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Will we have yet another stampede down the Odessa Steps?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxaefqC-k90&t=274s

Partisan warfare is in Ukrainians' DNA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8ylb3cN0U

Be sure to remind your comrades to bring along the portable crematoria like last time:

..."Russia has reportedly resorted to burning the bodies of Russian military personnel on the spot to quell suspicion and avoid any scrutiny that might
come with shipping the soldiers' corpses back to a country that has denied deploying them in the first place.": http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efe_1410266111 (dead link)

Reminds me of how the Czarists had the skeletal remains of thousands of
Crimean War dead ground up for bone meal fertilizer... -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Putin is going to extreme lengths to hide Russian soldiers who are dying
while fighting in Ukraine

NATASHA BERTRAND
MAY 26, 2015

Russia is using crematoriums on wheels to burn the bodies of its soldiers
who die fighting alongside pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine, Bloomberg's Josh Rogin reports.

“The Russians are trying to hide their casualties by taking mobile crematoriums with them,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry told Rogin. “They are trying to hide not only from the world but from the Russian people their involvement.”

The mobile crematoriums — which burn about eight to 10 bodies a day, according to Ukraine security service chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko — reveal how far Russia is willing to go to hide its military presence in the war.

"Every day, the hotline of the Security Service of Ukraine records a great
of number of calls from dozens of Russian citizens who are looking for their relatives or Russian soldiers who have been sent to the territory of
Ukraine," Nalyvaichenko said in January.

The Kremlin has denied involvement in Ukraine ever since Russian special
forces occupied the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea in February 2014.

"Russian leaders are less and less able to conceal the fact that Russian soldiers are fighting — and dying — in large numbers in eastern Ukraine," NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow told a conference in Latvia
in March.

The Russian public has become increasingly disillusioned with the country's incursion into Ukraine, especially as reports continue to emerge about
"secret funerals" of Russian soldiers killed in the war the Kremlin denies, Anna Nemstova reported in Newsweek in September.

“I never volunteered for this; but any attempts to quit would be useless," a young Russian officer told Newsweek. "They are sending us back to the meat grinder tomorrow; if somebody told me earlier about the truth, none of us
would have signed up for $1,000 a month to get fried alive in Ukraine."

Russia has reportedly resorted to burning the bodies of Russian military personnel on the spot to quell suspicion and avoid any scrutiny that might
come with shipping the soldiers' corpses back to a country that has denied deploying them in the first place.

The fact that Russian soldiers have been caught in Ukrainian territory more than once contradicts the Kremlin's claims that Russian regular forces have never been involved in the conflict.

Nine soldiers identifying themselves as members of Russia's airborne
division were captured by Ukrainian forces back in August, and one of two Russian servicemen captured earlier this month in eastern Ukraine admitted
to his captors that he had been part of a Russian special forces spying
mission operating near the Ukrainian border town of Luhansk.

The Kremlin addressed these incidents by saying that any Russians caught fighting in Ukraine were either border patrol agents that had accidentally wandered into Ukrainian territory, or citizens who had traveled there of
their own volition. But Russian soldiers, and their families, have
repeatedly challenged this claim.

In challenging Putin's narrative, some activists in Russia and Ukraine have been closely monitoring the death toll of Russian military personnel
fighting in Ukraine.

A report released on May 12 by allies of the slain Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov estimated that 200 Russian soldiers died fighting alongside Ukrainian separatists between August 2014-February 2015. Their families, the report alleges, were paid 2 million rubles ($39,000) by the Kremlin to keep quiet about how their loved ones died.

Mothers and fathers who were told their sons were being drafted to serve in
the southern Russian region of Rostov — and then quickly lost contact with them — began soliciting the help of Russia’s famous Soldiers’ Mothers Committee, led by Valentina Melnikova, back in August, when 150 Russian
troops were reportedly killed in an offensive, Nemstova reported in the
Daily Beast.

Pro Russia Military Vehicles Tanks Donetsk UkraineMstyslav Chernov/AP Pro-Russian rebel military vehicles convoy move towards Donetsk , Eastern Ukraine on Nov. 10, 2014. On Saturday, AP reporters saw scores of unmarked military vehicles moving in Ukraine.

The relatives who contacted Melnikova's office appeared determined to travel from Russia to Ukraine to look for their boys, Melnikova said, "the way relatives previously looked for their children in Afghanistan, Karabakh and Chechnya."

"Putin is violating not only international laws, not only the Geneva Convention, [he] also is breaking Russian Federation law about defense,” Melnikova told The Daily Beast, “and as for Vladimir Shamanov [commander-in-chief of the Russian airborne troops] ... he forces his servicemen to fight in a foreign state, Ukraine, illegally, while mothers receive coffins with their sons, anonymously."

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-using-mobile-crematoriums-in-ukraine-2015-5

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