• Survey for sci.physics.foundations: infinities and infinitesimals in mo

    From Ross A. Finlayson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 4 11:39:13 2015
    We know of values in physics that besides the
    running constants of physics (that work up to
    finite bounds 1/oo and 1/0) there yet remain
    vanishing or unbounded quantities (eg, Einstein's
    cosmological constant and Planck's little c as vanishing/
    infinitesimal and Planck's big C as unbounded/infinite).

    There is normalization which is in a sense re-un-de-
    normalization (normalization is an operation following
    de-normalization), rather, unintuitively in the nomenclature.

    So I'm wondering what physicists here would make note
    and use of a system that provides a mathematical foundation
    for "real" or "concrete" (say, for scalar and gauge) infinitesimals
    and infinities as values in our formula. This is where, without
    changing the formula, augmenting the underlying mathematical
    model would automatically equip these equations with features
    in effect as would follow, for example, "discretization" of what
    is otherwise usually a model of the vector fields that are the
    mathematical, physical objects.

    I wonder this as I've found some features in effect of discretization
    that give a factor of two for a line configuration or 3/4/5 for a planar configuration, and would be looking for experiments and data as
    would correlate more neatly with having these factors to so cancel
    otherwise from their cluttered notation.

    This is my research direction: for novel mathematical features to
    so equip extant physical models, for the resulting features in effect
    in mathematical physics to highlight hypothetical corrections in
    the interpretation of configuration of experiment.

    So, and I'll thank you, it would be of interest that interested
    physicists here might note such examples as may otherwise
    be explained these days, of configurations demanding integer
    factors of what is otherwise about the continuous and discrete, or the measurement/observer effect(s) as about "numbering" for
    "counting".

    Also I'd be interested in direct or apocryphal results as of the
    path integral of the travel of particles, with regards to usual
    terms in the fitting models seeing various integer factors
    introduced in various configurations and energies of
    experiment.

    There are also a variety of central and fundamental simple
    features of statistics in probability that may be so founded.

    Good day, Ross Finlayson, B.S. Mathematics, USA

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  • From hans.van.leunen78@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 5 11:48:00 2015
    Op woensdag 4 november 2015 18:40:03 UTC+1 schreef Ross A. Finlayson:
    We know of values in physics that besides the
    running constants of physics (that work up to
    finite bounds 1/oo and 1/0) there yet remain
    vanishing or unbounded quantities (eg, Einstein's
    cosmological constant and Planck's little c as vanishing/
    infinitesimal and Planck's big C as unbounded/infinite).

    There is normalization which is in a sense re-un-de-
    normalization (normalization is an operation following
    de-normalization), rather, unintuitively in the nomenclature.

    So I'm wondering what physicists here would make note
    and use of a system that provides a mathematical foundation
    for "real" or "concrete" (say, for scalar and gauge) infinitesimals
    and infinities as values in our formula. This is where, without
    changing the formula, augmenting the underlying mathematical
    model would automatically equip these equations with features
    in effect as would follow, for example, "discretization" of what
    is otherwise usually a model of the vector fields that are the
    mathematical, physical objects.

    I wonder this as I've found some features in effect of discretization
    that give a factor of two for a line configuration or 3/4/5 for a planar configuration, and would be looking for experiments and data as
    would correlate more neatly with having these factors to so cancel
    otherwise from their cluttered notation.

    This is my research direction: for novel mathematical features to
    so equip extant physical models, for the resulting features in effect
    in mathematical physics to highlight hypothetical corrections in
    the interpretation of configuration of experiment.

    So, and I'll thank you, it would be of interest that interested
    physicists here might note such examples as may otherwise
    be explained these days, of configurations demanding integer
    factors of what is otherwise about the continuous and discrete, or the measurement/observer effect(s) as about "numbering" for
    "counting".

    Also I'd be interested in direct or apocryphal results as of the
    path integral of the travel of particles, with regards to usual
    terms in the fitting models seeing various integer factors
    introduced in various configurations and energies of
    experiment.

    There are also a variety of central and fundamental simple
    features of statistics in probability that may be so founded.

