• Perpetual motion and Quantum physics.

    From 44socrat@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 30 05:16:34 2018
    Perpetual motion and Quantum physics.
    ===
    To be true the concept of ''Perpetual motion'' must obey some physical law.
    The Classic / Newtonian physics forbids such phenomena.
    But what does Quantum physics say?
    The Quantum physics says:
    [ In 2017 new states of matter, time crystals, were discovered in which
    on a microscopic scale the component atoms are in continual repetitive motion,
    thus satisfying the literal definition of "perpetual motion".
    However, these do not constitute perpetual motion machines in the traditional sense
    or violate thermodynamic laws because they are in their quantum ground state,
    so no energy can be extracted from them; they have "motion without energy".]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

    It means that on a microscopic scale ( in their quantum ground state)
    the Quantum physics can allow "perpetual motion" as a
    "motion without energy" . . . but . . .
    . . . but then the ''zero-point energy'' comes.
    [ Vacuum energy and zero-point energy:
    In order to explain effects such as virtual particles and the Casimir effect, many formulations of quantum physics include a background energy which
    pervades empty space, known as vacuum or zero-point energy.
    The ability to harness zero-point energy for useful work
    is considered pseudoscience by the scientific community at large.
    Inventors have proposed various methods for extracting useful work
    from zero-point energy, but none have been found to be viable,
    no claims for extraction of zero-point energy have ever been validated by
    the scientific community, and there is no evidence that zero-point energy
    can be used in violation of conservation of energy.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
    # . . .
    If the ''Perpetual motion'' is true concept then the virtual particles
    must be tied with real particles (Casimir effect ) by
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    #
    ''Perpetual motion'' concept is tied with
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    ===============

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  • From margaretporat@gmail.com@21:1/5 to 44so...@gmail.com on Wed Jun 26 16:38:43 2019
    On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 3:16:35 PM UTC+3, 44so...@gmail.com wrote:
    Perpetual motion and Quantum physics.
    ===
    To be true the concept of ''Perpetual motion'' must obey some physical law. The Classic / Newtonian physics forbids such phenomena.
    But what does Quantum physics say?
    The Quantum physics says:
    [ In 2017 new states of matter, time crystals, were discovered in which
    on a microscopic scale the component atoms are in continual repetitive motion,
    thus satisfying the literal definition of "perpetual motion".
    However, these do not constitute perpetual motion machines in the traditional sense
    or violate thermodynamic laws because they are in their quantum ground state,
    so no energy can be extracted from them; they have "motion without energy".]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

    It means that on a microscopic scale ( in their quantum ground state)
    the Quantum physics can allow "perpetual motion" as a
    "motion without energy" . . . but . . .
    . . . but then the ''zero-point energy'' comes.
    [ Vacuum energy and zero-point energy:
    In order to explain effects such as virtual particles and the Casimir effect,
    many formulations of quantum physics include a background energy which pervades empty space, known as vacuum or zero-point energy.
    The ability to harness zero-point energy for useful work
    is considered pseudoscience by the scientific community at large.
    Inventors have proposed various methods for extracting useful work
    from zero-point energy, but none have been found to be viable,
    no claims for extraction of zero-point energy have ever been validated by
    the scientific community, and there is no evidence that zero-point energy
    can be used in violation of conservation of energy.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
    # . . .
    If the ''Perpetual motion'' is true concept then the virtual particles
    must be tied with real particles (Casimir effect ) by
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    #
    ''Perpetual motion'' concept is tied with
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    ===============

    motion can be vibration
    in that kind of motion
    it can be endless and with no gain or loss of energy !!!

