particular, I've found this paper by Belinfante:

    ON THE CURRENT AND THE DENSITY OF THE ELECTRIC CHARGE, THE ENERGY, THE LINEAR MOMENTUM AND THE ANGULAR MOMENTUM OF ARBITRARY FIELDS

    "$ 1. Introduction. In the present paper we shall deal with some
    problems of the general theory of fields, and in particular we shall
    discuss the definitions of the current and density of the charge,
    energy and momentum of an arbitrary field, the definition of its
    total, orbital and spin angular momenta and the continuity equations and conservation laws existing for these quantities."

    So, it appears to me that world-class theoretical physicists have already looked into this around 1940?

    I know that C Teitelboim wrote a famous paper on splitting the Maxwell tensor into bounded and radiation parts which are separately conserved. So likewise, I'd expect that the same can be done for the angular momentum, which seems to be hinted at in the
    Wikipedia link you gave where it says:

    "and so a physical interpretation of Belinfante tensor is that it includes the "bound momentum" associated with gradients of the intrinsic angular momentum. In other words, the added term is an analogue of the "bound current" J_B = curl M associated
    with a magnetization density M"

    John McAndrew

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Tue Dec 31 15:28:11 2019
    On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:06:17 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    вторник, 31 декабря 2019 г., 2:22:53 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Monday, December 30, 2019 at 4:10:00 AM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    понедельник, 30 декабря 2019 г., 4:27:03 UTC+3 пользователь john mcandrew написал:
    On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 2:11:50 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    воскресенье, 29 декабря 2019 г., 2:50:20 UTC+3 пользователь Mitch Raemsch написал:
    On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 2:20:29 PM UTC-8, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    50 days' free access https://authors.elsevier.com/a/1aFPT6wQfKoEb

    Thanks for the link. Elsevier is very generous, these days!
    -- > Jos

    Jos, Everyone can read all my publications on my site, in particular
    Spin radiation from a rotating dipole. Optik 181 (2019) 1080-1084 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=172&module=files
    Absorption of spin from an electromagnetic wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files
    Reflection of light from a moving mirror Optik 136 (2017) 503–506 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=153&module=files

    science needs to explain how spin is like angular momentum.

    Spin is angular momentum by definition of spin, but not a moment of momentum

    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

    Dear John, sorry, You cannot use content of papers, so you focus only on the authority of the author.

    Radi, I admit that the content of the papers lies outside my interest and expertise. However, further up you wrote:

    "Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out."

    My first reaction is to face-palm myself very hard, almost knocking myself out. You're supposed to be a professor within the physics department at a Russian university, specializing in aeronautical engineering, yet talking like a persecuted crackpot. IMO,
    no professor with a PhD in physics would behave like this, hence my interest in your academic background, which I suspect lies in engineering. Please don't take this as an insult because I consider you far more capable and intelligent than me otherwise.

    John McAndrew

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 2 09:18:01 2020
    Radi, in what subjects did you get your degrees in?

    I ask this because it might be you don't have even an undergraduate degree in physics. Hence you might not be aware of theoretical classical mechanics at a sufficient level that prevents you from making amateurish conclusions about physics.

    John McAndrew

    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM
    field theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    John McAndrew

    Please, Look at my book http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=105&module=files
    Visible representation of exterior differential forms and pseudo forms. Electromagnetism in terms of sources and generation of fields.

    Looks interesting but do you have it in a language I can understand?

    Benj, I'm waiting for offers to translate. Small English fragments are: Depicting of electric fields (2015), rejected by AJP, EJP http://vixra.org/abs/1507.0160?ref=8592301
    Chain of a potential electric field (2015), rejected by AJP, EJP http://viXra.org/abs/1508.0113?ref=8592326
    Field Tubes and Bisurfaces in the Electromagnetism (2005), rejected by AJP, EJP viXra:0703.0037

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 2 10:24:34 2020
    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    Actually, there have always been some ambiguities around the
    precise definition of the conserved quantities (and not just
    angular momentum, here a random example:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinfante%E2%80%93Rosenfeld_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor>
    )
    But AFAIK whatever you choose can be OK of you use it consistently.
    Still, in the search for the most 'elegant' formalism, alternative
    ways of doing it can be useful, I think..
    --
    Jos

    Jos, What is AFAIK?
    The Belinfante–Rosenfeld stress–energy tensor is neither symmetric nor conserved. It is a senseless tensor. See:
    Mechanical stresses produced by a light beam J. Modern Optics, 55, 1487-1500 (2008) http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=9&module=files
    Absorption of spin by a conducting medium AASCIT Journal of Physics. Vol. 4, No. 2, 2018, pp. 59-63 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=169&module=files , http://www.aascit.org/journal/archive2?journalId=977&paperId=6355

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 2 11:23:39 2020
    Radi, I admit that the content of the papers lies outside my interest and expertise. However, further up you wrote:

    "Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out."