    Good day, Ross Finlayson, B.S. Mathematics, USA

    Dear Ross,
    May be you can find some interesting views in the paper "On the Origins of Physical Fields",http://vixra.org/abs/1511.0007 ,which goes deep into the foundations of how reality might use number systems and differential calculus.

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  • From Ross A. Finlayson@21:1/5 to hans.van...@gmail.com on Fri Nov 6 01:34:06 2015
    On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:50:06 AM UTC-8, hans.van...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op woensdag 4 november 2015 18:40:03 UTC+1 schreef Ross A. Finlayson:
    We know of values in physics that besides the
    running constants of physics (that work up to
    finite bounds 1/oo and 1/0) there yet remain
    vanishing or unbounded quantities (eg, Einstein's
    cosmological constant and Planck's little c as vanishing/
    infinitesimal and Planck's big C as unbounded/infinite).

    There is normalization which is in a sense re-un-de-
    normalization (normalization is an operation following
    de-normalization), rather, unintuitively in the nomenclature.

    So I'm wondering what physicists here would make note
    and use of a system that provides a mathematical foundation
    for "real" or "concrete" (say, for scalar and gauge) infinitesimals
    and infinities as values in our formula. This is where, without
    changing the formula, augmenting the underlying mathematical
    model would automatically equip these equations with features
    in effect as would follow, for example, "discretization" of what
    is otherwise usually a model of the vector fields that are the mathematical, physical objects.

    I wonder this as I've found some features in effect of discretization
    that give a factor of two for a line configuration or 3/4/5 for a planar configuration, and would be looking for experiments and data as
    would correlate more neatly with having these factors to so cancel otherwise from their cluttered notation.

    This is my research direction: for novel mathematical features to
    so equip extant physical models, for the resulting features in effect
    in mathematical physics to highlight hypothetical corrections in
    the interpretation of configuration of experiment.

    So, and I'll thank you, it would be of interest that interested
    physicists here might note such examples as may otherwise
    be explained these days, of configurations demanding integer
    factors of what is otherwise about the continuous and discrete, or the measurement/observer effect(s) as about "numbering" for
    "counting".

    Also I'd be interested in direct or apocryphal results as of the
    path integral of the travel of particles, with regards to usual
    terms in the fitting models seeing various integer factors
    introduced in various configurations and energies of
    experiment.

    There are also a variety of central and fundamental simple
    features of statistics in probability that may be so founded.

    Good day, Ross Finlayson, B.S. Mathematics, USA

    Dear Ross,
    May be you can find some interesting views in the paper "On the Origins of Physical Fields",http://vixra.org/abs/1511.0007 ,which goes deep into the foundations of how reality might use number systems and differential calculus.


    Beginning to read. http://vixra.org/abs/1511.0007
    Quotes follow from your paper.

    Looking to follow "The type of the point- like object
    corresponds to the type of the controlling mechanism. "

    Most of this development is initially familiar as Cartesian
    and Cartanian (Cartanian as super-Cartesian).

    "The difference originates from the artifacts that cause the
    discontinuities of the fields. " ... "Since the elementary point-
    like objects reside inside their individual symmetry center, the
    embedding continuum will also be affected by what happens to
    the symmetry centers."

    These seem significant touchstones of the development.

    "Apart from the way that they are affected by point-like artifacts
    that disrupt the continuity of the field, both fields obey, under not
    too violent conditions and over not too large ranges, the same
    differential calculus. However, especially field 𝔄 is known to show
    wave behavior that cannot properly be described by quaternionic
    differential calculus. For that reason we will also investigate what
    a change of parameter space brings for the defining functions of
    the basic fields 𝔄 and β„­ ."

    Section 10 "Regeneration and detection" seems particularly relevant
    to effects of discretization, eg as of measurement/observer effects
    and as so correlating otherwise with systematic effect.