    ATB
    Y.Porat
    ================

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  • From poraty4@gmail.com@21:1/5 to margar...@gmail.com on Mon Jul 15 16:03:56 2019
    On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 2:38:44 AM UTC+3, margar...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 3:16:35 PM UTC+3, 44so...@gmail.com wrote:
    Perpetual motion and Quantum physics.
    ===
    To be true the concept of ''Perpetual motion'' must obey some physical law. The Classic / Newtonian physics forbids such phenomena.
    But what does Quantum physics say?
    The Quantum physics says:
    [ In 2017 new states of matter, time crystals, were discovered in which
    on a microscopic scale the component atoms are in continual repetitive motion,
    thus satisfying the literal definition of "perpetual motion".
    However, these do not constitute perpetual motion machines in the traditional sense
    or violate thermodynamic laws because they are in their quantum ground state,
    so no energy can be extracted from them; they have "motion without energy".]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

    It means that on a microscopic scale ( in their quantum ground state)
    the Quantum physics can allow "perpetual motion" as a
    "motion without energy" . . . but . . .
    . . . but then the ''zero-point energy'' comes.
    [ Vacuum energy and zero-point energy:
    In order to explain effects such as virtual particles and the Casimir effect,
    many formulations of quantum physics include a background energy which pervades empty space, known as vacuum or zero-point energy.
    The ability to harness zero-point energy for useful work
    is considered pseudoscience by the scientific community at large.
    Inventors have proposed various methods for extracting useful work
    from zero-point energy, but none have been found to be viable,
    no claims for extraction of zero-point energy have ever been validated by the scientific community, and there is no evidence that zero-point energy
    can be used in violation of conservation of energy.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
    # . . .
    If the ''Perpetual motion'' is true concept then the virtual particles must be tied with real particles (Casimir effect ) by
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    #
    ''Perpetual motion'' concept is tied with
    ''The Law of conservation and transformation energy/ mass''
    ===============

    motion can be vibration
    in that kind of motion
    it can be endless and with no gain or loss of energy !!!

    ATB
    Y.Porat
    ================
    look for the
    Y circlon mechanism !
    =====
    http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
    at its appendix
    =======================
    TIA
    Y.P
    =================

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  • From David Lowrance@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 01:07:19 2019
    Perpetual motion,

    Motion that never stops. And that is what we see at every level of the universe. Nothing ever stops and nothing ever comes to rest. We take a free ride around the sun every year, and free ride around the earth every day. Each atom spins and no matter how
    we abuse it, short of a nuclear explosion, it will recover itself to the same frequency and dimension as every other atom of the same construction.

    Any person working with nuclear mass resonance or spectral identificaiton of elements, knows this.

    Where does this perpetual energy of motion come from? The question that sparks the imagination, and creates endless conflicts of theories and ideas.

    We can raise an Isotope field from a copper pipe, and it will self sustain in the air [ space ] around that pipe until we apply a take down vibration to it. This is a perpetual motion field of conical form with wide ends and compressed ends, and the
    field can be flipped over to reverse the ends.

    This field is calculated off the isotope resonance of the element, without using a magnetic field at all.

    Here is the experiment to raise a field on a copper pipe, and feel it for yourself.

    Experiment Description:

    A copper pipe or tube, length from 6 inch to about 1 foot can be used to demonstrate this effect.
    The power of this field will depend on the mass of the copper pipe.
    A coherent Isotope field will be raised up from the copper pipe, and can be felt around it.
    Two stainless steel calipers are used to inject the field on the pipe, and then to flip the field over.
    The calipers must be accurate to .01 mm.
    Once injected the field will self sustain, and must be taken down using a different caliper setting of 1/9x.
    This experiment can also be done using a special type of coil system at very low power levels.

    Here is the experiment:

    Experimental Proof of Isotope Resonance

    In order to show the calculations are sound, I am sharing a post from the V2EM site.
    SSF = Self Sustaining Field, these fields can be palmed using a finger or hand around the active metal tubes or pipes.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Setting up a conical field on copper pipes and tubes.

    Caliper => 92.71 mm

    Hold the pipe or tube with it's center of mass in the caliper gap at 90 deg, SSF comes up with wide ends of the field on the ends of the pipe [ Dual Cones ].

    Caliper 2 => 92.71 mm

    Touch both calipers to both ends of the pipe simultaneously, field flips [ Football Shape ]. Wide field at center of tube two compression nodes on each end.

