• Re: Letter to readers for the new magnetic force law

    From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Fri Dec 15 10:40:29 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:

    Dear readers,

    I have been working on new electromagnetism since year 1997 and written
    many articles which I sent to several journals of physics for publication. But all my articles were turned down. The main reason for the rejection is that I put the Maxwell’s theory into question. Normal physicists believe that the Maxwell’s theory is flawless and think that any challenge to it
    is absurd.

    Which it is absent a repeatable experiment.

    Do you have a repeatable, peer reviewed experiment that demonstrates a
    flaw in Maxwell’s theory or are you just yet another crackpot?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Fri Dec 15 14:55:15 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 15/12/2023 à 19:40, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:

    Dear readers,

    I have been working on new electromagnetism since year 1997 and written
    many articles which I sent to several journals of physics for publication. >>> But all my articles were turned down. The main reason for the rejection is >>> that I put the Maxwell’s theory into question. Normal physicists believe >>> that the Maxwell’s theory is flawless and think that any challenge to it >>> is absurd.

    Which it is absent a repeatable experiment.

    Do you have a repeatable, peer reviewed experiment that demonstrates a
    flaw in Maxwell’s theory or are you just yet another crackpot?

    The first experiment is «Continuous rotation of a circular coil
    experiment» https://www.academia.edu/33604205/Continuous_rotation_of_a_circular_coil_experiment

    The video of this experiment is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9162Qw-wNow .
    In this video we see a round coil rotating in its plane. Because the coil
    is round the driving force must be parallel to the wire, that is, to the current. This force cannot be Lorentz force which is perpendicular to the current. A detailed technical explanation is in the paper «Showing tangential magnetic force by experiment» .

    And the peer reviews of these experiments are at?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Fri Dec 15 16:43:37 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 15/12/2023 à 23:55, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    And the peer reviews of these experiments are at?

    Not peer reviewed

    And why is that?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Sat Dec 16 08:24:57 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 01:43, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 15/12/2023 à 23:55, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    And the peer reviews of these experiments are at?

    Not peer reviewed

    And why is that?
    Because this experiment challenges Maxwell which is not allowed by any journal. So, I have put every technical detail in «Showing tangential magnetic force by experiment» https://www.academia.edu/36652163/Showing_tangential_magnetic_force_by_experiment
    http://pengkuanem.blogspot.com/2018/05/showing-tangential-magnetic-force-by.html

    for anyone who is interested to be able to repeat it.


    Get back to us when someone successfully repeats the experiment.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Sat Dec 16 11:02:11 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 17:24, Jim Pennino a écrit :

    Get back to us when someone successfully repeats the experiment.

    I’m here to inform those people who would be interested to repeat this simple experiment which will give them a benefit as huge as going to the moon, because of Maxwell.

    Yeah, right.

    What "benefit" might that be?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Sat Dec 16 11:40:34 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 20:02, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 17:24, Jim Pennino a écrit :

    Get back to us when someone successfully repeats the experiment.

    I’m here to inform those people who would be interested to repeat this >>> simple experiment which will give them a benefit as huge as going to the >>> moon, because of Maxwell.

    Yeah, right.

    What "benefit" might that be?

    To be one of those who definitely contribute to revolutionize electromagnetism.

    This is just a pile of arm waving.

    How would it "revolutionize electromagnetism"?

    What difference would it make in the real world?

    What new technology would it enable?

    You know, Quantum mechanics has not been developed by
    one person, but by Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Max Born or Erwin Schrödinger and many others.

    As can be said about just about everything from quantum mechanics to
    windshield wiper blades.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Sat Dec 16 14:03:16 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 20:40, Jim Pennino a écrit :

    This is just a pile of arm waving.

    How would it "revolutionize electromagnetism"?

    What difference would it make in the real world?

    What new technology would it enable?


    My experiment shows that a magnetic force that is parallel to the test current rotates the coil, so parallel-to-current magnetic force exists.
    But it is not described by Lorentz force law because Lorentz force is perpendicular to the test current.

    In consequence, parallel-to-current magnetic force cannot be described
    with magnetic field because Lorentz force equal the vectorial product of current I and magnetic field B. Then electromagnetism need a field that is more then B. This is a radical change in the theory of electromagnetism
    and a revolution.

    Yet more arm waving.


