• A Quora about Taiwan

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 29 09:03:43 2021
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam

    (I do not know what is the truth.
    I do know that if they in Taiwan are not real
    serious about fighting for their 'freedom' and
    small, more open democracy, I'm sure not in favor
    of the US doing any fighting.)

    Michael Ciao
    Business Owner Investor (1977–present) Mon

    WSJ reports that Taiwan has poor preparation and low morale among the
    roughly 80,000 Taiwan soldiers and 2 million reservists against China's possible siege of it. If so, can the US engage to save Taiwan from China
    like it did for South Korea?
    I am a former Taiwan army officer, it is true, they don’t want to fight anybody, there is no desire to die for it. Most of the soldiers will run
    for the hills or go home.

    It is an American war, they don’t want to die for the Americans and
    destroy their homes. Let Americans go fight the war in someone else’s homeland. They are not stupid.

    Most Taiwanese have been to China, they know when China takes over, life
    will go on as usual.

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    Lim Kok Auun
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    Lim Kok Auun
    Those self serving Taiwanese politicians want US involvement and at the
    same time allowed themselves to be used by US to fight a war with China.

    US enjoys it because all cost is borned by Taiwan in the billions.
    Taiwan self serving politicians get some change while soldiers are
    expected to die for them.

    They are treating the rest of Taiwan as stupid fools.


    Richard Yang
    Why then they voted for these DPP separatists? TAIWANESE biggest trade
    partner is Mainland China. Being part of China means all the perks of
    selling Taiwanese goods as domestic ones to Mainland. They should use
    common sense and vote only the pro unification politicians.

    NOTHING GOOD FOR TAIWAN and TAIWANESE to get full legal divorce from PRC
    to be the next slave and colony of USA and Japan.

    Losing access to 1.4 billions domestic market is too much.


    Wally Yap
    Please tell this to your puppet of the US, President Tsai Ing-wen. No
    Taiwanese should die in a fruitless war. Do not be fooled by the Americans,despite their assurance of military commitment.Yes,the US will probably provide the armaments but don’t expect it to be physically
    engaged. The Americans will be sitting on the side lines enjoying the show,watching the Chinese destroying each other.

    The Civil War ended in 1949,more than seven decades ago. Most of those
    who had fought in that war,have passed away.To most of the current generation,the Civil War is but an ugly blight in China’s history.

    What can Taiwan gain in a war with China? It is time for a
    reconciliation, to allow the younger generation a peaceful existence,not
    have the specter of war hanging over their heads.

    Eric Blanton
    Is that so? This is not an American war, except in the sense that we
    support those who are being abused by tyrants. If you don’t care about
    your freedom, then you deserve CCP rule. America should not help those
    who will not help themselves. China can be defeated by other means than
    the 1st Island chain.

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  • From redvet666@gmail.com@21:1/5 to a425couple@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 29 13:12:06 2021
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam

    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:03:43 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    (I do not know what is the truth.
    I do know that if they in Taiwan are not real
    serious about fighting for their 'freedom' and
    small, more open democracy, I'm sure not in favor
    of the US doing any fighting.)

    Michael Ciao
    Business Owner Investor (1977–present) Mon

    WSJ reports that Taiwan has poor preparation and low morale among the
    roughly 80,000 Taiwan soldiers and 2 million reservists against China's >possible siege of it. If so, can the US engage to save Taiwan from China
    like it did for South Korea?
    I am a former Taiwan army officer, it is true, they don’t want to fight >anybody, there is no desire to die for it. Most of the soldiers will run
    for the hills or go home.

    It is an American war, they don’t want to die for the Americans and
    destroy their homes. Let Americans go fight the war in someone else’s >homeland. They are not stupid.

    Most Taiwanese have been to China, they know when China takes over, life
    will go on as usual.

    21.6K viewsView 482 upvotesView shares
    65 comments from
    Lim Kok Auun
    and more

    Lim Kok Auun
    Those self serving Taiwanese politicians want US involvement and at the
    same time allowed themselves to be used by US to fight a war with China.

    US enjoys it because all cost is borned by Taiwan in the billions.
    Taiwan self serving politicians get some change while soldiers are
    expected to die for them.

    They are treating the rest of Taiwan as stupid fools.


    Richard Yang
    Why then they voted for these DPP separatists? TAIWANESE biggest trade >partner is Mainland China. Being part of China means all the perks of
    selling Taiwanese goods as domestic ones to Mainland. They should use
    common sense and vote only the pro unification politicians.

    NOTHING GOOD FOR TAIWAN and TAIWANESE to get full legal divorce from PRC
    to be the next slave and colony of USA and Japan.

    Losing access to 1.4 billions domestic market is too much.


