• Against subjectivism

    From M Winther@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 17 08:21:14 2016
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    Science has proved that what we perceive has objective grounds. The
    conclusion is that there is no radical alterity of inner and outer
    worlds. They are not disparate realities. Cartesius argued that it is
    the mind that we know, but not the external world (cogito ergo sum).
    This is the Cartesian heritage that has caused the derailment of Western philosophy into subjectivism.

    These old subjectivistic philosophers, Descartes, Hume, and Kant, erred
    in postulating that the hidden natures of objects, i.e. their unknown
    capacity to produce sensible effect, must be perceptible in themselves.
    Since they believed that all knowledge is limited to appearances, they
    made the conclusion that the true properties of objects are, per
    definition, unknowable. Thus, they concluded that perceived regularities
    of nature must have a subjective origin. Kant says:

    "Natural science will never reveal to us the internal constitution of
    things, which though not appearance, yet can serve as the ultimate
    ground of explaining appearance." (Prolegomena, sect.57)

    Science has refuted this belief. Through experiment, we may acquire
    knowledge that transcends experience. Although we cannot perceive the
    molecules or atoms that vibrate in a heated object, we may prove their existence experimentally and theoretically. Thus, science has
    established the causal ground for the perception of heat. Scientific developments, since Kant, has been overwhelming. Today we have acquired
    vast knowledge of matter, which transcends our everyday senses. So we
    know today that perceived regularities of nature have an objective
    origin, which necessitates some form of realist epistemology.

    Mats Winther
    http://two-paths.com

    Recommended reading:

    'The Waning of the Light: The Eclipse of Philosophy'.
    Richard H. Schlagel http://www.jstor.org/stable/20131940?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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  • From M Winther@21:1/5 to M Winther on Sat Jan 23 20:24:36 2016
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    (Continued...)

    Science is not dependent upon the perceptible. Much of the things
    central to science cannot be experienced as such, e.g., quantum
    phenomena, superstrings, 4-dimensional space-time, warped space,
    molecular motion, etc.

    So we know today that Kant was wrong in concluding that science depends
    on categories of experience. He believed that science was only about
    that which can be experienced. But science has gone way beyond that. The
    hidden natures of objects, i.e. their unknown capacity to produce
    sensible effect, needn't be perceptible in themselves. Instead, such
    factors are understood mathematically. Thus, we may find out the laws of matter, and we may verify these laws. Today, we know the principles of
    the invisible quantum world much better than we understand our everyday
    world, and decidedly better than we understand ourselves.

    We have certain knowledge about hidden imperceptible nature to the
    extent that we can make marvelous and perfect predictions about the
    outcome of experiments. Evidently, we have precise knowledge about the
    black box. It never occurred to Kant that physical things conform to
    laws of their own. The reason is that Kant had postulated that any
    knowledge transcending experience was unthinkable. Thus, we cannot know anything about the black box. Accordingly, he concludes that causal
    effect follows not from the inner nature of things but from the nature
    of mind. Kant says in the Prolegomena:

    "Sect. 29... [If] the sun shines long enough upon a body, it grows warm.
    Here there is indeed as yet no necessity of connection, or concept of
    cause. But I proceed and say, that if this proposition, which is merely
    a subjective connection of perceptions, is to be a judgment of
    experience, it must be considered as necessary and universally valid.
    Such a proposition would be, II the sun is by its light the cause of
    heat." The empirical rule is now considered as a law, and as valid not
    merely of appearances but valid of them for the purposes of a possible experience which requires universal and therefore necessarily valid
    rules. I therefore easily comprehend the concept of cause, as a concept necessarily belonging to the mere form of experience, and its
    possibility as a synthetical union of perceptions in consciousness
    generally; but I do not at all comprehend the possibility of a thing
    generally as a cause, because the concept of cause denotes a condition
    not at all belonging to things, but to experience. It is nothing in fact
    but an objectively valid cognition of appearances and of their
    succession, so far as the antecedent can be conjoined with the
    consequent according to the rule of hypothetical judgments.

    Sect. 30. Hence if the pure concepts of the understanding do not refer
    to objects of experience but to things in themselves (noumena), they
    have no signification whatever. They serve, as it were, only to decipher appearances, that we may be able to read them as experience. The
    principles which arise from their reference to the sensible world, only
    serve our understanding for empirical use. Beyond this they are
    arbitrary combinations, without objective reality, and we can neither
    know their possibility a priori, nor verify their reference to objects,
    let alone make it intelligible by any example; because examples can only
    be borrowed from some possible experience, consequently the objects of
    these concepts can be found nowhere but in a possible experience."
    (Kant, Prolegomena, sect.29-30)

    But today we know that the cause of heat really belongs to the stone,
    because electromagnetic radiation gives rise to atomic kinetic motion.
    Kant, however, since he thinks it is a black box whose content cannot be
    known, calls it the 'noumenon' or 'thing-in-itself'. This has no
    signification, he argues, because it cannot be made intelligible.
    Instead he concludes that it is all in the mind's eye, in the
    experiencing subject. In fact, science has made intelligible the hotness
    of the stone. We understand it much better than we understand a little
    ant in an anthill.

    So Kant's philosophical card house builds on unfounded premises,
    postulates which have been refuted. Upon such faulty premises he has constructed his theory. But if the premises are false, the whole theory
    is faulty, and thus it is quite useless. It is time that philosophers
    realize this. It is no use beating this dead horse anymore!

    Mats Winther
    http://two-paths.com



    On 17/01/2016 08:21, M Winther wrote:
    Science has proved that what we perceive has objective grounds. The conclusion is that there is no radical alterity of inner and outer
    worlds. They are not disparate realities. Cartesius argued that it is
    the mind that we know, but not the external world (cogito ergo sum).
    This is the Cartesian heritage that has caused the derailment of Western philosophy into subjectivism.

    These old subjectivistic philosophers, Descartes, Hume, and Kant, erred
    in postulating that the hidden natures of objects, i.e. their unknown capacity to produce sensible effect, must be perceptible in themselves. Since they believed that all knowledge is limited to appearances, they
    made the conclusion that the true properties of objects are, per
    definition, unknowable. Thus, they concluded that perceived regularities
    of nature must have a subjective origin. Kant says:

    "Natural science will never reveal to us the internal constitution of things, which though not appearance, yet can serve as the ultimate
    ground of explaining appearance." (Prolegomena, sect.57)

    Science has refuted this belief. Through experiment, we may acquire knowledge that transcends experience. Although we cannot perceive the molecules or atoms that vibrate in a heated object, we may prove their existence experimentally and theoretically. Thus, science has
    established the causal ground for the perception of heat. Scientific developments, since Kant, has been overwhelming. Today we have acquired
    vast knowledge of matter, which transcends our everyday senses. So we
    know today that perceived regularities of nature have an objective
    origin, which necessitates some form of realist epistemology.

    Mats Winther
    http://two-paths.com

    Recommended reading:

    'The Waning of the Light: The Eclipse of Philosophy'.
    Richard H. Schlagel http://www.jstor.org/stable/20131940?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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