    As for practical applications, they will come later as technique evolves. Even Faraday did not know what would be the applications of electricity. However, I have in mind an ionic propeller for spacecraft. Ion flow is an electric current which can be pushed by parallel-to-current magnetic
    force.

    What you describe is NOT a propeller but a rocket, and ion rockets have
    been around for many decades.

    So what would change?


    Also, the magnetic confinement of plasma in Tokamak is designed with
    Lorentz force law which does not work with parallel-to-current magnetic force. But this force really matters for high temperature ions which bite into the wall. So, parallel-to-current magnetic force will surely improve
    the design and the work of nuclear fusion apparatus


    Ions which bite?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Sun Dec 17 08:56:26 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 16/12/2023 à 23:03, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:

    My experiment shows that a magnetic force that is parallel to the test
    current rotates the coil, so parallel-to-current magnetic force exists.
    But it is not described by Lorentz force law because Lorentz force is
    perpendicular to the test current.

    In consequence, parallel-to-current magnetic force cannot be described
    with magnetic field because Lorentz force equal the vectorial product of >>> current I and magnetic field B. Then electromagnetism need a field that is >>> more then B. This is a radical change in the theory of electromagnetism
    and a revolution.

    Yet more arm waving.

    I do not see what is and what is not arm waving for you. I feel that if
    the thing I say is already understood and accepted by you it is not arm waving, if you do not accept, it is arm waving. Imagine that you read the theory of relativity, the book does not arm wave, but if it is Einstein
    who tells you that time slows down and that you have no idea about relativity, then he is arm waving.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-waving:

    "Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for
    attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is often applied
    to debating techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the
    glossing over of details.[2] It is also used academically to indicate
    unproven claims and skipped steps in proofs (sometimes intentionally, as
    in lectures and instructional materials), with some specific meanings in particular fields, including literary criticism, speculative fiction, mathematics, logic, science and engineering."

    I said that parallel-to-current magnetic force exists. It is arm waving
    for you. For you to accept this idea, I have to teach the whole theory
    which cannot be done here. However, parallel-to-current magnetic force is shown by experiment and is true. I do not know how to explain it without
    you thinking I’m arm waving.

    See above.



    What you describe is NOT a propeller but a rocket, and ion rockets have
    been around for many decades.

    So what would change?

    Yes, ion rockets have been around for many decades. But ion rocket that is propelled by parallel-to-current magnetic force does not. Is internal combustion engine not new because steam engine have been around for many decades? Internal combustion engines use petrol while steam engines use steam. So, ion rocket that is propelled by parallel-to-current magnetic
    force is a new idea, although it is not sure that it will work.

    All the above blather about engines is a perfect example of arm waving.
    Nothing you said has anything whatsoever to do with a "new" theory of electromagnetics.

    Nor have you said anything about how your "new theory" ion rocket would
    be any different than conventional ion rockets.

    Also, the magnetic confinement of plasma in Tokamak is designed with
    Lorentz force law which does not work with parallel-to-current magnetic
    force. But this force really matters for high temperature ions which bite >>> into the wall. So, parallel-to-current magnetic force will surely improve >>> the design and the work of nuclear fusion apparatus


    Ions which bite?

    Yes, hot plasma melts spot of the wall of the chamber of a Tokamak.

    Melt and bite are two entirely different things.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Mon Dec 18 13:08:32 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Let us try to agree on something that is not Hand-waving. Here is my experiment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9162Qw-wNow
    The coil in this experiment rotates in its plane. Do you agree with that?

    I don't care.

    My bottom line is that if there were "other" hitherto unknown magnetic
    forces, they would be visible with iron filings on a piece of paper.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Tue Dec 19 09:07:02 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 18/12/2023 à 22:08, Jim Pennino a écrit :

    I don't care.

    My bottom line is that if there were "other" hitherto unknown magnetic
    forces, they would be visible with iron filings on a piece of paper.

    It is OK that you don’t care about my experiment and the parallel-to-current magnetic force which are the subject of our
    discussion. If someone does a thing he does not care, the thing is
    worthless for him and he waste his time in doing it. Then have you wasted your time? For what purpose?

    My bottom line is that if there were "other" magnetic forces, they
    would be visible with iron filings on a piece of paper.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Wed Dec 20 15:33:55 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 19/12/2023 à 18:07, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    My bottom line is that if there were "other" magnetic forces, they
    would be visible with iron filings on a piece of paper.