    My first reaction is to face-palm myself very hard, almost knocking myself out. You're supposed to be a professor within the physics department at a Russian university, specializing in aeronautical engineering, yet talking like a persecuted crackpot.
    IMO, no professor with a PhD in physics would behave like this, hence my interest in your academic background, which I suspect lies in engineering. Please don't take this as an insult because I consider you far more capable and intelligent than me
    otherwise.

    John McAndrew

    Dear John, And what is your interest and expertise? As for “a persecuted crackpot”, it is I who persecute the Scientific Community. But the corruption wall is very strong!

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  • From john mcandrew@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Thu Jan 2 15:38:17 2020
    On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 7:23:40 PM UTC, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    Radi, I admit that the content of the papers lies outside my interest and expertise. However, further up you wrote:

    "Optik is the only journal to publish revolutionary articles on the spin of electrodynamics. ALL other journals rejected over 100 articles on this topic over 1,000 times. This demonstrates the global corruption in the Scientific Community, from which
    Optik somehow fell out."

    My first reaction is to face-palm myself very hard, almost knocking myself out. You're supposed to be a professor within the physics department at a Russian university, specializing in aeronautical engineering, yet talking like a persecuted crackpot.
    IMO, no professor with a PhD in physics would behave like this, hence my interest in your academic background, which I suspect lies in engineering. Please don't take this as an insult because I consider you far more capable and intelligent than me
    otherwise.

    John McAndrew

    Dear John, And what is your interest and expertise? As for “a persecuted crackpot”, it is I who persecute the Scientific Community. But the corruption wall is very strong!

    I have only a BEng in electronic and electrical engineering from an average UK university, and an interest in radiation reaction in classical electrodynamics, especially its historical development and the social phenomenon behind the many papers that are
    still being written on the subject even today: I find it amazing. And I don't consider myself an expert in any area of classical electrodynamics as I'm still learning!

    John McAndrew

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  • From Jos Bergervoet@21:1/5 to Radi I. Khrapko on Wed Jan 8 22:35:39 2020
    On 20/01/02 7:24 PM, Radi I. Khrapko wrote:
    John McAndrew, Many thanks for your question. You may know about me from my site: http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru

    I can't find anything on there about your academic qualifications. I'm not deliberately trying to insult you, I'm just curious about your academic background that's enabled you to confidently claim there is something wrong about conventional EM field
    theory whereas foremost theoretical physicists haven't see this before.

    Actually, there have always been some ambiguities around the
    precise definition of the conserved quantities (and not just
    angular momentum, here a random example:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinfante%E2%80%93Rosenfeld_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor>
    )
    But AFAIK whatever you choose can be OK of you use it consistently.
    Still, in the search for the most 'elegant' formalism, alternative
    ways of doing it can be useful, I think..
    --
    Jos

    Jos, What is AFAIK?

    I meant "as far as I know" <https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/AFAIK.html>

    The Belinfante–Rosenfeld stress–energy tensor is neither symmetric nor conserved. It is a senseless tensor. See:
    Mechanical stresses produced by a light beam J. Modern Optics, 55, 1487-1500 (2008) http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=9&module=files

    Which Eq. in that text is the correct spin tensor? And which
    is the sum of spin and the other angular momentum? Are they both
    symmetric?

    Absorption of spin by a conducting medium AASCIT Journal of Physics. Vol. 4, No. 2, 2018, pp. 59-63 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=169&module=files , http://www.aascit.org/journal/archive2?journalId=977&paperId=6355


    --
    Jos

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  • From Mitch Raemsch@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 8 18:28:32 2020
    Roy masters is fake light science.

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  • From Radi I. Khrapko@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 8 20:06:36 2020
    The Belinfante–Rosenfeld stress–energy tensor is neither symmetric nor conserved. It is a senseless tensor. See:
    Mechanical stresses produced by a light beam J. Modern Optics, 55, 1487-1500 (2008) http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=9&module=files

    Which Eq. in that text is the correct spin tensor? And which
    is the sum of spin and the other angular momentum? Are they both
    symmetric?
    Jos

    Jos, The canonical spin tensor is (5) and (6) of [1]. It is used in [2,3] et al. But my spin tensor (14) and (15) of [1] is valid for an oblique incidence onto a mirror [4].
    Any spin tensor is antisymmetric in two first indices.
    [1] > Mechanical stresses produced by a light beam J. Modern Optics, 55, 1487-1500 (2008) http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=9&module=files
    [2] Absorption of angular momentum of a plane wave Optik 154 (2018) 806–810 http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=161&module=files site161
    [3] Absorption of Spin by a Conducting Medium AASCIT Journal of Physics Vol. 4, No. 2, Page: 59-63 (2018) http://www.aascit.org/journal/archive2?journalId=977&paperId=6355
    [4] Spin transferred to a mirror reflecting light http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=188&module=files

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