    "A virtual map images the completely regeneration set {π‘Žπ‘–π‘₯} onto parameter space β„›β“ͺ. This involves the reordering from the stochastic generation order to the ordering of this new parameter space. This first
    map turns the location swarm into the eigenspace of a virtual operator 𝒷.
    A continuous location density distribution πœ‰(π‘ž) describes the virtual map of the swarm into parameter space β„œβ“ͺ. Actually each element of the
    original swarm is embedded into the deformable embedding continuum
    β„­ where that element is blurred with the Green’s function of this embedding continuum. This indirectly converts the operator β„΄, which describes the regeneration in the symmetry center 𝕾π‘₯ into a differently ordered operator
    πœ‰ that resides in the Gelfand triple β„‹. The defining function πœ‰(π‘ž) of operator
    πœ‰ describes the triggers in the non- homogeneous quaternionic second order partial differential equation, which describes the embedding behavior of β„­. "

    Section 11 "Photons" describes some features of _configuration of experiment_, vis-a-vis usual running constants as of _energy of experiment_.

    "In his paper β€œOn the Origin of Inertia”, Denis Sciama used the idea of Mach in
    order to construct the rather flat field that results from uniformly distributed
    charges [10]. He then uses the constructed field in order to generate the vector
    potential, which is experienced by the uniformly moving observer. Here we use the embedding field as the rather flat background field. "


    From S.13 "Conclusion": "This indicates that elementary particles inherit these
    properties from the space in which they reside" in "distinguish[ing] between Cartesian ordering and spherical ordering [and] reveal[ing] that these ordered versions of the number systems exist in several distinct symmetry flavors."

    Thank you, thank you very much, I think that's relevant and have some foundational
    support from mathematics to directly declare some of these features as then may be
    useful for you.

    You might indicate some examples of where your design is better than others, or where it is particular in the modelling of otherwise noisy data.

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  • From Hans Van Leunen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 5 12:16:41 2016
    Op woensdag 4 november 2015 18:40:03 UTC+1 schreef Ross A. Finlayson:
    We know of values in physics that besides the
    running constants of physics (that work up to
    finite bounds 1/oo and 1/0) there yet remain
    vanishing or unbounded quantities (eg, Einstein's
    cosmological constant and Planck's little c as vanishing/
    infinitesimal and Planck's big C as unbounded/infinite).

    There is normalization which is in a sense re-un-de-
    normalization (normalization is an operation following
    de-normalization), rather, unintuitively in the nomenclature.

    So I'm wondering what physicists here would make note
    and use of a system that provides a mathematical foundation
    for "real" or "concrete" (say, for scalar and gauge) infinitesimals
    and infinities as values in our formula. This is where, without
    changing the formula, augmenting the underlying mathematical
    model would automatically equip these equations with features
    in effect as would follow, for example, "discretization" of what
    is otherwise usually a model of the vector fields that are the
    mathematical, physical objects.

    I wonder this as I've found some features in effect of discretization
    that give a factor of two for a line configuration or 3/4/5 for a planar configuration, and would be looking for experiments and data as
    would correlate more neatly with having these factors to so cancel
    otherwise from their cluttered notation.

    This is my research direction: for novel mathematical features to
    so equip extant physical models, for the resulting features in effect
    in mathematical physics to highlight hypothetical corrections in
    the interpretation of configuration of experiment.

    So, and I'll thank you, it would be of interest that interested
    physicists here might note such examples as may otherwise
    be explained these days, of configurations demanding integer
    factors of what is otherwise about the continuous and discrete, or the measurement/observer effect(s) as about "numbering" for
    "counting".

    Also I'd be interested in direct or apocryphal results as of the
    path integral of the travel of particles, with regards to usual
    terms in the fitting models seeing various integer factors
    introduced in various configurations and energies of
    experiment.

    There are also a variety of central and fundamental simple
    features of statistics in probability that may be so founded.

    Good day, Ross Finlayson, B.S. Mathematics, USA

    The considered paper is a report of an ongoing research project. The author (me) will regularly update the papers and when the number of revisions becomes rather high, then a new paper is written with a new title. The current paper is called "The Hilbert
    Book Test Model" ; http://vixra.org/abs/1603.0021
    I mostly write these papers in order to order my ideas and in order to support discussions.

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