    Your bottom line has two things: magnetic forces and iron filings. So, for you iron filings defines magnetic forces, in other words, magnetic forces
    are equivalent to iron filings.

    Utter, childish, nonsense.


    Any vectorial quantities have two components: that is parallel to current
    and that is perpendicular to current. Iron filings are arranged by Lorentz force which is perpendicular to current. The component parallel to current does not act on iron filings, so you voluntarily disregard the parallel component and you choose to be blind on it.

    Gibberish.

    If your component parallel to current does not act on iron filings, then
    it will not act on anything, including ions.

    You could argue that parallel component does not exist. But, is it that
    the parallel component really does not exist in the world or your choice
    for it not to exist?

    More gibberish.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Wed Dec 20 18:48:14 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 21/12/2023 à 00:33, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 19/12/2023 à 18:07, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    My bottom line is that if there were "other" magnetic forces, they
    would be visible with iron filings on a piece of paper.

    Your bottom line has two things: magnetic forces and iron filings. So, for >>> you iron filings defines magnetic forces, in other words, magnetic forces >>> are equivalent to iron filings.

    Utter, childish, nonsense.


    Any vectorial quantities have two components: that is parallel to current >>> and that is perpendicular to current. Iron filings are arranged by Lorentz >>> force which is perpendicular to current. The component parallel to current >>> does not act on iron filings, so you voluntarily disregard the parallel
    component and you choose to be blind on it.

    Gibberish.

    If your component parallel to current does not act on iron filings, then
    it will not act on anything, including ions.

    You could argue that parallel component does not exist. But, is it that
    the parallel component really does not exist in the world or your choice >>> for it not to exist?

    More gibberish.

    You have a disrespectful manner of speaking.

    Respect is something that is earned.

    You seem like a poorly
    educated child who shouts while adult discuss issue logically with
    civility and politeness. You will be surely more angry now.

    You flatter yourself if you think your gibberish makes me angry.

    You have not yet given a direct answer to any question put to you.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Thu Dec 21 07:48:16 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 21/12/2023 à 03:48, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Respect is something that is earned.

    So, you recognize that you do not respect people who has not earned
    respect, that is, you disrespect openly almost everyone, which is exactly
    the temper you show.

    You flatter yourself if you think your gibberish makes me angry.

    You have not yet given a direct answer to any question put to you.

    When I asked you: “Here is my experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9162Qw-wNow
    The coil in this experiment rotates in its plane. Do you agree with
    that?”

    Your answer was: “I don't care”. Do you call this a direct answer?

    Yep.

    You have not yet given a direct answer to any question put to you.

    Here's a new one for you:

    According to you, your newly discovered force has no effect on iron
    filings so how could it possibly effect anything else?

    <snip remaining nonsense>

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Kuan Peng on Fri Dec 22 11:46:49 2023
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:
    Le 21/12/2023 à 16:48, Jim Pennino a écrit :
    Kuan Peng <titang78@gmail.com> wrote:

    Your answer was: “I don't care”. Do you call this a direct answer?

    Yep.

    Your “Yep” tells that you are cheating. My question was: “Do you
    agree with that?” which admits only two possible answer: Yes and No. You answered “I don't care” which is neither of them. So, you answered
    with nonsense. Suppose I ask you: “Are you dead”? You answer: “I
    don't care”. This answer is ridiculous. If you give an answer, then you
    are not dead. So, we can work out your real answer from the cheating “I don't care” which is “No, I do not agree”, that is, you think “the coil does not rotates” which is completely wrong.

    From your “Yep” you show that you have a dishonest personality and you cheat.

    All of this is just paranoid babble on your part.



    According to you, your newly discovered force has no effect on iron
    filings so how could it possibly effect anything else?


    I told you that the newly discovered force makes the coil rotate. You
    shouted back: “Nonsense”. Then no conversation is possible anymore.
    You have cut the discussion with your vulgar “nonsense, gibberish”,
    which is not contrary to your dishonest personality.

    Yes, you have said your "newly discovered force" makes a coil rotate,
    but you have also said your "newly discovered force" has no effect on
    iron filings, which is an impossible contridiction.

    Therefore your "experiment" is obviously invalid.

    And no, I have no interest in going through your obviously flawed
    "experiment" to find your error(s).

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