    Caliper => 10.30 mm

    Touch on the compression nodes on the tube to take the field down.

    Clear out residuals using a magnet, if there are any present.

    This is but one fractal dimension that is possible, taken directly from the spreadsheets below.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Electric Field injection Electron shell vibration

    Caliper => 49.43 mm

    Touch the pipe anywhere. The field will be uniform everywhere on the copper medium, and feel electric.

    Caliper => 5.49 mm

    Touch the tube anywhere, the field should come down

    Clear any residuals with a magnet

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    If you can feel that when it goes up, and then again as it comes down, can you explain where the energy is comming from, to sustain it?

    Dave L

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  • From David Lowrance@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 01:29:33 2019
    Y.P

    I was impressed with your mental models of the atom and the way you are calculating the binding forces from the nuclear level outwards also, to the tensil strengths of the crystaline forms. Seems like a lot of intuition also as to the atoms fields of
    force.

    It's not just about electrons! Nice work and very deep thought progression.
    I was wondering where you came up with "vibration" as that is something I have been working with for mmany years now?

    I was glad to see you chose Bsmuth for one of the your examples, I use that a lot in my vibration coils.

    <http://www.resonantfractals.org/Scalar_Coil/Fundamentals_Scalar_Coils.html>

    Thanks,
    Dave L

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  • From Tom Roberts@21:1/5 to David Lowrance on Fri Jul 19 23:17:20 2019
    On 7/19/19 3:07 AM, David Lowrance wrote:
    Perpetual motion,

    Not really.

    Motion that never stops. And that is what we see at every level of
    the universe. Nothing ever stops and nothing ever comes to rest.

    To a casual observer, perhaps, but not to someone interested in the
    details and capable of looking accurately enough.

    First, "stops" is the wrong criterion. Being in a stationary state
    captures the notion of "perpetual motion" MUCH better. But no planet is
    in a stationary state, they all lose or gain minuscule amounts of
    kinetic energy. All planets will ultimately fall into the sun, if the
    solar system were to last long enough -- but it won't, because our best
    models of stellar evolution indicate the sun will run out of fuel long
    before the planets fall in.

    We
    take a free ride around the sun every year, and free ride around the
    earth every day.

    Yes. But neither of these is truly a stationary state: earth's rotation
    rate is slowing down [#], as is earth's orbital period [@]. But these
    are such small effects that one must look very carefully.

    [#] Hence the need for leap seconds roughly every 18
    months.

    [@] Gravitational radiation would make earth's orbital
    radius decrease year-to-year, but other effects are
    larger and the orbit is actually getting larger by
    about 15cm per year. This is reasonably well modeled
    as mass lost by the sun, but errorbars are large.

    Each atom spins and no matter how we abuse it, short
    of a nuclear explosion, it will recover itself to the same frequency
    and dimension as every other atom of the same construction.

    Yes. But that is because the electrons in the (stable) atom are not
    "moving", they are in stationary quantum states.

    Any person working with nuclear mass resonance or spectral
    identificaiton of elements, knows this.

    Well, yes. But this is due to stationary quantum states, not "perpetual motion".

    Where does this perpetual energy of motion come from?

    Nowhere, because there is no "perpetual motion". There are stationary
    quantum states, and non-stationary macroscopic states, neither of which involves "perpetual motion".

    [... nonsense and wild, unreasonable speculations ignored]

    Tom Roberts

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  • From David Lowrance@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 20 13:47:42 2019
    We are asked to present repeatable experiments in science, and that is what I have done for you all. It is your job to then take this and create accurate mental models to manipulate it for the use of mankind.

    The experiment I posted above is accessing the nuclear Isotope level and then extracting an energy field from it, which is self sustaining. Then for control I give the method to take the field back down. I would not have presented this publically if I
    had not found a way to control it.

    It is based on solid NMR technology structuring, and Walter Russells method of expanding that energy to bench levels using geometric 8x octaves of coupling. This is how vibration coupling is achieved for a volumetric resonance.

    The atoms in the copper show no sign of loss of energy or structure over time.

    Dave L

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