    Wally Yap
    Please tell this to your puppet of the US, President Tsai Ing-wen. No >Taiwanese should die in a fruitless war. Do not be fooled by the >Americans,despite their assurance of military commitment.Yes,the US will >probably provide the armaments but don’t expect it to be physically
    engaged. The Americans will be sitting on the side lines enjoying the >show,watching the Chinese destroying each other.

    The Civil War ended in 1949,more than seven decades ago. Most of those
    who had fought in that war,have passed away.To most of the current >generation,the Civil War is but an ugly blight in China’s history.

    What can Taiwan gain in a war with China? It is time for a
    reconciliation, to allow the younger generation a peaceful existence,not
    have the specter of war hanging over their heads.

    Eric Blanton
    Is that so? This is not an American war, except in the sense that we
    support those who are being abused by tyrants. If you don’t care about
    your freedom, then you deserve CCP rule. America should not help those
    who will not help themselves. China can be defeated by other means than
    the 1st Island


    a425couple, as you know our ablity to prop up quislings has been, uh,
    lets say 'checkered' . Tawian is an outlaw province of china. It is no
    more an independent nation than the vassel states of Mexico or Canada.

    If we "defend Tawian" it won't be a' draw' like Korea but it will just
    mean we're 0/3.

    "Wally Yap
    Please tell this to your puppet of the US, President Tsai Ing-wen. No >Taiwanese should die in a fruitless war. Do not be fooled by the >Americans,despite their assurance of military commitment.Yes,the US will >probably provide the armaments but don’t expect it to be physically
    engaged. The Americans will be sitting on the side lines enjoying the >show,watching the Chinese destroying each other."

    redvet
    Facilitator
    Hawaii LP
    Vietnam Vieterns Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
    https://vvawai.org/

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to redvet666@gmail.com on Mon Nov 1 14:36:39 2021
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam

    On 10/29/2021 4:12 PM, redvet666@gmail.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:03:43 -0700, a425couple
    <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    (I do not know what is the truth.
    I do know that if they in Taiwan are not real
    serious about fighting for their 'freedom' and
    small, more open democracy, I'm sure not in favor
    of the US doing any fighting.)

    Michael Ciao
    Business Owner Investor (1977–present) Mon

    WSJ reports that Taiwan has poor preparation and low morale among the
    roughly 80,000 Taiwan soldiers and 2 million reservists against China's
    possible siege of it. If so, can the US engage to save Taiwan from China
    like it did for South Korea?
    I am a former Taiwan army officer, it is true, they don’t want to fight
    anybody, there is no desire to die for it. Most of the soldiers will run
    for the hills or go home.

    It is an American war, they don’t want to die for the Americans and
    destroy their homes. Let Americans go fight the war in someone else’s
    homeland. They are not stupid.

    Most Taiwanese have been to China, they know when China takes over, life
    will go on as usual.

    21.6K viewsView 482 upvotesView shares
    65 comments from
    Lim Kok Auun
    and more

    Lim Kok Auun
    Those self serving Taiwanese politicians want US involvement and at the
    same time allowed themselves to be used by US to fight a war with China.

    US enjoys it because all cost is borned by Taiwan in the billions.
    Taiwan self serving politicians get some change while soldiers are
    expected to die for them.

    They are treating the rest of Taiwan as stupid fools.


    Richard Yang
    Why then they voted for these DPP separatists? TAIWANESE biggest trade
    partner is Mainland China. Being part of China means all the perks of
    selling Taiwanese goods as domestic ones to Mainland. They should use
    common sense and vote only the pro unification politicians.

    NOTHING GOOD FOR TAIWAN and TAIWANESE to get full legal divorce from PRC
    to be the next slave and colony of USA and Japan.

    Losing access to 1.4 billions domestic market is too much.


    Wally Yap
    Please tell this to your puppet of the US, President Tsai Ing-wen. No
    Taiwanese should die in a fruitless war. Do not be fooled by the
    Americans,despite their assurance of military commitment.Yes,the US will
    probably provide the armaments but don’t expect it to be physically
    engaged. The Americans will be sitting on the side lines enjoying the
    show,watching the Chinese destroying each other.

    The Civil War ended in 1949,more than seven decades ago. Most of those
    who had fought in that war,have passed away.To most of the current
    generation,the Civil War is but an ugly blight in China’s history.

    What can Taiwan gain in a war with China? It is time for a
    reconciliation, to allow the younger generation a peaceful existence,not
    have the specter of war hanging over their heads.

    Eric Blanton
    Is that so? This is not an American war, except in the sense that we
    support those who are being abused by tyrants. If you don’t care about
    your freedom, then you deserve CCP rule. America should not help those
    who will not help themselves. China can be defeated by other means than
    the 1st Island


    a425couple, as you know our ablity to prop up quislings has been, uh,
    lets say 'checkered' . Tawian is an outlaw province of china. It is no
    more an independent nation than the vassel states of Mexico or Canada.

    If we "defend Tawian" it won't be a' draw' like Korea but it will just
    mean we're 0/3.


