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    From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn@21:1/5 to 44socrat@gmail.com on Tue Jul 31 04:08:46 2018
    44socrat@gmail.com wrote:
       God particles, without Nobel Prize.  / by  Socratus /
    ==..
    To discover so-called  God - particle ( Nobel Prize in 2013)

    This is a scientific newsgroup, so we call the particle by its proper name,
    not its media-buzz name: It is the standard-model Higgs boson. (Keep in
    mind that the term “God particle” was coined by a journalist, not a scientist. A deity does not feature in the natural sciences, that is why we have them in the first place.)

    And it was the Nobel Prize *in Physics* 2013. It was NOT awarded for the discovery of the particle, but for the theories that had predicted it 60
    years earlier. (Therefore, CERN did not get a share of the prize money,
    only the media attention; not least because, by Nobel’s testament, the Nobel Prize is never awarded to institutions, only at most three individuals, and there are thousands of scientists who’s work enabled the discovery.)

    <https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2013/>

    The Belgian physicist Robert Brout who worked with François Englert independently on the same theory as Peter Higgs and others (now known as the Brout–Englert–Higgs [BEH] mechanism), would have received a third of the prize money, but he had died in 2011. So it was only shared in equal parts between Englert and Higgs.

    was needed  two conditions : deep vacuum and high energy.

    Yes, in a sense. The discovered standard-model Higgs boson has a mass of
    ca. 125 GeV∕c², so you need at least a collision energy of 125 GeV to produce *one*. In order to do that, you need high kinetic energies of the progenitor particles to collide with each other, in this case protons.

    For example, for two protons to collide and be able to produce one standard model Higgs boson, they have to have a relative speed before the collision
    of at least

    E = 2 γ m_p c² = m_H⁰ c²
    1∕√(1 − v²) = m_H⁰∕(2 m_p)
    v = c √(1 − (4 m_p²)∕(m_H⁰)²) ≈ 0.999887 c

    each, where

    E – collision/total energy
    γ – Lorentz factor (with c = 1)
    m_p – proton mass
    c – speed of light in vacuum
    m_H⁰ – mass of standard model Higgs boson
    v – relative proton speed. ∎

    The collision energies are thousands of times the energy required for one
    Higgs boson (7 TeV then, 14 TeV now) because not every proton–proton collision produces a Higgs boson. (Fortunately not, I should say, because
    if proton–proton collision would not produce unstable helium-2, which decays to deuterium, most of the time, stellar nuclear fusion would not have
    happened and we would not be here.) In fact, it is the gluons of the
    protons that have to collide: g + g → {t, b} → H⁰.

    g ..
    '':. t, b
    : `.
    : .'----- H⁰
    :.'
    g ..''

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Production>

    In order to do that, you need to produce conditions in the accelerator tubes that support those high relative proton packet speeds, i.e. there should not
    be a lot of particles in-between for them to interact with. (Calculation of the current proton packet speed using the equation above is left as an
    exercise to the reader.)

    But if the vacuum were deeper and energy were higher then
    it would be possible to discover some kind of a new God – particles.

    As for “deeper vacuum”, that is nonsense; there are limits as to the quality
    of the vacuum that can be produced in the laboratory. “Higher (collision) energy” is correct, and that is what they are working to achieve all the time. A new possibility for higher collision energies are to collide lead
    (Pb) ions instead of just protons; this can produce collision energies up
    to 1150 TeV.

    <http://cds.cern.ch/record/2255762/files/CERN-Brochure-2017-002-Eng.pdf> <https://home.cern/about/updates/2018/07/lhc-accelerates-its-first-atoms>

    Question: what is the deepest vacuum in the Universe?

    Nobody knows.

    My answer:
    the deepest  vacuum in the Universe is the cosmic zero vacuum T=0K.

    This is only true insofar as where there is no particle, the concept of temperature becomes meaningless.

    Question: what can be the highest energy?

    Very simple: Combine all the contents of the universe in one infinitesimally small point, i.e. the energy of the Big Bang.

    My answer:
    the cosmic  zero vacuum T=0K continuum is  itself  some kind
    of  infinite energy continuum.

    Not even wrong.

    Using these parameters, I say that the cosmic zero vacuum T=0K
    can create  primary God – particles and their names are
    "potential molar –masses (k) particles."

    From nonsense, anything follows.

    ==..
    Question:
    Why potential molar – masses (k) particles are primary God particles?

    That is only your fantasy. Calculate what 125 GeV∕c² is, calculate what molar masses are, and calculate the orders of magnitude in which they
    differ. IOW, shut up and calculate.

    [There is or was this poster in the CERN Main Control Room with a meme
    that says “Say ‘God Particle’ one more goddamn time” with the image of
    Samuel L. Jackson as Jules Winnfield from “Pulp Fiction” pointing a gun
    at you:


    <https://memegenerator.net/instance/22947740/jules-pulp-fiction-say-god-particle-one-more-goddamn-time>

    It should tell you something.]

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