    Yo! Redvet, are you reading?

    "checkered" ? It has been pretty dismal.

    I like Robert Leckie.
    He was a Marine who then wrote 40 books.
    As he wrote in 1998,

    Why, then, were five Presidents unable to contain
    Communism in Indo-China?
    Probably because of their naïve but mistaken belief that
    democracy can flourish in any soil. In truth, democracy
    -free speech society with truly representative government -
    is a rare bloom, which has seldom blossomed outside Europe
    or the English-speaking countries of the world. To have
    attempted to graft it onto South Vietnam's population of
    peasants, ignoring their psychology, their traditions, their
    rigidly structured society, their indifference to the Western gods
    of Ballot Box and Freedom and their attachment to a charismatic
    leader, be he emperor, king or commissar, was the original and
    major mistake of the war.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Redvet on Tue Nov 2 12:56:30 2021
    XPost: alt.war.vietnam, talk.politics.misc, alt.military

    "Redvet" wrote in message news:0nuong1u01412jepaslnjvkva5h9c1u9t8@4ax.com...

    a425couple, as you know our ablity to prop up quislings has been, uh, lets say 'checkered' . Tawian is an outlaw province of china. It is no more an independent nation than the vassel states of Mexico or Canada.

    If we "defend Tawian" it won't be a' draw' like Korea but it will just
    mean we're 0/3.

    Just the type of thing you'd expect to hear
    from "Redvet", whom we know ALL about: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    BEGIN TEXT

    wrote in message news:10ooad52djv2op5naa6t06tbhejueerrqi@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 05:16:13 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <admin@coldine.edu> wrote:

    Thank you for your service.
    ;-)

    indeed

    redvet
    http://www.vvawai.org/

    No comments from the Peanut Gallery, please: ----------------------------------------------------------
    Beware of VVAW AI

    This notice is to alert you to a handful of individuals calling themselves
    the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War Anti-Imperialist" (VVAW-AI). "VVAW AI"
    is actually the creation of an obscure, ultra-left sect, designed to confuse people in order to associate themselves with VVAW's many years of activism
    and struggle. They are not a faction, caucus or part of VVAW, Inc. and are
    not affiliated with us in any way. We urge all people and organizations to beware of this bogus outfit.


    IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS
    COUNTY DEPARTMENT, LAW DIVISION



    VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR, INC. )
    )
    Plaintiff, )
    )
    v. )
    )
    ROWLAND CORDERO and the VIETNAM VETERANS )
    AGAINST THE WAR, )
    ) No. 79 L 20616
    Defendants. )

    CONSENT JUDGMENT

    Comes now plaintiff, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc. and
    defendants Rowland Cordero, individually and in his capacity as the agent of the Vietnam Veterans Against the war and the Vietnam Veterans Against the
    War and willingly to the rendition and entry of the following judgment.

    Now, therefore, the Court being fully advised in the premises, having
    conferred with the parties hereto and their attorneys herein, having
    reviewed all aspects of this case to date, having reviewed the pleadings and testimony offered by the plaintiff in this cause, does hereby ORDER, ADJUDGE AND DECREE that the following judgment be and the same is hereby rendered
    and entered as the judgment of this Court:

    (1) Whenever identifying itself in any writing or document, or when
    identifying itself orally, the defendants will use one or more of the
    following appellations

    (a) A-I-Vietnam Veterans Against the War;

    (b) Anti-Imperialist-Vietnam Veterans Against the War;

    (c) A-I-VVAW;

    (d) Anti-Imperialist-VVAW;

    (2) The defendants will not use the letters "Inc." when referring to the
    name of their organization;

    (3) The defendants' newspaper, periodicals, letterheads, pamphlets,
    circulars or any other similar literature shall contain the words: "NOT AFFILIATED WITH VIETNAM VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR, INC.,";

    This part of the order and judgment (#3) does not apply to banners, buttons, and clothing;

    (4) Defendants will not use the plaintiff's registered insignia;

    (5) Defendants will not designate their newspaper "The Veteran;"

    (6) Defendants will continue to use in their newspaper type-faces distinct
    from those used by the plaintiff in its newspaper;

    (7) Defendants are to refrain from deliberate efforts to represent their periodicals, writings or products as the periodicals, writing or products of the plaintiff;

    (8) Defendants are to refrain from deliberate efforts to represent any
    event, activity or endorsement as the event, activity or endorsement of the plaintiff.

    (9) Each party shall immediately communicate the contents of this Consent Decree to all their chapters, agents and affiliates throughout the country;

    (10) Each party shall pay its own costs and attorney's fees;

    (11) No damages are awarded.



    (signed)

    ROBIN B. POTTER, Jane H. Bedno,
    on behalf of the plaintiff on behalf of the defendants



    It is so Ordered. Date Entered:

    WARREN D. WOLFSON, Judge April 21, 1980
    Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois

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